Phil Spencer lied about Game Pass being profitable. They don't count first party studio cost and sales loss into Game Pass financial reports https://gamingbolt.com/game-pass-is-profitable-because-microsoft-doesnt-count-costs-for-first-party-games-on-the-service

>>714841231 (OP)
Honestly not surprising at all. Microsoft’s been cooking the books on Game Pass since day one. You think putting Starfield and Redfall on there day one didn’t come at a massive loss? They just shovel their big exclusives into the service to inflate numbers and act like it’s sustainable. Of course it “looks” profitable if you pretend half the costs don’t exist. It’s a short-term growth play to push subs and please investors, not a long-term business model. Phil’s just the friendly face of corporate spin.

>>714841231 (OP)
I’m not surprised. Game pass is for AAAs that have been out for a while, some day one AAs, and anything that’s projected to flop. You could argue the latter is the case with most because quality has been down, but they really have been throwing a lot at it. Probably hoping to get enough long term subscribers that they don’t need sales. If there’s more than one game that you would buy over three months, they’re coming out behind.

when all the game pass games have died its clear proof that it doesn't work

>>714841231 (OP)
Where's that shill saying that Game Pass is profitable and has a future at?

>>714841231 (OP)
In a world where they're selling their games on Steam, Playstation, and Switch(2) where possible that makes a degree of sense. Game Pass is the Xbox and Windows Store exclusive to drive business, especially with the pajeet's obsession with subscription services.

>>714841231 (OP)
Wow, sweet summer child, do you think youtube and netflix is profitable?

https://www.videogamer.com/news/ex-playstation-boss-reveals-aaa-publishers-arent-signing-as-many-games-as-the-jump-from-ps4-to-ps5-doubled-the-price-of-development-for-very-little-improvement/
In other news, PlayStation's also fucked

>>714841231 (OP)
fake it till you make it
these days you usually fall upwards in these kind of corporations anyway

>>714844135
Only the ones with an established foothold do. Half hearted attempts at breaking into a market like xbox is doing always ends in the company giving up eventually as they only know how to milk a monopoly position not win people over honestly.

No fucking shit. It's profitable for devs and publishers because Microsoft already foots the bill for the cost of development, like what EGS does, but it's even worse for MS financially because game pass only costs 15 dollars for a choice of any game you want per month. Basically you are paying for AA or AAA game with steam indie game prices, most games nowadays can be beaten in a week so that lessens the pass' value even more for MS. If it wasn't profitable for EGS who basically bribed companies to be on their store, it's more so for MS when they're practically giving away games for pennies.

>>714841231 (OP)
If you are big phil what do you even do at this point? You can't just rugpull gamepass at this point and your retard boss is demanding billions of dollars immediately for more AI trash. Any long term plans you had to save xbox are gone.

>>714845882
Just curl up and give up. Xbox hasn't won anything since the 360. Them fucking up their first party games was their first mistake as well as buying up all these studios and doing jack shit with them.

>>714845882
They need to do what they did with the 360. Make a new console and release it a year before the ps6 and sell it at a loss. Microsoft is already losing tons of money. May as well lose it on the console instead of the games because at least it gets your product in people's houses. That year advantage over Sony helped a ton

>>714841231 (OP)
The goal isn't making money. The goal is pushing the idea that you don't need to own things. You will rent everything forever.

>>714841231 (OP)
DID ANYONE THINK IT WAS?!?!?!

>>714848653
blockbuster and gamefly did...

>>714848158
All they had to do was make cod exclusive but they have a ten year deal.

>>714841231 (OP)
So it's ""profitable"" if we ignore all the costs involved?

>>714841231 (OP)
do none of you schizos retards realize it's "op-in" if it were "bad for games" companies like Sega and Capcom wouldn't repeatedly go back for more deals

>>714848158
every major console already sells at a loss you autistic fuck

>>714842912
>In a world where they're selling their games on Steam, Playstation, and Switch(2) where possible that makes a degree of sense
this. if subbing to gamepass were literally the only way to play the games then it'd be dishonest. it's not like making a movie for a streaming service and missing out on ticket sales. they're still getting money from people buying the games

>>714841231 (OP)
When will they axe it?

>>714854898
Probably sometime in 2028 or 2029 if things don't go well for next gen.

>>714852527
for MS, whatever contract Sega is getting off MS for putting a game on gamepass isn't impacting their Sony sales.

>if you don't count the main attraction of game pass, it's profitable
You can do that?

>>714841231 (OP)
Reminder Chris Snoy is a chronic liar and a faggot. He lied again, got caught, and backpedaled.

>>714852527
This is the last year for those deals going by a credible leaker, GPfag. It's over

>>714852527
You mean like how they wouldn't put games exclusively on the Epic store if it was a black hole that nobody uses?

>>714857638
You never explained why Microsoft are now only focusing on AAA known franchises and are done with new IPs, smaller titles, and reboots? Why did the in-house handheld get canned? Why is the Xbox OS getting gutted for Windows? Stop shilling and give us answers.

>>714857638
Yeah, you just have to look at Microsoft to understand that they are a shining beacon of success.
Oh, wait. You're a retarded fanboy.

>>714857991
Don't care, I'm just pointing out that you shouldn't trust this retard when you see his shit posted here, like the OP did.

>>714852527
>"op-in"

>>714858178
>Gamepass isn't profitable!!!
>Journos parrot it and write articles spreading the "news"
>Oh wait actually I lied sorry teehee
>Journos don't do anything and the damage is done
Every single fucking time. Fuck off with this retard.

>>714858181
If Game Pass is such a success why does Microsoft need port their games to PlayStation, Switch, and Steam?

>>714858264
He didn't say that he lied, he said that somebody from Microsoft told him. If you weren't a retarded fanboy you'd realize that Microsoft is slightly biased and has a history of talking shit.

>>714858470
Don't forget that Phil, Matt, and Sarah come to these studios to give them the kiss of death before canning them a month or two later. I hate Xbots and Snoys so much. Xbox and PlayStation are both dying right in front of us and all they can still do is shill, fuck them.

>>714858470
>biased and has a history of talking shit.
Exactly like Christopher Dring then.

>>714842795
Sorry, I made the mistake of believing Microsoft wouldn't lie so blatantly. Won't happen again.

Gamepass still confuses me, you lose the full sales.

you can't believe a single word anyone at ms says, i thought this was known?

>>714841231 (OP)
Profitable for Microsoft but everyone else gets fucked.

>>714859242
It's pretty funny to see how many incompetent execs and whatnot this company harbours and protects. This has to be some kind of industry lesson. What is even worse, that's probably as common in any other industry as well but at least they are not that blatantly incompetent as Microsoft is or they just cover their tracks more carefully...

>>714858470
Maybe it'd actually sell some copies if it wasn't free with Gamepass at launch. It did so poorly that Microsoft almost shut down the studio.

>>714858436
What a retarded post. These aren't even the same thing or defined by the same metrics of success. Having multiple revenue streams is common in business. Just because one stream is a success doesn't mean you ignore everything else. If playstation is such a success why are they putting exclusives onto pc and xbox? It's because playstation is a failing right? That's what you mean to say right?

>>714859242
This, if anyone still believes them, they're retarded and can't be helped.

>>714859507
>If playstation is such a success why are they putting exclusives onto pc and xbox?
Because they're retarded and are chasing short-term money in exchange for long-term brand damage.

>>714848653
investors did
they kept hearing about games like Doom:Dark Ages and Assassins Creed Shadows having 6 gorilion "players" and thought they hit a goldmine

>>714858965
Gamepass is fucking cancer for any game company. Great for fans since it's so cheap.

Look at Hi-Fi Rush for example. Really good game. Tons of people loved it. But it sold like shit because it was free on Gamepass at launch. Most people who played it didn't pay a cent for it.

Tango Gameworks was nearly shut down by Microsoft for not being profitable. Luckly they were saved by Krafton. Krafton bought out the studio becuase they weren't as stupid as Microsoft.

>>714859507
This simply means that Game Pass was a failure, it can't even grow anymore. You don't port your games if your subscription service is doing well, you can your games, you don't can your studios, you don't can your in-house hardware and switch to OEMs, and you don't pull your consoles from various markets and even in store shelves in your country of origin if your subscription service is doing well.
>If playstation is such a success why are they putting exclusives onto pc and xbox? It's because playstation is a failing right?
>>714854524
Yes, they're failing too. Nintendo doesn't have to do this.

>>714859721
Maybe GP would have been that 'killer product' what everyone wanted if Microsoft didn't blunder their every first party release... Starting from Halo Infinite and Forza Motorsport. Now is bit too late for that. If they had a successful lineup and all that back in 2015-2021 things would probably be different now. They have practically ruined everything what they have during the last ten years.

I think their only successful brand is Forza Horizon at this point.
Microsoft as does not know how to manage (game) companies.

>>714859632
More like they're seeing all the billions Microsoft are making by becoming not only a platform holder but also a mega publisher and want their own share of the steak. Microsoft are bigger on playstation than playstation are on their own platform. Thats an existential threat to playstation themselves. They don't want to be reliant on Microsoft games to sustain their revenue targets and they don't want Microsoft monopolising genres either. They're trying to do to Microsoft what Microsoft is doing to them. Remember when Sony revealed that cod single handedly brings in more money annually than any other game on playstation and that if Microsoft removed it from playstation the brand would no longer survive? They're at the mercy of Microsoft even more now, forget cod. Minecraft, forza, sea of thieves etc are the biggest games on playstation right now.

>>714859632
You see..... once you've milked your own market for all you can get...
You then slowly dip your feet into other markets to make money from them. It's not considered long term brand damage at all. Those they want your games now can play it at release. All other markets will have to wait a year or two. By that time, everyone who wants to play your game asap will have a ps5 and have beaten the game already.

Only retarded fanboys will consider this move a long term brand damage. But those fans would never have gotten a ps5 anyway.

>>714859730
Are you retarded? It doesn't mean anything of the sort. In fact it means the complete opposite. Microsoft, as Chris dring pointed out in his follow up tweet today, are using these other platforms to make the experience for their core players better. The chumps on other platforms are bankrolling gamepass on Microsoft platforms so they can offer the cheapest and best experience within their own platforms at the expensive of others. And they still sell games individually for those that want it even on their own platform. Gamepass is just an extra bonus for Microsoft ecosystem users on top of their usual retail offerings.

>>714859954
>guts more than half their studios
>cancel's more than 40 of their games announced and unannounced
>only focusing on known franchises that already make a profit
>still using le mega publisher
Shut your shilling ass up. Microsoft and Sony are at the mercy of Nintendo and Valve now.

>>714859963
That's like thinking that game sales don't damage the value of a game, but we all know that it does.

>>714842795
>Where's that shill saying that Game Pass is profitable and has a future at?
He's still shilling for Game Pass.
https://youtu.be/3NqQfVWwMyI?si=jcdSJbD-0OgxDBT9

>>714858436
Why is Sony porting their games to pc and Xbox?

>>714860128
Do you not get the fact that in late 2027, the next gen Xbox will cost well over $1000, the OEMs will start at most likely $900 on up? The SteamOS will be well established in gaming handhelds, the Steam Deck 2 will also come out shortly after the Xbox at a significantly lower price. Please tell me with a straight fucking face, how the hell Game Pass is going to survive and continue especially with the Xbox OS being discontinued for Windows?

>>714859963
>Only retarded fanboys will consider this move a long term brand damage.
No. It's long term brand damage because it causes Sony to lose reasons why someone would opt for Playstation over hopping to PC or Switch for roughly the same price. This was literally the entire reason why they made the PS4 Pro; they were terrified people were going to jump to PC once they realized it wasn't that much more expensive than buying a PS4 and in terms of performance it was much better. It's now even more relevant because the Switch 2 is significantly more competitive than anyone thought performance-wise.

Putting your exclusives on another platform leads to you becoming a third-party publisher over time instead of an industry leader over time as your brand loses its "exclusive" value. Your entire appeal as a console creator and ecosystem is that you have some sort of way to attract developers to make exclusive games for your platform (Or at the very least tailored to your specific platform), foster brand new IPs and genres that flourish on your platform, and force people to have FOMO because your game won't be on other platforms. Putting any first-party game on PC, Xbox, or Switch was retarded for the brand, full stop. If you can't acknowledge that then you don't care about the gaming ecosystem as a whole, you just want everything to be multiplat completely ignoring the massive benefits the consumer sees due to exclusives.

There is a reason why Nintendo does not port their games outside of one very specific exception for the Nvidia Shield which was to get into the Chinese market: It devalues the brand. You NEED to buy the Switch because for 99% of people emulation is immoral or doesn't exist. Mario, Pokemon, Metroid, Animal Crossing, Splatoon, Fire Emblem, Pikmin, and so on are only found on that specific platform. If you and your friends want to play the main titles everyone wants and not some garbage mobile cash grabs that's the only way to do it.

>>714859963
Now that all these games are on Steam and coming to Switch 2, why the hell would I ever get another PlayStation or Xbox again when the Switch 2 and eventual Steam Deck 2 will cost significantly less?

>>714860416
Because like Microsoft, they're fucking stupid. This is what happens when you blow all this money on tech and AAA slop over something smaller and creative that costs less.

>>714841231 (OP)
i always assumed it was a loss leader

Every person I know who has used game pass has done so as a way to play a single game for like 15 bucks instead of paying full price.

I have a friend who wanted to play clair 33 and doom the dark ages, so waited for them both to come out to pay for one month of gp, then went back to his steam library for everything else.

He'd have probably paid at least 20 bucks for each if they were on a steam sale, which even with steam's cut wouldve been like 32 dollars going to MS, instead they got 15.

It's just terrible maths.

>>714860497
>hopping to PC
>for roughly the same price
Then why do pc players complain about their $500 pc not running 2024 games?

>>714860718
Leading to what, more loss?

You are all coming to pc sooner or later.
Game Pass will just be another third party service.

>>714860995
This, i just bought a 10 bucks non stackable 1month cd key to play Tony Hawk.
Honestly Microsoft owned games are so disposable and mostly live service slop that i'm not really peeved if i dont own them.

>>714861402
Acquiring the market and then once everyone is trapped they put the squeeze on, maybe.

>>714842935
gaming is truly fucked, now we're about to get a ps6 in a couple of years and its going to exacerbate this even more.

Absurd

>>714863107
Only Nintendo and Valve will survive this

>>714863107
>PS6 releases
>takes 6 years to release its' first AAA exclusive
imagine

>>714863560
preasu enjoyu more remasters forever.

for 11€ i played E33, Oblivion remake and new DOOM

yeah i know i dont own those games now but for 11€ i got like 130h of fun
Gamepass is amazing and the only people shitting on it are butthurt Snoys

>>714841231 (OP)
of course, they expected to get 100 million subscribers and only got 35 million

Snoy n*ggerstation are a total woke shit too

Nobody will care anymore, n*ggers

Xbox Gamepass are for the based white consumer and not for a subhuman like you

Enjoy your sh*tty favored over priced woke tier Games, filthy n*ggers

Snoy n*ggerstation are only made for subhuman like you and not for me

>xbox fires all retards and useless idiots producing nothing and wasting money
>suddenly out of the woodwork comes idiots c rying about how bad xbox and game pass is
>its just because they arent allowed free hand outs from microsoft anymore they are crying

why does no one shit on Sony's "gamepass" that cost even more but offers less games and lower quality games?

>>714841231 (OP)
Microsoft trying and failing to fuck up the industry will always be funny. If valve didn't exist they may have succeeded

Because these threads (same as the Nintendo/Switch 2 "criticism" threads) are only made under the pretense of neutrality, when the actual goal is to shit on Sony's competitors.
In other words, it's okay when Sony does it, and only Sony.

>>714866578
If you have a job the thought of playing those 3 long ass games in a single month is ridiculous, it makes more sense to just buy 1 and complete it at your own pace. Yes, if you're an unemployed neet with too much time and mommy's credit card then game pass makes sense

>>714869680 was meant for >>714869108

>>714860718
You can't have your entire business model be a loss leader

>>714869732
shut up faggot. i work full time and i still play 100h+ of vidya every month

>>714869680
>im gonna pay $200 instead of $15 just because i dont play games that often

thank you for your input

>>714858965
The idea was that enough people would actually keep their subscription to Game Pass active indefinitely so that they would pay far more than they would have if they just paid a standard price to own the game. The real problem is that they're offering this subscription at streaming service prices if not less than that, and one should notice that the cost to own a video game is much higher than a movie copy. For this model to be anywhere near profitable, the standard fee really should at least be $25-$40 monthly, not $10.

>>714863107

>>714841231 (OP)
Okay. And why am I meant to care that it's not profitable for the studios exactly?

Only permanently financially destitute retards think game pass is good value. Its the exact type of person living in servitute to the 15 other subscriptions they have, living paycheck to paycheck with no savings or investments.

>>714870847
>paying 20-40 monthly to not own anything
lmao

>>714869108
because sony just follows microshit
reason we have pay to play on consoles is microshit
reason we have gamepass crap is microshit
reason consoles are shit? microshit

Nutella would make Gamepass profitable by developing every game in India

>>714871557
You underestimate how many idiots are out there that would pay into this, it's why we have ads advertising apps that claim to cancel subscriptions people forgot they were even paying for.

>>714871842
the only way i would pay that is, if every month a goty contender released
and that doesn't happen since 2004

>>714841231 (OP)
Yeah but some elite Jew probably slips em money because they are conditioning their goy cattle to get used to owning nothing and being happy about it.