How do stop sucking ass at fighting games

>>714854631 (OP)
Depends on what you suck at nonny and how much you want to put in the time.

>>714854631 (OP)
Stop sucking ass and start FUCKING it, you faggot sodomite.

>>714854631 (OP)
Made for BWC

lust provoking image

>>714854631 (OP)
Time travel back to the early 2000s and start grinding. It's too late now to compete with the greybeards.

The first step is to choose to learn a fighting game that respects your time.
Examples of bad fighting games:
>3rd strike, KOF XV, SF6, Tekken, CvS2, MK1
Examples of good fighting games:
>Alpha 3, KOF 2002 UM, UNI2, VF5, Injustice 2, MKX

Be born with better reaction time.That's all there is to them sadly

>>714854631 (OP)
get your mouth off chun-li's ass for starters

>>714855553
It's astonishing how much this community wants to pretend Rising doesn't exist.

>>714855553
unironically whats wrong with 3rd strike

>>714854631 (OP)
Anal

>>714856293
That guy is just taking the piss, both of those lists are all over the place.

>>714856293
Parries and dogshit character balance, the latter is what really makes a bad fighting game.

>>714855734
Rising is my favorite modern fighter.
Other than the very questionable Vaseraga buffs last patch, it has been consistently getting better and better too.

>>714855553
do any of you play the Capcom collections or still use fightcade

understand that every multiplayer game is riddled with hackers and embrace the single player pill

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clgVKanRork&t=87s

>>714854810
I would imagine a true Sodomite would both fuck and suck an arse, but maybe not necessarily in that order.

>>714857995
Capcom killed its own collections by being cheap cunts and not paying for Crossplay

>>714854631 (OP)
I cabt play fightibg games cause as soon as i see one of those baddies i immediatly cant focus and need to bloat of my sperm!

>>714858098
I can’t play these games cause I think of these baddies cucking me!

>>714855734
>how much this community wants to pretend Rising doesn't exist.
Rising is fun for the first 100 hours until every match feels flowcharty and samey

>>714854631 (OP)
I would like to suck her ass, if you catch the general gist of my implication

>>714858384
I cant imagine how much sperm must lie around the bathrooms of each locals.

>>714855734
Rising is just boring.

>>714854631 (OP)
get reincarnated with a lot more natural talent

>>714858753
A lot…

Any of yall wanna play some +R

What if I am the fighting games

>>714855382
young people are the best though right now in SF6

>think of playing fighting game
>realize I'd have to yikes interact with the players
>nah

>>714855382
It's funny because a literal 15 year old shit on everyone during a recent SF6 tournament including all the veterans and it's happening very often
But nice to see the typical retards who don't know a thing about fighting games talk out their ass so early in the thread

>>714859550
>>714859680
Dix is not a real Street Fighter game.

>>714859841
Why

>>714860816
because of the many retarded mechanics it implements and gimmicks it enables
the whole drive system is a disgrace
every character plays the same
not to mention throw loops that have been in the game since release and they literally refuse to fix
its completely designed about facerolling and playing every character as rushdown
theres no fucking neutral

i dont even mind modern controls, i dont even mind dumbing down of certain inputs, but the whole thing is a mess

if you played any other fg before in your life you'd notice right away but im guessing youre a dixbaby
and if theres anything that makes me mad is the fact that SF6 is even making SFV look good, and thats unforgivable

dogshit game

KAMI 6

>>714859550
>Twitch reactions simulator 6
This shit is no different than all the noname fags gettin carried by pre nerf Nier in GBVR

>>714859841
they made 10 street fighters already?

>>714859841
Neither is third strike but you all claim to love it

Remedial yolo ass mashing bums

MUD PUSSY

>>714862006
Gonna jack it to her fat tits maybe…but blazblue girls sound enticing…

>>714862006
>"""swimsuit""""
>it's literaly a burka
Lmao

>>714855734
i just don't care about your gacha spinoff

>>714855382
>graybeards
>when twink faggots like Lazy “YOOO WADDUP GAYMERZ XD” Mattman exist
>>714859680 is right

>>714854631 (OP)
spend time in practice mode which is also why fighting games suck ass. takes too much time grinding to be good

>>714862778
>takes too much time grinding to be good
I hate this retarded cope so much its unreal
Theres not a single game out there where you can 'get good' in a short amount of time.
Team based games mask your lack of skill with teammates that may carry you, or at least make for someone to put the blame on

The only reason fgs are 'hard to get good at' its because its literally all your fault, no one elses.

kys retard

>>714862778
That’s why they’re good. Rather practice myself than gamble with team based games.

>>714862453
Are you retarded?

>>714862778
You can make it to diamond in sf6 by pressing cr HP when somebody jumps at you
you are a fucking coping retard

>>714858053
But would they feed and seed it?

>>714863068
Make actual swimsuit skins gook

>>714863254
You know that there’s a ton of bikinis in Granblue Fantasy right?

>>714859680
now lets see blaz play something else than casino fighter 6

>>714863850
>go up to messi
>yeah football is cool and all but let's see him play BASKETBALL
why do you retards use this argument

>>714864026
yup pissi cucktini is a frauf

>>714863164
Oh, I would have thought so.

the movement in KOF is filtering me
I can't move around fast
playing on stick

>>714854631 (OP)
pick ones with consistent controls
I can't tell you how many games I've picked up where what inputs you do have zero relation to what the characters physically do.
>punch is the punch button, except when it kicks
>block is the block button, except when it activates a special
>left is move left, except when it's duck
stupid shit like that

>>714864724
name one game that does this
boxing characters will, of course, also punch with the kick buttons, thats the only thing that applies to all the shit you said

>>714864724
>>punch is the punch button, except when it kicks
>>block is the block button, except when it activates a special
>>left is move left, except when it's duck
what game?

>>714864931
>press Heavy Slash
>character does a big punch
WOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

>>714865040
Erm, what did you expect

>>714864724
>>punch is the punch button, except when it kicks
pretty sure you are playing anime game where buttons are just attack A B C or D
>block is the block button, except when it activates a special
pretty sure only cotw has that its shit game ignore that
>left is move left, except when it's duck
you are probably forced into proximity block

>>714862778
Welcome to competitive video games. You're expected to practice or study. Team-based games may let you run around as some shitter who gets carried by his allies, but you'll eventually hit a hard wall unless you're willing to put in the time.

Do people actually play Street Fighter 6? Embarrassing.

>>714854631 (OP)
but i want to suck her ass, as well as cammy's

>>714866040
only japs do
eu and na is dead

I dont know why I'm struggling with Makoto's normal combo trial 8 in BBCF
I keep fumbling the air inputs/jump cancels

>>714866818
just do the bnbrinos from dustloop why are you bothering with those meme shits trials

SF6? Mash harder.

>Only airdasher on the horizon is tagshit

This normal is extremely ignorant

>>714867456
observe

>>714867594
that's exactly what I was doing earlier

>>714855553
Your taste is shit unless you can justify your reasoning why that top row of games is bad.

>>714867764
>explain why SF6, MK1, Tekken are bad
are you mentally challenged?

>>714867653
based honda chad, now go on and sumo to the extreme

>>714858473
100 hours? seems like a good bang for your buck

>>714866891
Some of the normal bare bones stuff seems interesting and it's mostly for fun.
But like if I'm struggling to do a basic air combo then there is something weird fundamentally with me

>>714867809
I was wondering more on why you think CvS2, KOFXV & 3rd Strike.

>>714854631 (OP)
You have to cheat and grind.
Cheat by buying a hitbox.
Grind by playing through every character in the game you want to master's arcade mode on normal in whatever game you're picking and then play 10 matches with each and every character online.
Only then do you pick your favorite. Don't go by tiers, go by who is fun to use and who you feel you can play for a couple hundred hours. If that character just so happens to be a high tier character, you're lucky.
After this find a 101 video on fighting games so you can learn shit like hitboxes and whatnot and then look at the highest rated tutorials on how to use your character.
Go back online with what you've learned, periodically revisiting those videos and implementing them. Add videos like common matchups and tournament fights to your repertoire. Rinse and repeat until those combos are fucking muscle memory and you can counter bullshit in your sleep and then when you feel like you're done with the online scrubs, join a local tournament or something. IRL fighting game scene is all but dead still you might have to take a day off and drive a bit for it.

>>714855734
Personally love the game. Don't really understand why people call it boring when at the end of the day, most fighting games all fall into the same category of flowchart combos and oki, where the only expression is in actual player choice. Maybe it's the visuals?

>>714868442
It’s because it’s the most flowchart game ever

Start watching videos of your matches. Look for any punishable habits you have and stop them. The best way to get good at fighting games in my opinion is to become unpredictable

>be me
>retard
>playing against faggot
>know hes gonna jump
>he knows I know hes gonna jump
>know he knows i know hes gonna jump
>he jumps
>still fail my AA

>>714868546
Replay takeover is a huge fucking help

>>714868483
Literally every fighter in existence that doesn't have a method for the opponent to interact and even then it still matters somewhat for burst. By this logic, the best fighting games are Smash and KI.

>>714868146
>CvS2
Horrible character balance
>KOFXV
Horrible character balance
>3rd Strike
Horrible character balance

>>714868442
>no combo variety
>terrible system mechanics
>no mechanics that reward defense
>tiny ass stages so every combo is a corner carry
>movement feels like shit
Game's boring as hell

>>714868442
>characters all have the same-ish dash normals and proximity normals
>combo structure ends up being similar as a result
>similar inputs for specials on most characters
I'd probably like it a lot if it actually pushed the enveloppe towards making the characters feel more unique

>>714868995
lets not pretend other fgs have wildly different inputs for specials between characters

>>714868804
>>no combo variety
I have the gal right here for you.

>>714869184
She's button > special like every single character in the game

>>714868804
>no combo variety
Literally incorrect, there is decent combo variety

>terrible system mechanics
subjective, but I agree in regards to refunds on meter and BC existing in the state it does

>no mechanics that reward defense
this irks me too

>tiny ass stages so every combo is a corner carry
stages are fine, it's that everyone gets meter like crazy that keeps the combo going forever

>movement feels like shit
i disagree


>>714868995
>characters all have the same-ish dash normals and proximity normals
incorrect, even without bringing up the different bodied characters, I can look at many different characters for differences

>combo structure ends up being similar as a result
combo structure easily changes based on situations, especially in regards to links and frame data

>similar inputs for specials on most characters
inputs have minimal effect at the end of the day. everyone could have pretzel inputs and you'd still bemoan them being similar. i miss the quirks of different inputs but it's not necessary for a fun game.

>>714869401
>She's button > special like every single character in the game
wait till you learn about other fighters

how fighting games are hard bro you just press buttons

>the year is 2025
>no game has ever topped 3rd strike
>all new games add unnecesary layers of gimmicks, systems, meters, gauge, bars, points, whatever bullshit in order to artifically increase the difficulty

I just wish we had a game like 3rd strike with many more characters

>>714869867
Sf4, third strike was the worst. Didn’t even have most of the street fighter characters.

>>714869958
i think sfiv was worse than 3rd strike at everythng
the only thing it was better at was, as you said, the characters, which is precisely the desire I expressed in the post you're replying to

>>714869623
>Literally incorrect, there is decent combo variety
>wait till you learn about other fighters
I'm assuming you don't play other fighters yourself. I can't think of a single other fighter where everyone's combo structure is exactly the same.
>stages are fine, it's that everyone gets meter like crazy that keeps the combo going forever
Stages are not fine, they're small as shit. If you lose a single interaction at mid-screen or round start then you're in the corner.
>i disagree
And I disagree with you. Moving around in that game feels sluggish as shit, almost DNF Duel levels of terrible.

>>714869401
>She's button > special like every single character in the game
As opposed to what? Button button button button button button?
Do not run away from the most technical character in the game.

>>714870121
I'm not saying GBVSR has amazing combo variety, but it's not JUST autocombo into the same special. That's just a flagrant lack of knowledge of the game. I DO play other games, played +R, Xrd, Strive, BBCF, KOFs, Garou, etc. It's just stupid to say Granblue is the same all the time, when that's literally every other game with their own niches in how they handle specifics in design. It's just stupid to ignore facts.

>>714870154
Using a variety of normals, command normals and specials in a combo. But Granblue has that shitty auto-combo system and no command normals.

>>714859364
>Any of yall wanna play some +R
I can but i only have a few hours in the game

>>714859364
i can play too!!!

>>714870739
Can't help you about the command normals (outside of 2U, 2H), but Zeta special cancels a lot and also cancels into specials from specials.

>>714870154
>Do not run away from the most technical character in the game.
lol picrel is considered ooga booga character for retards and she has more sauce going on than zeta

>>714870762
I’m curious if he is truly happy. Does he have much else going for him? His book read like a weird fiction so I don’t even really know if he has any proper family that give a shit.

>>714870483
And if you actually play those games that you say you play, you'd easily see how boring Granblue's combos are. it's a fact that 95% of Granblue combos has the exact same structure. Normal > Special > Normal > Special > Normal > Special
It's boring has shit, and it is only exacerbated by the game having boring as shit characters.
>>714870908
Crouch attacks are not command normals anon.
And i did play the spear girl, the only special into special cancels i remember doing was those busted ass blue attacks.

>>714865040
>quartercircle kick usually does the movement special because you run with your legs
perfectly logical

>>714855382
this is not true. modern fighting games have degenerated so far that all the the old players are washed up since legacy skills and knowledge has been phased out. you can be a fucking nobody and beat legendary names in new games because all skill has been replaced by guessing and random unreactables.

now, if you wanted to play an old game? different story. you'll never measure up to the big dogs unless you truly have heart and the time. perhaps not even then because there's just not enough community and competition around to train with.

>>714871928
>quartercircle punch does a shorter version of the movement special because you can't run as fast with your hands
brilliant

I like less combo heavy games like soulcalibur

>>714872020
kek

fgc niggas like to complain about muh combo variety and muh player expression yet everyone plays Nickelodeon Fighter 6 while games like BBCF or UNI are dead in the water

>>714872382
>i like 3d partymashers where you dont need to hit confirm into anything

>>714872529
>BBCF or UNI are dead in the water
wrong

>>714872557
Correct.

>>714872529
>Everyone plays the new shit instead of the old shit
This has been the case for every single fucking fighting game for decades. What a worthless and retarded post.

>>714872904
same to be honest fuck tourneyfags thinking every fightng game should be solved like its their homework

>>714872926
so nobody gives a fuck about variety and player expression like they claim
thanks from proving my point, fucking retarded mutt
now shut your mouth

>>714872529
The only sensible middle ground is actually Strive, which has variable routing without devolving into 20 hits combo off a jab

>>714871576
It's not boring as shit just because it's simple, because simplifying it down to 'normal then special then normal then special' would be the same as saying KOF is 'normals then special then special then special then special' with maybe an ex inbetween.

I can't imagine the thought process that needs to justify a game being good or bad based on combos being easier or harder.

Also
>And i did play the spear girl, the only special into special cancels i remember doing was those busted ass blue attacks.

It's called a link. If you don't even know what that means for combos, why are you moaning about granblue combos

>>714861039
Hi Gouken

>>714873110
No, people prefer new thing over old thing.
BBCF and UNI player also drop the old game the instant the new game comes out.

guys im gonna grub

>>714854631 (OP)
By start sucking tits

>>714854631 (OP)
you dont

>>714854631 (OP)
If you have bad reaction time, you are fucked regardless. Your biology won't be capable of competing.

However, assuming you are biologically capable - you can learn optimal positioning and what to do in a specific situation and how to predict what your opponents are going to do next.

Will we ever reach a point where the connections don't hold us back? Rollback is a good change, but all it does is make current connections more consistent.

When will global connections no longer hold games back in general?

Sucking Chun lis but cheeks

>>714873397
It's boring as shit because it's all homogenised. I never said it was boring because it was simple, simple does not mean everything is the same. The combo structure is the same. The pressure was just that dash attack. Everyone gets metre super fast. Everyone corner carries from the slightest touch. It's like playing Divekick, with a bunch of different skins.
>It's called a link. If you don't even know what that means for combos, why are you moaning about granblue combos
I know what a link is retard, you're the one who said she had special into special cancels, when she doesn't. The blue attack combo is the closest she has.

What fighting game has sol badguy

>>714876475
Granblue Fantasy Versus Rising.

>>714875840
The only thing devs can do to improve global connections is to setup more servers to help with data transfer. Besides that, it's down to individual country infrastructure. Japan's infrastructure is very good, which is why jap devs didn't give a shit about rollback for so long.

>>714876475
they just added Sol Badguy to Strive

>>714877690
Why is Eighting so obsessed with OTGs?

>>714872529
Do you get mad when people don't wanna play and rightfully ignore games with some shitty extra mechanics that most people don't want to deal with in other genres too? Like why the fuck would you expect an anime game to be popular unless it has near Tekken tier simplicity like strive or complete gacha retard simplicity like granblue? What reality are you living in?

>>714875969
I didn't say she had special to special cancels but I'll take the mistake on ripping with that.

And you unironically fell for the 66L pressure meme. Yeah it's strong, but if you throw it out meaninglessly, the only people you hit are idiots and it's not the be all end all of pressure.

And what do you mean by homogenised. It sounds like you keep coming up with different words to say you don't like GBVSR combo structure when challenged on it. Every single fighting game has some level of homogeneity. I'd need you to properly explain what you mean with examples because as it stands I'm either missing what you are saying or you are saying stuff just because it's a challenge on the game.

You say the game has strong corner carry, when most characters in the game, par for a few, have to spend resources to even get a corner that goes half the screen and leaves them a screen away. You literally do not play the game if you complain about the corner carry on anyone not Beatrix or Katalina.

>>714876475
bb

>>714866818
j.B has a shit ton of untech time on it so you can take it very slow if you need to. The DP input at the end is also good for teaching you to abuse the input buffer as you should be inputting it as the j.B is coming out.

>>714854631 (OP)
Learn when to mash jab and learn when to mash grab

>>714854631 (OP)
>Start playing fighting games
>Suck ass
>Improve a little bit
>Improve a lot
>"Holy fuck I got gud at fighting games!"
>Someone else shows up who's better than you and flattens you
>Go back to sucking ass
Repeat until forever or you get good enough to be a world class player.
You could also just use cheats but that makes you a giant faggot.

Granblue fags never failing to immediately start whining in a fg thread just because people don't bring up their forgettable game is the funniest shit. Right next to most people then explaining why, because it's TOO FUCKING BORING AND TOO SIMPLE, and them being unable to understand every single time as if they have zero experience with any other fighting game.

>>714878193
I am assuming you are >>714870908 because you quite literally said she cancels specials into specials.
>And what do you mean by homogenised. It sounds like you keep coming up with different words to say you don't like GBVSR combo structure when challenged on it.
ESL? I have maintained that Granblue's combos is boring and homogenised since my first post. How many times do I have to post button > special for you to understand something so simple?
> Every single fighting game has some level of homogeneity. I'd need you to properly explain what you mean with examples because as it stands I'm either missing what you are saying or you are saying stuff just because it's a challenge on the game.
Do you even play this game yourself? Yes, every fighting game has some level of homogeneity, but Granblue is the outlier. 95% of combos are literally structured the same. You hit your opponent, then cancel that normal into a special, then hit them with a normal again, then a special and repeat. Every single character plays like this because you can't cancel normals into other normals and the game has no command normals.
>You say the game has strong corner carry, when most characters in the game, par for a few, have to spend resources to even get a corner that goes half the screen and leaves them a screen away. You literally do not play the game if you complain about the corner carry on anyone not Beatrix or Katalina.
And as a Granblue player said earlier, the game shits out resources, so that's a non-issue. And even if your combo doesn't take them directly to the corner, they will still be bouncing against the wall within one interaction anyway.
I truly have no idea why you're acting as if I have some personal vendetta against the game. Everything I dislike about the game are also things a vast majority of people who dropped the game or have no interest in the game dislike about it.

>>714879524
Most grand pooers are actually rejects, many of which came from Smash and SoulCalibur, that couldn't make it in other fighting games. Imagine being filtered by Strive and Dix KEK

>>714879524
If you namedrop a bunch of currently played fighting games, you might as well also name the one that sits among the top 5 when it comes to player numbers. It's just fair.

i'm tired of training room fighters

>>714869958
3S is literally the best SF game.
Fags like you are why every fucking entry has to have the 8 SF2 characters.
We don't need another game with Dhalsim or Honda.

>>714879524
>and them being unable to understand every single time as if they have zero experience with any other fighting game.
its a retirement home game.

>>714880023
Granblue isn't in the top 5 though?

>>714880091
stop playing with sweats

>>714879768
I probably came off needlessly antagonistic, my apologies.

As for homogeneity, only saying 'normal special' as the problem is just a non answer. Is KOF bad for special into special? There's no actual discussion as to what makes granblue wrong that's fine with other games. This goes for every argument made against it other than it's simplicity. All I get is comments on granblue without comparisons to other games because any comparisons get thrown out the window when other games are also button into special.

This is all just one bad faith argument.

>>714880529
Well damn, it used to be.
I blame the horses.

>>714880182
Sim and Blanka in SF6 are super fun and some of the most unique characters, they can stay. Honda can buttslam off a cliff though, fuck him.

>>714854631 (OP)
Well first you have to get your mouth off her ass.

The rest should come naturally.

>>714878406
Rachel isn't "stacked"

>>714855734
I like it better that way. Rising is a fun and niche game with a tight community and I would prefer it if the insufferable fighting game community and eceleb grifters stayed away

>>714861636
How would your faggot zoomer ass even know? It's a decade older than you are, minimum.

>>714880023
It's not top 5 and people aren't doing it for no reason or out of spite. The game is genuinely just that fucking unremarkable that most forget it exists. Wouldn't be surprised if for most it's like my experience where I completely forget the game is even a thing until some fuck brings it up in these threads.

Every 66L should have like 5-10f more whiff recovery

>>714880960
she has monster thunder thighs under that dress though

>>714881267
Drop the game, idiot

>>714881150
>that most forget it exists
That anon mentioned games that are even deader and more reviled than Rising, to the point that it feels like you fags have a genuine agenda.

>>714854631 (OP)
By playing them.
I don't know why the fuck people here pretend it's some mystical shit that's beyond human comprehension.
You fucking play the games.

>>714881358
I feel like what I said is pretty lukewarm

>>714880182
Cut the revisionist crap. 3S is good despite its roster, not because of it. I like Ibuki and Dudley as much as the next guy, but SFIII The Next Generation was objectively worse off without the world warriors that people grew to love during the II and Alpha series.

>>714880625
I've never played KoF, so I can't comment on it. The problem is that every character structures their combo that way in Granblue.
Let's look at BBCF. Hakumen can structure his combos similar to Granblue. He can land hit, cancel into one of his specials, yada yada. But Hakumen is also unique in that he can cancel his specials into specials. So he can land a hit, cancel into a special, cancel into a special again, use a normal, special, normal, etc. You can also get into his install that gives him unlimited metre for a brief period of time, so can just keep cancelling specials into to specials.
Then there is a character like Izanami, who can float, which allows her to use ground normals in the air. Her combo structure is completely different from Hakumen, in that you don't want to be cancelling into specials constantly, instead you want to be constantly switching between ground and float combos that almost entirely consist of normals and command normals. Then when you get them into the corner you can start throwing out specials. She also has a unique mechanic, her drive, that allows her to use projectiles without having to do an animation, so they just come out while she's attacking you mid-combo. Those projectiles have special variants too, which means that if she's was correct stance before starting the combo, she can incorporate those projectile specials into her combo, which allows for more unique combos.
Now compare what I just said to Granblue. Is there any character in Granblue, who doesn't follow the normal > special > normal > special combo structure?

>mfw i get btfo even by the lowest ranked people in Rising
its over?
I cant do shit i just mash buttons and special hoping something connect

>>714881596
Combos are usually the least interesting part of a game to me but I really don’t like how granblue juggles feel

>>714880182
>3s is heckin epic
>tanked the series for a decade

Depends on what you define as "sucking ass".
Most fighting games end up dying out because there'd be monsters running around in online play.
The ones who quit will think they just "suck ass" and leave.
Then the monsters in online play will fight the tournament goers at offline meets who only play offline and always lose.
These netplay demons will then quit because they think they just "suck ass".
Now you're left with the tournament goers who only play offline who will form their own power struggles with each other, leaving the game to die and eventually leaving the game all-together once a clear consistent winner appears, think they "suck ass".

>>714881694
Sometimes, it's just one of these days.

>>714881694
>i just mash buttons

>>714881694
Which character are you using?

>>714881694
Play a better fighting game and learn from your mistakes. Even a bad fighting game will help you more than Grand Poo

>>714868442
I love rising and have to main 4 different characters to actually feel like I'm finding out new tech.
I mained Katalina when it launched and even after dropping the game for 6 months, I knew all my combos when coming back because kat has genuinely 5 combos at max. There is no tech in rising that isn't character specific and there are like 7 characters with actual tech: grim, rat, narm, zeta, abel, nia and sandy.
Every other character can be played with one gameplan and that's it.

>>714882067
Soriz
Supposedly many of his attacks have plus frames and the whole gameplay relies around 'just mashing' but I keep getting btfo
I think i won like 2 games of all ive played (bout 20)

>>714855553
>Injustice 2
Anon, that is one of the shittiest fighting games out there. It’s even mogged by the original.

>>714881825
I'm a combo guy myself, so combos are really important to me. I love practicing difficult combos or trying to come up with new ones before bed, it helps me relax.
Granblue's jugggles have a hard built-in limit, so that's probably why you don't like them.

>>714882134
>There is no tech in rising that isn't character specific
There was.
>>714882256
Soriz has plus frames out of the arse, you are probably unaware about when your turn ends. You should check for that and continue with frame traps instead of mashing the next move.

>>714881506
Again, those game are still more REMARKABLE than granblue which doesn't standout even compared to modern fighting games hence people not mentioning or even thinking about it even if just to put it with games that aren't considered good. It's not an agenda and not a matter of being deader or less/more reviled it's a matter of
>this game really doesn't have anything interesting so my brain and subconscious is gonna forget about it the same way it would some random guy I saw walking 8 years ago.

>>714880182
>No Guile
>No Bison
If it didn’t have street fighter in the title you’d think it was a different series with a few sf guests

>>714882256
Oh he's not that mash friendly, people just exaggerate shit a lot of the time because it's a character they don't like playing against, there are plenty more actual mash friendly characters in the game like Gran, Beatrix and Cag just to name a few. Instead of mashing though you should learn the fundamentals and frame traps and try playing more patiently, develop a gameplan and don't just pray for things to work.

>>714881694
imagine getting blue rank in grubble those specimens needs to be studied

>>714880625
The average corner combo for any rising character is starter > wall bounce special > cH > fireball/lariat special > cH > RS > cHH > U spe/SBA
This is optimal for most most characters and rarely anyone stray from just juggling with cH after special, only 2 exceptions are narmaya and avatar belial.
The 11 points limit is so restrictive and uninuitive you see many top players drop at least 1 combo per set, check any replay channel.

>>714881596
Alright. Now this I can discuss.

Straight up, there is nothing as diverse in GBVSR as there is in even BBCT back in 2008. Even comparing GBVSR to SNK games as a whole, SNK games have a unique special juggling system whereas Rising has air recovery on normals and combo limit to prevent too much exploration.

Everything Granblue does is in terms of its simplicity, there's no character who will be from a different game. However, in that simplicity, I find enjoyment in the minutiae of how the characters work and how they work towards their gameplan as well as the slower paced feel overall.

If that simplicity is not for you, that's absolutely fine. Whilst their is more to combos than pressing normal into special into normal into special, simply preferring more technical games is great. Playing CF as my first game years ago, learning Hakumen, even performing tk.j.214B felt great.

So yes, Granblue is homogeneous. But only in the way combos are performed, not the result. Even looking up my main, there's a video made by one of the /gbvsg/ anons that contains hard to read side swap combos, strong corner carry and mixups.

I'll continue enjoying Rising and CF, because both of those games are fun to me. And if you don't want to enjoy Granblue because it doesn't appeal, that's fine. That's just a matter of taste.

>Love fighting games
>Broke my hand a few months ago
>Can't play during the healing process obviously
>Nowadays I can't move my thumb any direction without it "snapping" like the tendon is getting caught on something
I've never been more depressed about games in my life.

>>714882440
>which doesn't standout even compared to modern fighting games
What a weird criterion is this? There are people that like this game, love this game, and there are various reasons for that. Those range from the presentation to the roster over to simplicity, even being a 2.5D fighting game sitting right between SF and crazier anime games. And you may not like what Rising does, but "not standing out" is really debatable and it's not a reason for why one should exclude it. Rising is not just a barebones copy of anything that already exist in this complete package.
What pisses me off about your non-logic is the idea that someone might just enter the thread with a mild interest in fighting games, and deciding to check one out based on what you post. And Rising might be exactly what he's looking for. He might not care about "standing out", but care about all the other aspects it has to offer. And it has stuff to offer. You might not like these aspects, which is fair enough, but some people do.
Being so fixated to deliberately avoid mentioning Rising because of that one criterion is weird, dumb, and I just think you have an agenda. Maybe just mention it with an off-hand joke, can't be this difficult.

I wanna try Tekken again but I just chimp out after back to back losses.

>>714883225
that's really sad
is there any other controller option which may work for you?

>>714883225
You should see a doctor about it, that could be worse than just games.

>3s fags neverending seethe towards the world warriors
>especially towards Honda, dhalsim and blanka
Comedy gold. Especially with how most people clearly don't mind them and how Capcom clearly loves them and basically memory holes any game without those 3 on release due to most of them failing.

>>714882992
If that simplicity is for you, then you need to sit down and ask yourself if this genre is really for you

>>714883391
The new Tekken x Atelier collab is so fucking funny. Tekken is just an experiment to see how much shit people are willing to eat with a smile.

>>714883491
JP is the best newcomer in 6, I hope he comes back.

>>714883491
fuck the triumvirate of eternal roster hogging

>>714854810
ass fucking is literally what sodomy means you hypocrite

>>714883491
blanka and dhalsim fill infinitely more unique gameplay functions than the dogshit people beg for like....... makoto and........ alex, who got in sf6 after elena and the SNK shitters

>>714883608
JP is baller but why is he so fucking ripped
Dude is roided the fuck out

behead all grubblers with a katana

>>714883761
Psycho steroids

>>714882992
>I'll continue enjoying Rising and CF, because both of those games are fun to me. And if you don't want to enjoy Granblue because it doesn't appeal, that's fine. That's just a matter of taste.
Well, yeah, that's all that I was saying. Someone asked why people don't like Granblue and I gave my reasoning.
>Fellow Hakubro
Based.

Fighting games were never about combos.
If anything, combos are the most single player thing in fighting games, to the point that they have to implement mechanics to circumvent that.

I hope all eight world warriors return in SFVII

>>714883976
My fun > your fun.

>>714883976
You know who says this? People who get comboed.

>>714883354
>deliberately avoid mentioning Rising
How are you reading my posts and not understanding that I am saying people ARE NOT deliberately avoiding mentioning rising? The original didn't mention rising not because of some agenda because he'd just put it with the bad games he was mentioning there if he hated it, he just fucking forgot about it like I am saying most people unconsciously do.

>hakumen

it's so fucking sad how they are killing tekken. I can't bear to see a franchise I once loved so much turn into this steaming pile of dogshit
fuck harada and fuck namco

>>714883976
They’re important but focusing primarily on optimizing them when learning is a noob trap

>>714883761
You think a man that worked as a money guy for evil ass bison who attracted strong and power hungry madmen to shadaloo like crazy wouldn't be jacked?

>>714854631 (OP)
Is that chunners from fortnite?

thoughts on my blazblue plastic shopping bag

>>714884616
CUTE!

>>714884616
Very nice. I miss BlazBlue Radio

>>714883976
So why does nobody play Samsho or Soul Calibur?
>>714884508
Holy KINO! Tardna needs to learn some restraint.

>>714884616
I like the little Terumi and Hazama

>>714884590
He's bigger than Mister Bison

>>714854631 (OP)
practice your combos, get max damage on every opening. neutral will come gradually as you play once people respect your punish

>>714884616
I like how the top half is a bunch of irrelevant characters. No idea why Carl isn't also up there though.

>>714884928
Based. Neutral is a meme, just always fish for your best combo starter instead of respecting the opponent.

>>714884928
>>714885072
Combos are your reward for winning neutral, that's how I see it.

>>714885325
so why would you take a smaller reward when a bigger one is available? In terms of getting better, becoming an execution god who does huge damage every time they win neutral is a much more tangible pathway to success early on than getting better at neutral. You just have to sit in training mode and get your muscle memory down. If you're serious about getting better it's the low hanging fruit, everything else is much more hard won.

>>714884847
Anon he absolutely isn't. Even if he was see, Balrog and Sagat. Having people as big as if not bigger than himself is nothing new for bison.

>>714885524
this dude doesnt play fgs
everyone much rather stick to the good ol faithful bnb and winning neutral every time than 'muh heckin ebic combo' that they drop 10% of the time

>>714869867
>the year is 2025
>no game has ever topped 3rd strike
If 3rd Strike is the best FG then this really is a kusogenre

>>714886178
depends on the game really, some games it really is worth just sitting in training mode and grinding out the max damage stuff because they genuinely do make a huge difference. In other games being able to do the optimal combos instead of some bnb shit barely improves your probability of actually winning rounds

at the very least you need to be able to do the bnbs in a lot of games though, there's SOME amount of combo grinding that will go a long way in basically every game, and lots of beginners don't realise that. Yeah eventually there's diminishing returns, but there's a lot of value to be gained before that point

>>714886051
He's an accountant, not a boxer or a muay thai fighter

>>714886561
>there's SOME amount of combo grinding that will go a long way in basically every game, and lots of beginners don't realise that.
I feel like it at least USED TO BE the opposite way. Beginners would only care about getting combos off until recently people started telling them "combos are le bad actually and you shouldn't learn them"

>>714886264
>then this really is a kusogenre
There is no bigger kusogenre than fighting games. They cost nothing to produce, have the same gameplay since 1991 and recycle everything from characters, to move, to stages in the last 30 years.
When either capcom, bandai, warner or arcsys try to innovate they get shat on.
It's a genre for pure autists who lose their shit when they just see dr doom just doing a grab, just see marvel tokon trailer.
The best fgs are all big kusos, heritage for the future, ggXX, mvc2 and of course kami strike.

>>714872529
Most people don't give a fuck about combo variety. I would even say combo variety is a negative overall because very few people actually want to sit in training mode and learn a bunch of long ass difficult combos. Player expression is also just a meaningless term and always has been.

The people you're hearing complain are twitter and youtube fags that barely play themselves.

>>714885524
I think this is a valid strategy against players that are worse than you but you need to know when to play reserved and when to play like an ape. If you're against a player that can't confirm into meaningful damage to punish you, a damage race is almost always in your favor and helps to greatly reduce your mental stack. Against a worse player, you also have the benefit of more game knowledge in general which helps you to deal with their offense better. If the opponent shows they're capable of punishing that type of play, you need to begin to play more reserved and actually engage in a neutral game against them.

>>714887159
see picrel (thumbnail of a ytube sf6 beginner guide)

>>714887623
whoops

>>714883976
Combos are why I play fighting games.

>>714870762
man... even a cyclist ieats better than that, in the middle of a fucking race.
i mean, dude is "pro" gamer, he should be looking for his health at least.

>>714876831
>Japan's infrastructure is very good, which is why jap devs didn't give a shit about rollback
It's mainly the fact that their country is tiny for the population size. My state is nearly twice as big as Japan with like 1/30th of the population. I still got great connections with other people here but there just weren't enough. The distance between Japan and Korea is about the same as the distance between me and a friend in a neighboring state. Our connection to each other wasn't very good despite both of us having great internet and, shocker, you'd see JP and KR players reject connections between each other until rollback came along. The entirety of the US could have flawless fiber connections and delay-based would still suck ass here. I don't understand why people act like it's just an infrastructure problem. I hate ISPs as much as the next guy but you can't act like it's their fault that objectively dogshit, lazy netcode doesn't work outside of the most ideal conditions possible.

>>714883225
Maybe try keyboard/leverless then? You can just keep your thumb over jump or even use wasd and not use it at all. I'd also recommend telling a doctor specifically about that if you haven't.

Is skullgirls still active these days on steam?

>>714889696
lol

>>714887964
>posts combo that he didnt do

>>714858053
I prefer to feed and seed the ass, personally.
t. Sneedomite

>>714890093
imagine just lifting that skirt and sniffing her butthole

>>714889927

>>714856710
>Parries
Parries are kino and the only good gimmick Capcom has ever put in a SF game.
>dogshit character balance
Unironically true. You can play whoever you want, but there's a reason why you only ever see the same four or five characters in play. Don't even get me started on Chun. I like Chun, I think she's fun, but I feel like a tool whenever I play her.
>b-but her tech is hard
Yes, but her buttons are just too good. Even at low level play, she's still OP. Not bullshit, but still leagues above the rest of the cast.

To add to this: a dogshit roster as well. I don't hate it, 3rd Strike gives us a lot of cool fan favorites, but I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't rewrite history in a heartbeat and have SFIII with the classic characters + the cooler 3rd Strike characters as newcomers. Literally the only reason they didn't do that was because they were too scared to follow up SFII.

>>714887724
I think SF is one of the games where this actually applies and is probably a big part of why it's popular. You can get to a decent level without worrying about combos very much at all and just playing the game. Just button>special>cancel into lvl 3 if you got it. I think in a lot of other games you feel the need much quicker to put a decent amount of time in training mode and ensure you can get proper value out of your moves and punish people for ungaing at you.

>>714889696
It gets at least 200+ players daily so there's gotta be at least one guy playing it

>>714885513
why didnt max just chinger changer nigger dagger

>>714891443
that costs 100 tension

>>714867594
So... this is the power of Street Fighter 6?

still waiting for COTW to go on sale for 20 bucks

>>714892765
Probably going to take like 3 years
Or maybe just 1

Chun-Li-san's oketsu oishii~

>>714892809
it's not fucking selling but those retards refuse to discount it
all fighting games are on sale right now on steam actually except for any SNK game

>>714893064
Kami Fighter 6 isn't on sale

>>714893426
They also just lowered the price to like $40 for the base version.

Is Tekken 8 better now?
Can I get into it now?

>>714858098
The Granblue Problem

>>714883514
Cornball answer

>>714898380
All that Soshiki pan...

>>714897887
You'll have to wait till Tekken 9 and hope they don't fuck it up again blud. But even then you won't know if they won't randomly kill the game with a retarded update after release. Maybe they'll pull a WoW and start hosting "Tekken 8 Classic" servers at some point, of course in exchange for a generous monthly subscription.

>>714858753

>>714897887
Get into SoulCalibur VI instead.

melty blood aacc lobby open,
go easy i am not that good i play scrub f moon chars
5862, us might be too far

>>714870739
You never got past cXXX>special>cXXX>Super. Explains everything. both hlarious and sad.

>>714854631 (OP)
Suck white girls assholes instead

>>714854631 (OP)
I just keep sucking ass and eventually I do cool things in a match.

>>714867764
not even him but i agree so sure
>3s
parry fundamentally changes how SF is played. it's not a street fighter game. the top tiers are beyond imba (at least claw/boxer/sim had some match ups where they had to work for it in 2x, chun and yun just dominate the entire game).
>sf6 is filled with bad mechanics, like every SF game post 2x, the difference being that the core game isn't fun enough to look past them
>Tekken is fun when it's about backdashing and electrics.. it hasn't been about that in over 25 years
>CVS2 has the most obnoxious top tiers in FG history, K groove is gay, A groove (despite the execution) is gay, Rollcancel sucks to contend with. but the game NEEDS it because without it K groove is uncontested.

anyone would like to try street fighter alpha 3 hack that mixes darkstalkers and kof together?
it requires special emulator but does have rollback,
someone pleaseeeeeeee

>>714885524
Because it’s boring as shit and causes quick burnout

>>714861039
>never got bored of 4
>never got bored of 5
>play 10 matches, immediately bored of 6 after
that's how I knew it was shit

>>714899068
I'm thinking about getting it since it's cheap. Is it easy to find people in-game?

>>714900083
filename

>>714880529
Where the fuck are Shin Nihon Kikaku (SNK) games?

>>714899094
Combo limit means exploration is meaningless

>>714900447
Doesn't seem that bad. Are you speaking from experience or are you just numbers posting?

>>714854631 (OP)
I want to suck on those asscheeks.

Why am I even in this thread I fucking hate fighting games.

>>714900570
such old games with a low population is probably the worst idea for getting in as a new player
you wont find anyone with your skill level, you will get stomped and will quit

>>714854631 (OP)
If I’m a newfag to sf6 do I pick classic controls if I hope to be good one day?

>>714900569
That's somehow even more retarded.

Fighting games should add a feature, where you can strip your opponent naked if you defeat them.

>>714899849
the question wasn't "how do I have fun playing fighting games" it was "how do I stop sucking ass"

getting gud often involves doing boring things. Getting gud isn't purely sunshine and rainbows and funtimes

if getting gud was purely funtimes and happiness then everyone would go through it and end up equally good. Some people have the discipline and work ethic to work through difficult and boring and frustrating things if it means they get better by doing so.

Sometimes learning a combo is just worth it on the other side too even if it's boring drilling the muscle memory, because it feels great when you bust it out on someone

>>714901328
The first fighting game I ever bought was +R so I'm used to getting stomped.

>>714900083
we have resident sc groomer here he can play with you anytime

I feel bad for the nice anon who argued with the larping retard.

fighting game characters for this feel?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pju_J4U73DY

>>714901745
I can still find occasional noobs on +R, and it's pretty easy to find a game since the matchmaking/lobby system is pretty good. Can't speak on SCVI since I've only ever played it with a buddy, but it doesn't even have rollback.

>>714902416
but are you gonna tell me how good r+ netcode and matchmaking is?

>>714902259

>>714901348
You should because they’re generally better, and if you play any other fighting game you’ll have an easier time transferring the muscle memory to it.

>>714867594
Honda is the most dishonest character in the entire game. And that's saying something considering Ken exists.

>>714890680
Parries are not kino and simplify the game into two states: RPS faggotry or OS faggotry

Neither are engaging whatsoever.

>>714899652
3S is the true litmus test to tell if someone knows what the fuck they are talking about. Casuals and wanna be secret club fags gas up 3S for le epic daigo parry, people who actually play fighting games know that shit is mega ass, there’s a reason it almost killed the franchise

>>714904175
>most dishonest character
considering theres no 'true honest' since slime exists...
>in a game where JP exists
>in a game where Mai exists
>in a game where Rashid exists
>in a game where shotos exist
TOP KEK

>>714904007
why not just make everyone buttons work the same

>>714887724
>>714890873
lol
lmao
>you can get to a decent level without worrying about combos
Disingenuous FGC with their bullshit lines never fails to amuse me. You cannot get to the higher ranks without combos unless you're playing as one of the unga bunga shotos who can get by on their fundamentals and utterly insane prioritized specials that override everything. Or Guile. Guile can just sit there in the corner and not move because he's literally just a fucking sentinel in fighting game form. For all other cases, and for those of us living in reality, here's how it actually goes:

Capcom specifically designed Modern controls precisely because people were having trouble with combos and cancelling into special attacks. So, Modern Controls being a thing in Ranked not only precludes your argument, it renders any notion to the contrary null and void. But let's go a step further. Even without Modern Controls, one cannot get to Platinum without combos. Period.
>b-but, just anti-air
Once again, not all of us are basic bitches who play Ryu and Ken every Street Fighter. Some of us don't have reliable anti-airs, and some of us can't take off an opponents health bar with one simple jump-in and two medium punches.

>>714904397
Okay, but this exact situation was present in SFV. and in SFIV

>>714904504
Nice strawman
>Why not make certain characters just....insanely better than others for no reason whatsoever?
That should be the question you should be asking

>>714904175
they gave the game an entire block button and people will still not figure out how to block mids

>>714905163
why chun doesnt have lvl2 install super but juri has one omg

>>714905197
Except, his attacks have literally ZERO startup frames, ZERO recovery frames, and basically, he's safe on everything. He's a legacy in all respects. And that is a massive double-edged sword. He's a relic of a bygone age, in which arcades were meant to siphon quarters from gullible, idiot kids.

>>714905341
false equivalence

>>714905424
nigger that's a 10f mid in a game with 7-8f cancellable lows

>>714868220

This is legit advice follow it

I would say Smash has a pretty good active community I always see tourneys either at the library or local DnD store where I live.

>>714905495
And guess what my main's normal frames are? -11. -10, etc. This is what I've been saying. Game is imbalanced as fuck.

you bum ass mashing niggas would never take a round off me in a real game like Ultimate Sonic Smackdown

>>714905424
Which 0F move does Honda have? Don't think he even has a 1F move.

Why do Rising players act like it's a league above the other modern games, when it checks all the boxes for modernslop?

>>714904931
>You cannot get to the higher ranks without combos unless
>unless
So, in other words, you can. And plenty of non-shotos also have their own advantages. Characters like JP, Honda, Blanka, Sim, will terrorize most players since they don't know how to deal with them. Grapplers like Lily and even Manon as well and they also benefit a lot from other players at lower ranks rarely punishing them as hard as they could or not having tight enough pressure. There's a reason all these characters have some of the highest winrates even for most of master rank.
>Even without Modern Controls, one cannot get to Platinum without combos
Bro, you literally do not need a better combo than button>special to hit master rank much less platinum. Trust me. Will it help? Certainly. But you don't need it.

>>714906413
It looks great.
It's lower on the scale of modern bullshit.
Simple as.

>>714905756
I'm looking at Honda's Frame data now. This dude legit has exponentially better frames than Juri in everything except heavy attacks, one medium attack, and that's it. Juri's frame data on block with her specials are so fucking BAD compared to Honda's, it's actually astounding.

>>714906428
Don't be a pedantic cunt.

>>714906546
Which ones have zero startup frames?

>>714906841
Honda can out poke her and pretty much always be safe

>>714906546
>This dude legit has exponentially better frames than Juri in everything except heavy attacks
what the fuck am I reading

>>714901672
Variable Geo

>>714906652
How am I being pedantic, nigger? You said people were being disingenuous while admitting it was possible with the most popular characters and then, after establishing that it was possible, I gave examples of other characters that destroy lower ranks just by the nature of their kit and statistically have some of the highest winrates until high MR. Sorry, bro, you are not stuck in gold because your combos aren't optimal.

>>714907436
I know Mai and Chun have had a rivalry for a long time, but why did she have to bring racism into it...

>>714859680
The pros are complaining that the game is too luck based where anyone could take a win from a dedicated pro player, the tournament results seem to confirm it because there are no dominant players in Street Fighter 6.

>>714907792
Last time I watched it Punk and Du were winning tns every week

>>714906413
So caught up in the way the game looks they became completely delusional about how retardproof and braindead the game actually is.

>>714907567
If you can only win without combos with the most broken characters, then the game is imbalanced.

So the game is either imbalanced with those characters, or you cannot win without combos without those characters. Take your fucking pick, pedantic fuck.

>>714907436
Stevie Wonder, get off 4chan.

>>714908083
Are you implying that Tampa never sleeps matters? Punk apparently called the game trash and the Japanese players said that the game is too kuso to pay for overseas flights to qualify for Capcom Pro Tour.

>>714908313
I got to masters with manon and the only bnb I knew was 5MP dr cancel 2MP 4HP hit grab, it’s very easy when you got fundies man even on dogshit characters

>>714908313
You think Lily, Honda, and Manon are broken, retard? You're not as good as you think you are.

>>714907567
>As long as you play as these designated characters characters, you should be alright.
If you're not being pedantic, you're still being disingenuous, nigger.

>>714908479
>grappler
lol
lmao

Next thing you're going to tell me is that you reached Legendary with Gief. Wow, that is truly a revelation for me. Just...the most amazing shock! Truly, I am surprised!

Isn't """Master""" in Dix like, Plat in SFV? kek

>>714908443
Good vid on the case of Street Fighter 6
https://youtu.be/8ZzQ1Nz3FjM?si=xXcTFKou3n24K9pz

>>714908642
All the grapplers suck in this game idk what you want me say

>>714908915
>All the grapplers suck
Are you taking the piss right now

>>714908443
Punk is a whiny faggot who calls every game trash when he gets his shit slapped in it, he said the same thing about SFV.
Don't get me wrong, this time he IS right but you should never use him specifically as an argument for or against anything.

>>714908738
>I think, I think, I think
>you know, you know, you know
>I feel like, I feel, I feel,
>stuff, stuff, stuff, stuff
>it's like, it's like, it's like
And dropped

>>714907792
But there are dominant players in SF6, many of them were dominant in SFV as well and continued on in this game.

>>714909073
Not an argument.

>>714909283
Ones with consistent tournament results who place first or second EVERY DAMN tournament?

Street Fighter 6 input reading is so bad... how is this game still having this issue? I've never had input reading this bad on any game, including Street Fighter games before SF6. It's just horrible. I've lost so many matches because the game does something completely different from what I input. It's been 2 years, how has this not been fixed?

>>714909372
I wasn't trying to argue against them, retard. Only reason I prefer SF6 over SFV is because Juri is F tier in SF5, compared to her being C tier in 6. I would have preferred SFV too if it hadn't been for my main having an identity crisis with each subsequent SF sequel.

>>714909634
OK retard.

>>714909768
THAT is not an argument

>>714909460
I don't know about that, I feel like that's a high bar that few people in most games meet. I know Leshar won Ceo and combo breaker in a row. I know Mena won Evo Japan two years in a row. I don't think there is anyone who meets that high a standard but I don't really see how it means there are no dominant players at all.

>>714909590
wtf i remember having an issue at launch with the hadoken and shoryuken inputs being mixed up
i would have to input my combos a fraction of a second slower or i'd get one special input instead of the other
never had that issue in sfv
glad to know it wasnt fixed kek

Does Centralfiction online have any new players to connect with? Or are there literally only D*scords

>>714910171
If any one player can't clearly be a dominant one that means that the game is too random. There are probably statistics of this.
Starcraft vets would know how consistent your wins would have to be for the game to not be kuso.

>>714910503
launch game and look for rooms with green and blue squares

play arcana heart

>>714910535
So what's "random" about SF6?

>>714908549
Where did I say that exactly? Did I not give examples of several other characters outside of shotos that can do very well at lower ranks without knowing combos? And hell, even if you were right and some characters need to spend time in training mode to hit...plat... (and I'm not saying you are before you try to twist my words) what the fuck are we even arguing about? People are being disingenuous and not living in reality because you can only take MOST characters in the game to a decent level without sitting in training mode? Are you arguing that's not a factor behind the game's popularity?
>>714908642
lmao, what character do you play that you think is responsible for you being in gold?

>>714910704
Drive rush and throw loops.

>>714910503
>have any new players to connect with?
Just dodge the ones with pink squares, some of them even use Cheatengine to change their square colors, btw the online system is garbage so good luck with it

>>714910684

>>714910885
lolis are the great filter against normalfags

>>714910815
How is drive rush random? There are established rules to how drive is gained and lost, and you can see both your opponents and your own drive. Throw loops are bad but there is nothing "random" about them. It's the opposite of random, it's the same outcome over and over again.

>>714910503
Yeah I see a bunch of white, green, and blue squares.

>>714910684
Okay, will you play if I make a room?

>>714911084
Challenging drive rush and challenging throw loops is super risky so pro players just won't. There should be more neutral and less neutral skips.

>>714910783
That's a loaded question.

>>714911084
It’s random because together they force an extremely degenerate 50/50 situation where you don’t get much reward for guessing correctly and get absolutely reamed for guessing incorrectly.

>>714911084
>>How is drive rush random?
The hurtboxes are pencil thin
Checking it behind a fireball is difficult
You can kill your momentum by whiffing jab to open up possible whiff punishes
You can kill your momentum and automatically get a whiff punish by cancelling into a special that moves your character, which also causes a crumple punish counter state and is safe on block
Checking it in general is difficult and unsafe in general because SF6 has very few disjoints and trading won't ever be in your favor

friend bought me persona 4 arena
what am i in for?

>>714908443
I don’t play it but the main complaint from pros is actually they can’t rig seeding anymore. Menard or whoever else it was went on a rant about how a random Ken should’ve been seeded differently because he actually labbed the Blanka matchup. A lot of pros are whiny faggots even if they’re good.

>>714911579
no because im going to bed

>>714912335
What the hell does that have to do with the criticism towards the game mechanics?

>>714912127
kusoge

>>714912436
I’m saying pros whining isn’t something to go by

>>714910885
You can tell they have a Bridget profile picture and their most played fighter is strive without checking

>>714912361
About the response I expected.

>>714854631 (OP)
The only person you need to defeat is your self.

>>714912484
What the fuck you talking about? If pros are criticizing the game for being random and casual friendly and them even pointing at the offending mechanics it's pretty much the truth of the matter. Randomness is bad for pro players but fun for shitters that like to skip neutral against a better player.

Sucking ass?

>>714872529
They want combo variety and player expression in the series they already play. SF players want SF4 without the 1f links and Tekken players want to go back to 5DR, Tag 2, or T7 depending on when they started. They won't ever pick up other fighting game series.
BBCF and UNI suffer from being anime fighters, the latter featuring several characters with full-screen normals that convert into big damage on top of everything else, so they will never be popular.

>>714912760
Hows the dick taste

>>714854631 (OP)
>How do stop sucking ass at fighting games
Practice. Practice. Practice.

>>714854631 (OP)
1. Stop taking showers
2. Be a nigger
3. Get zero pussy ever

>>714912923
It’s because no one actually likes basic BnBs taking 10 seconds to do

>>714913115
That's part of it, yes.

>>714912923
imo the bigger problem with uni is getting a 20 hit combo for 3k damage from a fucking jab

>>714913072
This might be the best advice you are going to get OP.

pull up and catch the fade bro

Capcom keeps buffing characters who don't need buffs while ignoring characters who actually need them.

>>714873172
I agree, actually. Combo variety only lasts up to “characters do different things when they hit you”. No one needs so much variety that there are 20 different strings to learn and they all feel completely different.

>>714914020
This assertion would hold true if it weren't for characters like Niggertaro, who can take off half your health bar with one heavy attack.

>>714914130
He’s the one character that can really do that. He’s basically a SamSho character and he’s definitely not a top tier anymore.

>game should return to neutral if i get hit
/v/ scrubquote of today

If any of you in this thread have reached your high rank in SF6 using Modern Controls, you can promptly shut the fuck up and stop doling out advice posthaste. You didn't reach that high rank. You didn't git gud. You have no skill to speak of.

>>714913614
These combos arent that hard..

>>714912451
so i should play junpei?

>>714914316
>he said, sarcastically

>>714914248
oh shit, maybe I should consider returning to Strive then

>>714914020
>No one needs so much variety that there are 20 different strings to learn and they all feel completely different.
There's actually more variation in routing than people think there is, I play Testament and just off 2K I've got 2-3 routes before even considering meter.

>>714914387
He's still high tier, but he lost cancels off H normals and no longer combos the overhead on normal hit which makes him way less obnoxious.

>>714914387
>>he said, sarcastically
Whats wrong?
You control the button you press

I like how 90% of the
>dude, you haven't reached Master yet? Everyone has reached Master by now! Just look at the percentiles!
retards can be shut down by just stating, "Okay, now show me those percentiles for Classic Controls only."

>>714914738
I reached Masters without breaking too much of a sweat by playing Dhalsim and just doing Yoga Bullshit

>>714914515
>2k>2d>236H
>2k>2d>236S
>2k>236H
Exactly 3 routes lmao.

Which fighting games are the most roggy

>>714914387
Don’t worry the new bullshit is Pot and Ram.

>>714915314
DBFZ
I have never seen so many red names (people who ragequit) in my life.

melty blood actress again current code
lobby 5529

>at least we are not Tekken
lmao the grubbas think they're people

>>714914738
It's only like 15% of the playerbase regardless.

>>714915719
If I had a new combo to practice I'd take you up on it because I'm not feeling like landing my same old combos today.

>>714915890
iktf, I only really wanna play because I'm learning aoko (even though I always switch to sacchan when things get HEATED)

>>714914690
except for when the game decides that your input was a millisecond too late or you turned the joystick 2 millimeters to the left too far

>>714915719
You are yolo bum getting carried by your top tier character

>>714914316
Who is this? Microdashes aren’t really hard once you get into them.

>>714915198
>2K > 236H > 5K > 6H > 214K
standard corner carry, you can hit jH OTG and then do a meaty 2H that can beat some meterless reversals and make you +5 on block
optionally you can also do a meaty j236H after the teleport which is +15 and sets the succubus behind them

>2K > 236H > (microdash) > 2S > 2H > (delay) 214K
meterless sideswap, or teleports above your opponent if you delay
delayed lets you get a meaty falling jH, or you can steer forwards and hit them with a crossup falling jK, although that one is a manually timed 2f window

>2K > 2D > 236S (clean hit) > (delay) 214K
invisible left/right, but if it hits OTG you're minus on the teleport

>2K > 2D > 214[K] > 9
meme route that nobody expects, lets you get a meaty jH and then high/low with jD or 2K/S, also lets you catch backdashes

>2K > 236H > 5K > jc > IAD jH (whiff)
meme "fakeout" route that makes you +13, lets you fish for counterhits against really stupid
also a decent burst bait, you can just jump cancel for a burst bait and keep your turn by doing meaty j236S

honest mid tier btw

>>714916640
The chineese girl

>>714915763
15% of all accounts you mean. In real terms, it's at least 30%, being conservative

>>714914316
It’s not *as* hard as it looks but it still causes people’s eyes to glaze over.
This genre is about c.mk > 236P. That’s the kind of string most people want.

>>714916772
>>2K > 2D > 214[K] > 9
>meme route that nobody expects, lets you get a meaty jH and then high/low with jD or 2K/S, also lets you catch backdashes
I should have checked beforehand but that one can be a safejump against slower, 11f reversals like Ky's DP if you do jP (whiff/framekill) > jH
You will get hit by 9f reversals like Leo's flashkick though

>>714914738
Literal vtubers and fucking DSP got master super early during the early stages of SF6
if you can't reach master but these fucking wastes of air can you are fucking terrible at video games, that is it

>>714917652
Alternatively

I miss pre-Strive Sol /v/ros...

>>714862948
i got good in fighting games. until i realized i wasn't a perma-virgin NEET who wanted to or could put hundreds of hours autistically grinding setups, 1f links, or situational combos for when your underwear rides up your crack and you have to use one hand to adjust it

also, your definition of get good is different from mine. maybe you're happy being silver nigga

kys incel, i will cock slap you irl

>>714863036
i like 1v1 games. i don't like fighting games cause they don't reward skill so much as they reward sweat. i have no problem playing other 1v1 games like chess, master duel, ARPGs with PVP and other strategy games.

>>714863128
okay retard, you can make grandmaster if you don't get hit.


>>714865954
>put in the time
sorry, get a job or some friends nigga. imagine bragging about putting in hundreds of hours grinding a video game for NO MONEY and NO REWARDS. lmaooo. I play loads of 1v1 games including chess, master duel, awbw, used to play dark souls, dbfz, etc. None of them took as much mindless grinding compared to the fighting game. i would cock slap you in a dozen 1v1 games and it wouldn't even be close - the difference is that I don't see the value of sitting in THE LAB grinding shit like it's your job nigga. Other games I can git gud by playing with the occasional theorycrafting and watching guides. Fighting games, you're browsing a bunch of autistic gay discord servers for a shred of tech or just sitting in training mode for several hundred hours all so you can stroke your own ego.

you're confusing putting in 200 hours labbing gay shit with games that are actually fun to progress in.

FGC cucks are the gayest, they act like being a virgin gaylord grinding a game for 200 hours makes them badasses lmao. you're all faggots

>>714915719
oof slow day huh
ill go back to hosting public this one is dead and gone

>>714918516
>master duel
Bro...

>>714915719
Can I join

>>714918683
Blud thinks someone gonna join his public lobbies on concerto :skull:

>>714918856
ppl actually join I was surprised too
it's rare, but I've fought a couple of players even one who seemed to be pretty new
>>714918757
yeah just join the public but if you want the code here it is 3079

>>714918753
RNG slop fest with a stale meta vs 50-50 slop fest with a stale meta.

What's the difference

>Sweat!!!
Mobabrained zoomers seethe when nothing can carry them and cry when they fight someone who doesn't mindlessly mash. Funniest one to see in these threads since they outright admit putting in effort is beyond them.

>>714919458
They have better things to be investing their time and effort in.
Like posting on 4chan about how they're better than everyone posting here.

>>714918753
I quit master duel when tearlaments were thrown in
During that time, they were a "turn 0" deck meaning even if you get to go first they can still shit out a full board and you lose without getting to play
This fucking retard who thinks fighting games is more autistic than that is hilarious, what a fucking loser

>>714919379
I don't need to roll 4200 times and buy gemmies every few month to build myself new ryu deck because my previous ryu got banned (limited to 1 actually)

>>714919458
Why are FGC cucks so gay? Imagine being proud of sitting in the lab for 500 hours and thinking you're better than "casuals" because of it lmao.

It's the gayest kind of elitism. You aren't even better, you just don't have a job/friends/life and can put hundreds of hours sweating in the lab. At least be elitist about something that matters like money/education/bitches/etc. Not a chinese side scroller RPS simulator

I played fighting games and didn't mash, knew 50-50 setups, knew mixups for all my characters, had like 10 combos for every character for every scenario. i put in the time to "git gud" and realized that sitting 500 hours in the lab practicing the same combo or setups a million times isn't fun. it's actually really gay.

There are millions of 1v1 games that are actually fun to get good in. Games that you can get good by playing it. Games where you could be master without spending a minute in practice mode. Studying is often supplementary and not core to actually playing the game at a basic level. For example, in chess (not a pajeet btw), you can just play the game, you don't need to study much at all though there is hundreds of years of theory in chess. You can just have fun and play the game, then when a scenario comes up, you can read up on it.

That's the problem with fighting games. Getting good isn't fun. You sit in the lab with the wet dream of finally landing your gay setup/combo and then grind it for hours like a mexican

>>714854631 (OP)
Bro give up now, it's not worth it

>>714920157
Why the fuck would you spend time in the lab for hours doing shit you already know? Do you actually think people do this?

>>714920157
Fuck off retard

>>714919701
lmao imagine thinking a game where you spend hundreds of hours grinding in practice mode isn't the most autistic genre in existence.

>>714919379
Yeah you need to spend dozens of hours learning brand new character cause your main got nerfed to garbage tier and you can't abuse the same broken setups anymore. Big difference faggot. I quit master duel anyway, game stopped being fun

>714920157
>Imagine being proud of sitting in the lab for 500 hours
rookie numbers
>and thinking you're better than "casuals" because of it lmao.
I am, and you are beneath me in this social hierarchy
>You aren't even better
You say that but you can't beat me
>you just don't have a job/friends/life
I do
>Getting good isn't fun
It is

>>714920368
the only retard is the one who spends hundreds of hours grinding in practice mode (could've been a doctor by the way) and didn't learn a valuable lesson from it.

>>714920297
where did i say you would practice stuff you already know? I said the same combo because you're spending hours grinding the same combo until you can land it 80% of the time minimum

How do we solve the raped problem

>>714920157
I don't think I have 500 hours in training mode across every FG I've played, maybe if you count mindlessly doing combos or being afk while queuing, and I'm not a pro but I consistently reach high ranks in any game I play. On the off chance you're not trolling, I'm sorry you fell for the lab meme and thought you had to spend all day in there rather than just using it exactly like the example you gave for chess. Don't bother replying if you're going to keep saying this dumb shit btw, I'm not going to respond.

>>714920639
lmao no you don't. average fighting game dork is either a nigger or some 5'4'' asian dweeb with a body pillow. either way i mog you in every aspect of your life

>>714920536
Not either of those people but why do you have to spend so much time in training mode? I am not some god tier gamer playing at tournaments or whatever, but I have improved and had fun by just playing the game. I pretty much never touch training mode and just learn by playing as with any other game (aside from occasionally looking stuff up on youtube or a wiki, which I also do with other games).

>>714920749
>le hundreds of hours in training mode
Fuck off retard

>>714920157
>Games that you can get good by playing it. Games where you could be master without spending a minute in practice mode. Studying is often supplementary and not core to actually playing the game at a basic level. For example, in chess (not a pajeet btw), you can just play the game, you don't need to study much at all though there is hundreds of years of theory in chess. You can just have fun and play the game, then when a scenario comes up, you can read up on it.
>That's the problem with fighting games. Getting good isn't fun. You sit in the lab with the wet dream of finally landing your gay setup/combo and then grind it for hours like a mexican
this, you should be getting better as you play the game. Not when you're studying the college course for it. but fighting fags will never understand like these two
>>714920297
>>714920368

>>714920947
>You can just have fun and play the game, then when a scenario comes up, you can read up on it.
And somehow this doesn't count for studying and practice.

>>714920939
you're not getting any better by getting instantly stopped and stunlocked for 90% of the match. and learning bnbs is mandatory to even start playing which requires a big chunk of training mode time if you're new

>>714920816
depends on how good you want to get at the game. sounds like you werent that good then just saying

and no it's not like chess. you can barely play a fighting game without labbing some basic combos and the like.

>>714920947
>you should be getting better as you play the game. Not when you're studying the college course for it
That is LITERALLY how I have learned the most you stupid fucking faggot, that is exactly why I am telling you to fuck off.
Retard.

>>714921030
the difference is that you can go full autist if you want to, not as a mandatory requirement.
>>714921091
read >>714921045

You guys don't have to keep replying to obvious bait. You can just tell him to fuck off and move on.

>>714855382
>It's too late now to compete with the greybeards.
Haven't the 09'ers or older largely retired?

>>714921151
I know this guy is retarded and he will just keep parroting the same shit. I am not doing it for him, I do it for other, actual human being reading this trash who might think he has a point.

Just had a fun and close match against one of the ten Q players in the world.

>>714921298
There is nothing you can do to convince people to play fighting games desu unless they seek them out on their own. Developers have simplified toolkits, updated graphics, added ways around motion inputs (see granblue and sf6) but the fact that there is a minor-moderate barrier to entry and that the game is 1v1 will just turn people off.

>>714920909
well you would get clapped by anyone with knowledge of BNBs, blockstrings, setups, mixups and other basic tech. not sure there's much to say but you're probably just mashing and not even playing the game properly

>>714920939
well if you didn't put in the time, you probably need to git gud scrub. you were probably a shitter. anyone good at a fighting game has put in hundreds of hours playing and grinding it. and that's why i know fighting games are shit, i put thousands of hours into DBFZ and i realized that the whole time i wasn't really having fun grinding in the lab like a mexican to beat my friends

>>714921030
sure but you "practice" other games by playing. some niggas get master in games like league without ever having touched practice mode. you "practice" fighting games by sitting in training mode for a couple hours pressing the same buttons until you can land your setup 80% of the time.

>>714889052
He doesn't have time to make his own food. Besides, that sort of food is accepted in Japan.

>>714921723
I don't think any game out right now is so difficult that you need hours of practice to learn basic set-ups and the likes.

>>714920909
>Not either of those people but why do you have to spend so much time in training mode?
You don't.
He's retarded.
He's LARPing as someone who constantly plays against top tournament players or something, who the fuck knows.

>>714920157
Dog if you prefer whether you have a fun or miserable time to be based on team rng, you're the cuck. Weird as hell.

>>714921091
you are a dumb nigger. try landing a BNB or a blockstring without practicing it in the lab once. do you even play fighting games?

>>714921151
>tell people to git gud
>someone tells you that they did git gud and realized that spending hundreds of hours labbing shit is gay as fuck
>claim it's trolling
FGC faggots are the biggest retards lol

>>714921576
it's not 1v1 that's an issue no matter how much FGC tards like to cope about it. fact is chess is the most popular board game of all time. not to mention all time games like Go, starcraft, super smash bros etc. The issue is that fgs are a time sink and the grind to get good is not particularly fun nor can you progress without labbing. You have to put in dozens of hours to learn the most fundamental aspects of the game from block strings, wakeups, BNBs, and set ups. I love the idea of fighting games and I'd gladly play them if they got rid of how unfun it is to actually git gud

Here's your real life Crane, bro.

Why would you even reply to that retard clearly baiting and pretending to play fighters. Anyone staying you need hundreds of hours in practice mode obviously doesn't play them, c'mon /v/.

>>714922051
i went to locals and placed. probably more than you ever did faggot. 5'4'' FGC cucks just don't have a response to this because they know everything i'm saying is a fact. Labbing isn't fun and bragging about "sweat", "git gud" or being elitist is just FGC tards wearing hundred hour grinds like a badge of honor as opposed to a sunk cost or plain retardation (which it is)

>>714921962
i quit fighting games after DBFZ. i realized the genre is dog shit because every little thing you learn needs to be grinded out in the lab. new patch just dropped? time to learn a ton of new combos because my old routes are no longer valid

>>714922557
>FGC constantly tells people to git gud, lab shit out, and practice
>Someone tells them they got gud, practiced, labbed shit out and went to locals (and placed)
>"He must be trolling"

FGC retards are the biggest clowns lol

>>714922557
I am clinically retarded and I think that explaining why someone is wrong is going to cause them to back off instead of doubling down on acting retarded.
Case in point.

>>714854631 (OP)
>get ass beat
>ponder why
>try to adjust

>>714854631 (OP)
try sucking chun li's ass, then we'll talk.

>I got gud, went to locals and placed
Yeah and I'm fuckin daigo anyone can say anything here. Out of curiosity can your retarded ass post your hours in these fighting games you "got gud" at.

>>714922875
>>714923119

Is Fighting EX Layer alive on the PC at all or is it one of those games that's only kept alive on the PS4 by a couple dozen Japanese dudes on weekends?

How competitive was your local? Did you ever bother with a major?

How is Elphelt in Strive, currently?
I know she has never been "good" really, but does she currently have too many unfavorable matchups? She and Dizzy are the only DLC characters released so far that I'm interested in.

>>714923119
What's so hard to believe about me placing at locals after grinding for hundreds of hours in a video game retard? What next, you going to call bullshit on the guy who spend 10000 hours studying to be a doctor?

I only played DBFZ. I realized that while I enjoyed playing fighting games, the grinding isn't fun at all. It's actually dog shit. Which is why I never picked up another. I can get much of the same amount of fun playing games that don't require grinding including ones like smash, chess, dark souls, etc

>>714923305
what do you think retard
it was never even alive to begin with

>>714923423
She is good enough. Linear gameplan, rushdown character, good corner carry.

>>714923119
>I'm fuckin daigo
kinda gay bro

>>714923530
Sad!

>>714854631 (OP)
post you're replays

>>714923531
I can work with that.
I really wish individual characters got SOME discount during sales because I have no interest in the other characters in her pass and paying 7 dollars for a single fighting game character is a ripoff
Yes I know about Creamapi or whatever, I haven't pirated anything in decades and I don't want to start doing so again.

>compares getting good at fighting games to spending 1000 hours to be a doctor(classic secondary retard opinion)
>still no proof
You are a sad sad man.
>>714923423
She's still a braindead, ezbake, retard character but mid tier so you'll still have fun with her most of the time until you play against anyone who actually knows how to deal with her offense 80% of the time and win neutral against her the majority of the time.

>>714923812
I would look up (updated) youtube guides, the dustloop pages and w/e to see if she is your thing just to make sure.

>I really wish individual characters got some discount during sales

Has any game ever done this? Feel like they only do sales for the entire pass.

>>714923423
never bothered with a major cause i just played the game for fun and wanted to have some social interaction with people who enjoyed the same thing. i also am definitely not good enough to place in a major. it's just a local in a major city. not NYC but probably a tier or two below it. it was pretty competitive, the best player in my local placed top 3 in a major and did well against pros. he's not a big name though.

loled hard watching his matches in the major though cause DBFZ is a fighting game for mashers and he was pulling the same shit against the pros as he did against us. dude would just start mashing in the middle of a blockstring as motherfucking bardock or he'd just wake up mash buttons. most fighting game pros are pretty disciplined and know when it was their turn but this guy would just start RPSing the moment you left a gap instead of blocking. if there was a gap in your blockstring, he'd either reflect, L mash, or even throw a level 3. you could cover one option but then the other one would beat you. it was all RPS. he was really good though cause you still had to win neutral fairly often/have good setplay/have good mix if you wanted to do well

>>714923812
why do you talk about pirating like it's a drug? these shitty companies don't deserve your money for the kikery they pull

>>714923423
>Elphelt
Actually got buffed, Bomb Vest is now a hitgrab and stays after wallbreak, giving her an insane post-wallbreak situation since you have HKD, convert off a lot of hits and will be plus after it blows up

She can also dash cancel the startup/reset of her rekka on block, letting her dash kara into bomb toss and making her entire mix way more annoying to deal with

Her problem now is her low HP and interactible pressure coupled with mediocre damage compared to characters that can do similar pressure (Anji and Slayer both have obnoxious high/lows with better return and more health to be dumbfucks)
I'd say she's probably mid tier? She's incredibly obnoxious.

>Dizzy
Incredibly shit and I've played more than enough matches to know exactly how shit she is

Her conversions sometimes fail even on counterhit, her setplay can fuck her over, she builds a ton of tension/burst for her opponent and her main gimmick is very hard to apply
Her fish setplay isn't great since it loses to forward advancing moves or divekicks, Ice Field is only good if the character does not have air mobility (eg. May's Dolphins completely ignore it)
She also has some unfixed bugs, like being KD -7 if you route incorrectly with frozen state

She does have some extremely good matchups against people who can't deal with her zoning, and WOL melts down heavy bodies without giving resource if it ever activates which is kind of anti-meta

>>714915719
I forgot about this thread and missed the lobby
Maybe another day

>>714924053
yeah and doxx myself? why would i do that you retard? retard alert everyone

you can't really dispute anything so all you can do is focus on whether i went to locals or not instead of admitting the fact that you have to grind hundreds of hours if you want to place at a competitive locals

>>714854631 (OP)
Gonna assume you already know combos and oki and stuff

In 2d fighters there are 2 angles of approach, generally. On the ground and in the air. Ground approaches could be something simple like walking up and hitting a button or something more goofy like drive rush or a special move like cammy spin knuckle or honda headbutt. Same with air approaches, could be a simple jump in or could be a dive kick or something. But basically, 2 approaches.

You need to be able to stop these approaches, and broadly sorting them into 2 categories will help make it easier to manage. Especially in lower ranks people will just attack attack attack so it's easier and more stable for you to be defensive if they're just going to throw themselves at you.

Players are also generally pretty retarded and will take huge risks all the time. Gotta play careful and let them hang themselves.

If they go for a ground approach and you stop it a couple times, you can assume they will try an air approach. And vice versa. It's not a guarantee, some players are really stubborn. But if they aren't trying different things then that just makes it easier for you to kill them.

This is the basic mindset/gameplan you should have with any character in SF6. Mostly people do not lose to bad strategy or execution mistakes etc, they lose to chaos they aren't able to contain.

If a player is onto you and they also become defensive, its time to bait them into attacking. This post is also too long so Google sonic hurricane footsies handbook for ideas to help with that stage.

But basically nobody below a really high ranking plays footsies in any game so you need to chill and just stop them from being retarded. If you can get them to stop being an ape. Then "neutral" begins in earnest. Hope this helps.

>>714924104
>Feel like they only do sales for the entire pass.
...oh yeah, I guess this one is not really on Strive now that I think about it. Oh well.

>>714924053
>but mid tier so you'll still have fun with her most of the time
>>714924274
>I'd say she's probably mid tier? She's incredibly obnoxious.

Cool, that's more or less what I was hoping really. Thanks for the input.

>>714924206
Sorry m8, not really interested in doing the whole piracy debate right now, especially on a near dead thread.

>>714924274
>>Dizzy
>Incredibly shit
Now this is unfortunate. I thought maybe people were exaggerating but I have literally not seen a single post saying she is good...

>>714924053
>>compares getting good at fighting games to spending 1000 hours to be a doctor(classic secondary retard opinion)
>>still no proof
>You are a sad sad man.
What he's trolling because the thing that takes time to practice took time to practice on? He didn't just act like fighting games don't magically only take like 10 mins to learn like every single fgc faggot wants everyone else to believe. lying about how long it takes isn't gonna get numbers up retard

>he's now resorting to pretending that someone else (who is totally a different person) agrees with him
Holy kek

>>714924509
There is going to be a balance patch with Lucy. She hopefully will be getting buffs. I don't expect her to be good (or venom, or any zoner for that matter since Happy Chaos was/is the only exception) but she might become decent, but we'll see.

>>714924465
Want to add a really important thing which is PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT YOUR OPPONENT IS DOING. Most people only have 2 or 3 ways to get in and start their bullshit on you. Like I said before counter their approaches, run them out of options, and you will notice the moment when their mental game breaks. Some people go nutty aggressive and others clam up and turtle.

>gets btfo'd in the thread and starts accusing of samefagging

>>714924770
The funniest thing him STILL refusing to post any hours or even minor proof of him actually playing like that's doxxing himself.

>>714924789
Well, Happy Chaos is a faggot, cancer character so I hope they don't ever make her THAT good, really but yeah, at least fix some of the objectively broken things people have mentioned.

>>714924509
>>Now this is unfortunate. I thought maybe people were exaggerating but I have literally not seen a single post saying she is good...
I'm the biggest Dizzy up-player around (sunk cost fallacy) but right now she desperately needs at least QOL fixes, she just constantly whiffs on hit in cases where she shouldn't. She also has weird routing issues, like needing manual delays depending on your starter.

I still think she's underrated because her game plan is weird and does not really fit within Strive's meta.
Her post wallbreak situation is terrible, she can't get very good oki even with a super wallbreak since she has no mix, she can't really setup anything dangerous, and worst of all she starts the wings of light timer from 0 again.
Trying to cheat and getting your setplay started with PRC seems to be kind of a waste of meter as well, and her supers are nothing really special.

On the other hand, her control over the corner is pretty good, she can put an air fish which denies people from jumping out and backdashing, and she has buttons like 5H which is only -4 on a big disjoint
Wings Of Light also forces people into acting against it, since it'll deal up to 60% of anyone's HP even on block (ignoring guts/defensive modifier), and both of these coupled together lead into really exploitable mistakes.

So this lets you get into her unique game plan, which is to just stall the game until WOL activates to rob people out of their HP
You can do that through her zoning, her obscenely long throw animation, or some up close pressure with 6H, Wild Assault or the momentum of Ice Field, which lets you setup for really long blockstrings

Again, the additional anti-meta part is that this doesn't give tension, meaning against a Potemkin if you routed this way, you're not going to risk eating hammerfall PRC pot buster for 50% of your health as soon as you stop applying pressure.

>dizzy not air dashing like crazy or even moving at all
>foor becomes some sort of ice skating rink
what happened to guilty gear...

>>714924770
>>714925656
Because he's trolling, you retards. You are replying to bait and, even in the slim chance he's not, you're just giving an ignorant retard attention and letting him run the thread.

>>714926142
The devs rightfully realized that all that air movement was unnecessary and a byproduct of the arcade era where games needed to look flashy to attract people walking past

>>714926142
They stopped making them. But you can still play them.

>>714926142
Ice powers are cool so I am all for anything that plays them up

>>714925765
I see... I think this helps me understand the big picture a little better, thanks for the detailed explanation m8

>>714926142
the ice floor thing is a cool idea, it's jank and not really that interesting in practice but I can see what they were going for
the rest of her is pretty lame though especially compared to her older gameplay

>>714926142
Ice field has gotta be one of the funniest moves in a fighting game, I wish I had a webm of Potemkin doing a 5s long hammerfall that goes nowhere

>>714926730
There was no way she was going to be identical due to the slower pace and the move towards being a 50 meter game
She does feel like she is missing at least one special for neutral though

play Honda

>>714927125
Which special would she need?

>>714927617
I do
Sort of

>>714924509
Dizzy’s always been weirdly polarizing - people either want to make her some lightning-fast okizeme queen (like Xrd) or a mid-tier gimmick zoner, and Strive clearly went with the latter. Honestly though, I kinda dig the idea of her being more of a slow-burn traplayer that snowballs off forcing people into scramble defense. It’s just that right now she gets outpaced and outdamaged by pretty much every top-tier.

If they at least fix the fish bugs and give her more reliable combo timing, she might sneak into “fun but mid” territory instead of her current “cope and dream” tier.

>>714927804
close enough, good job

>>714927814
>the idea of her being more of a slow-burn traplayer that snowballs off forcing people into scramble defense.
That DOES sound like a very cool concept but unfortunately it doesn't play out very well in Strive, you are right.