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BRINGING MORE THAN HYPE!

It’s unironically not his fault. How could he have known that when he bought all of those studios that they were all going to be lazy faggots and release a bunch of games with an average metacritic score in the 60s-70s?

>>714877249 (OP)
EA is still worse as a company, comparing the ones they closed to what Xbox closed it's not even close. Way more quality from these studios and these studios and their IP still had life in them unlike a good portion of those studios and their games.

>>714877249 (OP)
Redfall was great!

>>714877249 (OP)
Sony will have the same problem.
>No one has money to spend on $80 videogames, even though they were far more expensive in the past.
Life is unaffordable because most people live alone as opposed to with a partner. This doubles demand for housing, transportation, and the price of utilities. It also means less disposable income per household. Gen Z can't afford gaming, and it will only get worse.
>Game development prices have skyrocketed in order to make the biggest most graphically intensive games. This has also led to creative stagnation.
Some Indy games made by four spergs in a basement are roflcrushing international teams of "professionals".

Gaming industry crash soon. Good riddance.

>work at a studio making games
>one day for no good reason microsoft buys your studio, cancels your game, and fires you
>job stolen
How is this even legal?

Not defending Phil or anything, but aside from Bach, who else actually had a good track record as an Xbox lead?

>>714877731
>convince management to waste 90 billion on studio acquisition without having a roi plan
>ITS NOT HIS FAULT BRO

>>714877731
>>714879698
Phil bought into the meme that if you give developers infinite money and freedom, then they will deliver awesome games. In reality publishers need to wrangle these retards, or they'll give you fucking Pentiment, Starfield and Hellblade 2

>>714879853
Wasn't he a VP or did Moore become the division head too?

>>714877249 (OP)
>>714877831
firing devs is based

>>714879698
It's impossible to predict markets, but they were fools to plan on infinite growth.

Thanks Phil, you're horrible leadership brought a swift end to the console wars

arkane has never made a good game. dishonored 1 and prey are mid at best and everything else sucks.

>>714877249 (OP)
>Kamiya lost

Good

>>714877249 (OP)
>>714877571
OP thoughts on
>“We’re not in the business of out-consoling Sony or out-consoling Nintendo. There isn’t really a great solution or win for us. I know that will upset a ton of people, but it’s just the truth of the matter. When you’re third place in the console marketplace and the top two players are as strong as they are and, in certain cases, have very discrete focus on doing deals and other things make being on Xbox hard as a team - that’s on us, not on anybody else...But we’re not in a position - and I see out there, I see commentary, that if you just build great games everything would turn around. It’s just not true that if we go off and build great games, all of the sudden you’re going to see console shares shift in some dramatic way.
>....I see a lot of pundits out there that kinda want to go back to the time when we all had cartridges and discs and every new generation was a clean slate and you could switch the whole share. That’s just not the world that we are in today. There’s no world where Starfield is an 11/10 and people start selling their PS5s. That’s not gonna happen.”
Phil Spencer (CEO Microsoft Xbox Gaming)

>>714877249 (OP)
Have XBox considered making and releasing games? Instead of making and cancelling them?

>>714877249 (OP)
His worst mistake was killing exclusives

>>714877731
>wtf what do you mean if i don't properly manage studios they won't do anything?

>>714880075
I still don't understand how this keeps happening with them

no I don't want to get hyped for indie shit like Pentiment or 3 hour movie games like Hellblade 2

Microsoft is the wealthiest company on the planet, they should've been the first people to make an actual AAAA game, but no

I have never bought an Xbox console. I will never buy gamepass.

>>714877249 (OP)
Fable got cancelled?

I honestly want the gaming industry to all get fired. Bunch of troons and noggers

>>714882582
wow what a remarkable retard. Imagine companies like Nike going "you know what, adidas makes cool shoes too and they sell a lot more, we're gonna start selling our shoes in their stores now because it's just the only way to survive"

>>714883365
After Fable 3 released there was another Fable game for the Kinect. Then Microsoft closed the entire studio. The Fable reboot project has been in pre-productop->development for a period of at least 6-7 years with nothing to show for it, not even 5 minutes of gameplay. When Witcher 3 was announced we got gameplay, we don't even have the tutorial town of Fable reboot in any gameplay slice.

Fable Xbox Series reboot has been unceremoniously delayed from 2025 to undetermined 2026. Reaching closer to a full decade of game development, keep that in the back of your head should they ever show a real gameplay debut.

>>714877249 (OP)
>Halo BR
Who the fuck would want to play Brazilian Halo?

>>714884234
Wasn't Eldewrito BR Halo? Or was it Russian?

>>714877249 (OP)
embrace
extend
extinguish
That's why he's still there.

>>714877249 (OP)
>Fable Legends
That shit deserved to get canned, it was terrible and was so obviously going to be disgustingly monetised.

>>714877249 (OP)
Is there a bigger red flag you need to find another job than Microsoft buying your company?

>>714877731
it's Phil and this faggot's job to make sure studios are actually making games. both of them sat on their hands for 10 years expecting people to work hard when handed unlimited money and no deadlines.

>>714879853
>ships a console with RROD

>>714883365
There was a prior fable game that has awful early playtest reviews. Microsoft canned the while thing and started over. It was coop f2p gaas shit.

>cancelled two “projects” that didn’t even have names and would probably amount to fuck-all like most of them do
>lost the “writer” of Halo (actually writer of a tie-in book and cinematic director for Halo 2 and 3)
>”lost” Kamiya like he ever actually worked for Microsoft at any point (and crediting him as DMC creator even though the series only made it big after a better director took over)
>”lost” Tameem “Fuck You” Antoniades like that’s a bad thing
>le 6 gorillion jobs in the industry lost like the bloat of superfluous personnel that contributes nothing to game development is good for studios to begin with
This reeks of industry bootlicker behavior. Phil did a lot of dumb shit, you don’t have to make up new things or pretend what few good calls he made were actually bad in order to try and move people with this “oh the humanity” bullshit.

Fable was their biggest fuck up desu, that entire IP had so much potential
It could have been Skyrim but instead they had 2 good games decided they needed another ASAP with reused ideas then scrapped the IP becuase there was nothing left to do with it.
Fable's mix of life sim + RPG would have made it a fantastic MMO

Every criticism about the model Microsoft was on was handwaved with "infinite Microsoft warchest money". Cancelling games and closing studios definitely feels like a "infinite money" that deep rooted Xbox fanboys shouted about for ten years.

>>714885145
>and crediting him as DMC creator even though the series only made it big after a better director took over
holy cope

>>714880109
He was the head of Xbox from 2004 to 2010, which is literally the peak of the brand

>>714885459
A better director for DMC, yes. It is often the case that a creative’s pet project will turn out less successful than their less personally significant projects because they don’t overthink it as much (Francis Ford Coppola is a great example of this).
And let’s not pretend it was ENTIRELY his fault that it was rushed and poorly optimized like it was.

Turning Fable into an MMO is the dumbest idea yet. Even dumber than Microsoft making a LEGO style Fable Arcade game and their weird Fable Kinect motion control game. Fable is analogue to Nintendo's Fire Emblem with a bigger budget. Unfortunately this is too difficult to make a game design because Phil Spencer is a retard so they wasted money for 6-7 years on Fable reboot. Without interrupted gameplay demonstrations or a release date.

>>714877249 (OP)
To be fair all those cancelled games sound like dogshit so I think that's a good thing.

>>714877249 (OP)
scalebound the game looked like kino
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQ_s0vC4bFg
100% canceled because amerifats are too retarded for video games.

>>714877249 (OP)
>Black Tusk
I remember there was an E3 where one of the segments were literally "we got this studio now and we expect really great things from them you guys" and then nothing after that

>>714885281
Xbox is not Microsoft. Microsoft indeed has infinite money. Whether they (Nadella) give it to Xbox is another matter. Nadella wants the whole company, Xbox included, to be churning H1Bs as part of an ethnic colonialization program. Xbox is holding out because, and this might surprise you, Phil and others there actually like to play videogames and want to focus on that instead of scamming the immigration system. Nadella doesn't like that, so Phil's leaving, Bond will get a shot but more likely she'll go too in favor of another Subcontinental. Make no mistake, future Xbox *still* won't make any games, but they'll be in better alignment with MS corporate leadership.

Closing Xbox doesn't make any sense because those are pre-existing jobs that you can fill with your nepohires more easily than creating new jobs and divisions to hold them.

>>714884937
It was also a 4v1 game, like Evolve. It was a real slog even in the alpha/beta and it was so clear that they were planning on making tons of microtransactions, for outfits, gear, abilities, characters etc.

>>714877249 (OP)
Faggot wanted to buy Nintendo lmao. Microsoft and Sony losing are the best things ever for this industry

>>714886897
They renamed to The Coalition and make Gears

>>714887061
https://www.pcgamer.com/microsoft-would-buy-valve-if-opportunity-arises-said-phil-spencer-in-leaked-email/

>>714877249 (OP)
>cancelled fable multiplayer slop
>cancelled mmo slop
>cancelled battle royale slop
Wtf I love Phil now!?

He's playing the long game, actually. Easy to judge with a short sight.

>>714877249 (OP)
SONY has closed 7 studios as well doe.

>>714877731
you know he could have maybe done his fucking job and actually be a tard wrangler for the retards at these studios? i know its a weird concept of someone doing their job

>>714877249 (OP)
https://youtu.be/UgADDXyWJEE

They are doing a retarded game of chicken with Sony with the hope they crash first, instead of Xbox.
So far in terms of personnel lost, Xbox is way way Higher.

>>714877731
It is phil's fault
He should have known amerimutts are incompetent and shouldn't have greenlit pozzed garbage in the first place

>>714877249 (OP)
HOLD the fuck up. I want to see a head to head, vs Sony with the Bungie buyout, and, who's a good number 3 contender? Anon mentions EA, and they're always strong here.

>>714877831
EA has had decades longer. To make it a fair comparision, it should be just one president of EA.

>Cancels shit games
>Closes shit studios
>Shitty staff let go
>HES THE WORST
Funny how the former sony CEO doesn't get this level of abuse, the guy that went ALL in on games as a service crap and is responsible for concord.

>>714877731
I don't believe in the idea that Microsoft didn't interfere at all with the studios, because studios don't all consistently fuck up and either take many years to release a single game or release generally bad games. I think some sort of internal management policy at Microsoft where they interfered too heavily is to blame.

>>714877249 (OP)
He also was in charge when the Phantom Dust reboot was canceled
https://youtu.be/0OIJvs66R1U

>>714893237
Yeah but they don't even release good games at the same time like Sony does (sometimes)

>>714877249 (OP)
>Dishonored 3
Thank you, based Phil. I'm glad I won't have to see Dishonored utterly ruined by nuArkane.

All those cancellations seem good. One is literally FORTHNIGHT Halo. Fuck no

>>714895880
Show the interference. Whatever it is, it's less than the other bigs. And we can see the failure modes. They don't seem to be of the "change what kind of game your'e making 8 times" type.

>>714877731
You're the type of dude to lose 50 matches in ranked and think you got shit teams 50 matches in a row.

>>714897101
I'm still mad about DOTO. Let's take the most interesting thing about our entire fucking lore and rape the shit out of it. Also Daud, one of the best characters in that universe died on a chair offscreen.

>>714882816
He isn't managing the games directly. If the game is bad the game director is to blame.

>>714896574
He was also in charge of European Software before he became CEO. So Phils been unironically responsible for killing Lionhead and blocking Rare's original pitches ever since Xbox acquired them in the 2000s.

>>714886943
>Xbox is holding out because, and this might surprise you, Phil and others there actually like to play videogames and want to focus on that instead of scamming the immigration system
seeing an xbox fan in the wild is always a fascinating thing. they operate on a logic far beyond our reality's
also, phil is not going anywhere. he will continue his good work onwards

>>714880075
Pentiment was good (the first half anyway)
And the whole thing had great art
I bought it new and I buy almost nothing new and play no AAA games ever

>>714897298
Well that's the thing, I don't think there's anything in-depth that talks about how Microsoft handles their own companies from an internal perspective, or if there is I haven't found it. Closest thing I know of is that Redfall did badly because the Austin branch of Arkane responded to Zenimax's call about making a live service game before it was acquired by Microsoft and it went through troubled development and a revamp (heh, vamp) or two before being released in its state, while the developers were not experienced in the engine. Studios make mistakes, they experiment, it's all fine and dandy, but one game and they got shut down by Microsoft, no room for experimentation, only making guaranteed successes, that's pretty bad. I'm not sure about the other studios though, Hi-Fi Rush's studio was apparently shut down despite the game being a success, by now I don't know what their strategy is, I guess some higher-up got mad that Microsoft was losing 0.3% of its yearly revenue towards funding videogames instead of AI or whatever the fuck current money printing scheme or investment meme Microsoft is falling for.

They were desperate after the xbone and buying up anything for sale to try to make something work, but most of the time if a studio is good and has a promising future then it wouldn't be for sale. Once they acquired Activision they were pretty much set though, and no longer need to spread themselves so thin throwing shit at the wall praying something will stick. They have their handful of infinite money printers in place and now need to be selective about which vanity projects they fund. Sony hasn't been much different this gen, shutting down all their smaller shit except Asobi and putting even their big vanity projects on the back burner to blow money on live service that hasn't paid off. They're coasting on the positive sentiment from the PS4 and the massive market lead they generated, but they're desperate to do exactly what Microsoft is doing but just failing at it because Microsoft could just write 60 billion dollar checks to make it happen.

>>714877249 (OP)
Reminder, the person after him is likely worse

>>714877249 (OP)
The guy who made this is such a retard (and so are you for posting it).
>rob ferguson
That's not even his fucking name and his last name is spelled wrong. He also works at Microsoft again after the ABK purchase.

>>714877249 (OP)
GamePass is profitable though. Everything is just fine.

Who's fucked?

>>714877249 (OP)
>CANCELLED GAMES
>Halo Battle Royale
Can't complain, thanks Phil

>>714898952
no idea how doublefine is still around, they haven't made any money in years

>>714885854
Itsuno turned DMC into lame punching bag combo slop it's sad

>>714899108
>no idea how doublefine is still aroundd
Tim Schafer knows

>>714898952
Turn10 has become an auxiliary support studio for the Forza spinoff series. Half the workforce cut and they've been rendered as glorified support devs. Now Halo Studio is an interesting one because having shipped Infinite years ago, their next project should be ready for a teaser by now. I don't believe Halo 1 will get a second remake, but if they reboot Halo this is the only one that makes sense. The studio behind that GameRent slop South of Midnight is without a doubt on the chopping block.

>>714896574
>this is how i learn PD was gonna get a reboot
ffs

phil was never in the vidya business but in the money business, simple as
as long as line go up that's all he ever cared about, even if that line goes up artificially by adding cod and candy crush to their lineup and including their revenue to their bottom line without mentioning the part where he spent 90 billion on acquiring them

>>714900513
It's a fucked up story. Apparently the developers were working on the game and Microsoft just made a prerendered trailer without telling them, and announced the game at E3 without telling them. Then canceled it.
https://www.sonicstadium.org/forums/topic/19011-the-sad-sad-tale-of-darksides-phantom-dust-reboot-for-xbox-one/

>>714877731
This is bait, Phil is a known chronic liar who doesn't know what good quality in video games are. He thought the 2020 gameplay demo of Halo Infinite looked incredible enough to show at their July 2020 showcase despite others telling him it needed more work.

>>714899674
>Schafer, is that name jewish?

>>714885459
And how well did Kamiya's last game, Wonderful 101, do?

>>714877249 (OP)
Pretty sure those devs were mercenaries and once they hit big they simply moved on and became their own studio/company.

>>714886943
There's this lie again, "Microsoft Gaming" wanted to buy out the entire industry with Microsoft's money. Microsoft wanted to put $80 billion on AI, not video games. Microsoft stopped Microsoft Gaming from trying to monopolize the video game industry. You can keep shilling Phil though. I swear, the only thing that asshole was able to be successful at was creating a large group of shills to defend his fuck ups.

>>714900078
Even Halo Studios is a support studio just leading Halo development now, like they did with Halo Wars 2, third parties are making Halo games going forward. The current layoffs at Halo Studios (the 2025 ones) are just for getting rid of the remaining Halo Infinite devs still working on that game, similar to what Microsoft is doing to Turn 10 having what's left finish their work on Forza Motorsport before gutting the rest.

>>714877249 (OP)
>not a single good studio and canceled game
Very nice. Clean out the trash and keep the money pouring into studios that actually releae good shit like Obsidian.

>>714897898
Watch the Double Fine Documentary about Psychonauts 2.
Once they are bought by Microsoft the extent of their involvement was basically just giving the studio money and asking every couple of months "everything good?" and Tim responding with "Yeah" and then them leaving.

>>714901039
its all so tiresome

>>714877249 (OP)
>key personnel
>Tameem Antoniades
he he he

>>714877249 (OP)
>ghostwire tokyo 2
you mean the evil within 3

I don't give a fuck about anybody else, but firing tango was a fucking crime

Apologize

>>714904501
I kneel

>>714877249 (OP)
>Pay Sega to release PSO2 in the west and give them free server hosting
>Give Sega money to make a new game
>Sega make NGS
I never believed monkey's paw but this is so funny, phil really is cursed

>>714897845
Right when I read his post I knew the resident obsidijeet was going to jump in

>>714879410
You forgot the part before the firing where you didnt do your job and make a game.

>>714877249 (OP)
lionhead was closed?
so that fable remake is dead?

>>714905669
Yes

>>714904501
the concept was ahead of it's time
and the execution was terrible

>>714904501
Nah fuck him, but at least he had Dead Rising 3 and Sunset Overdrive

>>714905728
I own all my disc games. None of them need online DRM check. Fuck Xbox One Mattrick plans for games.

how much did microsoft spend buying studios? I wonder how much they got back from them

>>714877249 (OP)
Bringing JEETS

>>714877249 (OP)
>key personnel lost
>tameem antoniades
wtf i love phil now?!

>>714905993
>Microsoft’s acquisition of ZeniMax Media was driven, at least in part, by the company’s desire to scoop up Starfield for Xbox, putting it out of Sony’s reach. Xbox head Phil Spencer said as much during the Federal Trade Commission’s hearing to temporarily block Microsoft from acquiring Activision Blizzard.
>https://www.resetera.com/threads/microsoft-acquired-bethesda-after-hearing-starfield-would-be-exclusive-to-playstation.734379/
>https://www.polygon.com/23771681/starfield-ps5-exclusivity-xbox-ftc-hearing

Microsoft bought Bethesda/Zenimax for Starfield exclusivity. So in addition to Activision 70 billion we add 7.5 billion for nearly 80 billion dollars. This doesn't take into account other acquisitions like Double Fine Productions and Ninja Theory in UK. I'd hazard to guess closer to 90 billion total in the Phil Spencer buying spree area. To land Xbox brand in distant third place.

>>714897745
Phil's leaving, officially, before the next hardware is "released", so 2028 at the latest. Phil likes playing videogames. That's a fact. That doesn't mean he's a good Xbox CEO. I like playing videogames, but I wouldn't be a good Xbox CEO.
>>714901953
I'm not shilling Phil. The last time I put my hands on an Xbox was in 2002 lol! And $80b isn't buying MS "the entire industry". It barely got them past-prime Blizzard, Activision and iD.

>>714906251
grim

>>714877249 (OP)
>lost tameem
oh no