Thread 714863649

Damn this shit sounds good. Like its actually trying to have some intentionality and identity to its level design. Why is this game so forgotten then? Ive been looking for an action adventure game that would actually try to commit to being more than just straight brute force action with like 1 or 2 "puzzles" every 5 hours where youre just standing still in a room interacting with things disconnected from the enviroment mostly like a prompt.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=V-NF2L02pic
Is this IGN vid wrong? Every other video essay on YouTube seems to dislike the game. I dont know which normie side to listen to, the ones that hate or love the game, its why I dont want to listen to the normies at all, because they would have led me to believe The Last of Us was bad because they dont care about the gameplay, and the haters are a different type of wannabe that also doesn't care about the gameplay, just what theyve arbitrarily decided the gameplay represents.

But its never the true gamers who played TLOU on grounded that ever elucidate it's value, which having played on grounded, I now understand and appreciate.

I dont want to make the mistake of ignorance and hasty judgment based on a common overarching perception. I want to enjoy videogames in all the interesting ways it can be designed. If designed well.

BUY AN AD! I AM SO FUNNY AND ORIGINAL BTW!

what if i came on /v/ and said i actually like videogames?

Mogged by Elden Ring like Read Dead Redemption 2 before it.

>>714863805
Well. I actually do personally think that the 2018 game was kinda just shit and shallow. But the sequel seems to make a genuine consorted effort to actually have some substance and identity, which is rare for modern action adventure games which always feel like a direct copy of something else. The puzzle filled level design gives it more soul, if truly moreso than the first game.

>>714863649 (OP)
God of war ragnarok isn't bad. It's just a movie game like tlou. Nu god of war is not for people who played the old ones.

>>714864078
2018 actually is bad tho, 2022 actually feels like a game with actual mechanics, traversal and exploration is way better.

also
>movie game like tlou.
buzzword. youve never touched tlou on grounded.

>>714864210
I played tlou and it's bad. I couldn't finish it or even get to the half of it. Gameplay sucks and story isn't engaging at all. Jak and daxter had better story than tlou

>>714864351
you might be genuinely retarded, also lovely how you dont mention grounded whatsoever. proving youre a retarded normie retard that doesnt even play games for real meaningful challenge no wonder you glorify a shitty braindead kids game like jak and daxter

*fart*

*gurgle*

why are you writing so much like niggas can read here?

>>714863649 (OP)
all of these puzzles seem heavily scripted, every swing of the grappling hook a fixed event. All the puzzles seem to be throw axe at button.

should I be impressed? Some obscure indie games have better puzzles.

>>714864502
This gameplay doesn't get better on harder difficulty. It's just boring. Stealth sections are dogshit and if I wanted to play stealthy I would prefer to play other games that do this way better.
I haven't really seen any action since they threw stealth sections at me one after another. Don't pretend that tlou on hardest diff gets any better. It's a sony game after all

>>714864898
>all of these puzzles seem heavily scripted, every swing of the grappling hook a fixed event. All the puzzles seem to be throw axe at button.
mental retard that should kill himself. i bet you think ocarina of time is a good game, no cognitive dissonance tho

>>714865152
>I haven't really seen any action since they threw stealth sections at me one after another.
This is one of THE few games where its actually borderline impossible to not end up fucking up your stealth and having to shoot out in the end, especially with how big and open some levels are. Or shit like the generator that force you not to rely strictly on stealth like a pussy. Its one of the reasons the game is so good. There are so many stealth games that are only "good" stealth games that cant make the action of being caught and engaging conundrum to get yourself out of.
>Don't pretend that tlou on hardest diff gets any better. It's a sony game after all
Retard exposing he has never played the game, let alone on grounded. I dont know why you still talk when youre a retard who blatantly hasnt even played the thing youre dismissing.

>>714865479
>There are so many stealth games that are only "good" stealth games that cant make the action of being caught and engaging conundrum to get yourself out of.
You haven't played stealth games if you say shit like this.
Go play first splinter cell or blacklist (endless mode is good challenge)
You can also play like hundred of other zombie games where it's just like tlou but better.
You know why I think tlou is bad and especially stealth? Because in most stealth games I actually feel something while doing that, while in tlou I feel no thrill or anything. But fine, I will try to play it again and maybe finish it.

>>714865479
Should I stick to ps3 version or start all over in remake?

Nah they don't make interesting stories

>>714865951
Remake has much better AI. So id recommend that if you can afford it.

>>714863649 (OP)
lol
you're so dumb essayfag

>>714863890
>some substance and identity

>>714867019
To be fair, this doesnt disprove anything in the video, there's a difference between puzzle design and puzzle communication. Yes this is bad, about as bad as Ocarina of Time's shit. But presumably hints can be turned off.

>>714863649 (OP)
shut the fuck up, get a job, stop reposting your shitty threads. dumbass essayfag.

>>714867185
This is pretty funny, but also has nothing to do with gameplay...in both games kek

>But presumably hints can be turned off.
AYO THIS NIGGA AIN'T EVEN PLAYED THE GAME HE SHILLS
OH NONONONONONONO PFFFFFFFFF

>>714867640
Im not shilling? I was literally open about my intentions from the get go. I am asking if the video is right about its level design and if the game is truly as meaningful an improvement to the 2nd one as it seems and therefore worth playing.

>still hasn't beaten death stranding despite calling it one of his favourite games
there's a lot of things that i could call you retarded for, but this is the biggest one, essayfag.

>>714864078
>just a movie game
Then it's terrible

>>714868352
are /v/tards really this retarded? they just believe some judgement because some retard slaps a label they dont like onto it? dumbass

I will repeat what I said in your last thread. Its good but its a secret /v/ will never let themselves know.

>>714867846
Ragnarok puzzles are still basic action game puzzles. They are there to create downtime. Half the time you just throw some weapon at some interactable. They won't exactly stump you. Also an NPC will tell you the solution within 5 seconds of entering the puzzle or if you set NPC hints to "reduced"(lowest setting) they'll spoil you in 15 seconds. Moving the puzzle objects physically into position takes at least 25 seconds.

You want puzzles play The Talos Principle.

do you still shove buttplugs in your butt while wearing your mom's makeup, essayfag?

ITT

>>714872752
what is this webm supposed to show exactly? dont even get the context

>>714864210
>youve never touched tlou on grounded.
So? I played through it on Hard, it was boring, why would I bother playing more?
And how would a higher difficulty make it less of a moviegame?
Fucking retard.

>>714863649 (OP)
sony cant make nortubel

>>714873265
that even retards can play games if you hand hold them hard enough

>>714867087
Why is his kid telling his dad what to do?

>>714873478
I dont doubt theres handholding, but what exact handholding is in that video?

>>714873680
a big point of interest that catches DSP's eye while he's rowing down the river as Kratos

>>714873746
That's just framing, and John Romero already stated in his level design principles over 30 years ago that levels profit from having landmarks for orientation.
Of all the things you could criticize about nuGoW you chose the most retarded one to criticize.

>didn't even realize you have arrived at a puzzle, busy fighting or exploring
>shitty sidekick already blurts out the solution with a 'maybe' or 'perhaps' thrown in for good measure

>>714863649 (OP)
I thought the puzzles in both nuGoW games were pretty barebones and boring because most of the time they consist of "find the thing you can interact with", it all felt very very scripted too, in a we playtested and dumbed down this shit 100 times so nobody ever gets stuck way.

The puzzles in classic GoW were better even though some of them were block pushing because they were not pretending to be more than what they were and the upgrades you would get were actually meaningful making taking the time to solve them feel rewarding. The classic games were also much better paced, the platforming and puzzle sections allowed you to catch your breath between the frantic combat, in nuGow you watch 30min of cutscenes, travel to the next location, watch some more cutscenes, walk around while characters talk, row the boat, and after all that you are doing the slow puzzles.

>>714874998
>The puzzles in classic GoW were better even though some of them were block pushing because they were not pretending to be more than what they were and the upgrades you would get were actually meaningful making taking the time to solve them feel rewarding.
What a stupid and arbitrary excuse to justify classic GOW puzzles. Retard.
>because most of the time they consist of "find the thing you can interact with"
Again. I bet you think Ocarina of Time is good.

>>714875381
What can I say, I fucking hate nu-GoW and I love classic. In the old games I never thought about the puzzles, in the new games I found them boring and unrewarding.

>Again. I bet you think Ocarina of Time is good.
Because it actually is? All the adult Link temples are good except Shadow Temple but it makes up for it with the Well. But Majora's Mask is where it's at when it comes to dungeon design.

>>714876004
>Because it actually is? All the adult Link temples are good
Holy fucking shit. Youre an unironic retard bot. I bet you cant name a single puzzle in the water temple.

>>714876686
>calls others bots
>brings up the most braindead meme "hurfdurf oot sucks although I have never played it" temple possible

>>714877108
Lol blatant deflecting mental retard. Told me all I needed to know. It was a trick question and you still couldn't Answer it because you dont know shit.
There isnt a single puzzle in the water temple. You bomb an obvious cracked wall. Hit a crystal switch underwater with hookshot, push a block along a fixed path, and hookshot the blatantly only hookshottable hookshot panels. Lol retard. I could recite the entire dungeon from beginning to end off memory. Dumbfuck retard "Its actually not scripted because even though you bomb the obvious cracked wall, and hookshot the only hookshottable think available, and play the ocarina at the designated "play the ocarina symbol" because I am a dumbfucking subhuman retard with no brain or self awareness. I think le water temple is actually hardcore and complex and so its actually good and expertly designed anyway.

How about you play it and find out and I judge you based on whether you get it or don't

>>714873265
They're designing their games for the most retarded streamers.

>>714867462
>But presumably hints can be turned off.
no, that's not very presumable
but maybe since you've already played the game you can tell us if you can :-)
why even make a thread like this where you're pretending to have not played it already
why not at least just pretend to be a different person in your own thread

>>714877667
christ OP that went from 0 to meltdown real quick, what level of snoyfaggotry causes this? no one was even talking about OOT besides you who's tried to push the discussion to it in every post you've made, just so you can sperg out about the water temple?

>>714877996
refer to this guy >>714874103 retard, honestly surprised a /v/tard even had the critical thought to not need to be fed this explanation but came up with it himself

>>714878881
you're retarded and cannot grasp a basic point that everyone else understands
they're designing and playtesting around the most retarded of retards like dsp, a streamer known for his low iq and getting filtered by everything and anything
kill yourself as usual essayfag

>>714863649 (OP)
sony is the past. 0 hype forever lol

>>714863649 (OP)
throwing the axe at water is not good level design you absolute snoy

>>714877667
u mad?

>>714878558
op is a well known lolcow called okinaro, he's unironically gay (complete faggot with dogshit taste) and black (low iq but desperate to seem smart)

I will save this game.