Thread 714842871

What is the shitiest pistol in FPS history?

>>714842871 (OP)

How about you acquire some skill, you absolute rookie?

>>714843007
>modded
good job

Half-Life has the shittiest guns across the board in all categories.

>>714842971
HL2 might have the worst version of every gun type 2bh.

>>714842971
>>714843139
recently replayed a bit of HL2 after a decade, and holy fuck, EVERYTHING aged perfectly but the firearms, I guess you could make the argument that "it feels generic because every fps after it was copying it", but it's still stupidly fucking unfun, even HL1 has more fun weapons

>>714842871 (OP)
>Weaker than 9mm
>Weaker than its American counter part (m1911)
>8 rounds
The only games that shill this garbage are the ones made by either eastern euros or Russians

>>714842871 (OP)
You literally posted it. That gun is so bad it filters people out of the game to this day.

>>714843139
>>714843229
>>714843324
HL1 guns are pretty good. some are weak but not TOO weak

HL2 guns all feel underpowered but i feel like that is because the gravity gun needed to shine

>>714842871 (OP)
In Doom 3

>>714842871 (OP)
Liberator from BFV, it's not even a fun meme weapon like Kolibri because at least Kolibri can potentially kill someone at point blank range. Liberator can't.

>>714843412
Stalker doesn't exactly "shill" it considering it's the worst gun in the game.

>>714842871 (OP)
The Far Cry 2 makarov is fucking useless because the game has also a variant that is silenced and has identical stats. The only good thing about the unsilenced gun is that you need to buy a gun in the tutorial and it is the cheapest shit available aside from the god awful g3.

>>714843515
Damn, really?
My crowning achievement in BF1 was getting the 100 kill star award for 100 Kolibri kills.

>>714843412
Mogged by this in every game too

>>714843593
Yeah, Liberator deals like 95 damage to head at point blank range. If it dealt 100 damage in like 5 meters then it would be better than Kolibri though.

>>714842871 (OP)
>shitiest
glock 18
>bestest
usp-s

>>714842971
Why does /v/ hate HL2 so much? Is there some oldfag history there?

>>714843671
How is that worse than kolibri then? It took 4 point blank shots to the head to kill someone at full health with kolibri because headshots did 25 damage. Body shots were 10 damage.

>>714843324
When it first came out I thought HL2 was a generic bore compared to any previous generation of fps
Pic related, now this is a game with good guns

Colt from timesplitters. Slow fire rate and can't even kill enemies with head shot. Even the fist is better option.

Blake Stone had the dumbest fucking pistol imaginable.

>>714843805
Liberator has to reload after every shot. And the reload takes forever.

ffs guys, do I really have to post it myself?

>>714843861
I thought the charge on the mauler was pretty good
The Magsec is shit though
It's like PD's Klobb

>>714844058
Oh, well that makes more sense then.

>>714843793
it aged like shit and is boring

>>714844218

I like how this gun basically got shit on by everyone, even the US who were distributing it.
There's probably like 1-2 soldiers that actually got killed by it though.

>>714844108
It's laser accurate at long range giving it multiple use case scenarios.

>>714842971
It fires as fast as you click the mouse and kills CP in two shots.

>>714842871 (OP)
>>714843437
This pistol does suck, but I think it's kind of being blamed as the scapegoat when the reality is more like the aiming system is very strange to new players and this just happens to be the first gun they put in your hand, so they blame the gun entirely.

>>714844414
No.

>>714843793
it was a horrible tech demo when it released and it still isn't fun 20 years later, while Half-Life still was and still is fun 30 years later

>>714843452
>HL1 guns are pretty good
No they aren't.
See
>>714844258

>HL2 guns all feel underpowered
every hl2 gun is stronger than it's hl1 counterpart

>>714844448
The master difficulty myth is responsible for much of it.

>>714842871 (OP)
its good irl

>>714844108
>*DOHT*
>*DOHT*
>*DOHT*
>*monster groans*
>*DOHT*
>*DOHT*
>*DOHT*
>*DOHT*
>*monster dies*
if your wad forces me to pistol a pinkie demon to death or use a single shotgun on a cacodemon or baron of hell you're a fucking faggot, plain and simple

>>714844258
Filtered zoom zomo.

>>714844379
It wasn't ever meant to be good. It was a weapon for resistance fighters who weren't wearing uniforms and looked the same as any other civilian. You used it by walking up behind a guy when he was on his own and shooting him in the back. It's effectively a really loud knife. The actual soldiers got 1911s which were much better in every way.
They also had the secondary purpose of scaring the shit out of occupying soldiers. They already knew a lot of the populace were against them, so knowing that there were pistol drops going on and every person they saw might have a gun ready to murder them was really fucking bad. Or would have been if more got dropped, very few of them actually made it to Europe.

>>714844609
oh come on, you get the shotgun way later in the game, and once you do you no longer find those metrocops, the enemies are stronger by then

>>714844414
Theres literally zero use cases for it. Other than opening doors in some nu wads

>>714844258
HL1 helmets actually work so that third shot was badly aimed. You need to aim for the face instead of the head on that soldier type.

>>714843324
>EVERYTHING aged perfectly but the firearms
You like being stopped in a room for your "immersive" cutscenes while all the other characters throat you for being the protagonist of the first game?
You like the lack of enemy variety?
You like the intentionally boring (not grim BORING) environments with nothing interesting to see?

>>714844885
I played through all of HL1+blue shift+opposing forces+HL2 still need to play episode 1 and 2 and the shotgun in HL2 is absolutely a stronger and more satisfying weapon by far. It's like the only thing nice I have to say about HL2 in comparison to 1. It's treated as almost a power weapon in HL2 where ammo is slightly scarce but it packs a punch while in 1 you can spam it at everything if you want.

>>714845013
>You like being stopped in a room for your "immersive" cutscenes
To be fair, modern games also do that, so he's probably used to it. They just make the room a corridor and have you walk down it while people talk instead of having you stand still.

>>714842871 (OP)
Lemi in RE8

>>714842871 (OP)
>penis grips

>>714844609
hl1 shotgun is good
crossbow is good
gauss gun is legendary
gluon gun is hilarious
trip mines actually useful for boosting

only the glock sucks and that's because it's starting pistol and mp5 is shit, at least GL on it is good

hl2 usp is infamously weak
mp7 weak
magnum too slow but decent
crossbow also slower
shotgun is more accurate but lacks oomf
pulse rifle decent, secondary is godly
rocket launcher slower than hl1
gravity gun is gravity gun

>>714845013
>You like being stopped in a room for your "immersive" cutscenes
It's a sequel to Half Life. Were you expecting Serious Sam?
>You like the lack of enemy variety?
It has enemy variety. What enemy variety HL1 has is just squids and houndeyes which have never killed anyone ever.
>You like the intentionally boring (not grim BORING) environments with nothing interesting to see?
The game's art, environments, and atmosphere are iconic. The game is a beloved masterpiece. I dont know why /v/ shits on HL2. It's forced.

>>714844885
The shotgun in 2 is far better than the first game's shotgun. What makes it better is watching the ragdolls fly when you kill them.

>>714845415
>I dont know why /v/ shits on HL2. It's forced.
This is /v/ anon.
It's what happens here.

>>714845415
>it's a sequel to Half Life
Oh so it's gotta be boring, especially on repeat playthroughs, ok.
>It has enemy variety
human soldier, human soldier, human soldier, handful of alien crabs of differing size. Boring.
>The game's art, environments, and atmosphere are iconic
They're a meme. Shit is just washed out and grey with no life to the environments. You want depressing slavic countryside and towns devastated by a powerful "alien" force? STALKER did it better.

>>714845408
>hl2 usp is infamously weak
It's not. It kills metro cops in two shots.
>mp7 weak
It mows down metro cops. By the time you fight armored combined you have the ar2. And its grenade launcher is strong the whole game.
>magnum too slow but decent
It being slow is because it's a fucking canon. It's more than decent and you know it.
>crossbow also slower
It impales enemies and is stronger than some dinky feeling tranq gun.
>pulse rifle decent, secondary is godly
It's more than decent, and more so than any good weapon in hl1 because you dont get it right at the end of the game and you actually have ammo for it. And aesthetically it's cool as fuck with nice weapon sounds and animations.

Half Life 2 has the worst gun designs in the history of FPS games. This plus the exaggerated weapon sway and head bob... what a putrid experience
It's unbeliavable the fact that people worship this filthy tech demo

>>714845823
look how many shots those guys takes with the ar2. it's weak. doesn't matter how much "armor" they have at that point. it's about progression and feeling stronger as you play and valve curbs that in favor of the gravity gun, which is probably the right call, especially at the time

also most of the sounds for hl2 guns seemed underwhelming

>>714845726
>Oh so it's gotta be boring, especially on repeat playthroughs, ok.
You liked it enough to warrant replaying the game multiple times. Evidently it's not boring. That's just a made up problem.
>human soldier, human soldier, human soldier, handful of alien crabs of differing size. Boring.
You fight human soldiers and headcrabs in the first game. And that's about it.

Playing it recently, HL2 is overhated on /v/ as an overreaction to it being hugely overrated elsewhere. The game's pretty good, but that's about it. Some sections drag way too long, and yeah half of the weapons feel like shit to use, but overall it's pretty good.

>>714845985
They aren't taking that many shots.
> it's about progression and feeling stronger
Usually games get more challenging as they go on, not less.

I don't. We're talking about guns here.

>>714844146
The magsec is cool

>>714846126
>/v/ is full of contrarian retards
Wow!

>>714843793
I don't. We're talking about guns here.

>>714846126
And Hl1 being massively overrated everywhere else isn't overhated here, because why..?

>>714844258
Skill issue

>>714846271
This is a case where the contrarians are right though. They just are somewhat overzealous about it.
>>714846313
It's a lot better than HL1, mainly. And people elsewhere largely stopped talking about it when HL2 came out.

>>714842871 (OP)
I don't remember anyone using this one in CS 1.6 so it must be shit.

>>714842871 (OP)
>starter water pistol you throw away the second you find something else in the old games
>becomes a god amongst men in 2
Kinda sad, why can't the player have a piece of shit when they start out?

>>714846064
>game gassed up by bad taste faggots
>ok maybe I was wrong, try the game again
>overwhelmingly mid experience and have to turn it off.
You fight human soldiers, varients that actually have different movesets and AI behaviour (assassins for example),
You actually get to fight aliens in Half Life 1! Pay attention and you might see 'em!
>Vortigaunts
>Bullsquid
>Houndeye
>Alien Grunt
>Gargantua
>Tentacles
>Alien Controllers
>Gonarch
>Snarks
>Nihilanth
Lets see here in Half Life 2 oh... Majority is Civilian Protection

>>714846889
>assassins for example
One whole room and they're shit and un fun to fight with their jerky movement and animations. It's better HL2 actually sprinkles in human variety throughout the game and mixes them together.
>>Vortigaunts
>>Bullsquid
>>Houndeye
Boring, easy, predictable enemies that no one has ever died to. Zombie variety in Hl2 alone is more than half this list.
>>Gargantua
Not a real enemy.
>Tentacles
Which isn't an enemy. It's an environment hazard. Antlions being an actual enemy + an environment hazard is better.
>Gonarch
Hl2 has the queen antlion
>Nihilanth
Wow, a shitty boss fight to end the worst chapter in any fps ever. Why enemy variety is the end all be all sticking point HL1 hipsters use to shit on HL2 i'll never understand because there were shooters then that shit on Hl1's enemies. You could play Quake 2 and it has more enemies than HL. Serious Sam has like 40 of them. Why Snarks are seemingly so important to bring up as evidence, and then detractors just conveniently ignore striders? The scanner bots that flash you are even better.

>>714842971
it feels a bit anemic, but at least it does good damage. same with the smg

>>714844258
>Shotgun pellets on heavy armor

>>714844108
it would've been not as bad if it didn't share ammo with chaingun

>>714848035
learn how guns work.

>>714842971
>doesn't know about unpatched hl2 where you could fire all 17 shots at once
>1 hit kill headshot in hl2 dm

>>714847751
>le variety is le bad
>Boring, easy, predictable enemies
Oh you mean every human enemy in HL2?
>zombie variety
Most of this is one extra attack or more health, be real. Guess you could say they're not "real" variety.
Maybe people bring up enemy variety because that is a major element of the gameplay.
>Striders
Oh speaking of shit and unfun to fight. Horrible segment to then end on a cliffhanger.
>The scanner bots that flash you are even better
This isn't anything. They aren't even comparable to snarks that are also useable as a thrown weapon. The bots don't even harm you (in game, eye strain from sudden flashbangs to the screen don't really count).

>>714844609
>HL1 clip is Gordan terribly fighting heavy armor soldier
>HL2 clip is Gordan headshotting tutorial grunt with pin-point accuracy
You know HL2 fags are desperate when they have to misdirect like this in-order to make their game look good lmao

>>714844258
This looks like shit, how can boomers praise this

>>714842871 (OP)
I own a real one of these IRL

>>714848612
Your mother looks like shit and we still priase her dick sucking skills regardless.

>>714842971
i must be the only one that likes it, the look, the sound the extremely high fire rate..

for me it's The Sucker, fro mthe game ,uuhh

>>714848470
>le variety is le bad
Quality>Quantity
>Oh you mean every human enemy in HL2?
The only thing keeping HL1 human enemies than being anymore easy than they already are the shit and useless weapons.
see
>>714844258
>Most of this is one extra attack or more health, be real. Guess you could say they're not "real" variety.
There as much variety, if not more so, than assassins. And isn't just one room either. Why that's important enough to bring up, but then all these zombie variants with different attributes and abilities don't count? Well, I dont know, because i'm not a contrarian hl2 detractor edgelod.
>Maybe people bring up enemy variety because that is a major element of the gameplay.
Enemy variety is at the bottom of things HL1 is remembered for. It matters a lot more in a game like Doom Half the enemies in HL is nothing more than set dressing and atmosphere.

>>714844379
noobs were playing on easy mode too

>>714848987
>Kills most things with 3-5 shots to the head
>Accurate until at until around mid range
>Shoots almost as fast as you can click
Seems to be a skill issue.

>>714849108
>>le variety is le bad
>Quality>Quantity
So you conceded that HL2 is terrible, thanks.
You can fuck off with your disengenious gameplay of HL1, silly little shill.

Both Half Life 1 and 2 are good and I play mods for both daily.

>>714842971
PAP PAP PAP PAP

>>714849626
I hear PAFF
They must have gone out of their way to make sure the sound was weak and pathetic

>>714843412
>not using the actual russian 1911 clone

>>714844834
That's actually retarded. If you turn civilians into terrorists, the enemy will just start repressing them brutally. Civilians would get hurt more from this than the soldiers, and eventually the resistance would get sold out by its own people.

>>714849783

A Tokarev is more of a Colt 1903 clone but scaled up.

>>714843412
a Makarov will run like a clock, forever. If muh stopping powuh was the deciding factor for duty pistol choice then the 10mm Delta Elite would be the gold standard, but it's not. Browningfags SEETHE at MakGOD supremacy

>>714843793
it just aged bad and over the last 5 years or so the awareness of this has reached critical mass. hl1 is so much better that you almost resent 2 for not living up to it. the whiplash makes people passionate about it.

>>714844146
are you retarded? double magsecs on altfire is sex
pewpewpew-pewpewpew

>>714849989
read some history kid

>>714850538
Tokarev is better

>>714842871 (OP)
Lole nice dickgrips

>>714843007
that framerate tho

>>714843584
>god awful g3
It wasn't that bad

>>714850965
it's decent but giving it nothing but a half-cock safety was a bad idea. The Mak's grip heel mag release is better than the Tokarev's button release outside of flat range conditions too

>>714843939
>Jericho's SAA from the start of Darkwatch before you get the Redeemer
>so garbage that it can't even kill the starting zombies because no silver bullets even pistol whipping them doesn't do shit
You barely use it for less than a minute and it has the basics covered like a full model, reload and melee animations.

>>714842871 (OP)
I remember being so hyped to play with a Bong handcannon in FC4 only to immediately find that it handled like a janky piece of shit. Fitting for a pistol that's been passed around the Himalayas for a century I guess.

>>714845896
There is 0 (zero) headbob in hl2. I should know, I fucking love headbob.

>>714844834
>They also had the secondary purpose
I'm convinced that this was the primary purpose but didn't say so.
>>714849989
That's not what happened though. even in Iraq where little children strapped with explosives were hiding among the civilian populace the Americans didn't crack down on the general populace.

>>714843452
>HL2 guns all feel underpowered
I disagree
AR2 rifle - very powerful (but pretty inaccurate and ammo is a problem)
Grenades - powerful
Crossbow - very powerful
.357 Python - very powerful
Missile launcher - very powerful
Shotgun - not bad at all
You're talking about the pistol, smg and that vehicle tau cannon. But they are a minority

>>714844414
You never played doom 1 or 2

>>714842871 (OP)
The starter pistol from Stalker SoC.
It's so shit that I only do pointblank headshots with it until I steal a shotgun and never use it again.

I haven't played Hunt Showdown in years but back around 2020 or so the basic nagant pistol was the cheapest firearm in the game and by design the worst one with the lowest damage, low firerate and slow reload (single action revolver with loading gate. Had 7 rounds instead of 6 though!)

Still, a headshot in this game always killed if you're within effective range (I heard they changed that now and headshots always kill?) so killing a Tier3 hunter with the mosin/dolch combo with your shitty free hunter junk gun was extremely satisfying.

>>714849989
>implying any modern nationstate today can go full Elam or Khwarazmian before their own populace starts chewing them out for it

>>714844258
>double shot at that distance
Low iq issue not even skill issue actual low iq.

>>714851702
yeah I get that the USP and MP7 are awful but the second I leave Ravenholm I'm bouncing between the AR2/Python/SPAS and having a great time. Mods make the early weapons tolerable at least.

>>714844673
No it's not. Weird slow 9x18 ammo (which is less powerful than western 9x19 parabellum), low ammo capacity and heavy pistol frame from the 60s. Only the police footcops use it because it's their issued gun. No spec ops use it whatsoever because it's SHIT
Picrelated

>>714843229
but the hl2 shotgun is awesome

>>714843515
>we need to arm insurgents to get them to assassinate our enemies for us
British
>we made the welrod, it's basically a tube you stick the magazine in, hence the name. It's integrally silenced to the point the mechanical clicking drowns out any sound of the discharge, the baffles are good for five shots or so, it's bolt action in case you need a follow-up shot, think that's the best we can do
Americans
>we stamped out a handle for a bullet. You have to disassemble the gun to reload it's single shot. We call it the liberator to make the guys who die trying to use it feels better.

>>714849989
>terrorists
>killing occupants is terrorism
You're russan, aren't you?

>>714851794
Ironically the Bornheim is even worse but you pay more for it. I never finished the mastery for it because I couldn't be bothered.

>>714852121
>No spec ops use it whatsoever because it's SHIT
some absolutely do use it, geezers in small-time MVD units still pack them.
>Picrelated
the pistol being held by the dude standing on the far left sure does look Makarov-like.

>>714844218
>one frikkin million
I get the concept but what the fuck? they really thought there'd be a million guerrillas? they should have only made a few thousand.

>shoot enemy 10 times
>they don't die

Playing with HL2 MMOD feels like night and day.

>>714844446
Doesn't change the fact that it feels very weak and boring to use

>>714842971
Dual wielding this in vr is good fun

>>714852157
HL1 shotgun is still better and has better sound design.

>>714852363
I did well with the bornheim. You need to go for headshots with it and just magdump until you get it. Not very ammo efficient. But yes, I think it was always overpriced since the nagant officer did the same but cheaper.
As I said, IDK how the game plays in 2025 at all, I only heard of some major reworks like there suddenly being bullet drop and shit.

>>714852986
The game is a lot different and runs worse, solo players have pretty considerable advantages like a self revive and other busted traits compared to duos, more gimmicks and trickery to try and pull in casuals. Way more gimmick weapons and ammos. That said, if you have a group of friends it's still fine.

>>714843616
in RE7 this feels like it's shooting needles

>>714853158
Ah I see. I have 750 hours on record, all in the span of 2-3 years and I'm thouroghly done with this game. High MMR lobbies were extremely boring with a very strict meta and we only had 2 maps so every compound has been essentially solved. Also no one even went for the boss anymore since attacking bounty target first was usually a death sentence so it became very campy.
Mid-MMR lobbies were the most fun I ever had in a shooter but I'm not gay enough to smurf so I just uninstalled.

>>714842871 (OP)
TMP without stock on the Wii version. They studied artificially increased the fucking wobble unless you bought the stock, and the gun itself does jack shit for damage. Was only good for knife setups.

>>714853463
forgot image

>>714852191
Pretending to be an unarmed civilian to murder enemy soldiers is perfidy.

>>714843324
>>714842971
MMod is mandatory for any HL2 playthrough in the current year.

>>714842871 (OP)

Halo 3 magnum was butchered

>>714849626
>>714849756
It sounds like an air pistol.
I want a gun that sounds like God slamming the car door of the cosmos. A reverberating BOOM that lets me know I'm actually doing damage.

>>714846464
the 228 was better than the glock and dualies
that said if you were ct it was a sidegrade to the usp and drastically worse than a deagle.
the only reason to use it for pistol rounds was if you are t and cant afford a deagle.
it was probably the 2nd best pistol but if you were buying any pistol its going to be the deagle.

>>714852165
The Liberator would have been good if they had actually used it for it's intended purpose. By the time the factory was geared up to make them it cost less to produce a single liberator than it cost to make the ten rounds it came with.
What they should have done:
>produce untold millions of the things
>make enough to arm every single civilian in occupied France ~twenty times over
>scatter them about like a retard
>make it abundantly obvious you're scattering them about like a retard
>no matter how many the Germans capture you know and they know and the French know that there will always be more
>all occupying forces now realise that every French peasant may now have a concealable weapon to end your life with if you get close enough and they have nothing left to lose
>that farmer? Armed
>that cafe owner? Armed
>that prostitute? Armed
>that "collaborator"? Armed
>that random kid on the street? Oh you better believe he's armed
>All German soldiers get too scared to leave the barracks
>morale collapses

What they actually used it for:
>the French will use this as their front-line weapon in the uprising until they can capture something better
>maybe we'll hand over idk five of them

>>714855010
I do like that the British tried flooding France with welrods and stens for the same reason, only to find the partisans would rather shoot rival partisan groups than the Germans and gave up.

>>714855419
>French killing other French
As a Bong this still seems like a win to me.

>>714848901
I can't believe how hard they let this shit fall off after the M6D hand cannon in CE. The magnum in Halo 3 wasn't a great deal better either. I assume they made them this way because you could dual wield weapons on 2 and 3.
The next magnum in Halo 3:ODST was beautiful, a return to form as you can't dual wield in ODST.

>>714842871 (OP)
the Zippy 3000

>>714855419
wtf is this true?

>>714856265
Yeah, the resistance didn't actually do a lot of resisting. They just pretended so the Americans wouldn't shoot them.

>>714856423
citation needed

>>714843616
>Smg mog pistol
Yeah, no shit

>>714848126
Shotgun is weak against armor and material, retard.

>>714852448
The way it was designed its cost lies primarily in the machinery to make them. To make a million or a thousand is not that much of a difference in price.

>>714853463
>>714853510
it's okay, even the shittiest bait can get a (you) from me

>>714851257
The Tokariev is a military pistol and it's meant to be carried with an empty chamber, this is how militaries want their pistols carried 99% of the time.
Just like the Glock. The empty chamber is your safety.

>>714854374
All I want is a good dismemberment and gore mod for HL2. Like the one for HL1 that turns it into a Soldier of Fortune-diet edition.

>>714850124
it's more so based on the FN M1903 (which is also related to the Colt 1903 tbf - it's just that the scaling-up was done by the Belgians, not the Soviets)

>>714850124
>>714858736
It's not based on either, retards. It just looks similar.

>>714843412
It's less than 10k RUB though.

>>714843412
the Makarov is more related to the Walther PP series, both mechanically in that's it's literally a scaled-up PP (heh), and doctrinally in that it's more of a pocket pistol for officers and cops, emphasizing compactness over firepower

>>714858736
Brownings with nonexposed hammers look so ugly. Like Hi-point pistol's grandfathers.

>>714843793
I still enjoy HL2 on replays though I do usually run stuff like MMod nowadays just to give it a few tweaks and extra bits of polish

>>714858786

No, the Tokarev definitely uses the design of the M1903 and the action of the M1911 with a few simplifications so it can be mass produced easier.

They're definitely related. Its not as simple as just being a scaled up M1903 or a simpler uglier M1911; but its based off both their designs. The frame is basically a M1903 scaled up while the action uses a tilting barrel like a M1911 as opposed to the M1903's direct blowback.

Look it up if you don't believe me.

>>714859023

I disagree.

>>714859362
The frame is superfluous, merely an aesthetic choice. The heart of the system is the 1911 tilting barrel optimized for production, especially the locking surfaces on the barrel cut on a lathe.

>>714859362
>Browning invents the slide
>other gunsmiths start using it because of how effective it is
>WOW THESE ARE ALL COPIES OF SOMETHING BROWNING DID

>>714846195
challenging yes, but you will still encounter the weak enemies and they will pink mist in most games by the end compared to them being a reasonable threat in the early game.

bad games constantly one up the base enemy and never put the cannon fodder ones in so you never feel like you got stronger, you just feel like your head is staying above water the entire time.

The DayZ makarov is worse than bare fists in pvp, the only time its useful is if you've successfully managed to sneak up on someone and pop them in the head, at which point every zombie within a mile is on their way

>>714843412
Makarov is actually a good pistol, it just looks like underpowered and cheap

>>714846807
honestly, if a game has a system to refurbish/service guns, I think the player should be given a decent gun in disrepair, maybe its unique and can use parts from other guns to fix it, and it turns out to be a decent side arm that they spend a good few hours on a side quest to repair it.

if they don't have service systems in the game, the gun should be kinda crap or very situational on normal+ difficulties, or a viable end game with a learning curve on easier than normal difficulties

>>714844537
>tech demo
Kill yourself you NPC parrot.

>>714860950
Plasma cutter from Dead Space

>>714842871 (OP)
its not the worst gun in an fps, but its the biggest downgrade in gun I think in any game

halo 2 pistol

for worst gun... the starter gun in unreal tournament when you die till you pick up a real gun.

>>714843959
That gun was ass but it's the only silenced weapon. So it's actually justified.

>>714842871 (OP)
the one from nortubel

>>714861487
based tireless shill

>>714843229
HL2 is where it's most obvious valve are noguns retards. I've seen literal who indie games with better gun design.

>>714842971
it has its moments play The Burton Equation it gave me a real appreciation of its mechanics

>>714852121
>No spec ops
Who gives a shit?

>>714842871 (OP)
2bh the Makarov in Clear Sky is one of the early game's best guns with just one upgrade, being the extended mags
Consider this: as you start the game you should have enough money to get the stendo mags and the leather jacket upgrade that decreases bleed chance and that is more than enough to get past the swamps
yes I know about getting an MP5 converted but that's besides my point, which is all of the alternatives to the Makarov are liquid shit, while the Makarov is (almost) genuinely good out of the box
the alternatives being the double barrel (lol and lmao even) or the AK which you can't even get ammo for until you clear the swamps anyway. I really like how the AK is a huge noob filter as upgrading it is a surefire way of fucking yourself over since not only you can't find ammo for it for most of the swamps, but upgrading it is so expensive you won't be able to afford anything else

>>714852448
you do not appreciate the scale of maerican manufacturing last century. its the same with china. call a company over there for some widget. ask them to make 1 million and have the cash in escrow. they'll do it in a few weeks. they will be shit, but they'll be made.

>>714848901
came here to post this. The halo 2 pistol has got to be the worst piece of shit in history. They were so afraid of having another Halo CE Magnum that they went overboard in making sure this piece of shit was never used by anyone.

>>714852752
>muh feels