Anons, the “Stop Killing Games” European Citizens’ Initiative just smashed 1M signatures and is pushing for 1.4M by July 31 to ensure enough legit EU support :contentReference[oaicite:1]{index=1}.

This isn’t some cringe anti-dev campaign—it’s about **your purchased games surviving server shutdowns** (like The Crew, Anthem) by enabling offline modes or fan-run servers :contentReference[oaicite:2]{index=2}.

We just got a rebuttal from Video Games Europe saying private servers are too expensive and risky—but Ross Scott **absolutely destroyed** that BS in his breakdown video :contentReference[oaicite:3]{index=3}.

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**How you can help:**
1. **EU citizens**: sign the petition (takes 2 min).
2. **Everyone else**: download Scott’s video or key quotes and make memes or image macros mocking VGE’s "prohibitively expensive" excuse.
3. Post these on social platforms—Reddit, Twitter, even 4chan itself.
4. If you rattle off legal facts—like Ubisoft’s EULA possibly being illegal or offline modes already in place—you’ll get upboats.
5. Bonus: translate short memes or taglines into EU languages (IT, ES, FR, DE) and share them in EU subs, forums.

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**Links:**
- Petition (EU citizens only): https://eci.ec.europa.eu/045/public/#/screen/home
- Ross Scott’s rebuttal video (YouTube search: “Stop Killing Games Ross Scott VGE rebuttal”)
- Summary of dev pushback: “prohibitively expensive” etc.

Remember, no raid or brigading. Just **smart awareness & engagement**. Let’s leverage 4chan’s shitposting power to make Brussels actually listen.

For those thinking it would be a monumental task to make games playable offline or self hosted: Not if most the useless garbage is thrown out.

>>714809024 (OP)
>Post on reddit
I hope every live service and GaaS games just shut down for good

>>714810506
Then you should sign the initiative since it has as much chance of happening as iPhones no longer being sold in Europe after the USB-C requirement.

I came to state before you shills start posting that you deserve to be killed and your spinal cords eaten while your corpses are burn to ashes live in a publick square.

>>714809024 (OP)
Ok shill

>>714809774
>We are asking to not have our paid license with no expiration dates revoked
The SKG movement is wrong from its very first principles. Your paid license DOES have an expiration date: whenever the IP owner feels like. You are not entitled to have a working copy of the game.

Do the SKG people have literally any idea on how to do anything they’re wanting? Any actual policy suggestions?
Every time, I just see people going on about how that’s the legislators’ job and it makes this feel unprofessional and like it’s headed by emotional retards with no idea about game dev crying about games that literally no one plays anymore getting EOSed.

>>714811496
>The SKG movement is wrong from its very first principles. Your paid license DOES have an expiration date: whenever the IP owner feels like. You are not entitled to have a working copy of the game.
A bunch of Vogon gobblygook mumbo jumbo that only works in specific law contexts. Changing the law means that bullshit doesn't fly anymore.

>>714811723
We present demands.
It's up to the commission to resolve the issue.
An then for the corpos to kneel.
cry about it

>>714811496
That's an unfair contract by EU standards.

>>714811723
>Expecting citizens to come up with the defined legislation instead of bringing forth the problem.
Do you expect lobby groups to also perfectly define 1:1 the laws they want to pass?

>>714811723
A CI isn't a law. It's really not it's place to claim specific actions.

If the Commission is not gonna listen to the petition, why are the corpos and shills so worried?

>>714811496
I member when the 2013 Simcity released and was always online bullshit and the servers didn't work so no one could play the game they bought. A reviewer who couldn't review the game instead turned the article into a story about how much of a pain in the ass it was to get the piece of shit refunded because EA likes to think their TOS is above the law.

As someone who does a lot of software development and works with server architecture on the regular, let's fucking go. I'm sick of dealing with services and programs that can be switched off without a moment's notice all day only to come home and find the same thing happened to my vidya.

What video games do the anons who don't like SKG play?

>>714812728
Boobs

>>714812886
They don't

I an going to shill my shitty collaborative stub project here.
https://github.com/Wesmania/game-life-report

>>714811496
I'm changing the terms. The expiration date will be never now

>>714811723
ECI's exist to raise problems. Forcing solutions in is overstepping

>>714812289
>>714812508
>>714812608
>>714813464
So no? None of you have any idea how to make it actually work or what laws you actually want and are completely ignorant of how games are developed?

>>714814157
I dunno about games but I know about internal enterprise software for the company I work for, and the only thing I can say to the games industry is "Suck it up, if you can't decouple your game from microservices that would not be required for client side playability, you fucking suck at your job".

don't think i care about a single multiplayer game that has shut down, those i know that have all deserved worse
i can still play dod on whatever blue moon i feel like
sage

>>714814157
I know exactly what I want. I want publishers to stop arbitrarily making games inoperable. I don't care how they do it.
So you have no idea how to decouple your game from it's online requirements and are completely ignorant of how games are developed?

>>714812886
every single game i play is a live service game, or essentially online dependent due to being multiplayer focused. They have no value to me in a context where i could play them alone offline for perpetuity - i wouldn't even want to.
From my perspective, all the best games in the world are GAAS so i don't see an issue with the status quo.

SKG proponents come across as people who lack an appreciation for the transient nature of these experiences. Valuing the end product instead of the journey is a classic mistake.

>>714814157
Yup! I don't need to know how games are developed to know that this bullshit isn't a neccessary part of the development process. Server checkins and sunsetting a game when it doesn't rake it any money anymore is hasn't been a thing for decades, there's no reason why it can't go back to that. And if the industry keeps trying to force that shit down customer's throats, government will have to set down guiderails. Devs brought this upon themselves.

>>714814157
making sure the product the customer purchased works is the publisher's job, not mine

>>714814779
I know it's bait
I still cant stop from laughing my ass off

>>714814779
>They have no value to me
>i wouldn't even want to
That doesn't sound like appreciation to me. Sounds more like you care about being part of the initial hype bandwagon more than enjoying the game itself

>>714814779
Philosophically, that's cool man, but once money starts exchanging hands, there's rules you gotta follow. You know, in order for the basic concept of commerce to function and all that.

>>714809024 (OP)

>>714815049
You purchased a temporary license to use the software
You have never bought a game

>>714814779
That's honestly just cope, anon. You should think about why every AAA publisher in the industry is pushing for this kind of business model. The reason why 'all your favorite games' are GAAS is a calculated move by them to squeeze out the maximum amount of money for the least amount of effort, preying on human psychology and lax laws on it. Name a few of those games, so we can figure out if the GAAS elements are even neccessary for them or if selling it for a onetime fee and optional DLC packs later would work just as well instead of nickel and diming you the whole way through.

>>714815352
You know that the EU already disagrees with that assessment as it stands, right? Right?

>>714809024 (OP)
Ross is cucking. Basically saying we got the message out that's good enough ect.

>>714815352
But not anymore

>>714812289
>i'm le tired and shouldn't be doing this man

>>714815338
CORRECTION
Faroe Islands shouldn't be coloured. they belong to denmark but faroe islands themselves don't belong to EU and can't sign

>>714814157
So when was the last time you submitted actual legislation to your government? This is how the ECI process works

I really cant understand why are people posting about it on mostly american imageboard

go to some spanish gamer activist forum, no matter how many times americans see the message it doesnt matter

>>714815838
>mostly american imageboard
lol!

>>714815352
we 'bout to get those semitic "user agreements" kicked out of our solar system.
you better believe it

>>714814157
So what you're proposing is the European CITIZENS initiative becomes something that an average citizen can't participate in?
I thought Americans were all about the will of the people being represented in government

>>714816142
>European citizens can participate in actually understanding and voicing what they want done

>>714811723
Forcing developers to make games in a certain way is not the goal of SKG, retarded faggot.

>>714815360
Some of them are mmos so that would be difficult as they are the original GAAS. The infrastructure and content pipeline required kind of oblige them to operate on that model.

I play a few fighting games and though they tend to be fairly small in scope, most modern ones would technically qualify as GAAS too. In fact you'd probably find most players today prefer the dlc/battle pass model over how it used to be in the past, where you'd periodically have to buy entirely new editions of the game to be caught up on updates.

>>714815723

>>714811496
>something unlawful is lawful because the EULA says so
You would defend the divine right of kings.

>>714816776
Fighting game players also like buying microtransaction costumes

There are ZERO good games with always online bullshit.

Don't buy those games, problem solved. Didnt need the EU for that

>>714812728
You know you hit them where it hurts since they wouldn't run such a desperate effort to undermine it otherwise.

>>714809024 (OP)
>EU petition needs boost. EU citizens: please sign

another image md5 being added to my filter!

>>714817175
Thanks for letting me know.

not my problem

>>714816669
>yeah bro you can make your voice heard, just get a law degree and spend 5 years interning at a dev studio
Fuck off

>>714814157
>burger gets a whiff of real democracy
>shits and pisses himself in seething rage
Truly amazing.

>>714816862
good shit

>>714817162
The oil eventually clogs your own pipes and more downstream like they're arteries. It very much becomes your problem. I don't care about the metaphor.

>>714817102
>There are ZERO good games with always online bullshit.
Good. We can knock this thing out before it becomes a problem then

>>714817462
Yeah, but the point you're completely missing illustrated here is "It doesn't affect JUST me. It's now EVERYONES problem meaning someone else will fix it."

I'm not defending it, but this is pure Murrica mentality. "Not my problem now, won't be my problem later on down the line"

>>714817402
Democracy is retarded because most people are uneducated uninformed emotional retards.

>>714817102
See this is what i've been wondering about. What are some examples of games that are simultaneously gaas/always online/whatever and also valuable enough as experiences to be preserved?

There's no shortage of high quality single player offline games that people here love to constantly suck off. Games like that have never been a liability so they're not even in the equation at all. Then you have gaas shit like gacha games or yearly release sloppa like sports games and cod that most people rightfully turn their noses up at - what do you care if shit like that disappears?
The slice of games that lie outside both of these categories has got to be really tiny, so tiny that it makes the commotion over this movement seem kinda overblown and hysterical.

>>714816776
You are just exposing how deeply brainwashed you already are by those business practices. You might not care for MMOs after the content patches dry up, and yet there's dozens of 'dead' mmos in maintainance mode that still have a couple hundred players happily chugging along. The server costs for that are minimal and usually are run by smaller publishers, it's a well worn business model. Also, the existence of classic servers and prestige servers should tell you that there's a demand from people to go through the old content again. It's a fake problem with an already existing solution. And if you only care about the endless treadmill of new stuff being added, you are not forced to keep playing, so frankly, what would you care? You can move on to something else at any point.
>In fact you'd probably find most players today prefer the dlc/battle pass model over how it used to be in the past, where you'd periodically have to buy entirely new editions of the game to be caught up on updates.
That's a pretty brave assumption you make there. It's not like 'we' have much of a choice there, do we? They didn't introduce that shit because it was something players 'like' or 'prefer', they know from Gacha shit that they can manipulate the human psyche with it to try and turn their game into a 'forever game'. You will find that there are MANY players who hate the battlepass business model and get really sick of having to do their dailies so they don't fall behind on progress, and once they have one or two games that require that shit, they won't pick up another one, as evident by the MANY liveservice games falling flat on their faces the past few years.
>>714817098
Do they LIKE buying costumes or do they LIKE new costumes? You think they'd be upset if they could unlock costumes instead of buying them, the way it used to be?

>>714817630
I always thought what was illustrated there was "I hate landlords".

>>714817630
But nobody will fix the clogged pipes between your drain and the connection to the main unless you do it or pay someone to, and those are the most likely to be affected first. I get what it's getting at but unless a severe incompetent lack of cause and effect is part of the joke it doesn't quite fit. I could believe that's part of it though.

>>714817906
What's your alternative?

>>714811496
Expiration dates are a requirement if there is one. Your milk cant be like "expiring when we feel like it!"

>>714817047
Why would you sign a legal contract that you disagree with it? No one is forcing you to do this.

>>714817102
The Crew. Give me a single argument against it other than Ubisoft

>>714809024 (OP)
>>714818518
>all this effort for fucking The Crew or Anthem

Ross is a moron, this initiative should have be proposed when a valuable game was in danger of being lost. EU legislators will ask for REAL examples of this happening and you have no good examples to make a compelling case for legislation, no one likes to make laws for imaginary scenarios

>>714814779
There's some truth in this bait.
Some online games need a playerbase to be enjoyed. You can solo dead MMOs, but there's not much point in playing hero shooters alone with no bot support (on the other hand, there are plenty of bots to make for dwindling playerbase, you just don't have control over them). And good luck finding 10 people to play with.

>>714818240
Absolute monarchy with me on top.

>>714815352
No such thing as a temporary license queer. Money is exchanged, I now own my Steam games queer.

>>714818586
That's retarded. The principle is what's in question here. And the EU gobbles that shit up, they love making laws for imaginary scenarios.

>>714818586
>all this effort
It's not your effort. Why do you care?
All this effort to shitpost anonymously. You should be ashamed

>>714818618
Seems shortsighted. You probably don't have more than like 30 years in you, what then?>>714818601

>>714818586
>will ask for REAL examples
Why aren't these real examples? Because a guy on /v/ said these games aren't worth it? What kind of idiotic delusions do you live with to make stupid posts like this?

Why 1.4 million?
Hundreds of thousands of votes might be fake

>>714818854
So the 1 mil petitions are The Crew players? Have this ever been a real problem in their lives or they are just bandwagon mindless NPCs that youtuber told them to vote?

>>714818825
>what then?
I’ve got 40 or 50 left in me and it’s not my problem anymore after those are up

>>714818586
If the game took my money, it has value. Thats all the EU will care about.

>>714818586
>REAL examples
Like I said, no argument. The Crew is a good game confirmed. Thank you for playing

>>714818430
Didn't sign anything faggot, try again

>>714819070
Who knows. Not your problem

>>714819068
Just to have a goal. If 1.4m is reached they'll just set an new target I'm sure.

>>714819070
Are you just fishing for replies or are you actually this stupid? I geniunely don't know at this point.

>>714818586
Why wouldn't I want to save anthem? The iron man flight was cool for a little bit

>>714819156
The Crew players deserve it for being morons. Kill all Ubisoft games

if you care so much about the crew just buy the rights to it

oh, you don't actually care that much? no money in it? imagine my surprise

>>714819070
>flint in the water? Not my problem!

>>714814157
I don't care about knowing how to make it work, you figure it out.

>>714819070
Why don't you just be retarded on twitter? They literally pay you for having retarded opinions like this why do it for free here?

>>714819428
>dishonest comparison? Not my problem!

>>714814157
It's not the purpose of the eci or us to solve the (self-made) problems of scummy corps. But here's a really easy one anyway: if a game is a 'service' the creator could simply define the actual nature of it, i.e clearly state you aren't 'buying' an item and clearly state when the service will end. When you sign up to Netflix they tell you exactly how long it lasts (a month per payment). Do the same for shitty gaas. Easy.

>>714809774
>behavior monitoring
>companies NEED to verify you arent saying nono words until the end of time if they make an online game
SKG movement is no different from the LGBT movement, equally retarded and wont stop spamming about it

>>714819338
So I just demonstrated le killing games is a fake problem and that the industry already moved away from this with Ubisoft being the weird dude still clinging to it. Go outside and get real problems. I accept your concession.

What is it about vidya having shit ton of mindless cattle? Music, tv, film, even programming doesn't have nearly the same amount of mindless cattle that slurp up company lies.

>>714819463
>you figure it out
all games now come with a disclaimer saying you aren’t guaranteed access forever

>>714818586
>games are being destroyed, sir.
>but are they LE GOOD!?
holy shit, kill yourself, in what fucking universe would that be a boomer politician response.

>>714819070

mindless NPCs

>>714819594
You fucking retard, the slide is showing shit that isn't required for community hosting.

>>714819685
Retard

>>714818162
their problem, not mine.

>>714819625
They already do. You have to do better than that

Reminder that the real issue is you can get banned from any game for any reason = money stolen.
No one cares about some dead game EOL.
But getting banned from active game is the real violation of consumer right.

I'll laugh when SKG gets folded like the trash it is, you summerchildren are beyond stupid, just make sure to sperg out as loud as possible when it happens so I get some entertainment.

>>714819720
Nigger.

>>714819736
Consider the following:
>Say nigger
>Money stolen
>Game service ends
>Go onto community server
>Money restored

WE HAVE TO SAVE THE VIDEO GAMES /V/ROS

>>714819606
>So I just demonstrated
That you're a fucking nigger, that's it. Purposefully trying to be stupid isn't going to fix shit.

>>714819736
this whole thing started because people saw The Crew, a game they hadn’t thought of in a decade if ever with like 10 players daily, being EOL

>>714819736
That can happen to you outside of games too. Tons of horror stories of people getting gmail accounts banned losing access to files and anything with dependencies on those accounts and then having to navigate an incredibly byzantine process just to get a human to look at it.

>>714809024 (OP)
the more corporations kvetch, the more they are likely to cause collateral damage on other money-grubbing schemes. It'd be hilarious to see adobe being forced to neuter their bridge shit.

NOOOOOOOOOOO BUT SOMEONE THINK OF THE CREW 1 THIS IS A CRIME TO HUMANITY

>they killed anthem off just after SKG hit 1 mil signatures

>>714820124
Nigger.

Kill yourself, subhuman /pol/skin.

>>714820163
Either be smart, cheat or be first. Now I don't cheat and while there are plenty of smart people it is a hell of a lot easier to be first.

>B-b-but we saved video games didn't we guys? I told everyone about the bad streamer, didn't it w-work?

>>714811496
>Borrow Harry Potter book from the library
>Date of return: my mood
>Get banned from the library the very next hour because late return

>>714819848
Consider the following
>Game comes out
>Completely unplayable with barebones content
>Devs abandon game
>Money stolen
>Modders fix all the bugs and flesh the game out
>Money returned

For what purpose would there be to discourage me from supporting SKG?

>>714820570
Ubisoft hires jeet slaves to push whatever narrative they want.
Even the moldman himself notices it kek

>>714819514
Its actually a literal comparison, but i know english is hard in india when its between rape and street shit class

>>714814157
>are completely ignorant of how games are developed?
Why don't you tell us about your experiences when you were the leading game dev at Blizzard.

heckin love asmengeld man he speaks truth to power

>>714820836
who?

>>714820570
Demoralised crab in a bucket mentality, shitposting/trolling/sharty or discord troons tourists, corpo shills.

>>714819606
If it's not a problem then the initiative can't do any harm

>>714820004
The Crew had a perfectly serviceable single player mode that was functional offline before release

>>714820895

the assmongler? dude you dont know him? hes like famous

Bumping

subhumans

>>714821191
No, I am not pathetic like you to the point of being terminally online and knowing the name of someone who is irrelevant to me.

>>714821002
if the biggest problem in your life is a 10 year old video game being sunset then you've never lived away from your parents.

>>714821491

ok bro? who do u worship instead?

>>714821582
Who said it's my biggest problem? My parents used to use that argument and it's fucking stupid. I can't think about more than one thing at a time?
How do you even operate in society with that kind of tunnel vision?

>>714821671
Vidya butts

>>714819094
Only if you really turn your life around, honestly. And the high stress job of world leader is probably not conductive of a long life, including the assassination attempts that are bound to be a constant.

>>714820430
Consider the following
>Game comes out
>Completely unplayable with barebones content
>Devs abandon game
>Request Steam refund
>Money returned

>>714821772
I don't know, how do you?

>>714821803
base

How many fake signatures have you done, /v/? I think I have 50 per day so far. Any tips to make it faster?

>>714822348
try asking >>>/lgbt/

Other than being a paid shill or desperate for (you)s, there’s no reason to be “anti-SKG”.

>It’s unreasonable for multibillion dollar companies to comply with this!
>Think of the indie devs!
Not my problem.

>why do you care about slop games so much???
If I bought Concord I should be able to play Concord. Simple.

>but the EULA says-
lol I don’t give a shit

>the government is going to start regulating games bro! 1984!
Yeah I bet they will.

>>714822348
Yes, it's called "suicide". Pick up a rope, wrap it in the ceiling, put a chair below you, climb it, wrap the noose around your neck, kick the chair and wait for you to die.

>>714822442
I can see you're the expert at that

We could've saved the day before.....

>>714822571
At asking questions?

>>714821491
Kind of ironic because i don't know who this 'ross' guy is. They are as literally who to me as, say, any random streamer or vtuber would come across to you. It's kind of presumptuous seeing him mentioned on a first name basis like i'm supposed to. Like, what makes this person qualified to be a figurehead for a movement with such wide reaching implications?

Threads on autosage, time to pack it up

>>714822545
There are plenty of reasons

>The ask is retarded
>Ross Scott is retarded
>Supporters are retarded
>"Bro you just don't understand it"/"It's misinformation"
>Your retarded

>>714822570
Voted another one for you, lets do this /skg/!

>>714822734
test

>>714822021
Why bother with stop killing games when you can just request a refund these days?

>>714824317
Quite a flipcoin whether a refund is granted or not.