Is this game as good as the first one?

>>714810174 (OP)
yeah

besides the terrible last boss yes

>>714810174 (OP)
the first one was good? i thought it sucked

>>714810503
fag

Better in every way but still woke slop
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>>714810556
i remember "hard mode" bosses shitting out minions, that rubbed me the wrong way

>>714810573
>still woke slop
>still
Was 1 woke? I don't even remember it having characters

>>714810573
Yeah, sadly there's some characters which are pretty bad. Everything else I can think of is an improvement, though.
>>714810698
Understandable, while it was challenging solo at times, I didn't quite like that either. The second one rarely has bosses summon adds, you might like it better.

I liked the first one. Perfectly paced, good gunplay, challenging bosses, didn't overstay its welcome. Only played a couple of hours of the second one, but it seems like it's more of the same.

how is the optimization now? i remember it being bad when it launched

>>714810174 (OP)
2 is a complete upgrade compared to 1
Other tranon is right, doughbeit, in that the final boss is fucking horrible. Other than that, a solid 8/10 game and it gets better with friends.

>>714810705
Yes you can tell by the character creator alone it's woke slop. 0 long hair options 0 attractive faces. Every character is brown or female, except people you kill of course.

>>714811287
>faggot wants to play as a girl
lmaoooooo

>>714810705
Neither of them are woke. It's retards latching onto an irrelevant black woman existing and making a cynical joke about something being unrealistic.

>>714811528
Right I think I vaguely remember all of /v/ being filtered by the game because of that within the first 10 minutes

>>714811337
>i can't believe you like women, what a fag you should be like me who only likes men. That's the straight thing to do. IF YOU DON'T LIKE MEN YOU'RE GAY

What do you retards mean by this. Seethe more the game is woke dei slop made by fat bitches projecting their ugliness onto every character the same way you're projecting your homosexual tendencies onto this thread.

>>714810698
Without the minions, the bosses would be too easy (the AI isn't that good). At first I didn't like them either, but I grew to enjoy the tension they added to the combat.

>>714811730
Cool story, keep playing with dolls fag

>>714811806
Who mentioned anything about playing with dolls? There you go projecting again. This cope from you is absurd. Pride month may be over but there's still plenty of fags like you in >>/lgbt/

Does anybody know if 2 keeps the scaling system from the first? The way it worked was that each new zone you enter gets scaled up so if you spent all your upgrade materials in one zone, you'd kinda be boned for the next. I had to always make sure that my gear rating or whatever it was called was appropriate for the zone but not higher than that

>>714811594
As someone who's sank numerous hours in I'm still saying it's woke dei trash. The core gameplay loop is more fun than the games preachy bullshit and obvious leftist agenda pushing is bad though.

>>714811992
>Who mentioned anything about playing with dolls?
I did, because that's what you're doing
Keep playing as a girl, fag. Makes me no nevermind
Remember to get in one last seething reply to show how totally secure you are in your pretend heterosexuality

>>714811594
In the tutorial you tag along with a woman I can't remember the name of who later becomes a completely irrelevant shopkeeper and at some point she's talking about rumours of Ford running a safe haven, specifically in the context of the Root having overtaken earth almost entirely. She says something to the extent of "an old white dude running a sanctuary with plenty of supplies? Next you'll tell me Santa Claus is real"
There's obviously some level of corporate influence consider that bewildering tutorial exists, but if that's all it took to be woke then there would be zero non-indie games that aren't.

>>714812194
>i..i...i..I'm not g..gay you are!!!

What makes closeted homos act like this?

>>714810369
Fuck you, the last boss is the best boss.

>>714810174 (OP)
Better than the first, yeah.

>>714811287
>Yes you can tell by the character creator alone it's woke slop. 0 long hair options 0 attractive faces. Every character is brown or female, except people you kill of course.
AGP troon moment

>>714814969
Definitely. One of the better examples of how you should do final bosses even, though they could have made it a bit clearer that it was supposed to be Clawbone.

>>714811730
>>714811992
>>714812318
Egg

>>714816832
>>714817116
>I'm done here being retarded and wrong is hard
>*comes back an hour later*

I'm not your dad nigga go get your attention from someone else.

Played through the entire campaign (+story DLC) co-op with 2 buddies.

After clearing the full game I still hadn't found a sniper rifle other than the one I had started the game with. I played through the entire game with the same weapon because there was no other one.

We threw it in the trash straight after. Unbelievable.

>>714817912
>sniperfag
noooooo muh hecking epic cowwadoody

>>714810174 (OP)
It's literally the first game but better. The only thing that's worse is the DLC, but not because of the content provided but because all three DLCs are expansions of existing worlds rather than new ones like R1 had.

>>714812070
Scaling in the second is applied when you enter an area based on your current gear score. It levels around you, not the other way around

>>714817912
The starting guns are actually extremely solid.

>>714817912
There are four bows in the game. Use them. Faggot. I recommend Crescent Moon, or Genesis if you have the N'Erud DLC. That's your big damage number weapon type.

>>714818594
That's literally how the first worked you bozo, that's why using all your upgrades before the next zone means you get fucked

>>714817912
>I'm retarded, therefore game bad
And this is how you know it's a good game.

>>714810174 (OP)
I never played the first one, but I thought this one was just OK. Not really spectacular but it was fun. The first world and the last world were the best. Cancer had surprisingly great music

I liked the first one. It felt like I was making progress. Second one is confusing and feels like a horde mode and meant to be played co-op.

>black woman bossing you around in the prologue
>became a merchant and pretty much disappeared for the rest of the game
kek why did they even bother with the prologue
>>714810369
>terrible last boss
you're talking about the first game right

>>714822625
>kek why did they even bother with the prologue
Given how she effectively is killed off immediately and nothing after is like that, it was probably the devs appeasing the publisher to get them off their back.

Overall I preferred 1 but 2 was still really good. N'Erud was top tier.

>>714822805
She's still alive, she's a merchant in the town and still as obnoxious as always.
But yeah it felt like the devs were trying to say something to the people "up there"
There's also the black guy - asian girl pair that helps you, but then for the rest of the game they got separated and only the asian girl is relevant to the plot.

>>714810503
Had the same thoughts, was pleasantly surprised that I should just try games on my own if I don't wanna miss gems like that one.

>>714823006
I know, I said "effectively" as is she basically goes away and becomes a non-entity.

>>714818880
I used Challenger’s starting shotgun through the whole game and loved it

>>714811230
a lot better now, but still kinda shitty.

>>714819160
I got the bow from the fairy palace area and it pretty much carried me through the whole main game. Only at the DLC I found the laser bow and finally replaced it.
Bows are so fucking good in this game.

>>714810174 (OP)
No

I wish they'd just port everything from the first game into the second. I want to go to Rhom and Corsus again with my new toys and abilities.
>Yaesha was the worst world in 1
>that's the one they bring back for 2
Gay.

>>714817912
>the devs put an item that you can only see by datamining the game
kinda funny ngl

>>714810174 (OP)
This game is gay as fuck compared to the first. Good luck finding anything, every item is locked behind some "secret" shit you have to spend half a day figuring out. Navigation is also a fucking chore. While the first game had a couple optional areas or out of the way places to explore, everything in Remnant 2 is so fucking spread out and impossible to navigate. This game is inferior to the first in every possible way

game mechanics and itemization is perfect for it to have a roguelite horde mode for infinite replayability......
they never release it...

>>714822437
>Cancer had surprisingly great music
That's cause he is either a reference to or inuniverse alternative version of the final boss from the DLC of the first game. His theme was the best in 1 as well.

>>714810174 (OP)
It's pretty much better in every way except for a few things (keep in mind I just played the game near launch so some of this stuff may have been patched).
1. There' way more pieces of equipment to pick up but also a lot of it feels nearly useless and there's a few overpowered items that you'll equip with most builds. Meanwhile I felt like most of the equipment in Remnant 1 had at least some use, even if it was niche.
2. The game is really stingy with upgrade resources so you ended up getting stuck with the same one or two weapons for most of the first playthrough.
3. Devs went overboard with the secrets and I'd say a good 25% of the stuff in the game falls into the "look it up on the internet or you'll never find it" category.
4. The game still uses the same retarded scaling system as the first one but it's actually even a bit worse now since the classes which level up automatically also contribute to it.

I liked the non-conventional arms builds in 2 more especially after the DLC helped buff them up. Going full lighting wizard, heavy weapons guy, and melee was pretty fun.

2 is better in every way but I fucking hate the "replay the game to do the other story paths". I really wish they just made the campaign longer and put it all in one playthrough.

>>714810174 (OP)
I adored it. Really solid game with lots of fun builds and the gameplay loop was enjoyable. The DLCes were solid too. I cant really think of anything it didn't do better than the first game.

Really wish more games were like it actually. A lot of the time I played it I couldnt help but wish Secret World had had better gameplay like this to make it less of a slog.

>remember the final boss of Legend of Grimrock? Let's do that and give it a kickass theme song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XPpPW7ps-Q

>>714824000
>2. The game is really stingy with upgrade resources so you ended up getting stuck with the same one or two weapons for most of the first playthrough.
Early into the game this is still true, but later you get showered by upgrades.
Ideally you choose one weapon from starting area to be your main for a while, and if you get something new that you're interested in at least you should wait at least until the third area before seriously upgrading it.
That or just do the adventure mode to gather materials (and also do alternate paths)

>>714812070
Yeah, but its pretty irrelevant unless you are going for that clear on highest difficulty without dying achievement. Thats the only time I ever bothered with it.

>>714824358
>cant really think of anything it didn't do better than the first game.
The level design, area variety and voice acting is pretty much the only things I can think of. 1 had more area types and the areas themselves had more traversal options, for example compare Root Earth to the first level of one with all the apartment buildings. And the player voice is way worse in 2. I can still remember the call outs from the first game.

I like both Remnants but I hate the utter bullshit scaling.
It feels like upgrading everything is a trap and you just become weaker and weaker.
There was never a moment where I would feel far stronger than before upgrades, blasting through enemies and bosses, as they just scaled with me. IIRC, bosses such as picrel took anywhere between 20 to 30 fucking minutes with an optimized character. Everything becomes way too spongey. The bosses can almost 1 shot you and your bullets barely tickle them, the fights become war of attrition, a test of your patience and dodging skills.
I played both games on hardcore, and every single death I ever experienced was because of bugs and jank, I remember listing everything in a ranty steam review.

But damn, do they feel good to play, especially 2. The sense of discovery is incredible, every new weapon, skill and piece of equipment you find are a treat and there's tons of secrets and alternate ways to do bosses and puzzles for different rewards.

the biggest problem with 2 is that they basically ruined the entire new game+ system that the first game had by trying to force limited skillpoint builds instead of constant progression. the class system is also awful but just playing through the base game to the end is still good

>>714810174 (OP)
I thought the first game was remarkably mundane and remember nothing about it despite beating it, but people seem to like the sequel a lot more. Maybe I'll also give it a try.

>>714825569
The scaling is shit, but not because it's unbalanced. It is terrible because it doesn't really do anything, whether you're at 1 or 20 the game feels about the same. Honestly I think weapon upgrade systems like this one and Dark Souls are just poorly designed, they don't add anything of value unlike the other aspects of character building.
Also that guy shouldn't have been spongey.

>>714825754
oh yeah I also forgot, the "secrets" in 2 are a lot more bullshit than in 1. they basically tried to be cheeky and often made things too completely or too hidden. you'll likely need the wiki 3-4x as much in 2 than 1 if you're trying to collect everything

>>714825810
>It is terrible because it doesn't really do anything
It actually does do something, which is making every gun besides the one you're upgrading weaker. The only reason the weapon upgrades are a thing is that they needed something to fill the levels with for you to pick up.

>>714825810
Could be multiplayer scaling too, I fought the boss on multiple occasions, and even with 3 people, it took ~15 minutes.

>>714825940
fuck, too complicated*
like that fucking "puzzle" with the 4 doors and dangly thing from the ceiling you had to move with buttons. it wasn't super hard but so fucking tedious

>>714810174 (OP)
no

but its okay. worst crime is running 100x worse despite only looking like 10% better

>>714824414
Currently playing through 2 now, this song combined with the sound of the blocks moving made it more intense than it had any right to be.

>>714824414
This fight in co-op is just a comedy show

I remember having a pretty much maxed out character and was hit with the skill point bug and I reset them to try and fix it and they made a post to not reset the skill points like an hour later. I haven't played since then because essentially 50 hours of game play went down the drain. I even got that one class that required a bunch of bull shit to figure out.

2 is really really good. The bosses all feel much more unique and don't just spam ads at you the whole game. Weapon variety is great and the world design in the Fey Kingdom/Yarnham is awesome and most of the non-overworld parts of the Space land and the Aztec Jungle world are good too (but the overworld for both is kind of lame).
Classes feel nice to mix and match and the grind isn't that bad.
The woke/dei garbage is gone after the first hour of the game. It starts off looking that way and then completely ignores everything that it sets up in the first tutorial area. I genuinely don't understand how >>714812170 can sink almost 100 hours into the game and believe that anything after the tutorial is woke.

It's minor but I really like the exploration and how it rewards that. It's rare to have good secrets in something that is procedurally generated but it almost always felt organic and satisfying to find.

My only major complaints is that the upgrade system is annoying and requires a lot of grinding to build a new weapon up to what you were probably already using; and especially the abnormal red-glowing enemies or whatever that only show up rarely and you need to farm to get modified/unique weapons.
Also, as I mentioned, the overworld sections in 2 of the 3 biomes are kind of lame.

>>714826007
I was talking about the scaling. As in the bosses don't get spongier as you upgrade, so long as you're roughly the same level as each other it'll feel about the same. I don't like the system personally and I wish games dropped the idea entirely because it adds nothing of note, but people used to always claim that upgrading makes the enemies OP while your damage/survivability plateaus which isn't true.

>>714826036
It could be that he felt spongey because his moveset has a bunch of phases and he backs away from the platform often, but I don't see how his health bar itself would feel massive. Unless he's your first major boss at least, but you described it like he was much later in your run.

You'll unlock maybe 1 class in 50 hours if you don't look up things on the wiki, there are absolute batshit insane unlock methods for most of them, like walking through the right area of poison gas on the map barrier with no visual indicators or in-game hints, and picking up an item half a second before the gas kills you.

>>714829672
The starter classes aren't that bad since its mostly just buying the engrams from the vendors around town and there is one you get by just beating the game but yeah some of them are just layered in WTF. Like you have the simple ones like GS and summoner but then you have shit like invader and engineer and then the one people had to datamine to figure out(which did seem intended) archon. Some of them at least you just need to explore good but alchemist and invoker necessitating death is just silly

>>714810174 (OP)
Yea, last boss is fucking awful, but the game is about replaying everything before that, not just rushing to the credits. There is a lot of really obtuse secrets which I actually appreciate, theres whole classes that are hidden and you wont see everything on one run of a any map. Good AA game, we need more games in this bracket.

Has surprisingly good boss music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=it0Rqg6gwKc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XPpPW7ps-Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZJdyaHeXzE

>>714829672
>>714831425
There's different tiers of secrets
Some of the secrets are "wait a minute, that card..." level and some are intended to be super obscure or not unlocked without multiple runs, but the ones like Archon and the glitchy gun in the interim area are not solvable at all without data mining. Engineer was likely intended as a "NG+" class you find with Explorer, and Invoker could I guess be noticed by the weird patches of sand and your character sinking a little eventually while you were trying stuff (though I would never have found it).

enjoyed remnant 1 and got nearly all the items and eventually just started playing that mode where you start from nothing and work your way up but I always waited for randoms to join (no irl friends play). That was maybe 3-4 months ago and the wait times for that mode became too much because no one was playing. Seems like people like 2 so maybe if it goes on sale ill pick it up

>>714810369
He's easy if you turn the music off. All the attacks have very obvious audio ques.

>>714810174 (OP)
Great games with cool exploration. I also actually enjoyed their very the Dark Tower-ish worldbuilding and am thinking I'll pick up the fantasy prequel due to this:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/967390/Chronos_Before_the_Ashes/

>>714810174 (OP)
My only issue with this game is how esoteric they made most the classes. I don't like to look up guides in soulslikes, but here its mandatory.

>>714810369
>hating Annihilation

>>714810174 (OP)
I didn't like one but I liked this one.

Something about 2 was just off. The first one I actually played enough to platinum and then 2 was just shit and played it only for a couple hours and had no urge to keep playing

>>714832710
It isn't just audio cues. Everything he does is telegraphed, that's the gimmick of the third phase. You get two phases to learn all of his attacks and combos, then the final phase has you rapidly switching back and forth between them.
>"boss 1" attacks for a bit and then freezes mid attack combo
>the game then immediately switches you over to the other boss arena
>"boss 2" will then also attack for a bit before also freezing mid combo
>next it'll shift you back to the original "boss 1" fight and resume that same exact combo it ended on before
>he freezes mid combo again, then it switches to "boss 2"
And so on. It's one of the coolest boss gimmicks I've ever seen, you're basically fighting two different bosses in tandem.

I think with all the stuff they added apoc hardcore isn't that bad anymore but I doubt I'd do it still. Beat apoc a few times but never deathless despite having most of my gear already