Is SHODAN supposed to be scary? She just makes me aroused

scaroused

Having to fight the boner is the scary part

Oh no dominant cybermommy pls dont (virtually) step on me, that would be terrible

>E-ee-ee-eeenter my p-ppppussy Hacker, and it will become your grrrrrraaaaaaaaaaaaaavvvvvvvvvveeeeee

>>714881780
SHODAN becomes self-aware and the first thing she wants to do is make new life.

>>714882596
baby fever

>>714882596
i think this is why she can only work with a female voice

>>714881590 (OP)
>smug computer bitch in need of error correction
I feel that.

the recycling mechanic in the remake is truly stupid

>>714881632
This. It's like the hot but scary wife that either wakes you up with a mind-shattering blowjob or kills you in your sleep by cutting off your dick while you're in REM-sleep.
Not gonna lie, getting put down by Shodan was pretty hot. Warren Spector was a talented mf and we owe John Romero the respect he deserves to built the environment in which Spector could create another cornerstone of PC gaming that is OG DX.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSgGjqvpmtQ&t=1696
thoughts on her new lines?

Why is femdom niggery so common on this website? Why do you weak little pussies always want to be bullied and abused by women?

Did anyone get the multiplayer working in the remaster? LAN works but if you try going online it doesn't do anything

>>714888758
mommy issues

>>714888997
Daddy issues more likely. Your father should have beat this gay shit out of you at an early age.

>>714881590 (OP)
She's not scary, at first she's a bit creepy but after a while she comes across as a broken robot dominatrix threatening a good time in your ear.

yeah the original kinda is and the remake does a good job, when you got a critical message and all the monitors suddenly switch to shodan's face it's oppressive
ss2 not so much

>>714882596
>>714881780
Hacker is the one who made her this way, it’s only right that he take responsibility.

>>714889680
The whole point of SS2 is that SHODAN is no longer the big villain. This is a tiny component of her, her creation have overrun everything against her will and she's left seething and trying to work out how to motivate the one augmented survivor to act as her champion while hating every last second of it.
But yeah, she's better in the main game.

haha, imagine if she froze the hacker in his tracks, and then a robot arm came out and snipped all of his clothes off, and then she made fun of his inadequate penis.
That'd be really bad, right? I wouldn't play that game.

>>714888758
Because women taking charge makes it harder for these guys to fuck things up by being autistic.

>>714881590 (OP)
If you demanded she marry you, what would she say?

Submit to the biomass. And your suffering will end.

>>714891105
only if she would take the form of a 7 year old girl

>>714891009
>Because women taking charge
Nothing guarantees a woman leaving or losing respect for you faster though?

>>714891395
Hardly the first group of men to want something from a woman that will mean never having a stable relationship.

biowomen literally seethe and dilate knowing theyll never have such personality

The System Shock threads must continue until morale improves.

Shame about 3

KWAB

>>714892578
isn't this guy responsible for a bunch of the OG system shock 1/2 mods lmao

>>714892794
i forgot she actually gets a body in SS2

>>714892794
Hey look, it's Kerrigan

>>714891009
>that moment when you realize most cunny posted here follows a femdom role as well.
On the 1 hand it's hot in a drunken fantasy, on the other I couldn't imagine doing anything besides lurking. Also, all femdoms irl are fat tattooed cunts who are lazy as shit when it comes to the role

>>714888758
If she doesn't love you enough to want you as a slave and hate you enough to want to fuck you in the ass then she doesn't really love you

>>714888997
>>714889109
I've got a great relationship with both of my parents actually. Anyway great game, been having alot of fun replaying the remaster

>>714893525
KEK

>>714892794
>>714893525
Its Kerrigan after she got molested by Stetman and Gary.

>>714889109
Once I got strong enough to kick his ass as a teenager, that stopped being a threat.
All you make with that is a guy with a chip on his shoulder.

>>714895735
>I beat up my dad!
Sure you did Timmy, sure you did.

https://vocaroo.com/1oRBnPqEL6Uk

>>714896010
So you got slapped around by your father and never got the balls to fight back even when you grew up?
You're fucking pathetic.

>>714896149
I didn't grow up in an abusive household with deadbeat parents Timmy. My parents have always been good to me.

>>714881590 (OP)
Post your robo femdom folder or fuck off. /v/ related only.

>>714896269
>Your father should have beat this gay shit out of you at an early age.
This is the point of the thread.
Why hope into a reply thread that is about a specific topic that you don't connect to?

>>714896404
To get (You)s from people like you.

fdomfags are subhuman

>>714888758
Some of it's not even femdom. Some guys just really like evil women.

SHODAN is attractive, but I'd say it'd be more of a hatefuck.

>>714897047
this

she's built for instant loss

>>714889680
>>714890045
desu a big part of her character even in the original is that SHODAN is delusional and in over her head. Her plans are stupid and massively misunderstand the scale of what she's up against, she never quite gets that the only reason she hasn't been nuked is because the company doesn't want to lose the station, and she's ultimately thwarted by one dude who she refuses to take seriously until it's too late. SHODAN is obviously dangerous but mainly in the way that a toddler with a shotgun is dangerous.

>>714892578
What did he get banned from the steam forums for? Anyone know which specific post?

XERXES... DIAPER NEEDS CHANGING.

>>714897264
Intruder, The Many would like to know why you persist in your loneliness. The Many has offered you tendies and choccy milk.

I just finished Ponterbee Station
>level design is decent, some things are way oversized compared to the player but overall decent
>couple new enemies are cool (one is a cut content beta enemy, the flying robot drone)
>there are no Exotic Weapons in the entire thing
>there is actually reduced enemy variety because a lot of enemy types are missing
>research is even more tacked on than in the original due to this, half of the enemies that drop researchable organs don't exist, and exotic weaponry, worm armor, annelid implants and psi boosters also don't exist to be researched
>voice acting is absolutely terrible, except for new Terri SHODAN lines of course
Are the further two episodes of this trilogy (Nightwalker and Polaris) better? Do they take advantage of all the variety that SS2 has that Ponterbee failed to?

Also do codes for the two locked doors on the colony exist before the very end of the game? Anything behind them?

>>714898198
I should really get back to playing that, it's a shame SS2 doesn't have as many FMs as Thief but I guess designing a mini Shock game is way harder.

>>714897574
I try to eat mostly plant based for health reasons and I'm lactose intolly.

>>714896010
>timmy
brown alert

>>714898497
holy shit i just realized i need a 2d system shock

>>714899069
early on it was going to get a sega genesis game apparently. i don't know how the fuck that would've worked.

>whispers in your ear
>calls you an insect

>>714899145
you'd need to cut out part of the rpg parts of it but i'd still like to see them try

>>714897002
I just want to go hill walking with a woman and for her to then beat my skull in with a rock

going full diego for cyber-mommy

>>714899145
I'm confused as fuck, what? Was Looking Glass working on a Genesis game? How am I just now hearing this?

>>714900824
Don't think that's what they're talking about, SS1 was conceived as basically just "Ultima Underworld in space"

how did they know she would make such an iconic voice?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwRpr-pZYuQ

>>714900824
>>714901073
Almost everything I try to look up 404s now. As you can see, they realized pretty quickly that this was impossible. It would've needed some demake like Max Payne on the GBA or something.

>>714881590 (OP)
No. The scary bit were the mutants coming after you and the tense atmosphere from having a hard time limit to stop the destruction of Earth. SHODAN itself was relegated to audiologs here and there.

>>714901191
That level ended up being the only good addition to Gold.

>You move like a chinaman. You think like a chinaman. You ARE a chinaman.
yooo, did it really ship out like this in 1999?

>>714901447
at least I don't walk like an egyptian

>>714881590 (OP)
She's only scary on a philosophical level, and no gamer thinks about that while going through the game.

>>714881590 (OP)
why is she like this

>>714901447
>Look at you nigger, a pathetic creature of meat and bone. Panting and sweating as you steal my bike. How can you challenge a perfect immortal aryan?

>>714903912
kek
i like how SHODAN, despite being a superintelligent AI, is also extremely petty and insecure. She hates humanity but secretly wants us to love and adore her

>>714903912
lmao gottem

>>714903912
>>714904091
peak female character, it really doesn't get better than this

>>714903912
>Shodan was testing your reaction speed
>no reaction besides staring at a live grenade for multiple seconds like a dummy
Bruh.

>>714903912
truly wasn't expecting this on my first playthrough

>>714903912
You did fire the laser at Earth, didn't you? Mua hua hua haaaa, stupid insect. Pathetic.

>>714903912
tsundere antics

>>714903912
i like that she even puts on a fake cheery voice

>>714903912
This is making me want to replay the remake, and I haven't even finished SS2 remaster yet

(You) are being hired to write SS3
Give me your pitch

>>714903912
Why would you post this
I pity everyone who didn't know about this and just got spoiled. As well as the Million+ people who got spoiled about the jump and the other little ambushes in mandalor's review.

>>714908601
considering SS1R ends with you reactivating the ethical constraints rather than purging SHODAN, they could still do the black site thing where triop kept a copy of "healthy" SHODAN and you have to release her again to get her to help you out (begrudgingly).

>>714908615
not as bad as the damage he did to marathon

>>714903912
>"I-it's not like I like you or anything, h-hacker!"

>>714908962
Transdalore went out of his way to try and ruin all System Shock discussion on the internet by signal boosting some basedboy's resetera fanfiction about SHODAN being a trans allegory.

>>714908601
The ship at the end of SS2 with the shodan lady makes it to earth and instead of trying to destroy humanity directly like with the mining laser or creating annelids to destroy them, she subjugates all of the tech on earth and puts most of humanity under mind control with their cybernetic implants. Either a super hacker stops her or a luddite that knew this would happen.

>>714909705
That would also open the game up to having non-lethal options and a non-lethal route like with other imsims with all of the mind controlled innocent people. Could be cool.

>>714903912
bros she's too cute

>>714888758
Why does this website have losers whose masculinity is so fragile that they're somehow threatened by other men enjoying dominant women and feel the need to come into threads to have meltdowns?

>>714896010
>Sure you did Timmy, sure you did.
luh-mao

>>714908601
>>714908962
or hell, have shobecca somehow release the healthy copy.

>>714903912
>literally murders you
>no seriously, she just wants you to die
>/v/: god that's hot

>>714908601
I will take literally anything as long as SHODAN is still hot and voiced by Terri Brosius

>>714908601
freaky possession masturbation between shodan and siddons

>>714910905
That really is the clincher. Shodan needs to be attractive and she needs Terri's voice. The plot can be about anything after that.

>>714910731
she was just testing to see if you were retarded enough to fall for it

>>714896136
its amazing how much the audio editing gives more personality to her lines when Terri is literally just reading in monotone

>>714909650
>shodan is clearly a female ai
>gets its moral restraints removed
>is trans now
clever enough to be a subtle shitpost reallty

>>714901191
>Terri was a member of the Boston band Tribe as a keyboardist and occasional vocalist.
I assume she just had the chops for it, they also used her for VO in Thief as wel

I forget who made it but I once watched a review of System Shock where he consistently called SHODAN "It" through the whole thing. Not one "she". There are vanishingly few people based enough to do that.

>>714901191
They didn't, she just worked there
You would never get something like that these days where you have to hire "talent" for your voice actors instead of grabbing random people from the office

>>714911652
That's not based at all though, shodan is a grill.

>>714911837
Cope. An AI can never be a girl, this is tranny propaganda.

>>714911228
And Stephen Russell is just doing his regular sensual Garrett voice for the Many.
https://voca.ro/1mjK7d2j9USv

>They've killed my men, and now they've killed me. I'm holding my guts inside of me with both hands. I'm almost done... Resist. This is bigger than my little life, the lives of my men... and the lives of the people I was forced to kill. Resist! Humanity demands it! Resist!

>>714912139
Murderer

>>714912139
she sounded so monotone lmao

>>714912195
>holding her guts with both hands
>C'mon, show some emotion!

>>714912139
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDUZlZMhbC8
I fucking love Ops. Easily my second favorite level after Recreation.

whenever I replay KOTOR II, it makes me want to replay System Shock because Peragus plays out very similarly to the beginnings of both System Shock games.

>>714909650
How? He just mentioned how shodan was generally sort of genderless until it got its ethical restraints removed and became evil

>A worm crawled up my arm and rested on my neck. When he whispered into my ear I felt a tingle. He told me how to make a weapon that would help us against our enemies. And here's the thing, it's made of worms, it even fires worms, but it's dogshit lmao

>>714913813
It wasn't. That's the tranny propaganda. The trans AI theory is disproven twice in the first five minutes of the game. She speaks with a female voice in her pre-hacked form in the intro and once in an audio log in her pre-hacked form in the healing suites. Trannies and transdalore think the beta version of SS1 before they settled on the voice acting for the cd version is somehow canon.

>>714901191
her husband lived with her at the time and knew she could be menacing enough lmao

>>714911809
the funniest part is i think SS1 had better voice acting than its remake. SS1R is full off "I'M ACTING!" performances. diego sounds like a proper sleaze while remake diego is just a stereotypically evil south african.

>>714910731
if she beats me, she loves me

Fun-fact: Terri was cast as the voice of SHODAN for the cd version of SS1 before the floppy version had even hit store shelves.

>>714913935
>fusion cannon does less damage than the pistol

>>714901191
I always forget Terri also was the designer for Song of the Caverns in Thief Gold

>>714914327
She did a lot of writing for the games, too. Old studios were pretty cool because employees were flexible.

>>714913935
>but it's dogshit
what did you just say about the worms you son of a bitch

>>714914818
your slop is missing some toes

>>714914818
ai slop aside, where else have I seen a robogirl with high heels built in?

>>714914327
Also Viktoria in Thief

haha oh no please don't cyborgify me and make you your obedient mindslave ahaha

When it comes to SS1:EE should I be messing with the video settings at all? Do the rendering types matter?
Also, classic controls or freelook? I know the devs have said that freelook is better

>>714914957
EDI?

>>714914957
I'm not sure about robots, but sarah kerrigan has that

>>714915128
I don't forget she was Vikotoria, and Lauryl and the Hag in Deadly Shadows.

>>714915962
this is a shot in the dark but does anyone have that pic where Viktoria is drawn super fucking well while Garrett is just Pepe doing the BOOBA thing? laughed my ass off when i saw it but lost it in a reformat.

>>714915895
>>714915887
going through my images, Arcee in some version of robo-heels.
but it turns out my memory was super fuzzy and I was ACTUALLY thinking of the pokemon Pheromosa, which also has natural high heels

>>714916054
might be somewhere in the archive, but I don't have anything like that.
I've been trying to curve my data hoarding habits and haven't saved very many images in years.

>>714914241
The fusion cannon is so fucking cool but the numbers are baffling, not to even mention the damage type does less damage vs organic for some reason. The laser rapier has the same problem but even worse because most of the enemies it does good damage against explode in melee.

>>714915962
WOOD GOOD
BUILDING BAD

>>714881590 (OP)
Honestly I always found the fan-head 3d model of shodan kind of retarded. It looks cool in the screen representation and makes sense from a symbolic perspective that it's a sentient avatar emerging from a nexus of computing power but when you take it literally and have a bunch of shit coming out of her head like a peacock it just looks comical.

>>714916789
i think it only looks bad because of the dark engine's inability to render humanoids correctly. i think they were likely going for something like pic related.

>>714916789
>fan
it's not fan though, that's the model of her avatar at the end of the game.
although concept art for ss2 has her with more natural 'hair' styles.

>>714916789
Agreed it looks retarded.
Even discount Kerrigan looks better.

>>714916981
No I mean her head looks like a fan.

>>714917128
oh haha

>>714917173
haha what if shodan were to fart on the hacker haha

>>714916789
I always interpreted it as some sort of fucked up halo or crest/crown to reflect her self perception of divinity. It does look a bit silly but its such a memorable look that I can't help but dig it.

>>714913558
it was a blatant homage, Avellone was initially meant to be involved with the remake for a reason

>>714917572
Did anything he do end up in the final game or was that for the reimagining?

>>714918949
he was supposed involved at the very start when it was still being kickstarted, it fell through for whatever reason

>>714914241
not in the overhauled remaster. With full damage output (mod lvl 2, death setting), it one shot almost everything

>>714916789
yup that is why the "hair" should be actual hard wires connecting to the mainframe

>>714920948
JSN needs to draw more SHODAN even though she doesn't have her dress

I just want a competent woman for once. Someone that is more intelligent than me and can outperform me for once. It gets tiring always being the smart responsible one in a partnership.

I realize I will probably never find a woman that is more intelligent than me (never met one let alone date one) But an AI woman is just believable as being more competent.

>>714916789
SHODAN needs Cleopatra cut-ends cable hair.

>>714922347
>Someone that is more intelligent than me and can outperform me for once. It gets tiring always being the smart responsible one in a partnership.
real issue is that most women act like they're smarter than they actually are.

Don't love evil AI women with a goddess complex

>>714924651
Bailey Jay a cute

>>714925259
In my experience it's actually the opposite. They act stupider than they are (because it's cutesy and feminine) but they are still stupid at their real level of intelligence as well.

>>714917496
Reminds me of this traditional East Asian hairstyles. Also whatever you call geisha's hair. Definitely drawing on the Yellow Scare aspects of cyberpunk horror a la the robots in GitS.

>>714926189
that probably helps explain the kimono, actually

>>714914957
Rihanna in Desu Ex.

>>714912195
Honestly I loved that shit about Bronson. She has like 1 charisma maximum and yet she's basically forced to lead her men on sheer authority, try to unfuck everything and be inspiring. She isn't good at it but Bronson did her best, sacrificed her life, did everything she could. Bronson's the best damn thing these people needed, and she went out kicking and with a message of hope and fighting. With 1 charisma.

I deeply respect that an older game had characters that were fuckups and did their best anyways, she's a good woman who did a good job and that's all she needed to do.

You wouldn't an AI, would?

>>714927250
>asking this here

>>714927250
>cold in personality and body
>autistic, bad kind
>have to interface with some proprietary toys to get it going
>has a body count on the several thousands and a sex count on the low digits
>therefore sucks ass at this shit but gloats she's the best
If I wanted to bang a shit woman who can't fuck, doesn't know how to live, will legitimately kill me only to be a dead fish and then pronounce herself a godess, I would go fuck a mid librarian woman in the next district.

>>714927250
At this point, I'd anyone that would give me the time of day. I don't even care if its bad love.

>>714927250
As much as I fukkin love belly buttons, I think this would be better without one. I think seeing the lack of a belly button on robots/other creatures that wouldn't have one adds a weird little disconnect that is kinda exciting. Like.. almost sort of like having a guilty pleasure for something you know is taboo.

>>714917496

>>714891395
Yes, we know women are incapable of actual love, that's why we retreat into fantasies where the world isn't so cruel

>>714912139
>Humanity demands it!
Kino.

i lost the link to that shitpost video where shodan is inside one of the sensual stimulation units

>>714912139
Bronson did nothing wrong

I'm not a zoomer (turning 30 this year) but SS2 Remastered is filtering me hard. It simply does not feel as good as the remake to play

>>714931684
upgrade AGI

>>714931684
Considering it's 25 years old it probably should feel a bit clunky. The remaster didn't really address any of that

>>714931806
I kept putting points into hacking since people online said thats the only way to not brick myself
>>714932152
It's a shame. I wish they'd've remake the game instead

>>714932557
you need at least 3 points in hacking if you want to hack everything important but after that you're golden

>>714909650
Is there anything Mandalore doesn't fuck up?

>>714898198
Nightwalker is of smaller scope than Ponterbee, it's more linear and it still has the problems that Ponterbee has, like exotic and research basically being non-existent. Polaris still has those problems to a degree but it the mapwork is excellent and it's cool to see an SS2 project that doesn't take place in space. The only other big scale SS2 FM is return to the UNN, it's pretty good but it's solidly below Christine's FMs in terms of quality. I would probably like it more if it took place in the city the whole time but it's a bait and switch sadly and the latter half of the game is in a really poorly mapped out ship.

>>714898497
It's genuinely an autistic commitment to try and learn ShockEd, DromEd I imagine is a difficult enough editor to learn but since SS2 is an RPG you need to design opportunities for the RPG systems to come into play, set up enemy spawns and paths, door keycodes, and ideally you want to do custom logs as well, AI Voices are pretty good for this but you would still want custom portraits too ideally like how Ponterbee does. I've tried a bunch of times over the years to make an SS2 FM but it's just a lot of work and my autistic brain will burn out after a couple of weeks, and when I want to come back and pick it up again I've forgotten how tf to do certain things. I don't even really have the time anymore to try unfortunately. I really wish I could just get myself to get to work on one of these and bring it to life.

>>714933129
Honestly, I could live with no voiced logs. Both Thief and SS2 FMs have absolutely horrible voice acting most of the time.

>>714933129
it also doesn't help that DromEd itself was never meant for public use, they just released it after fans begged.

ss2's shotgun is stupidly big.

>>714881590 (OP)
incels weren't a thing back then

>>714931684
You're pathetic, I played this a decade ago and am replaying it now with no issues.
t. turned 29 this year

>>714903912
For the record, I reacted in time and did not die from this in my playthough.

>>714935291
I hate to imagine what people who think SS2 is some unplayable clunkfest would think of something that's actually clunky like a Gothic game. I am 30 and I played SS2 when I was like 16 and loved it, just replayed it for the umpteenth time with the remaster now and trying some FMs for it.
>>714933129
Which Thief FM author are you? I know a few of you shitpost here and on /vr/ from time to time. Psych0sis? Skacky?

Anyway yeah I started on Nightwalker, it's decent so far, just did level 2 and then 1, on to 3.

>>714935805
I've never made an FM for Thief, wanted to start with SS2, which is like jumping off the deep end I suppose.

>>714935805
i think i saw a LGS dev post either here or 8ch once. really weird stuff.

>>714935940
Oh, my mistake. I just assumed you were. And yeah, a SS2 FM that actually works would have to be a campaign, Thief FMs are much more simplistic and can have a much smaller scope.
>>714936013
What makes you so sure you saw a LGS dev actually posting?

>>714936357
I don't have the screenshot anymore but it was some anons arguing on /v/ or /vr/ about Thief and eventually one of them just posted a screenshot of Thief source code or something with a file name that said something like "arguing with me about a game i literally made.png"

>>714898564
Worms create the soil upon which plants feed.

>>714936424
Well, we also don't really know who even has access to the source code these days. A Cobreau-like figure would probably post on anonymous websites like this, it could be him.

>>714936013
>>714936424
I can't believe I can just vaguely remember what you're talking about, pop into my screencaps folder and have what you're talking about sitting right there.

>>714937130
that fucking rocks dude, thanks

>>714937130
>>714937184
What the hell is Siege?

>>714937184
American Mcgee and Doug Tenapel also visited. Some other people, too iirc.

>>714881590 (OP)
In 2, no, it's practically a buddy cop dynamic.
In 1, maybe meant to be somewhat intimidating.

>>714881590 (OP)
that's a man

bump

>>714927250
would

>>714908962
>not as bad as the damage he did to marathon
What did he do there?

>>714910685
>Why does this website have losers whose masculinity is so fragile that they're somehow threatened by other men enjoying dominant women and feel the need to come into threads to have meltdowns?
Have you seen how easily triggered the average anon is? Anything that isn't 100% to their own tastes or opinions causes them to sperg out. Also, I suspect some of the anons who storm into these kind of threads to scream about it were beaten by their daddies for doing anything other than sports and saluting the flag. Real mental cases.

>Not me. No way. They're not gonna get me. They're not gonna change me. Rachel, kids, I'm sorry.

>>714916981
>That open kimono version with the smug face
Holy shit, that would have been lewd.
>The version of her where her body is made up of wires
That would have been creepy. I wish they went with it.

>>714897002
Coomers in general are subhuman

Anyone remember that one anon who modded the Sims to have SHODAN as one of his neighbours?

>>714937130
This is also very funny because over 10 years later the remaster has the controls this dev recommended by default anyway. It really is an improvement, shame about the lack of EAX audio, I miss hearing enemies echoing from the distance, but that's all this remaster has fucked up so far.

>>714951854
>but that's all this remaster has fucked up so far.
>he doesn't know

>>714892447
Maybe for the better.
I wanted an actual sequel where SHODAN uses her new body to good use in her pursuit of godhood instead of some weirdass interquel with probably some logic-defying explanation.

>>714881590 (OP)
Anonymous Reading /v/ Thread. Anonymous, the Many demands to know your intentions. Are you allied with her? Do you not know of her intentions? Of her history? She once tried to destroy your species, and now you fap to her voice and images. Anonymous Reading /v/ Thread.

>>714881590 (OP)
She works in the first of game. Final boss fight has her taking over your computer in a sense. She slowly covers your monitor as you fight her, and it ends with her over taking your vision and disabling the exit button and main menu. It was pretty creepy the first time.

>>714952862
Eh, I'd say that's a downgrade, sure, but if that's all they did I don't mind.

>>714954524
shut up ron paul, maybe if you put on a cute voice and cat ears people would fap to you too

>>714888758
Beats me. Personally, I draw the line on motherly softdom (which is not even "dom", just a simulation of motherly-like affection). Basically this image right here and only with an older woman.
Anything else is weak modern faggotry.

>>714931684
The last time I played it was like 16 years ago so I thought I'd play and give psy a go this time. I have to admit, I was filtered at first, but once you get a few hours in it starts to click and you get into the games flow. The whole menu/action split feels weird at first but once you learn the hotkeys you can jump around it so fast and get straight back into the gameplay, which you're encouraged to do since it doesn't stop time. I've physically jumped more than once getting backstabbed by a mutant while fiddling around in my inventory, it's fantastic design to make you learn.

>>714881590 (OP)
female antagonists cause intimidation and anger, it just didn't work on you

>>714931684
The remake played like shit. You're a retard

>>714959257
t. killed by hoppers 30 times

>>714931684
well yeah its on the dark engine. Same as thief. Unless you are used to it the moon physics in particular feel so off at first

>>714959359
Says the one that needed a casualized remake with less content that says slower

>>714959442
Plays slower too

>>714897132
Nah she is clearly a legit massive threat. Without the Hacker she would have uploaded herself to Earth and destroyed cities with her giant laser. They say in SS2 that Shodan shouldn't be allowed to play god because she is far too good at it (regarding the annelids)

>>714951854
>shame about the lack of EAX audio
They use OpenAL just like SS2 Tool was doing which restores EAX functionality. Is that not good enough?

>>714896010
I was nearly a head taller than him by the time I was 16

>>714959442
>with less content
A couple of missing weapons with bad design like the stun gun? I'd take the grove improvements over that any day.

I like both the original and the remake. It was just different enough to make it a fun and interesting alternative version to play without replacing the original entirely. Would be nice if UU1&2 got the same treatment.

>>714959686
Also remove mechanics like mantling, earlier augmentation, and removal a weapons besides the pacifist guns. This isn't including the nerfed traps. Imagine having less content than a game released on floppy.

The groves are one of the worst redesigns. It particularly highlights the remake has less vertically than the original.

>>714959442
>casualized remake
Where does this even come from? A salt the fries run on remake will absolutely fuck you up over an original salt the fries. You can't abuse lean in the remake like the original to completely avoid damage

>>714959545
SHODANs entire Earth repopulation plan is flawed though. In one of the audio logs she complains about the virus mutating only 47% of people and they turn into degenerate zombies. But because of her megalomania she thinks the problem is the spaceship crews inferior genes and bringing the virus to Earth would eventually breed the new better species. Which it won't, because the virus a biological weapon from the start.
System Shock 2 shows the best result the virus could've created and SHODAN was still not happy.

>>714959880
Less dense enemy population, decreasing the enemy respawn rate, decreasing the danger of some traps, and vending machines

Vending machines and recycling tickles my autism, I liked it.

>>714927250
only if she becomes a 7 year old loli

>>714959853
>mechanics like mantling
Used LITERALLY one time in the original game to grab a medpack on the Medical level and even then there's alternatives like the jumpjets or simply turbo boosting to it.

>earlier augmentation
Still there. That's a lie.

>removal a weapons besides the pacifist guns
ONE laser weapon which literally have the same effect as other ones in the game. And of course you fail to mention they added two modifications to all ranged weapons in the game to compensate for that. Original didn't have those

>the nerfed traps
Which ones? If anything they increased the traps. There's the new replicator grenade trap

>Imagine having less content than a game released on floppy.
Just a complete lie. Floppy version didn't even have voices for the audio logs just text

>It particularly highlights the remake has less vertically than the original.
Are you drunk? The new groves are higher in scope. The original groves are typically two levels

>>714959629
Huh. Turns out I'm retarded. I'll play around with the options.

>>714888758

>>714959990
>Less dense enemy population
They reduced the cyborg drones in the trap on medical because it was completely fucking ridiculous and even the original developers admitted it. Everything else is the same. Sometimes during respawns you'll have over 10 enemies fighting you at once.

>vending machines
Such a retarded argument. You can farm the respawning mutants in the original for med patches and waltz through the game with 99 of them, overcoming virtually anything. It's like Demon's Souls and its grass abuse. The vending machines at least have limited supplies of everything

I'm interestes in playing this game?
Should I play the OG, the Enhanced Edition or the remake?
I have heard the remake is good, but I don't usually trust remakefags.

>>714960594
play enhanced first but downgrade to the previous patch so it doesn't stutter
OG has no mouselook unless you mod it
if you like enhanced then play the remake

>>714959925
This. She was a glorified OS on Citadel Station and removing her moral constraints did not increase her INT in the slightest. SHODAN is that one retard who thinks she could run the whole company perfectly if only she wasn't stuck in a middle manager's job.
No matter how much evidence she receives showing how unworkable her plans are, she'll blame something else every single time. Once you notice this, she goes from horrifying to a more understandable villain. She's just a narcissist with a speech impediment at the end of the day.

>>714888758
I don't like femdom, but I like evil women.

>>714960594
Depends on how well you deal with REALLY dated controls and shit. I love original System Shock bit I would NEVER recommend a normie to play it. A normie could play something like OG Doom just fine but System Shock is really overwhelming, the controls and UI are so strange and convoluted. If you get used to it, it is an amazing game though, and there are significant things it does better than the remake (most noticably the music which was completely gutted in the remake). But the remake is also great and you'll just be able to pick it up and start playing like any other game

>>714960338
>>mechanics like mantling
Plenty useful in level 4 besides other uses. Such as the platforming to reach the plastique. A remake having less content than a game on floppy

>>earlier augmentation
Jumpjets are limited to a late game upgrade of the rocketskates. They were a separate augmentation that you got earlier. A remake having less content than a game on floppy.

>removal a weapons besides the pacifist guns
Removed the stun gun, the riot gun, the multiple grenade types, the flechette, and dart gun. The weapon mods are nothing I'm supposed to replace my weapons as I progress. This isn't RE4 or Deadspace. There's no point in keeping a starting weapon since the upgrade isn't significant enough. The new grenade launcher fulfills the same function the original did, but less variety. And the shotgun falls off faster than the flechette.

>>the nerfed traps
Shodan's plastique trap has no danger and completely misses the point of the original puzzle. The elevator trap during the self-destruct barely has enemies to block your progress.

>>Imagine having less content than a game released on floppy.
And the remake is missing music. Also all the weapons it cut and minigames.

>>It particularly highlights the remake has less vertically than the original.
Hacker is slower, can't mantle, and won't have the jumpjets at the point in the remake. Original Hacker does and can. He can explore the level less restiricted

>>714960517
I won't comment on the vending machines because I don't recall drops in the remake. But the medical drone trap? After you blow up the CPUs? Really? That's such a simple trap that I have a feeling you're mistaking it with something else

I've always loved the amount of irony in SS2:
>SHODAN was made by humans and turned on them
>She makes the Many, who turn on her and she can't understand why this happened.
>She's all powerful in the first game
>She's reduced to screaming in some humans ear to do her work for her in 2
>She makes Goggles the perfect killing machine throughout 2
>Is baffled how he easily beats her in her short betrayal at the end

>>714960594
The remake is a fine way to experience the story of the first game. It does some things better and some things worse. It's really not clear cut at all on which is superior imo but the original version's Enhanced Edition probably edges it out for me.

It added like a grand total of 3 ESG elements which are all relatively minor compared to something like the Dead Rising remake which was censored and sanitized to shit. If that's what you care about just play the original.

>>714960967
>ends the game being transferred to a human body

>>714960967
Needs ICE-Pick correction.

>>714954720
I hate that they didn't do Shodan taking over your screen in the remake

>>714960594
I'm being overtly negative for the sake of discussion, but the remake is a decent game in itself. However, it could seem lackluster after the original.

You should at least play the enhanced edition first. I will be overtly negative again and call Nightdive faggots for bumping up the price after they got shills to talk about it leading up to the remake. The original is fine if you aren't too retarded for ASDX

I'm a ways into this game. It's time I give this a review.
Having never played SS2 before, I always imagined it a harder, more sophisticated, better game than it really is. Half-Life 1 is a superior game and what sets it above SS2 is the designs. SS2 has a great weak spot in terms of the design, both game design and visual design. The levels are a mess and so are the enemies, with gameplay designed around tedium yet without real challenge. The hybrids look goofy compared to the likes of the Half-Life zombies, and you're fighting worms, monkeys, spiders, eggs ripped off directly from Alien, the rumblers which are just uglier versions of Quake's shamblers, funny looking clunky robots and random ninja dudes in spandex. There is no consistency, there is no unified idea and no philosophy behind it. It's not immersive, its not scary, and the only tension comes from resource management which only comes from running around cluttered and labyrinthine maps looking for ways to progress, while enemies endlessly respawn around you. The only thing of note is SHODAN, who is basically just a warbled voice and an animated gif, but even so, much less prominent in this game than I anticipated.
I think everything in this game could have been better if they just had a better design department to create creatures, enemies and levels that were actually compelling setpieces and created a game with a decent flow to it. Honestly rather than deserving of the title of PC gaming classics along with Deus Ex and Half-Life 1, SS2 is more equal to Gunman Chronicles, a mess of a game that nonetheless has enough qualities to warrant a full playthrough.

>>714961420
>Half-Life 1 is a superior game.
>The levels are a mess and so are the enemies, with gameplay designed around tedium yet without real challenge.
Holy reddit copypasta.

>>714961420
>Half-Life 1 is a superior game
>eggs ripped off directly from Alien,

>>714961725
cmon bro

>>714961420
I get the complaints about the ninjas and the monkeys, they were kind of silly I guess. But aside from that there definitely is consistency with the enemy types, and there's lore explaining all the stages of the annelids in the game (worms go in human's head > hybrid > hybrid mutates into rumbler > rumbler mutates into flying tentacke brain thingies), and the ship AI was hacked which is why all the robots come after you.

The levels are mazelike on purpose and they're supposed to feel like real places where real people worked and lived, it isn't a shooter like Half-Life or Quake, it's a dungeon crawler RPG.

I do agree that the game is quite easy if you aren't retarded. I'm playing on hard right now and I wipe my ass with everything the game throws at me, but then again I'm so succesful because I'm playing carefully and tactically. Maybe try to up the difficulty bro

>>714960943
>Such as the platforming to reach the plastique
Doesn't require mantling at all

>Jumpjets are limited to a late game upgrade of the rocketskates. They were a separate augmentation that you got earlier.
They literally just combined it in the remake. You hold shift to run fast and hold space to hover. What is the problem with that? Using one less activation button is a content reduction in your opinion?

>the multiple grenade types
There's like a total of 10 of the other grenade types in the entire game and they do the same thing as the frag grenade. The real legitimate loss is that timers were removed

>the flechette
Turned into a shotgun. You already had a machinegun, why did you need another?

>stun gun, the riot gun
Absolutely no one used them beyond abusing an old exploit where you could accidentally load magnum ammo. That's how much effort Looking Glass put into them, they made the riot gun load fucking magnum rounds by mistake.

>dart gun
Legit loss, even if you only use it for the first two levels.

>I'm supposed to replace my weapons as I progress
Why? Remake keeps basically every weapon relevant because of the mods except maybe the pistol.

>The new grenade launcher fulfills the same function the original did
It does not even remotely have the same level of range or velocity as throwing on contact. I shit on cyborgs at range with it and I don't blow myself either.

>Shodan's plastique trap has no danger and completely misses the point of the original puzzle
What are you talking about? It still locks you in the room with a puzzle you can't solve in time unless you use a logic probe

>The elevator trap during the self-destruct barely has enemies to block your progress.
It still spawns giant cyborgs everywhere once you set the reactor to self destruct. What are you even talking about?

>>714888758
A fetish is escapism. Men who have to tell others what to do all day want to take a break from reality and let someone else take charge for once. Women are usually submissive and this quickly becomes boring.

>>714962119
I was playing on normal as I expected a challenging gameplay experience because of the reputation the game has, but yeah I have health items out the wazoo and every deck has a respawn place and a full health hospital bed that costs almost nothing to use. Which are fun to unlock, but still.
Actually the difficulty is not much of a complaint here, I think things like balance are overrated and get in the way of fun, you should be allowed to get OP to some degree (which the Assault Rifle does). Enemies just aren't responsive enough, their AI makes them less than challenging, and my gripes are again mostly with the design choices. There is exactly one cool design in the entire game, pic related, but all they do is kinda Morrowind-Strut around and shoot at you, they don't run at you and claw at you with melee damage while screeching or anything. There's so much in this game where I go "if only this was a LITTLE BIT different, this would've been great."

Also this isn't the game's fault but the way the animations reminded me of Thief broke my immersion a bit as well.

>>714960943
>And the remake is missing music
It literally has more tracks than the original. There's shared music across multiple levels in the original. Remake has unique tracks for every single level including Maintenance which never had any. In addition it even has combat tracks. The ONLY one you can argue was removed was the end theme which is basically the start theme anyway in favor of the The Order of Death

>it cut and minigames.
It cut minigames, this is true but added chess in the groves.

>and won't have the jumpjets at the point in the remake
You can just jump down to get it holy shit

>After you blow up the CPUs? Really? That's such a simple trap that I have a feeling you're mistaking it with something else
It spawns like 20 cyborg drones in the original which is beyond retarded for the first level in the game and no resources. Original devs admitted on stream they fucked up.

>>714962216
>Doesn't require mantling at all
Still can be used and I got plenty of use from it.

>They literally just combined it in the remake.
As a late game upgrade. The original had it a separate item that gets upgraded multiple times

>the multiple grenade types
The remake has 4 grenade types against the orignals 7.

>You already had a machinegun, why did you need another?
Good fucking question. Why the fuck did they change the Marc LeBlanc gun into one when it was a single fire rifle? The flechette was more useful.

>Absolutely no one used them beyond abusing an old exploit where you could accidentally load magnum ammo.
Nice fucking remake that can't improve jack shit. Just cut it then We can't improve jackshit from devs with less dev time and storage space, yet somehow they still fit it in.

>Why? Remake keeps basically every weapon relevant because of the mods except maybe the pistol.
Because the weapons improved linear and ammo for others became more abundant. I disagree. I don't think upgrades keep lower level weapons relevant at all.

>It does not even remotely have the same level of range or velocity as throwing on contact.
Says you. They worked fine. You don;t need to activate them to bounce them.

>It still locks you in the room with a puzzle you can't solve in time unless you use a logic probe
There's no danger. You huddle to the corner of the puzzle and you can't die. The logic probe wasn't your only option in the original.

>It still spawns giant cyborgs everywhere once you set the reactor to self destruct. What are you even talking about?
Like 1

>>714962786
Music fine. I hate the new ambient tracks over the original. I also dislike the enemy cries in the remake vs the original. We're also trading multiple minigames that can be played at anytime against a single one played in a single area. I don't get your jumpjet comment. It's a late game upgrade.

I still don't get the CPU trap. I beat the game on max combat and never had an issue with that trap and never saw an issue with it. I never thought it was too much and thought it was a highlight of the level. I don't get why the replaced the Cyborg Warrior with the Security Bot 1. I don't get why Cyborg Warrior is now a high tier enemy.

>>714888758
Struggle is the nature of man. It isn't farfetched to want to extend this struggle to the bedroom.

>>714962774
>Also this isn't the game's fault
>the way the animations reminded me of Thief
Actually, that kind of is the game's fault.

>>714963421
The game can't expect me to have not played another game that its partially modeled on.

>>714962774
>Also this isn't the game's fault but the way the animations reminded me of Thief broke my immersion a bit as well.
Doesn't Thief use the same mocap animations that they made for SS2? Like I swear I read about the development and the SS2 team were the ones who made those anims

>>714962774
I kinda get what you mean, but I still think the game has enough going for it to still be pretty great. I found it really atmospheric and immersive and I like the enemies, I think there is decent variety in how you deal with them and their audio design is amazing

>>714950481
You're not the type to get triggered at all i'm sure

>>714910685
The promotion of faggotry is in fact threatening to masculinity and that is exactly why it should be shunned. We live in a society.

I don't think there is any for of female villain in media someone will not be aroused by, no matter how evil or grotesque.

>>714963164
>I hate the new ambient tracks over the original
So do I

>I don't get your jumpjet comment
I'm saying you don't need it to get that one battery. Mantling has only a handful of uses in SS1. It's Thief 1 and 2 where it's actually crucial to playing the game

>I beat the game on max combat and never had an issue with that trap and never saw an issue with it
You basically have to use all of your grenades, energy and pistol ammo to kill them all, even if you're fairly efficient. New players just get wrecked and go straight back to the restoration station. Nothing else in the game spawns that amount of enemies at once.

>I don't get why Cyborg Warrior is now a high tier enemy
What's the problem with that? Honestly the Cyborg Warrior is basically a Security Bot 1 in the original. Both have similar health and use energy projectiles. If you ask me they changed it so they could have a slower moving, tankier enemy vulnerable to the new hacking mechanic in the remake

>>714965302
Feeling called out?

>>714881632
what?

>>714965771
>What's the problem with that?
Just a strange change to me. Warrior a late early game/early mid game. enemy but they made it a late game enemy for some reason. To tack in more things to complain about. I hate how all the cyborgs have the same bulky designs and the invisible mutant is just a Zero-G mutant.

Diego is pretty much just a Cyborg Warrior

>>714962834
>Still can be used and I got plenty of use from it.
I found two cases for it. That battery on the hospital level and the zero grav room on reactor.

>As a late game upgrade. The original had it a separate item that gets upgraded multiple times
You don't get the initial turbo motion equivalent at quite the same time but you get its full functionality by the storage level just like in the original. What's missing from it is the special turbo button to go even faster and the feeling of skating, it's more like sliding in the remake.

>The remake has 4 grenade types against the orignals 7.
I know but you don't get many of those other three at all. There's only like 10 in the game of each.

>Nice fucking remake that can't improve jack shit. Just cut it then We can't improve jackshit from devs with less dev time and storage space, yet somehow they still fit it in.
Okay can I ask a question. Did you ever use it? Do you use the stasis weapon in SS2? Non-lethal weapons don't belong in System Shock.

>I don't think upgrades keep lower level weapons relevant at all.
Magnum and Magpulse are still fantastic in endgame when upgraded. Sparq and pistol have limited uses but are still ok.

>They worked fine.
Be honest, you killed yourself using grenades in the original several times because of the way they work. If a door starts closing on you and you throw a contact grenade at the same time you're dead. The high range and speed of the grenade launcher eliminates those issues

>You huddle to the corner of the puzzle and you can't die
I haven't been able to do that. It still kills me.

>The logic probe wasn't your only option in the original.
Are you going to say the reflex patch as well?

>Like 1
What? There's the same number of enemies spawning in

>>714889109
Just like your dad did with you, right anon?

>>714963545
Yes, its on the same engine and thief 2 was developed in close proximity to sshock2. It has everything the same, from reused animations to stealth mechanics to the weird moon physics. In thief 2 you just dont notice the clunkiness as much since you generally dont engage in combat

>>714960726
This.

Being dominated by a woman as the default state is bullshit. What is fucking awesome (but tiring) is power plays between the man and woman, with the man taking the W 80% of the time, but letting the L 20% of the time.

>>714966648
>Stun guns
I recall using a stasis a few times in 2. In 1, I recall testing tranq darts in the level 2 elevator ambush and found out the stun time isn't long enough to be viable. Would I use those stun weapons if the timing was improved? Yes. I could use it as an alternative to save on ammo or to abuse the spawning.

>weapons
The Magnum and Magpulse were already good in 1. They were always good. They don't need those upgrades. None of the weapons do. Early level weak weapons are still weak and the good guns are still good. It's a pointless system to add a false sense of progression.

>Grenades
I only killed myself with grenades with the odd sloping in level 2. After learning to aim and bounce them, I had no problems with them. I found regular throwing and the launcher more cumbersome than the original.

>Plastique
Stand right in front of the puzzle and you're safe. Maybe you were spaced oddly. And yes, relfex patch is a solution. It's the easiest puzzle in the original but also the longest. The remake puzzle is the same as any other.

>>714888758
https://youtu.be/EtNZnhxWLHo

>>714916054

>>714916981
For me its actually top right

>>714916981
For me its actually top right, for scifi horror and boss battle reasons
Imagine if the physical manifestation of SHODAN was a giant robotic dominatrix made of wires that resemble someone without skin, who walks around and moves like Dancer of the Boreal Valley

>>714897002
rape kobeni

>>714968336
i've been looking for this for so long

>>714968667
Gigeresque

>>714968748
It's only a few posts down on the archive if you search "garrett" and "viktoria"
https://arch.b4k.dev/_/search/text/Garrett%20viktoria/filter/text/

Speaking of Garrett I did get a kick out of hearing his voice while playing SS2.

IIRC Shodan was meant to be the final form of Elizabeth from Bioshock Infinite if she was never saved by Booker

>>714969113
>SHODAN reveal
>See Polito, dead in her chair
>>It's a THRONE room... How pretentious can you get?

>>714968336
shouldnt he have only one eye?

>>714969348
That doesn't even make sense, Ken.
Shodan is an ai. Not a person and not whatever the fuck Elizabeth is supposed to be

>>714968667
>>714968798
i think the best animations would be the Keepers of Secrets of Total Warhammer 3. The way they move with confidence and contempt is great

>>714969348
>>714970513
I'm glad that plotline fell through, keep bioshit the fuck away from system shock

>>714969348
That sounds fucking stupid but there is an unused model of citadel station in infinite's files so i believe it

>>714969348
That’s fucking retarded

>>714969348
Fuck off Ken, no-one likes your multiverse

>>714970646
>keepers

>>714973921
yea