ITT: 10/10 games that become 5/10 if you 100% them

most games are like that

What about 5/10 games that become 10/10 if you 100% them?

What about 5/10 games that become 1/10 if you 100% them?

>>714868657 (OP)
DK Country 1, 2, TP (same with 3 and Returns but I dont think those are 10/10)

>>714868657 (OP)
>become 5/10 if you 100% them
what does this even mean?

>>714868657 (OP)
I think you mean the opposite, there's very little engagement in Yoshi's Island if you're just going through the levels without trying to collect stuff.

>>714870550
DKC1 is awful to 100% but DKC2 is much more reasonable and enjoyable.

>>714870554
The collectathon aspect becomes unfun, like DKC64 or Crash 4

>>714870418

>>714870554
When a game offers an optional task that makes the game less fun if you try it.

>>714868657 (OP)
I actually think this is a bad example OP

>>714868657 (OP)
Sonic 2
The special stages suck

>>714870418
Honestly I would have thought 100%'ing this game would be uber fun because it makes it a lot more difficult in a fun way, but it kept pulling the same "ha ha there's a bunch of hidden crates off camera/obscured by something and there's always two or three more than you'd expect get fucked" trick it keeps doing every other level.

>>714871076
10/10 that stays a 10/10.

>>714870727
Yoshi's Island's levels are way too long to justify the amount of collectables they ask of you, and the game is set up to require all runs be perfect. You mess up and you have to redo everything. Add onto that the fact that the red coins are hidden, collectables can be missable, and a minor mistake near the end of the level means redoing everything and it becomes much less fun because you hae to hyper focus on groundpounding every pole and not getting hit.

>>714871564
My only issue is with the red coins that disappear such as the ones carried by flying enemies. Flowers are usually pretty easy to find and you can cheese stars with item cards right at the end of the level.

Super smash bros brawl

>>714868657 (OP)
mario 64 is the best example of that

>>714871564
You can store star giving items so being hit near the end is a literal non issue
It was a bigger problem in yoshi's Island DS because not only were these items removed, they also hid things in between the screens so you will often be missing a couple red coins or get hit by an enemy that wasn't on either screen. On top of the levels being way longer than its predecessor and having you backtrack to switch babies

>>714868657 (OP)
I tried doing this recently cos I had fond memories of doing it as kid but holy FUCK the amount of times you have to just restart a level if you want to get everything made me quit before beating world 2
Stupid fucking flying shy guys fuck you

>>714871564
Isn't there a mini game where you can get infinite stored stars?

>>714868657 (OP)
Wrong except for losing your 30 stars before the boss. Just remember to use your star item right before touching the last checkpoint as you can't use them on the boss.

>>714872531
Mario 64 is really fun to 100% though

>>714869523
FPBP

>>714870550
DKC 3 is the only one I bothered to 100% when I was a kid, since it made it seem easier to track what you've completed and gave you a bunch of mini-objectives to keep it fresh. DK Koins and Banana Birds had their own little minigame attached to them instead of just being another thing you've gotta find hidden doors and make blind leaps for.

>>714877835
>wing cap and 100 coin stars
>tiny huge island and tall tall mountain
nah

>Solid 7/10 game that's fun to pick up and play in bursts
>Will make you hate your entire existence if you try to 100% it

I would say Jet Force Gemini but you're FORCED to 100 percent that in order to beat it.

>>714870554
Instead of just finishing levels seeing constantly new levels, story, content until you get to a satisfying ending. you autistically comb levels bored out of your mind for pickups or do busy work ai generated tier side quests like Ubisoft games tend to have

>>714878608
Most of the 100 coins are fine, wing cap sucks though

Games aren't designed to be played to 100% completion. Any extra content is just that; optional stuff outside of just beating the game regularly if you want to revisit it.

Games that are 10/10 whether you 100% it or not

>>714880408

>>714870418
This is why you don't listen to """"""fans""""" (turbo autist speedtrannies) when designing games

>>714868657 (OP)
My favourite game ever
I love the cyber elf system so much because I literally get to ignore it completely and S Rank the game just they way it was truly intended

All those who are maximum upgrade-brained get to suffer trying to feed and level up those fucking things so they can have their short moment of hollow power-tripping

Godspeed to those who try to unlock the ultimate form
>Collect every elf, feed them, use them all
Fuck that lmao

>>714880408
>Finishing all the secret lore sidequests and completing the hellish postgame dungeon makes the final boss of the base game several times stronger so he's still the hardest fight

Why don't more games do this?

>>714878840
The first Spyro GBA game was like this. I had to use a cheat to finish it because I had like one thing left which was in the last bullshit Space Harrier clone

>>714881279
It's really unfortunate how rare this is.

>>714868657 (OP)
Any Yakuza game.

>>714878807
What were they THINKING?

>>714878807
I still hadn't unlocked Agatha in the original version.

>>714881279
Last Remnant does something similar. Final boss has a rank that increases based on how many sidequests you did, and some of the sidequests could only be completed at certain points. Getting the most powerful version of the final boss requires doing the most challenging content in the game.

It's not the 100% that's the problem, it's how boring most of the internships are. The castles are the highlight of the game, though

>>714871308
and thats its biggest failing, because for the original crash games, going for completion is actually fun

>>714871564
I respect that in Yoshis Wooly World each objective is separate which makes completionism much more approachable since you can focus on collecting everything and then going for max HP on a separate run