I do not see why they are exhalted as the good guys of gaming. It's literally always online DRM.

Well pcs themselves are essentially always online machines. Basically useless things nowadays without internet or at the very least you gimp your workflow so much that it's not worth going offline.
Is just how things are on the pc scene.

>>714871651 (OP)
You can literally open steam while having no internet connection and play your single player games, you double nigger.

>>714871651 (OP)
Because.. uh... erm... uh..

THEY JUST ARE OK/!

They invented the battle pass which is the worst piece of game monetization in history.

>>714871651 (OP)
>turn on offline mode
Goodness me that was hard.

>>714871651 (OP)
You think you can't play your games offline or something?

>>714872812
Madokanal

>>714872064
Speak for yourself. I pirate all my games and software.

>>714872952
>turn on offline mode
>does not work for all Steam games
>no, i am not talking about games that are multiplayer only, i am talking about singleplayer games that you can't play offline on Steam
Steam is cancer that propagates cancer.

Steam doesn't force DRM, that's entirely up to the developer of the game.
Blame the developer, not steam, you fucking chink.

>>714872812
>as long as you sign into internet once every week

>>714873292
Steam allows it. They not only allow trash like Denuvo but they allow videogame publishers to apply Denuvo AFTER you bought the game without it. Unironically DEATH to Steam. That's why i switched to GOG.

>>714873408
I'm not paying a tax to buy a game on an inferior platform, and I'm certainly not paying to have the exact same experience a pirate gets for free. As a paying customer, GOG has absolutely zero value.

Steam > EGS (When its a free game) > Piracy > GOG > EGS (Paying for a game)

>>714873560
I wouldn't use EGS to get a free game.
You're better off just pirating at that point

>>714873731
If you don't care about a platforms features, accessibility, or risk then yeah go for it.

Here's your (saar)

>>714873408
>Steam allows it.
and if they didnt then no one would publish their shit there because publishers would sooner castrate themselves than dare to release a game without DRM.
>inb4 "but why doesnt steam just le do it anyways? They can totally twist everyone's arm into not putting DRM on PC releases and totally wont just spawn a shittier version of itself by another company that will allow DRM."

>pakiposers show up once again to sling shit as usual

>>714873979
>make a thread

>>714873880
If youre retarded enough to download malware when pirating you dont deserve your computer.

>>714871651 (OP)
There are no good guys retard
The presented alternatives are just even more shit
Try and keep up

>>714873280
Deserved for buying something that has a giant warning on the store page

>>714874137
>There are no good guys retard
every time some fag complains about steam its like they dont realize people like it because theyre the best of a ton of bad options. But ultimately steam is still a buisness, so retards on /v/ spam threads about why steam doesnt go to insane lengths to do something that will benefit them very little in exchange for massive risk and appealing to some faggot on 4chan.

>>714873358
>wrong
Also, who doesn't have a stable internet connection for 10,079 minutes a week in 2025?

>>714874107
Anon even digital distributers have distributed malware in the past. The risk is objectively higher when pirating.

>>714871651 (OP)
>exhalted

>>714874161
The fact that these warnings exist pisses off lots of people. Denuvo assuredly has shills, too.

Steamworks DRM is easy to bypass, not always online, and most importantly optional for each dev to include. Theres a handful of games on steam that just launch if you click the EXE even without steam on.

>>714871651 (OP)
>my skin is brown and I must not redeem

>>714873280
>test this theory
>disconnect ethernet connection
>load up Beyond Good & Evil 20th Anniversary (Denuvo and Ubi Connect)
>Ubi Connect fails to sync cloud saves and settings
>lets me proceed
>game runs fine
You're a faggot liar.

>>714873280
>DRM makes games unplayable
I mean, thats what DRM is supposed to do

>>714871651 (OP)
Paid shills and PC beggers. I get liking Valve because they "supported" PC but still, it's still stupid to act like it's a good company beyond that

>>714871651 (OP)
>always online
>open steam offline
?

>>714874825
>consolepoor
Imagine shilling the objectively worse platforms.
>but 720p30 is all you need!
>you run at the same thing but with upscaling!
>oh, you don't?
>well, I'll keep lying!

>>714873205
Storage must be annoying. You use SSDs or hard drives?

>>714874993
NTA, but the games are always readily available, so you don't need to hoard.

>>714873292
You have to download Steam Client, you can not download games from the browser like GOG or Hoyoverse.

Steam is DRM

>>714875245
You have to use a web browser. You can't just will the games into existence. GOG is DRM.

>>714873358
>place I live in had an natural disaster that cut me off my internet access for 3 & a half weeks at home.
>could still play my steam games every single day.
Must be a US thing only.

>>714875365
>Doesn't know you can install directly from terminal
Are you a gamer if you lack such knowledge

>>714875729
You have to log in. GOG is DRM.

>>714875502
>>714873358
it's not a steam thing inherently, some developers require it. But Steamworks can be always offline

>>714874765
Spend a month offline and try again.

>>714876038
>for the first launch
faggot

>>714876038
>for the first launch
>unrelated to what you said
>also, being offline
Why? I like keeping tabs on my friends to see if they're congregating in a game I should join.

>>714876149
>>714876225
Since you're both unable to follow instructions, I'll explain. This is what occurs when Denuvo has not verified the game within a month. It might be as early as a week, but definitely a month. Spend time in offline mode, and you will become familiar with this.

>>714871651 (OP)
They're an awful company but browns and zoomers have no idea how to use a PC so they love them for turning PC gaming into high spec consoles.
I haven't bought anywhere but GoG for 4 years now and Steam isn't even installed on my PC.

>>714871651 (OP)
Unlike epic, they art not a company that is actively against the stop killing games movement lol.
They give better refunds than everyone else.
They generally seem to care more about consumer rights as well.
Always online DRM is a lie. I play steam games all the time on long haul flights without internet.

>>714876349
Why would anyone be offline for a month in 2025?
I think the Amish are online more than that.

>>714873358
nope. steam's phone home requirement is pretty lax and you can go something like over 6 months without needing to be online. iirc there are ways you can make it more or less indefinite - the main drawback is you cant really install new games at that point. personally i feel it wouldnt be hard in just about any normal circumstance to connect to the internet 1-2x/yr

>>714876458
You're missing the point. If you do not verify the game, you can't play it. If you can no longer verify the game, you will not be able to play it.

>>714876349
So this a denuvo problem, not a steam problem.

>>714872812
dumb faggot kys

>>714876531
But you're suggesting extreme scenarios that don't exist in the first world (probably not even Europe, either).

>>714876553
Why does Steam allow Denuvo?

Reminder that steam DRM is optional when listing your game on steam. Plenty of games launch from the exe without steam needing to be open at all because the devs never turned it on.

>>714876640
Because they don't want publishers to avoid them.

>>714876702
And how do you install those games?

>>714876553
The post was referencing Denuvo, not Steamworks.
>>714876628
No need to move the goalpost. That's not extreme. Launching Steam offline by default is not a difficult concept to understand, nor is it uncommon.
>>714876640
Money

>>714871651 (OP)
>buy game from steam
>you only own a license of the game
>you have to go online and then go into offline mode to play offline which defeats the purpose of it
>bombarded with pop-up advertisements as soon as you open the steam launcher to play your game
>if anything ever happens to steam as a company you lose your games forever
>if Valve decides to ban you one day you lose your games forever

Meanwhile:
>pirate a game and install the crack
>costs $0
>own the game forever

How is piracy not a preferable solution in nearly all scenarios? It’s FREE and you actually, legitimately own a copy of the game and can do whatever you want with it and you’ll never have it stolen

>>714876640
Steam allows everything but illegal shit these days. Now they even have a warning for denuvo and third party EULA'S right on the store page. If you make an informed decision to still buy it that's on (You)

>>714876773
I was told Steam saved PC gaming from being a dystopian hellscape where every game has 3 DRM layers

Note that the guy complaining about Denuvo and Steam hasn't shown the same Denuvo game's launch process on GOG.

>>714876840
> gave to go online to install a game you bought online
Oh no!

>>714876840
Ask your favorite developer to release a standalone version for you.

>>714877107
I can install all my GoG games offline

>>714873205
What's that? You DOWNLOAD games using the INTERNET?

>PC's are always online
>Jokes on you I go online to download my games
That's how retarded you sound.

>>714877224
Do they mail you a usb?

I download my games offline

>>714875245
Being forced to use a web browser or even cURL to authenticate with GOG to download games is no different to using steam to download games.
Therefore under your logic, GOG is DRM.

>>714877480
Now I use the portable installer they offer that requires 0 Internet connection or software installation.

>>714876840
>How is piracy not a preferable solution in nearly all scenarios?
Because Steams platform features is objectively a better user experience than piracy, that's why people pay.
If you don't care about a platforms features, then go ahead and pirate, king.

>>714877781
If you care about a music player so much add the exe as a non steam game

>>714877701
Did they ship THAT in a usb?

>>714877662
Yeah except for the fact I can download a GoG installer and use it for the rest of my life across multiple PCs with no further authentication or connection ever required, while it's literally impossible to install a steam game without installing steam

>>714871651 (OP)
>Steam isn't Dr-ACK
Funny how by default my 'games' are nested under the Steam folder and STEAM has to launch in order for them to run. I don't give two fucks about what .dll you can replace. Valve designed Steam to be an entitlement and digital rights management service. Simple as.
Even if you can do your stupid ass mental gymnastics about it being DRM/intrusive. You can't deny it's a walled garden. Want to use the Steam Workshop on a non-steam release? Get fucked. Better sign up for a steam account and purchase the steam version to access these mods : ^)

>>714878048
Steam and gog are both the same shit. You're a gog shill just like the steam shills.

>>714878156
I just explained to you how they're not the same, but you have no idea how PCs work and never used one to play a video game before your mom bought you an iBuyPower so you don't even know how to install a game without Steam

>>714877224
jesus there is a single gog shill on the internet that is not a fucking retard? How in the name of fuck you download your installers without internet,anon?

>>714878306
You're downloading your trash like the good little shill you are. You killed physical media by supporting them. You're the problem for enabling this

>>714871651 (OP)
I like having everything in one place. If your game is not on steam I won't play it simple as. Oh unlocking cheevos is very important.
DRM? More like Damn you Really think I Mind?

>>714878102
Don't forget the even more amazing Steam features like refusing to launch a game if it's not on the latest patch or auto updating all those mods and breaking your saves or ruining your game at a modders whim.
Consumer friendly btw :)

>>714878048
>Yeah except for the fact I can download a GoG installer and use it for the rest of my life across multiple PCs with no further authentication or connection ever required
I don't disagree you sperg. I've said repeatedly if you don't care about a platforms features then you should pirate.
You get the exact same experience a pirate would have, which gives me absolutely zero reason to ever buy from GOG.

>>714878102
>and STEAM has to launch in order for them to run.
Get it through your thick skull you retarded chink, this decision is made entirely by the developer of the game, not steam.

>>714876840
>buy game from steam
>drop goldberg into it
>it works offline forever
WOOOOW THAT WAS HARD

>>714878314
I didn't say download I said install. They're two different things retard. I know that's hard to grasp for someone who's never used anything but steam where the button does the same thing

>>714876640
Cause Valve doesn't give a shit about steamies. They know they're retarded fanbase will accept anything. Full ass scams are being sold on the storefront. Games without updates for YEARS in early access. B-but they added the message! Who gives a shit it doesn't refund the people who got fucked by Valve's 'so as long I get my 30% you can do whatever' they're like a fucking pimp.
They don't even have good sales anymore. They're literally the same as console. So the idea that Steam is this great provider of 5 dollar games and awesome sales is a thing of the past.

>>714878505
>b-but i get a license for mu-multiplayer!!!!
oh, so now you're in favour of licence keys and DRM?
GOGblins are so deranged

>>714871651 (OP)
I frequently use my laptop with steam in offline mode to play games.
"Always online DRM" means ALWAYS ONLINE OR YOU CANNOT PLAY.

RETARD BLACK NIGGER GORILLA FAGGOT READ THE FUCKING WORDS YOU TYPE!

>>714878682
>buy game to pirate it

>>714871651 (OP)
no it isn't. I have access to all of my steam games and my PC hasn't been connected to the internet for years

>>714878590
you're a faggot you know that? Get it through your head that 99.9% of games (including Valve's) REQUIRED FUCKING STEAM TO RUN

>>714878739
>Full ass scams are being sold on the storefront.
And valve give the community tools to moderate this
>Games without updates for YEARS in early access
Valve introduced a policy to fix this already

You're a retard

>>714878769
then what the fuck are you complaining about? that games aren't free?

>>714878819
lol you're fucking retarded

>>714878819
>you're a faggot you know that?
Looks like I got under your skin because I spoke the truth. And you're so ass-raped you just posted the exact same thing I blew you the fuck out for so I'll say it again since you have absolutely no retort.

Get it through your thick skull you retarded chink, this decision is made entirely by the developer of the game, not steam.

>>714878819
That's on the devs. You don't have to enable it when you list your game. RoR is one example with hundreds of others if you care to look them up.

>>714878102
If the game doesn't have DRM then you don't need to have Steam running (or Installed) to run the game. You just have to double click the game.exe.
Also mod support depends on game. For example, Kenshi mods downloaded from Steam Workshop can be used in Kenshi without Steam Workshop. Assuming someone uploads the workshop mods somewhere else, you wouldn't need the Steam Workshop to DL them either.

I'm actually pretty sure most games work this way.

>>714878751
>Have to be online to go offline
>Have to check in or the games stop functioning
You have the same 'offline' privileges as fucking downloaded videos on the Youtube App.
Xbox, Playstation and Nintendo doesn't have a 30-day fucking checks in for your games you own.

>>714878961
BuT hOw Do YoU DoWnLOad IT????

Hey retards, if I launch a game without steam, I can't access the multiplayer features of said game.
Tell me again how that Steam isn't 'required' for these games to run?

>>714879010
Steam offline mode has no time limit

>>714879063
idk, Nexus?

>>714879150
steam isn't forcing devs to use steamworks retard, thats a dev problem, not a steam one.

>>714879150
Really? I can. Factorio multiplayer works fine.

>>714879281
>>714879312
All steam games need steam serves to play multiplayer

>have to go to store and buy physical copy here to install it on PC
>physical store is DRM

Logic.

>>714879462
that's where you're fucking wrong
i goldberged my terraria copy and i could connect to myself through the steam version
if a game lets you connect through IP you absolutely can do that

>Epic Online Servies has a standalone installer so people don't have to install the Epic Games store to use multiplayer features (See ED6)
>Steamworks does not have this option and you are REQUIRED to install, signin and launch steam in it's entirety to play online multiplayer
I can go on but I'm sure you faggots will keep saying dumb shit to defend Gaben. Keep gurgling tho

>>714879482
I wish
>go to store to buy physical copy
>open case
>digital download

>>714879607
you modified the game and the files required. We're talking about out of box Steam experience the one that 95% of its users go through. Keep your modding and hacking shit out of this.

>>714879724
>we're at the point where the copers are arguing that they don't want to have steam open after they've paid for the game to play ONLINE
what the fuck fuels this level of contrarianism

>>714879724
But that's not true at all. I can play with steam users on an epic version without steam installed.

>>714879918
They can't blame their favorite game developer so they blame steam. Meanwhile indie shit allows you to host dedicated servers and don't have drm enabled at all.

>>714871651 (OP)
What the fuck does "always online" even mean
Does Steam close your games when you disconnect your internet? What are you even saying, retard?

>>714873358
I've spent weeks offline playing games on Steam, you are full of shit
What do you even get out of lying like this?

>>714880126
2 rupees per day sirs
epic has of the being very kindly to dalits sirs

>>714879462
most MMOs with third party launchers on steam can run offline

>>714876038
Tell me why I should care about your goal posts when I can't even see them across the horizon anymore

>>714871651 (OP)
we need to go back to buying physical copies at gamestop again
>b-but what about when the disks degrade and you won't be able to play the gayme anymore
we will simply make copies
>b-but what about modern gaymes. they won't fit on a disk chud because they have 100gb of homosexuality
we will simply use cheap usb storage media

>>714876640
anti-piracy, same reason all storefronts outside of gog allows it

>>714879918
Its become a bloated peice of shit. No I don't want to look at people's fucking MySpace pages. No I don't need broadcasting or remote play or any of that bullshit.
They refuse to release a light weight client that is just multiplayer features and drm checks.

>>714873358
I have a computer that hasn't been connected to the internet since 2018. I turned it on the other day and I STILL could play my Steam games in offline mode. This "you need to log on once per week to play offline" shit is a meme, and the only exceptions are instilled by the game manufacturer, not Steam.

>>714880527
This I can agree with, I want a client that takes up minimal computing resources. The idea that Steam is complete unusable shit that I want closed at all times because they have NOT met this demand, though, makes no sense to me. It's the most functional platform.

>>714880527
All modern software is bloated shit.
>but what about
All of it.
Epic is worse and galaxy is terrible. You have no good options besides downloading directly from the developer for a standalone game. That's probably bloated too

>>714876910

And the people who told you that are correct. As cancer as Denuvo is, it's nothing compared to the shit some companies tried to pull in the late 90s.

>>714880731
You'd be using your browser for downloading the game, so it's just as bloated.

>>714878873
>install steam malware just to pirate it anyway
>heh i owned him he is poor
are you mentally retarded or just stupid

>>714880839
Fuck you're right there's no escape.
I'm going to take up woodworking instead.

>>714880527
oh no
500 megabytes when 16gb is the floor and you can get 2x8 ddr4 sticks for 35 bucks!
this will bankrupt me!

>all undercase
Summer detected

>>714874380
And you're objectively still a stupid nigger if you fall for it.

>>714880919
That's not the point retard. The devs who 'chose' to have steam launch with their game according to fags in this thread it's a bloated peice of shit I'd soon close as soon as possible.
Even Nintendo has the decency to close the eshop when you launch a game.

>>714881131
>that's not the point
>immediately follows up with shit that proves that that was in fact the point

>>714880867
>Steam malware
Holy shit someone is SEETHING today.

These threads are always hilarious because you get to see the valve drones have their entire internal thought process broken down in real time.
GoG has 80-85% library conformity with Steam. Basically anything that's not there is EA/Ubi/2K shit that has so much DRM on it it wouldn't even function, or worthless indie asset flips that GoG won't sell because they actually have a quality control process.
GoG let's you actually own the game you download. No forced updates, no work around to avoid them, no "offline modes" and no requirement to download other software to actually install them.
So basically you have a thread full of idiots sucking Steam off for literally being an objectively worse place to buy games, and their comeback to this is a bunch of shit features no one uses and you could still have access to if you really needed by adding the gog copy as a non-steam game, while still having all the advantages of buying from GoG.
And then of course their final desperate plea is, BUT I COULD JUST PIRATE GOG GAMES as if that doesn't also apply to steam.

>>714880919
I have only have 4 gigs retard and I refuse to "upgrade". I'll NEVER use bloated garbage

I have been on steam for 18 years

- every single game I've ever purchased is still in my account and can still be downloaded and played, it doesn't matter if it has compatability problems with modern windows where I need to fix it myself, I can still download all of my games I've ever owned
- this includes games that don't even have store pages anymore because they were removed so long ago like Chronicles of Riddick
- games that were removed from steam but had cloud saves still have working cloud saves
- I have never been banned or got a nasty email
- I've never had a phishing attempt that wasn't an obvious third world retard that I simply replied "suck my cock faggot" and blocked them
- using steam is free
- I can install my games on literally any device that can run steam, steam doesn't care and will never try to stop me from downloading anything even if the hardware isn't "supposed" to run it
- I can plug in literally any controller and make it work natively through steam

I feel like I could go on forever, but most of the above CANNOT apply to console gaming. Steam has literally never burned me a single time, ever.

Ask a console gamer how much money they have to spend to just change their fucking PSN/XBL username, let alone how they can compete with any of the above.

>>714880752
Yeah imagine if months or even years after you bought a game it got DRM that is effectively malware or a outright rootkit installed on your PC. Thank god Steam exists so that never happens

>>714871651 (OP)
>the zoomer fears the file browser

>>714881256
Steam AND Gog drones*
Anyone not championing the return of physical DRM- I mean media is a shill.

>>714881256
GoG is definitely far superior and consumer friendly. Steam just has me by the balls because I've bought so many games through it already.

>>714881256
The people acting like I've inherently "lost" just for having launched Steam in the first place are hilarious.
>it's worse!!! you don't own your games!!!
I've owned them for 15 years and can happily pirate them back if Steam backs out of the "we'll make sure it stays playable when we go under" promise.
>but don't you want to move to a platform where that won't happen?
Yeah, ideally, but I also already have my library where it is, and I'm not re-buying shit. Why not launch the legitimate copy I have? What is so fucking bad about just existing on this platform that I'm supposed to be suffering for it?

>>714873205
Why are you not white?

>>714881256
I'm not reading that shit, but I'm like 99 percent certain you're from the Indian sub-continent.

>>714873358
How do fucking retards still try to peddle this myth that steam requires an internet connection when they themselves released a fucking portable device that doesn't need to be connected to the internet to play games.
You retards can't think past whatever you saw on reddit.

I remember when PC users made fun of console wars. Now we have StoreWars

>>714871651 (OP)
>-ACK

>>714881290
thanks for reaffirming that having steam in the background is only a problem for ultra poorfags with ancient hardware

>>714881532
Steam users are console users. The steam user base is 70% chinks 10% jeets and 20% people who literally have no idea how to play a PC game without Steam Go on one of the steam game forums sometimes, in between all the moon runes you'll see people needing video tutorials on how to edit .ini files or install a mod

>>714881532
consumers are becoming more retarded. in 20 years /v/ will be simping for paying only $99 to stream live service gaymes from the cloud and say how downloading gaymes is le bad

>>714881532
I suspect it's EGS shills. Maybe they realized there was absolutely nothing to claim was good about Epic and have moved on to shitting on Steam any way they can, including propping up "competition"?

>>714881514
What these people don't understand is that they could have a decent argument if they were asking for people to move away from online stores entirely and ask developers/publishers to release standalone versions of their games that just WORK out of the box/(download)

A good example would be Starsector which you buy,download, and play directly from the developers website. No middlemen or launchers required. No online checks needed. You buy the game and can play it whenever the fuck you want.

>>714873408
GOG is a fucking meme. They don't even bother to check if the games under their "preservation program" run on Wine. Valve at least paid for a lot of improvements to Linux gaming.

>>714881763
Yeah, but it's not about asking for devs to release their shit in a standalone way, it's about making sure you know how evil and bad Steam is. Because the real point is to try and take down the last remaining privately owned gaming company that's actually worth a shit.

>>714881448
Do you actually use GoG? Because I have and consumer friendly is not what I'd call it. The positive is that the games are DRM free (though they did try to slip one game with always online DRM on it, so I don't know if that's still the case), but there are severe issues that fuck with the consumer experience. For example, I could not play my GoG copy of Frostpunk. Why? I idk. It just didn't work. (I haven't tried it on Linux, maybe it works now)
Another example: A game I like got a new DLC, it was released on GoG much later than Steam.
Another example: For several months the GoG galaxy client didn't run at all for me making it impossible to install games because of the following example:
The GoG offline installer you would use in lieu of GoG Galaxy is dogshit and checks your C:\ drive on Windows for disk space, even if you intend to install the game on Z:\ drive.

GoG really needs to be improved to be an useful alternative for Steam. They don't have a Linux client either. Not that I care since Heroic works, but still that's definitely not ideal.

>>714881727
Only third-worlders don't use a tripcode! Quick put one on so we know you're not "chink" or "jeet"!

>>714881939
>Preservation program explicitly says it's only for windows
>BUT IT WONT RUN ON WINE
kill yourself

>>714881982
Some GoG games have a different version than steam too which makes playing multiplayer impossible when there's a mismatch. I doubt that's actually GoG's fault but I know I couldn't play the homeworld remaster with GoG users for whatever reason. In those situations a customer is probably going to buy a multiplayer game on whatever platform has the most amount of players.

>>714881982
>The GoG offline installer you would use in lieu of GoG Galaxy is dogshit and checks your C:\ drive on Windows for disk space, even if you intend to install the game on Z:\ drive.
I can't believe you are actually this retarded

>>714871651 (OP)
They're not the good guys but the competition is worse, GOG being the sole exception but even that can be game-specific, e.g. sometimes you get games where the multiplayer has been completely stripped out, sometimes it's in but requires Galaxy which nullifies the whole reason to buy on GOG, and so on. So I just use both stores and pick the one that makes more sense for a given game, and every other store can fuck off because they offer nothing.

>>714882235
Provide the solution then.

>>714882235
They could change temp files going to the install folder if they cared enough to.

>>714873408
I fucking hate Ubisofts shit. I was going to finally play the South Park gams on an international flight a few months ago, and then learned midair that those games require online connection to boot.

>>714882083
Ironically some of those games work better of you add them to Steam. Valve just.does a better job. Cope.

>>714882414
>of
*if

>>714882374
Yup. Ubisoft also shut down some older game servers which caused DLC people purchased to no longer be available in game to use. Real awesome business practices there. No wonder they're almost bankrupt.

>>714871651 (OP)
Steam doesn't enforce DRM. You can download Cyberpunk from Steam right now, close the launcher and run it from the executable. That's on the developers.

>>714871651 (OP)
>I don't see why they are exhalted as the good guys
They aren't necessarily, they are just the best option and understand that you should not piss on your customers.
>It's online DRM
yeah, it is. What's the alternative? Epic is the same exact shit with a shittier selection, Microsoft notoriously kills access to their DRM and says tough shit not practical to keep supporting what you paid for, Ubisoft will yeet your library they try and tell you if they do this for any reason you need to destroy all physical copies of games you own, EA changed their online store to a shittier "app" and pulled peoples licenses then told them "BUY IT A SECOND TIME FAGGOT", Amazon will deny you library access for moving to a different country, and shit indie stores die and yeet your library.

Steam isn't a monopoly cause they choke out competitio with anticompetitive practices, Steam is a monopoly cause they offer a superior service to all other options even with absolute dogshit customer support. Sure I don't "own" my games, but I can reliably depend on them not pulling something I bought out of my library or removing access to my library cause I upset some faggot who starts report fagging.

GOG is the only real competitor I see, and they are niche focused on older games. They have a chance to be a legit 2nd place with their teaming up with Amazon Prime/Bundle sites as a monthly game distributor... but because of their DRM free approach you will never see the big money newest hits available on their service day 1 (other than CD PROJEKT RED games).
So until a storefront can balance reliability, customer trust, DRM protection with ownership access, minor social features, and low prices you aren't gonna dethrone steam.

I thought Origin had a shot when they had superior customer service, but EA proved why they can never be trusted

>>714881065
I agree with you anon. That doesn't change the reality of the situation.

Gee I wonder who's behind this thread.

>>714883195
OP = raped holy shit

>>714883195
>It's online DRM
>yeah, it is.
It's actually not. Steam is a storefront and a client used for installing and managing a games library. There is a Steam DRM, but it's separate and isn't something that's automatically used in games released on Steam - the developer and publisher decide what DRM (if any) they use.

>STREAM BRAD
>RUSE E. G. RESS. PREASE

>>714883195
>What's the alternative?
Physical you absolute nigger. DRM was a non-issue before the late 2000's.

>>714883649
>DRM was a non-issue before the late 2000's
I shiggy diggy

>>714883649
>DRM was a non-issue before the late 2000's.
Thanks for confirming to everyone in the thread you are underage and have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
Anon, the moment you removed the film of a physical case, you couldn't even return it and any game with a licence key couldn't be re-sold because someone else would be using your key.
Also, you fucking retard, hard drives are still physical media you brain damaged faggot.

>>714883649
>developers should waste all that time and money on plastic shit and involve an entire production line for that shit instead of uploading a file to the server for my satisfaction

>"muh physical" faggots have arrived
its only worse from this point on, the zoom zooms are just echoing talking points they read elsewhere

cant believe there are still "people" here who defend denuvo

>>714883649
>they should make billions of tons of plastic waste and lengthen the video game distribution process thousandfold because... because I NEED to upload a picture with my game cases and funkopops to reddit

>>714884365
What they crave is ownership, cuz digital anything is just not really owning anything.
The ultimate solution is always gonna be piracy. The next best compromise is Steam, at least until Gaben retires. Take it or leave it.

ITT zoomies who don't know the glory days of getting a disc. Putting in the product key and installing the no-CD cracks. So you can play it without the disc inside.
Steam is all you know of pc gaming and I feel sorry for you

>>714881515
im more white than you. And i can prove it

>>714883649
>>What's the alternative?
>Physical you absolute nigger.
Yeah I agree.... but I am dealing with things as they are now. Not living in the past or how I want them to be.
Now where can you get a physical copy of these a new game?
Let's use the example of Doom eternal.
>Buy Disc
>Disc only has a few MB of data on it to act as an unlock key for update
>Use update to distribute the game
>Force Disc to be a physical key
so now they just added an extra layer of bullshit to me playing a game I bought and I still don't own it.

I agree, physical ownership needs to come back in a big way. I was rooting for Switch 2 at first cause Nintendo was the last hold out for owning your games. Then switch 2 showed how fucked the future is for ownership.
>>714883506
GOG has a shot of being a 2nd place. Their partnership with Amazon has lead to big sales and Amazon prime satisfaction cause free monthly games.
But again, GOG has always been niche.
>>714883554
Yes and no. If you don't log on for a certain period the software doesn't work. You can get around this by going in your directories and loading what you have downloaded manually and so long as their is no DRM component it should work, but it has a minor DRM like function, and some DRM features.

>>714884365
>hit buy
>hit download
>hit play
vs
>drive to the shop
>walk into a shop that stinks of piss
>buy a physical game
>seller tries upselling you on shit
>drive home
>place cd in drive
>wait for the installer to start
>get ear-raped by some gay music
>manually input some gay cd-key
>wait an age because installing from cd is slow as fuck even though i have a 52x drive
>have to manually swap the disk over every 8 minutes
>risk-read failure
>have to start all over again from scratch
>this time it works
>load the game
>"you need to update"
>have to download the update files from gamershell because devs were too cheap to host the update themselves
>have to sit in a queue to download a fucking update
>the update file is massive and takes an age on their free shit servers
>install the patch
>finally launch the game
>try to connec to a multiplayer server
>some faggot stole your cd-key from the shop and you can't play because your cd-key is already in use
>you can't even return the game because you opened it and shops don't accept returns because of how easy it is the copy the disks and the cd-key is used

zoom zooms pretending they know anything about buying physical games from shops is so fucking funny to me. they're absolutely clueless.

>>714871651 (OP)
proton was pretty sick, as far as breaking the monopoly over gaming that microsoft/windows had on computer gaming. It's really nice there's an easy alternative now

as far as good guy moves go, that's a huge one

>>714884783
>glory days
why the fuck would anyone want to go back to that shit?
imagine wanting to be at the mercy of in store stock and having to walk out there to even get it when you could get it in a few clicks
playing games has never been easier, those are the glory days

>>714885126
No you absolute fool, the software will work just fine if it doesn't have DRM. I installed a game from Steam, copied that game from 1 computer to another which doesn't have that game installed or Steam running for that matter and it still worked. I can play the video game.

I can play openttd, dwarf fortress and dominions 6 without steam on so it doesn't bother me. I never use it. Maybe you're just buying games that are made by dickheads.

>>714885176
The argument back in the day was that buying physical games treats you like a criminal and you're punished by having a worse experience than pirates. Zoomers don't know about that.

>>714871651 (OP)
they succeeded because of being the first, plus the constant sales that put cucksoles to shame
they are very far from ideal, but they're less bad than most other storefronts by a wide margin (epig, oribitch, jewplay)

>>714872064
>download game
>unplug ethernet cable
>no more annoying shut to deal
>just enjoy the game

>>714885176
Lol.
This is modern "physical games" where now your Disc is just a fragile key to the same download only trash
What it should be currently if the whole industry wasn't angling to fuck consumers

>hit buy (cause it was on sale for 90% off)
>hit download
>accept TOS (and prey they didn't sneak in a bunch of gay retarded bullshit)
>hit play
vs
>Go on online store
>hit buy
>wait 2 days to a week
>put in console fully completed and playable with no need for a day 1 patch or TOS cause its a complete product
>Enjoy forever cause you own that physical copy and so long as the copy runs no one can take it from you.
The problem with modern "physical games" is they aren't physical games, they are digital games with shitty fragile keys.

>>714885251
Speaking of proton, if I were to obtain games not on steam, would I have to download my own compatibility separate from's Steam's?

>>714871651 (OP)
Because they might be evil bu they are also competent, and give off the impression they can be reasoned with because they have complied with the law in the past such as it was the case with refunds.
Moreover, right now there's an industry lobbying group that formed to fight SKG. What is Valve's move? Don't get involved.
I have a lot of issues with Steam and Valve but you gotta appreciate that they are not actively trying to kill gaming.

>>714884365
yes

>>714885176
>some faggot stole your cd-key from the shop and you can't play because your cd-key is already in use

Starcraft CD-keys were so fucking easy to guess.

>>714873358
yeah modern /v/tards don’t understand how rare the internet is in 3rd world favelas

>>714881531
you need the internet to download steam retard

>>714886568
>Starcraft CD-keys were so fucking easy to guess.
Keygens would pass a local check, but would fail online. But then you'd just play over a VLAN anyway.

>>714876910
Your choices for PC game distribution is Epic, GOG, Steam and a handful of really small sites, Steam isn’t prefect by any means but they’re above and beyond their competitors, The Steam Monopoly is real but not by any underhanded means.
Steam Cloud, Workshop, Guides and their own forums are a mixed bag depending on users but usually a plus, that and if Epic put that billions into something other than Fortnite and Exclusives they’d probably be on the same level.
Steam let’s anyone worldwide upload their games as long as it isn’t malware or something they’ll get bad publicity for (Loli for example)

>>714886828
I played online just fine with a random cdkey.

>>714876910
Even worse.
The largest player on the PC market back then was, unsurprisingly, Microsoft, and they wanted to pivot to consoles.
GFWL was their answer to Steam and it was horrible.

>>714881514
Close your steam account and see how many games you "own" there while I keep installing the products I bought from the installers I actually own and can do whatever the fuck I want with.

intellectual property is a Jewish construct - it is not real as You cannot claim the idea.
nor are the certain arrangements of pixels or 0s and 1s illegal or claimable as Your own as they do not really exist in reality but are projection.
pirate everything,
You own everything You pirate.
and if You want privacy,
unplug the ethernet cable for ever.
and if You want clarity,
listen to nothing but Your heart,
find a girl to love and enjoy the nature,
God has put all the laws in Your heart,
good or bad it is for him to judge and not them.
i love Holy Trinity and fucking little girls
stay mad
keep wasting shekels on video games licenses like some fucking mouth breathing faggot that You are

>>714887535
>burn your physical games and see how many you "own"
what a retarded argument

>>714887140
Every single one of those "services" is inferior to other options, and the only one of those that requires purchasing anything from Steam is the workshop, which is a straight up downgrade in all aspects to modding games in any other fashion.

>>714871651 (OP)
>always online
Huh?
You can literally go- Oh nevermind this guy already said it >>714872812

>>714871651 (OP)
Steam is as much DRM as GOG, it's just an account you need to login to download the games you purchased, the only difference is that they offer some basic DRM if the dev wants. They don't force always online DRM, and even their basic DRM is opt-in.
https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/The_big_list_of_DRM-free_games_on_Steam

steamie niggers cannot pull corporate balls out of their mouth, kinda pathetic and sad

>>714888226
>too much of a bitch to actually argue so he's making non descript nebulous jabs at no one

>>714887784
It's so fucking funny how you stupid valve drones keep trying to pretend this is a 1:1.
If you buy a game on GoG you receive the actual game files to download. You can back them up on 15 different drives. You can save them to as many different PCs as you want. You can burn them to a disc and replicate physical media if you want to. Once you make the purchase and download it, you literally never have to sign in, install, or go through any other hoop ever again. It is the digital equal of buying a physical game.
With Steam, you can't even access what you're fucking buying without first installing Steam, and then you are only allowed to install the game from Steams own servers as Steam does it for you.
It's like comparing buying a Spotify subscription to buying a CD from Amazon and saying both are the same

>>714888497
you can do all of that with steam copies and it'll be just as legal
which is to say, it won't

>>714887535
>Close your steam account
Okay, lose your GoG account after having a hard drive failure.
How many games do you own now?
The worst part about these retarded debates is 90% of you guys use Steam daily.

>>714888335
why would i "argue" with drones?
everyone that has been here more than once knows /v/alveshit is just a steamie nigger containment board
you are not allowed to criticize steam or make fun of steamie niggers and their obnoxious steam shilling, constant always on steam threads and PELASE BUY ON STEAM
if i wanted that i would be on reddit
oh wait i already am, it just has 4 in front of reddit and it is four times as many shills

>>714887903
I didn’t say it was perfect but convenience from a shop is what people want

>>714888754
Id plug in my other storage drive which is a clone of the one that is currently plugged in.
>But what if your house also burns down at the same time all that happened

>>714871651 (OP)
BECAUSE
DIGITAL DISTRIBUTION AND "ALWAYS ONLINE DRM", WAS GOING TO BE A THING, NO MATTER WHAT, AND THANK GOD IT'S VALVE WITH THE MONOPOLY.
Just fucking imagine EA being in control? Ubisoft? Sierra? Square-Enix? Literally anybody else, would have fucking RUINED IT!
Valve takes a hands off approach, it's free, it provides a one stop shop for developers and players alike, and all they ask is 30%.
30% is really not that much considering what you're getting.
Again, thank God it's Valve. Everyone else would charge outrageous fees, banned games for dumb shit, make a god awful user experience, charge developers 80%, and just be terrible all around.
This is why they're the good guys: because everyone else is worse.

>>714888819
>everyone
you mean the election tourist reddit zoomers desperate to be angry and contrarian at everything?

>>714873280
>devs make a shit game that can't be played offline
>blame Valve because uuhhh IT'S THEIR FAULT OKAY!?

>>714889224
>heh you are a tourist reddit zoomer
>surely this will bait you into pointless arguing about my steam corpo worship
fuck off nigger
i will keep pirating
cope and waste money on loicenses

>>714889264
Why isn't Valve using their position as a multibillion dollar worldwide company to pressure publishers into not doing things like that, like a much much smaller retailer like GoG is?

>>714871651 (OP)
because every alternative is shit
>Bnet
>EA origin
>Uplay
>Epic games store

>>714889407
Why didn't you answer his question?

>>714889329
then keep pirating
just stop being butthurt about trannies winning because they support things they like

>>714888752
There is nothing illegal whatsoever about making backups of products you own, and storing them on your own drives for personal use.

>>714889606
>le vote with your vallet

keep circle jerking in your designated save le vidya

>>714889667
Problem is those backup copies will refuse to function without the original steam account login and internet access. Completely invalidating the 'backup' scenario since you need to connect to an external service to use them.

>>714888754
When I was young I had a couple game disks. But my baby sibling decided to scratch it all up with a screwdriver or something, and now I literally can't play it. Games of that era often required the disk to run in order to play, and the only way around it was turning it into a digital image, by then it's basically just the Steam way with extra steps.

>>714879724
games need to have the EOS because if they required the shitstore to be installed no one would buy the games

>>714889823
Which is my entire fucking point? Are you illiterate?

>>714889667
cool
so goldberg cracking your steam games and then compressing them and making copies for personal use is just as legal, even moreso because there's an actual digital trail connecting them to you

>>714889756
>i am a nigger that doesn't pay for things he enjoys
why are you in this thread? your opinion is irrelevant, you have no stake in this

Because gaming would be 100 times worse without steam, and you don't even know why, because you're either a zoomer or a normalfag who only became a "epic gamer" 5 years ago.

>buy game on steam
>still have to install denuvo
>still have to install the ubisoft, or 2K, or whatever the fuck launcher
>forced to update the game to launch it
>forced to install steam to install it
>buy game on gog
>download game
>play it

>>714871651 (OP)
The DRM is optional, devs can skip it if they want.

>>714880328
>we need to go back to buying physical copies at gamestop again
No. Physical sucked.

>>714890029
>BUT YOU CAN PIRATE
see >>714881256

>>714890116
>le vote with your wallet
>I le voted past 30 years
>things are as they are because i did it
LOL

>>714871651 (OP)
My biggest gripe with Steam is allowing third party launchers/accounts for single player games. If a third party launcher or account is required for a game, I don't buy it.

>>714890308
>I AM GOING OUT OF MY WAY TO DO WEIRD SCHIZO THINGS BUT DRAGGING A FILE FROM AN ARCHIVE???? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA SAVE ME NIGGERMAN

>>714871651 (OP)
Because you don't remember the alternatives publishers were pushing.

>>714890310
be a nigger all you want
you don't pay taxes, you don't get to complain when you're leeching

>>714890410
>downloading an installer file for a game you bought is weird schizo things
peak corpodrone

>>714890504
so wait
you paid for game thus far
and now games are all sjw tranny shit
so basically you wanted this or are you saying vooting wth wallet does not work
which one is it?

>>714890575
>making fifty backups and obsessing over not having internet for months isn't schizo shit

>>714890218
nononononononon its drm because you have to download the game!
gog just magically wills the data onto your computer!

>>714871651 (OP)
steam_api is platform integration, not DRM according to valve themselves
Replacing it with an emulator is legal

>>714890489
Literally every problem PC gaming had still exists, and now you have Steam on top of it.
DRM didn't go away, 50 different accounts per publisher didn't go away, subscriptions didn't go away, Intrusive anticheats didn't go away, deprecation of compatibility didn't go away. The only thing that changed is now you lost even more consumer rights and gave them to Valve, and you applaud it.

Main takeaway: keep goldberg and GoG in your back pocket, learn to manipulate the update files.

Do the above and bypass the compromise Steam offers.

>>714890826
>Literally every problem PC gaming had still exists
Better console ports
More games coming to PC
PC getting treated more favorably
No more DRM's like SecuROM
There is significally more variety and options in pc gaming
It's a serious competitor against consoles
Emulation is way, way better than it used to be
Kys

>>714890704
>buy game
>download it
>put it on my 8TB storage drive
>every 6-12 months plug in and clone the drive on my other 8-12 storage drive
About as schizo as locking the door when you leave the house.

>>714871651 (OP)
>I do not see why they are exhalted as the good guys of gaming.
it's called brand loyalty.

>>714891286
It's called having basic awareness that without Steam, PC gaming would be fucked.
Not just that, Linux would be fucked without Valve as well (they funded Proton, which Linuxfags now rely on and support Linux in general)

>>714885176
>get banned
>money stolen
>requires internet. basically digital serfdom
vs
>insert disk
>hit install
>hit play. no internet connection required
just werks

>>714891250
what fucking scenario that isn't some doomsday nuclear apocalypse necessitates needing an offline backup of a well available game that's still being sold and can easily be pirated
this IS schizo shit

>>714891498
>get banned
Just don't get banned.

>>714891171
>More games coming to PC
More shovelware and asset flips because Steam has 0 quality control.
>PC getting treated more favorably
Treated by having to run DRM that consoles don't, make accounts and install programs consoles don't, and being unable to run past console framerates without a $1200 GPU that only achieves it via AI upscaling and frame insertion.
>No more DRM's like SecuROM
Yeah now we get even worse shit like Denuvo, VMPrtect, and literal rootkit anticheats that can be exploited to hijack your PC.
>There is significally more variety and options in pc gaming
No, theres far less because now they're just high spec consoles and the entire idea of a PC focused game has been dead for at least 15 years.
>Emulation is way, way better than it used to be
This has nothing to do with Steam.
You're another retarded console migrant who never ran a PC game in his life without Steam, and is obsessed with Steam because you can play your shitty console games with better graphics. You are literally the reason PC gaming is shit.

>>714891734
>You're another retarded console migrant who never ran a PC game in his life without Steam, and is obsessed with Steam because you can play your shitty console games with better graphics. You are literally the reason PC gaming is shit.
I've played on PC for decades. You are a retarded zoomer.

>>714891561
I dunno retard, maybe I want to play a game without downloading it, like I used to for 25 fucking years when physical media was a thing.

>>714891847
>I dunno retard, maybe I want to play a game without downloading it
explain why you're obsessed with not downloading it without sounding like a third worlder with no internet

>>714891628
>yes goy just don't break the vague ToS that gives us the power to close your account at any time at our sole discretion
man, I almost lost my eye writing this when your nose hit me through the monitor

>>714890826
>DRM didn't go away, 50 different accounts per publisher didn't go away, subscriptions didn't go away, Intrusive anticheats didn't go away, deprecation of compatibility didn't go away.
Remember limited installs? Remember no refunds? Remember starforce? Remember needing the disc in + constant connection to a verification server? Remember Ubisoft's server outages preventing people from playing their single player games?

>>714892003
Because it takes 3 seconds to install and 5 minutes to download

>>714892018
>vague ToS
The only thing that will get your Steam account banned completely is scamming people or hacking people's accounts. You can say nigger all day and it will just block your community functions, not the ability to buy and play games.
>>714892107
Downloading on steam takes less time than it used to install from a disc.

>>714872885
>invented lootboxes
>invented battle passes

It's only good while Gabe is still around. The moment he dies the platform will turn to shit.

>>714885176
>zoom zooms pretending they know anything about buying physical games from shop
?
I remember doing exactly that when I was buying World of Warcraft, I think one of the Battlefield games on PC and a few other things.
You guys got some retarded picks for your nostalgia gatekeep.
Also keygen jams but not gonna lie I only ever did one of these once or twice.

>>714892071
Remember limited installs?
Yes I remember today
Remember no refunds?
Forced by the EU government and with the worst refund policy of any store (Epics might be worse I've never even installed it and don't know)
Remember starforce?
Yes and TAGES, GFWL and numerous other shit. Fun fact, all that shit still installs if you buy a game on steam, because the install scripts are never updated!
>Remember needing the disc in + constant connection to a verification server?
Yes I've used Steam before.
>Remember Ubisoft's server outages preventing people from playing their single player games?
This still happens.

>>714891428
>It's called having basic awareness that without Steam, PC gaming would be fucked.
that's like saying without myspace the internet would be fucked. Steam was just there first when the internet was becoming faster and more reliable for the mainstream and established a monopoly. simple as.

>>714892396
Sorry for fucking up the meme arrows because you're a mong who can't line break your points and I had to do it for you.

>>714892003
It's a manner of security and ownership. Security cuz my copy can persist even if the worst happens, and ownership cuz that copy is genuinely mine and I can do anything I want with it.
Frankly, I don't trust even the devs to maintain their games at times, and thus, it makes steam's extreme ease of update work against my desire. So, I'm willing to jump some hoops to specifically preserve that copy of the game.

>>714892292
ToS get revised you kike apologist. there are no guarantees that they won't turn around and ban anyone who's ever said no-no words online, like cucksole companies do.
look no further than dumblr, which completely wiped any NSFW accounts overnight after verizon bought it

>>714892425
>muh monopoly
Ah, there we go. Now imagine that EA, Activision, Ubisoft or Microshart gets that "monopoly" first and you will know why I'd rather have Steam than Games for Windows Live 3.0.

>>714892107
the disparity is never that big
and doing all the shit you did and installing is a way more involved process than just pressing download

>>714892606
If they did they would have to ban all the russian kids and lose all the money they make from Counter Strike or Dota.
>using tumblr as an example
God, the people here are so retarded.

>this corporation are the good guys!!!
>that other corporation are the bad guys!!
when will you niggers learn? the globalization of american values have ruined all internet discussion

>>714892425
yeah but consider what happens if microsoft were the first ones with games for windows live.
People that shit on valve don't realize the alternatives are much worse. Go take a look at ubishit's launcher or whatever if it's still around and think about using that everyday over steam.
>>714892606
they already do ban you for that, but it's limited time bans from the forum or getting muted in counter-strike, they don't stop you from using your games and there's no reason to do that.

>>714892698
I can handle the 10 extra seconds involved of launching the installer and pointing it to my drive without having a meltdown. Try uninstalling tiktok

>>714892728
They provide me good service so I see no need to complain yet.
It can change at any time and I've already made preparations to decouple my library when the inevitable exploitation gets egregious.

>>714892396
>I hate steam because of (bunch of stuff that isn't steam that publishers force on to the platform)

>>714892728
Because having a reasonable or nuanced take is either scorned or not rewarded while acting like a retard is and enables the worst kind of autists.

>>714871651 (OP)
Because they and Nintendo no matter how bad they tend to be will never be as bad as current Sony and Microsoft and if you dare try to make an argument out of it, you're either a paid third world Snoy or a street shitting Xbot.

>>714892990
Its almost as if a storefront can have consumer friendly principals and enforce standards upon corporations that wish tho sell their products

>>714892838
anyone can
no one thinks you're tough or smart for spending 5 seconds on a process that can do itself in 10 seconds

>>714892990
>NOTHING BAD ABOUT STEAM IS RELATED TO IT
how do i get as mentally ill as you

>>714893119
So why don't you do it?

>>714892990
Steam's the location, so I WILL blame the location for having greedy niggers step on it instead of the greedy niggers.

>>714893246
i have way better things to do

>>714892990
I'm going to agree with all the other posts I just made

>>714892990
>STEAM SAVED PC GAMING AND STOPPED IT FROM BEING RUINED BY ALL THE SHITTY PUBLISHERS
>all that shit still happens and is even worse now, and now Steam takes more of your rights away on top of it
>THATS NOT VALVES FAULT
You are legit mentally ill. You have a parasocial relationship with a corporation.

>>714893246
because you gain nothing by doing it?

>>714893458
Well besides money.

>>714893458
You don't like owning things?

>>714881327
lol newfag I'm on it since 2003
>>714893407
>all that shit still happens and is even worse now
you are an actual zoomer that never played pc games back in the day if you think this is true.

steamfags ITT will tell you with a straight face that denuvo is somehow more tolerable than securom and starforce

>>714893487
i'm not stealing games i like

>>714893503
steam has been out for 20 years and you can still play those games on modern systems
i much prefer this method of ownership

>>714892835
>they don't stop you
for now. but what about when the fat hippopotamus croaks?

>>714893105
>enforce standards
That's how you end up with lawsuits.
Look at what Apple is going through.

>>714893407
It's either this or piracy, cuz I ain't got the time and energy to prowl gamestops and yard sales for an old console game when its ISO is literally archived online or on sale at GoG or Steam.

>>714892990
>its not the politicians fault its the immigrants!!!

>>714879868
And your asking for a feature less then 1% of the base would care about... I own a steam deck and play off line all the time no issues. I can't say the same for my Xbox when the Internet went out and it couldn't verify ownership... Or when playstation network went down and people couldn't even play single player games..
Ultimately I'm all for more features and user-friendly experience but what's the magic alternative store front that offers the features your are asking for

>>714893508
2002
>buy PC game from Walmart
>put the CD in, install the files, sometimes have to leave the CD in
>launch game, asks for the CD key
>have to make a gamespy account or something to play online
2025
>forced to install steam
>forced to install denuvo
>forced to install the EA App
>forced to create an EA Play account
>forced to run all of these at the same time
>servers get shut down 8 months later
>can't play game at all
Thank you steam for SAVING PC gaming!

>>714871651 (OP)
>It's literally always online DRM
It literally isn't.

>>714893650
Can you play them if you close your steam account?

>>714876840
>bombarded with pop-up advertisements as soon as you open the steam launcher to play your game
just disable it?

>>714893882
why the fuck would i do that

>>714892631
>Steam than Games for Windows Live 3.0.
implying Steam and Valve didn't establish lootboxes. but why am i even trying to talk to blind corporate loyalists like you.

>>714893882
>if you close your steam account?
Why would I do that?

Everyone complaining about additional third party launchers are just revealing themselves to have shit taste in games
>my ubislop and steaming EA shit wont work wtihout an extra launcher!
Who gives a fuck about any of those shit games

>>714893914
What would be the harm in it? Just make a new account if you want to. its not like all the games would disappear forever or anything right?

>>714893659
I don't expect anything to happen because valve employees have almost always been pretty off-hand and chill about these things, including gabe's son and anyone you could consider a "higher up" in the company. They actually have pretty few employees given how big they are and it has a unique culture that makes it different from other fag companies.
If it was a new platform then I see your point, but steam has been around for a very long time now and I do personally trust the service.
>>714893808
you are so fucking clueless it is funny dude, no pc gaming was not as easy as that in 2002 a lot of the time. CD key checks alone weren't the only forms of "Drm" being used, and we had entire websites dedicated to getting around obtrusive DRM that was so bad they prevented you from playing games as a legit customer. You can even find many rants on like 2006 yt about this if the search function wasn't shit, I can even find a popular one for you.
and no fag, 99% of games on steam don't use denuvo or ea.

>>714894007
Those are basically the only games that aren't on GoG

>>714893808
Did you forget about SecuROM?
Don't pretend like were weren't getting fucked over back then too.

>>714894017
i ask again, why would i want to delete my account
can you use your physical media after you destroy it? no
why would you do it? you wouldn't

ask a console fag how many PS1, PS2 or PS3 games they can play on their PS5

>>714894161
I dunno, if you asked me like 5 years ago I'd say "Why would I ever close my PayPal account?" But then they decided if I do a wrongthink they'll foreclose my bank account, and here we are.

>>714893808
"sometimes"
Yeah my arse. You even had to have the CD in drive for many pirated games lmao. I think just a bit after 2002 they released StarForce too which literally installed a malicious driver on your computer.

>>714894063
>j-just trust the big corpo bro
and that's all valveshills can say at the end of the day

>>714894283
>I dunno
i accept your concession then
your argument is based entirely on schizo conjecture

>>714894284
wanna hear something funny? the same cunts behind (((securom))) and (((starforce))) are the ones behind (((denuvo))), cancerous to the bitter end

>>714894136
>>714894284
>Steam saved PC gaming
its actually even worse now
>Yeah, but it used to be shit too!
The eternal valve drone loop

>>714886228
You can just add the games to Steam or use something like Lutris or Heroic.

>steam le saved pc gaming!!!
valve are the pioneers or everything bad we see in the game industry
>b-but it was inevitable!!
sure, but valve jews were the first to do it

Just pirate bros. And get better taste, cuz denuvo preys on the nefarious-minded developer, so it's a general red flag.

>>714894290
unlike many other companies they have a 21+ year track record, so yeah I don't mind trusting them. They've done much more that I agree with than disagree.
Society functions based on trust, I'm guessing you trust the fact that you won't drop dead from buying a soda at a grocery store because of trust in regulatory organizations.
Maybe a shit example but you get the point. If you don't like valve you can just pirate everything, Valve doesn't have an actual monopoly on anything.

>>714894674
gabe will die and jews will rape valve and steam, stop praising corporations

>>714894563
yeah, the best refund conditions and branching out to open source is horrible, i just wish we had it like the consolecucks with no refunds and walled gardens

>>714871651 (OP)
>another Steam, Valve derangement syndrome thread
What happened now?
Did Nintendo or Epic suffered another humiliation ritual?

>>714871651 (OP)
>he doesnt steamless
gitgud

>>714894674
society functions based on punishment, only a retard that lives in a bubble would think otherwise. let me guess, do you believe in a (((high trust society)))?

>>714894778
they won't, gabe isn't even that involved in the company for more than a decade lol.
>stop praising corporations
if they do something good then I have no reason not to. Not a single launcher on pc has come close to steam in current year, not even the ones with fortnite money backing them like epic games.

>>714894442
I dunno what kind of corporate drone you are, but stfu and don't reply to me when I talk about history. I don't give a shit about Valve or whatever you're trying to advertise you dumb hack.

>>714894367
StarForce was made by a Russian company called StarForce Technologies. They still exist today. https://www.star-force.com
I'm not sure about Securom, Denuvo and Securom are connected for sure but it's a complicated web of corporate mergers so are they the same developers at this point? Not so sure.

>>714894779
GoG has a 30 day no questions asked refund policy. Steams refund policy is draconian even for digital media and they had to be threatened with legal action just to implement it.

>>714894808
No just one of the resident autists wanting to argue again

>>714894880
>let me guess, do you believe in a (((high trust society)))?
yes, that's the only way a society functions. Punishment based societies are just a band-aid fix like america that has the most imprisoned population on earth but a shit ton of crime.

>>714871651 (OP)
>my Gaben ''wins by doing nothing'' thread got deleted as fanboyism flamewar
>meanwhile the daily anti-steam threads never ever get deleted
what did the moderation team mean by this?

>>714871651 (OP)
Are you not chronically online?

>>714894965
gog is also incredibly tiny and would be completely irrelevant without the freedom pandering
look at nintendo or sony's refund policies and come back

>>714895117
I dont play console games which is why I don't use Steam

>>714895062
>does nothing
>ruins pc gaming and taints the industry forever
doesnt sound like "doing nothing" to me

>>714895176
your reply would look fantastic as a twitter post
but this isn't twitter so it's just fucking gay
no one that can compare to steam's dominant position can compare in consumer friendliness

>>714873280
Explain in detail what Valve has to do with denuvo

>>714895356
>deploys mobster tactics against any devs who dare offer their games for cheaper outside steam
they're a bunch of monopolist bullies

>>714871651 (OP)
Companies keep telling that they cannot afford being pro consumer.
People keep pointing to the de facto leader of PC gaming and say "Well, they are successful AND (relatively) pro consumer. What's your excuse now?".
If they also got shoveled in shit, then it would mean proving all those companies right.

>>714895487
Why do they allow it to be included with products they sell?

>>714895551
There is nothing pro consumer in any way about Steam and the only way you can even make that appear to be the case is to compare them to even more anti consumer options.

>>714895562
bro its not dealers fault that there was fent that killed u in cocaine he sold wtf

>>714895562
Why should they not allow it?

>>714895549
this claim has been disproven hundreds of times yet you bots wipe your ram immediately after those threads get archived

>>714895686
Because it provides 0 benefit to the customer and is not required for the product to function.

>>714895562
Because jewish publishers would take their games elsewhere. Look at GOG. Great platform, but they hemorrhage money because everything is on steam

>>714895896
Steam is one of the largest online retailers in the world. They could easily strongarm anyone if they cared.

>>714895896
honestly i believe that allowing it is a black mark that resulted from steam's laissez faire attitude
they could just wipe it and cite how it doesn't help combatting piracy and those fuckers would have no choice because no one wants to go to those gay corporate stores

>>714871651 (OP)
>I do not see why they are exhalted as the good guys of gaming. It's literally always online DRM.
It's essentially thanks to STEAM and its well made tag-system that Indy games have a chance to reach their target public.
Thanks to it I've played niches games, I would otherwise never have learned about, even from another fans.

I'm annoyed they basically took control of PC gaming and could do all sort of horrible shit with it.
So far they are NOT overusing that advantage or even trying to take down their opponent.
Even the supposedly "evil 30% tax" is a fair market price to have your games constantly advertised to the same level as other AAA game. and unlike EPIC, Steam don't even forbid the developers from still selling their game through their own means.

Hell, I've bought Rimworld and other games OUTSIDE of steam and was allowed to have them recognized for free as Steam games.
So that basically Steam sending me automatic update for FREE.

>>714895896
EA and Ubisoft both told Valve to fuck off, made their own services, which both flopped, went back to Steam, and then forced those services to still be installed with Steam purchases.
Valve had every upper hand in those dealings and did not care to inconvenience the paying consumer over the corporation.

>>714895702
do I need to start posting screenshots of emails where valve asks devs not to "undercut" steam's prices?

>>714895783
I mean I think buying the game on Steam offers at least some benefit over having to buy the game from the publishers own launcher.

>>714873408
If Steam forbid a game developer to do whatever modification they want for obscure rule, you'd be complaining about that.
The only one at fault is you for not pressuring the developers to not use shitty anti-piracy method.

>>714896467
you mean the ones where they sold steam keys outside steam? those ones?

>>714896467
key word: alleges
what was the result of this lawsuit? Stinks like shit because fanatical and humblebundle both have lower priced games than steam and are well known services going back years.

>>714896467
NOO BASED GABE WOULD NEVER

gotta love every valve KEK trying to cope their hardest in these threads

>>714896587
It offers 0 benefit because you have done nothing except add another layer of DRM. Instead of the game needing EA's shit and denuvo, it now needs ea's shit, denuevo, and valves shit.

>>714873731
>>714874380
>>714873880
Nta but pirating a game you have a RISK of getting malware.
Installing EGS you get a malware.

>>714896784
So don't buy it on Steam, buy it from EA's shit?

Piracy is the magic solution. Complain less, game more, die happier.

>>714896838
Yes, thats my whole point. Valve already told them to fuck off, they failed, and then Valve let them crawl back and fuck over the paying user anyway. Valve does not give a fuck about you, and there is nothing pro consumer about them

>piracy
>gog
>steam
this is how you should buy games, in that order

>>714897041
I don't see what Valve has to do with the business practices of EA. EA is not a subsidiary of Valve.

I remember how things were for PC gaming before Steam started to get big.
It was dire.
>increasingly small sections for PC games in shops
>GFWL
>STARFORCE
No sir, don't take me back at all.

>>714878739
>post a good game
>same price as other shop
What's your point?

>>714897190
Why does valve allow EA to include their failed service platform as a forced and required install on all their games?

>>714897558
Because Steam is a store that doesn't have a rule explicitly prohibiting that type of software? They inform the customer about the nature of the software being sold.

>>714871651 (OP)
I can share games in my library with friends and vice versa. Even delisted games.

>>714897558
the real answer is because they're basically libertarians and don't give a fuck. They'll give you the information and you can make your own informed choice as a consumer, it's your own fault if you're a braindead retard and buy those games.

>>714881327
>>714893508
>lol newfag I'm on it since 2003
At this point I'm pretty sure you can use this metric to know who played Half-Life 2 & Portal.

>>714897558
That's business between you and EA. Steam is the floor you two stand on to transact. You can choose to not buy EA shit, mate.

>>714897779
>>714897873
>>714897959
Well ok then I'll continue to use my consumer rights to not buy games on steam

>>714898105
Ok? Did you think that you need our permission or what?

>>714898105
....k?

>>714897953
>proud slave since 2003

>>714898105
sure, but that's also why valve is not really a monopoly or some evil force as some people make them out to be. It's hard to argue they're a monopoly when you can basically download basically every pc game ever for free without giving them a penny, and that doesn't even include console emulation.
Valve goes out of their way to offer things like cloud saves, built-in mods, forums, screenshot hubs, etc etc. but if you don't consider it worthwhile then you don't need to use steam.

>>714871651 (OP)
>>714872064
>>714872837
https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/0E18-319B-E34B-B2C8

>>714873280
Play those offline on console, without connecting to the internet for any downloads.

>>714872812
The movie got cancelled BTW

>>714898326
>buying hl2 when it came out is uhh.. basically slavery n shiet

>>714872812
/thread

>>714898541
>i bought it on release
dont care slave drone

>>714898687
>don't care but gonna sit here and continue posting about steam cuz uh... reasons
just tell us you started gayming in 2015 anon

>>714898797
what the fuck are you even on about dronie?
im just here to make fun of drones that pay for licenses is all

>>714877324
I can't tell if this is bait or just typical retarded console cock gobbling. Poe's law is a bitch.

>>714898939
>look I heckin pirate everything give me attention!!

>>714899053
mad manchild cause someone has actual iq and is not a manchild
lol

>>714899228
according to you brazilians and mexicans are the smartest in the world, nice try kek.

>>714899293
????????????
mad drone is mad

>>714899293
>>714899228
forgot to throw in jeets
>>714899376
I accept your concession, chud. good luck in your next daily steam thread.

People here are ok with game keys and disregard denuvo if they like the game.
All the drm concerns are just performative here, everyone is a poser.

>>714899458
lol keep coping manchild

>>714899513
>saar keep coping saaar we indians are the smartest because we don't buy anything
holy kek

Valve is the definition of how many cancerous things a powerful brand can get away with.

>Valve has a stifling monopoly on gaming, that takes 30% from publishers just because (even though that percentage is based on console companies needing to keep parity with physical shops that inevitably have more costs). dont want to be subjected to the 30% parity? too bad you are forced to because Steam controls 95% of the market.
>They bought literal free user created maps (Counter Strike and Dota), to keep as exclusives that operate as online casinos. let me repeat that: exclusives that generate infinite money, aka the only exclusives a company they will ever need.
>They are PIONEERS of lootboxes and monetized user created mods. enough said.
>They take billions from the industry and they never produce games. ever.
>they sold the ILLUSION of owning games resulting in morons paying for huge libraries of games that will never play because it appears to be good value. aka a scam.

but yeah that's cool because of some reddit memes daddy gaben cannot count to three.

>>714899631
Valve isn't a monopoly you turbo retard lmao.

>>714899596 i am indeed whiter and smarter than You, drone

>>714899736
LMAO
of course the fucking jeet is a literal pedophile hahahahaha

>>714871651 (OP)
You only need to be online to download the game. Other than that it's the best service in every way. They also used to have good deals 11-12 years ago until 3rd worlders with their trading and Europeans with their consumer rights shit ruined it. I'm steam only til I die

>>714871651 (OP)
It can literally be circumvented with a text file.

>>714899814
keep projecting brownie

>>714899736
the absolute state of steam haters holy shit

>>714871651 (OP)
>I do not see why they are exhalted as the good guys of gaming
who are the good guys then?

>>714899991
he probably hates steam because they don't allow cp tier games on it anymore.
not even a joke, it's an actual reason I've seen pedophiles like him shitting on steam, he went full mask off after getting buck broken

>>714899631
>30% from publishers just because (even though that percentage is based on console companies needing to keep parity with physical shops that inevitably have more costs)
They matched parity with brick and mortar store, consoles used to take more then 30% back then.

>>714900139
If you haven't noticed he just hates Steam and probably PC gaming as a whole

>>714899736
Absolutely fucking based. Steamtroon shills are BTFO

>LE STEAM HATERS HATE LE PC GAYMINNNNN SHILS ARE BTFOOOO
lol u are a manchild brown nigger

>>714900139
>censorship is... LE GOOD!
The least mentally ill steamie.

People like to shit on steam but then every other alternative is worse by a large margin, especially in consoletard land.

>>714900523
>certain combinations of 0s and 1s are illegal
what did the 30 year old virgins mean by this?

>>714900528
Wow, almost like nobody fucking needs a 3rd party botnet cancer between the player and a video game? Who could've fucking guessed.

>>714889126
>This is why they're the good guys: because everyone else is worse.
kek but true.
They are the least horrible company to take absolute control of PC gaming.

>>714873205
my wigger

>>714900612
but people want to download games in one click and have them all aggregated in one place?

>>714894808
Fortnite numbers are at all time lows so epigs are lashing out.

Thought about STEAM acting against in-game advertising?

>>714899631
>takes 30% from publishers
Here's what the epin merchant beancounter suit golems do not understand. The money is coming from the customer. I am the one paying, the source of the money. I am alright with Valve taking the cut because Steam provides me a lot of useful services for no extra charge and no ongoing cost at all.

The publisher can shit & piss itself in perpetuity, if you don't like it then make a better service than Steam so that I may use that instead.

>>714900825
>"""people"""
Only mentally ill zoomers who were born with botnet up their ass and don't even know what gaming looked like before steam cancer.

>>714900939
>no i want to see my shit clusterfucked because... because it's not as easy!!!

Terry Davis, Creator of Temple OS > Quotes > Quotable Quote


(?)
“An idiot admires complexity, a genius admires simplicity, a physicist tries to make it simple, for an idiot anything the more complicated it is the more he will admire it, if you make something so clusterfucked he can't understand it he's gonna think you're a god cause you made it so complicated nobody can understand it. That's how they write journals in Academics, they try to make it so complicated people think you're a genius”
― Terry Davis, Creator of Temple OS

>>714881743
they do it already, download codes in boxes for consoles, game pass for broke fags on a netflix subscription, games costing 80 to push you to use the subscription, game companies shutting down because they didnt even notice that it fucks their sales also by raising their own prices due to greed that people go to goy pass

its all retardation and greed, if you dont pirate at this point you are a faggot plain and simple

>>714878739
>Rolls out paid mods.
>User outrage
>Valve listens to Steamies and rolls back getting rid of paid mods.
It's a mystery why people like Valve.

>>714901035
>not being forced to launch the absolutely unrelated 3rd party botnet software, wait for it to connect to internet, sell all your data and download useless bloatware updates is the "hard way" apparently
How fucking brain damaged you need to be to think that clicking the .exe file and just playing the fucking game is somehow harder.

>>714896467
You can pretty easily find examples directly contradicting this idea.
Comparing base prices to steam

Enter the gungeon
Cheaper in GoG
>Dead Cells
Cheaper in microsoft store and epic
>What Remains of Edith Finch
Cheaper on gog
>Darkest Dungeon 1
Cheaper on gog and epic

>this entire thread
steamfags really are consolefags tier

>>714890258
No it didn't.
Reason people people went digital was because it was cheap and was more or less the same experience as a disc.

Now digital is playing retarded games with DRM games and pulling licenses they couldn't pull on physical.

>>714901390
>make account
>download steam
>buy any game you want
>download however many games you want
>play
5 minutes + however long it takes to download

or
>go to the shop
>hope they have the game you want
>go back home
>install

at least half an hour of travel itself plus the travel preparation

>make an account
>download game
>make account on website 2
>download game

steam IS simplicity

>>714901952
>No it didn't.
lol

>>714901969
>installing unrelated botnet is simplicity
>being forced to launch it every time is simplicity
>having to live with the mandatory steam system service that is stealing your data even when you are not playing games is simplicity
Lmao. Fucking zoomers, I swear.

>>714902284
>unrelated
it aggregates your games
>being forced to launch it every time is simplicity
your launch at startup option sperg?
>having to live with the mandatory steam system service that is stealing your data even when you are not playing games is simplicity
if you have a phone or windows installed you have no right to bitch about this

>Meltdown over Steam in 2025

>>714902886
Any year, really. The whole point of GOG and Steam is that they offer convenient alternatives to piracy, I feel like only Epicfags or console warriors who don't understand computers can be mad about that. For instance, I bought Typing of the Dead Overkill because it was on sale and convenient. I'm hungry for more but the other games are not convenient to buy so I'll be turning to the burner laptop and my good friends Proton and qBit.

>>714902284
why are you wasting your time? literal /v/alveshit board filled to brim with these mouthbreathers

>>714902284
Schizoposting again I see?

>>714902608
>>714903867
Not an argument. 18+ website, zoomer.

>>714904062
>i disagree
i accept your concession

>>714904183
You didn't post any arguments to disagree with, zoom zoom. Go back to shilling your CIA kike trash somewhere else.

>>714904410
read >>714902608 again

>>714872812
Madoka's anime is mid af.

>>714876840
Piracy is great for singleplayer games of developers you don't want to support, or of games you aren't that interested in. That being said, some of us want to support studios we like because otherwise they won't keep making games. Also, it's a pain in the ass if you want to play multiplayer, sometimes impossible. There's valid reasons for not wanting to pirate everything.

>>714899631
>>Valve has a stifling monopoly on gaming
Stopped reading there.

>>714902284
>>714904062
Burden of proof is on your end chief. Besides pointless shit like playtime and voluntary system specs, what exactly do you think they're data mining from you?
Also it's funny you're calling us kids when you clearly don't know what a botnet is.

>>714899631
>Valve has a stifling monopoly on gaming
This isn't Valve's fault as far as it's not Nintendo's fault. Their competitors are just retarded and either don't know why Steam and Switch keep winning or simply refuses to follow their lead because instead of caring for the consumer, they want to control the industry and make what they want so they can control the consumer instead of giving them what they actually want.

>copy dll into game folder
>drm defeated
wooooow so hard

>>714906696
>tech illiterate zoomer doesn't even know how to check his system services
>he never even questioned why steam forcefully installed a service with autolaunch on startup setting
The absolute state of a tech illiterate underage summerfags. I bet you have 20 different (((launchers))) and kernel level (((anticheats))) installed on your PC too.
https://spyware.neocities.org/articles/steam

>>714872885
I thought CoD did or did CS:GO do it first?

>>714872812
/thread
>>714873280
denuvo =/= valve/steam.
>Steam is cancer that propagates cancer.
nigga all the AAA companies would pull out if steam put their foot down on this i don't give a shit if you hate them as much as i do you'd be retarded not to realize how fucking awful of a business move that would be.

>corpo i like is le good
steamie niggers need to get roped NOW

>Crying egsfag thread #84231134
>I can still move my game files and use Goldberg

>>714907256
I don't run Windows. I find it funny that you're worried about Steam stealing your data based on some shit website, but are okay with giving all your shit to Microsoft.
Also, if you're only insult is [[zoomer]] it says alot about the lack of accomplishments in your life.
Yep, schizoposting.

still not using egs

>>714907693
I like how you didn't reply to my post (>>714907609) in the hopes I wouldn't see that you replied to me. I also like that you have absolutely no retort other than to call me a nigger. Your concession has been accepted, and the rope is for you - not me. Tell Timmy I said hello.

>>714872812
no you can't

literally pull out your ethernet cable right now and try it

>>714907256
I don't have any kind of Steam autolaunch lol
Kernel level anti-cheats don't work either.

seek mental help steamie nigger

>>714902886
>its the current year

kys faggot animeposter steamies faggot

>>714871651 (OP)
Its funny that pajeets started shitting on Steam when Microsoft tried and failed to purchase it.

>>714909194
just because you can use inspect element doesn't mean you can change your habits. you are as transparent as the barb chandler.

>>714909458
>the barb chandler.
absent-mindedly said "the," a small mistake that will surely not be used to call me a brownoid.

>>714909194
>Using anything but Tomorrow on a blue board

>>714908110
not like they're any better to steam when it comes to cancerous drm

>>714901969
>open qbittorrent
>load the .torrent file
>download
>run the ISO
>install the game
>game is now yours 100% and works without internet forever

this is simplicity

>>714909401
posts that aged poorly?

>>714871651 (OP)
People who play video games get what they deserve.

>>714909401
It's funny that zoomers don't even know that literally fucking everyone was shitting on this cancerous botnet back in the days, when valve was trying to force it down everyone's throat. Imagine buying orange box only to learn that you can't even use it without installing this trash.

>goglins and egs chinks have done nothing but seethe over steamchads pushing their shit in for years
seeing the tears of regret from users building libraries on inferior platforms never gets old
keep it up

>>714909571
we are not even on same site probably

>>714872885
Pretty sure activison did the seasonal battlepass first.

>>714909846
>Imagine buying orange box only to learn that you can't even use it without installing this trash.
?
I had the orange box on PS3 and don't recall having to do anything extra to play any of its games.

>>714909989
>newfag doesnt even know what Tomorrow is

>>714909763
Did he buy it?
>>714909846
I bought the Orange Box.

>>714871651 (OP)
Either the laws change to force Steam to disable DRM or let users bypass it or everyone eventually loses their games. There are no other scenarios. No company lasts forever.

>>714910123
again, we are not even on the same site, i am not connecting directly to 4shalom.org, you seem to be the thing you screeche about

If steam wasn't a niggershit kike company they could've just allowed downloading games from web like gog does, completely bypassing their shitty spyware. But no, they want your data, they will force you to launch their shitty bloatware every single time you want to play a video game.

>>714909401
They're doing it to Nintendo to because Microsoft Gaming again failed to purchase them.

If GOG wasn't a niggershit kike company they could've just allowed downloading games using torrents like tpb does, completely bypassing their shitty spyware. But no, they want your data, they will force you to launch their shitty bloatware every single time you want to play a video game

>>714911050
Steam doesn't force DRM, that's entirely up to the Devs.

Wait, is this the designated brown kid Steam-hate thread? I knew I was forgetting seeing something on a Tuesday

>>714912198
He knows this, he keeps posting the same thing, he gets blown the fuck out, starts pakiposting and slinging dhit, the posts the same thing hours later.

>>714912562
why do valve games have "anticheat" with ring level access than? uh oh

>>714909224
>reddit spacing
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>>714909846
But Orange Box was well after Steam got good.

>>714871651 (OP)
If you grow up in a cult, you are significantly less likely to leave it. Steamies wete brainwashed from childhood to love it.

>>714876640
>>714895562
im not spending millions of dollars and 6 years of devtime and not have antipiracy on my game
if steam ever has an anti third party drm policy you bet your ass every publisher on the planet will move on to whatever client allows it and theres dozens of companies willing to make a client just for that

>>714916167
>no alternative exists
>but don't use it!!!!!!!