Even in the supposedly better ones there are constantly brainfarts that I just haven't seen in 30 years of playing normal big budget games
>tutorial teaches you a new jump to cross a pit with spikes
>it actually doesn't work and gets you killed
>what you have to do and which is way easier is the thing you already know about: just jump and dash midair
Guess it's at least better than this overrated Hollow Knight shit

>>714890908 (OP)
>bo is better than hollow knight
i was somewhat falling for the bait until i read this

Also not even sure how you allow yourself to use the 4chan 2008 meme font for your game that otherwise seems surprisingly high effort

>play game
>don't even make it through the entire tutorial before you exit out and make a thread on /v/
Think it's just your fried dopamine receptors. Same phenomena as people who take pictures of their Epic CRT Setup and it's on the first level of the game

>>714891149
>get triggered by thread
>make post that doesn't even include a counter-argument or defense of the thing op criticizes
worse than op

>>714890908 (OP)
Surely you're not implying triple A games don't do this. There's yellow paint on every objective. Real time button input prompts on your screen and the first tutorial is always "press xyz to move jump etc" the game is considering you retarded so it teaches you to jump. Clearly it was right based on your thread

>>714890908 (OP)
>Why are indie games so shit.
Becuase they're supposed to replacements for dead genres of games that no longer get made anymore. Like Metroidvania, Rouglike, etc. Most of them won't stand up to the quality of the GOATs, likr how HK isn't as good as Super Metroid. It's meant as filler content. As "Well atleast we have indie games in 5he genre still."

Any genre that is still being developed, for example, Soulsgames. Indie Soups games will look like amatuerish slop compared to Fromsoft titles.

Now extend this logic to all other genres and you will understand indie game love and indie game hate.

>>714891290
Bug Fables is much better than every other Paper Mario

>>714891005
It actually has proper jump physics that don't feel magnetic, it has a striking nippon setting instead of "le bugs in a cave", it has interesting boss fights that require unique technique instead of just Souls iframing, it actually came out finished and doesn't have an awful first 1/3. Not sure why you Redditors love HK so much or think it's special

>>714891149
>tutorial
It's literally three bosses in and nothing justifies something so stupid, whether your are a team of 10 people or 100 people

>>714891529
you r mentally ill if you believe this. mario's shoelaces have more charm than the entire universe of this game and the aesthetic was actually fresh back then instead of a copy of a copy.

>>714891695
I've actually played video games instead of just getting mad at screenshots, so I win. Sorry kiddo

>>714891529
The only decent Paper Mario clone that feels like it has some identity is Kulebra.

>>714891765
you should play less, fix your life and crack open a philosophy book once in your life. derivative slop is never better than the original.

The best
>3D platformer
>Beat em up
>Shmup
>Turn based tactics
>Puzzle
Games I have played were indies

>>714891529
>Bug Fables
Is this gay porn?

>>714891897
>crack open a philosophy book once in your life.
I've got The Truth in Painting and The Mushroom at the End of the World on my nightstand right now, anon

>>714891536
>deliberately play like shit so the game is worse
You could have finished killing that enemy in 3 seconds. Also this is before you unlock any abilities
> of just Souls iframing,
HK doesnt have iframe dashes until youre 80% done with the game

>hollow knight fags

>>714893142
Post your 1RMs

>>714891942
>>3D platformer
The best indies have to offer in this genre are pedophilic Mario clones like Demon Tides which doesn't bring anything new to the table and obviously doesn't offer Mario polish and variety. You have to be gen alpha to think indies even do anything noteworthy in this genre
>Beat em up
Most mind-numbing garbage genre there is
>Shmup
Nothing even in the top 20, the genre was perfected early and even completely unknown games in it like Pistol Daimyo are more unique and harder than any indie shit today
https://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?t=73135
>Turn based tactics
That's just shittaste, there are none that are as well-made and at the same time original as XCOM, FE, Advance Wars, Divinity, FF Tactics or honestly even Hogs of War
>Puzzle
Tetris, Portal, Myst, Zelda, SH, RE and other action adventures, Ballance, Samurai Kid, Solomon's Club, Punch-Out, DS-era games like Another Code, Hotel Dusk or 999, countless more depending on your definition. You're retarded

>>714893869
>>Beat em up
>Most mind-numbing garbage genre there is
I accept your concession, this was also all I need to know to disregard the rest of your jeet babble

>>714891290
>Becuase they're supposed to replacements for dead genres of games that no longer get made anymore. Like Metroidvania, Rouglike, etc.
those arent actually genres just games forcibly turned into genres because chinks and creatively bankrupt college dropouts want to make money. that's how souls likes were born recently, it started with the ripoff lords of the fallen everyone made fun of and now it's somehow a genre.

>>714891019
Kek

>>714894064
Walking in a straight line and doing the same two attacks against braindead enemies is mind-numbing garbage outside of arcade culture. Please name 3 amazing indie beat em ups that are so much better than the oldies tho

>>714893869
>>Shmup
>Nothing even in the top 20,
>Top 20 has Cho Ren Sha and Crimzon Clover
>Eschatos is in there too if you keep going to 25
>Nothing

>Puzzle
>Zelda
Incredible minds at work here on 4chan dot org

>>714890908 (OP)
>OP gets filtered by a jump and dash in a tutorial
Kek, what magazine do you work for, OP?

>>714894939
the problem is that the game is lying

>>714894589
>Cho Ren Sha
>90s garage devs
We didn't call those indies and has nothing to do with the Reddit indie culture we have since the 2010s where indie are celebrated, marketed, bundled, spotlighted and somehow treated like underdog artists at the same time or like our saviors because only AAAs are evil when the truth is the rot runs down to the bottom
>Incredible minds at work here on 4chan dot org
Not sure how Zelda doesn't count as puzzles when every game has a dozen dungeons or in case of TotK 120 shrines + dungeons filled with some pretty creative, satisfying puzzles that often have multiple solutions and easily mog indie shit, which is why they copy it

>>714890908 (OP)
Dropped this because the baseball bat gimmick insists upon itself

>>714891242
>Surely you're not implying triple A games don't do this.
Can't think of one desu.
>There's yellow paint on every objective.
How is this the same

>>714895603
every monke can make an indie game today, you had to be 200 iq to do it 20 years ago.same thing with movies and why 99% of movies are inane dog shit now.

>>714895603
>Splitting hairs between doujin and indie because xhe thought xhe was talking to a fellow poser
>TotK has dungeons filled with creative, satisfying puzzles
Alright I'm calling this one over, better luck next time

>>714890908 (OP)
Some of my indie pet peeves are inconsistent af garmmar, shitty trailers with too many cuts, no option to invert both cameras axes like in Wobbly Life or no variable jump heights. They constantly get things wrong that are long standard.

>>714891290
>Becuase they're supposed to replacements
No. There is no "supposed to" about indie games. How many games end up being and how they can be are two compeltely different things. There is nothing stopping an indie game from being extremely original and trend setting. In fact there are PLENTY of examples of this happening.

>>714896795
>There is nothing stopping an indie game from being extremely original and trend setting
the fact they are just skinsuiting old classics stops them

>>714896215
>>Splitting hairs between doujin and indie because xhe thought xhe was talking to a fellow poser
That's not splitting hairs, indie games just weren't a concept the way they are today (and even today we have no hard definition for them). They were just games like the rest of them and we didn't put them in a special category for which we wittingly or unwittingly lowered our standards because indies are such hard done by special snowflakes. We're obviously talking about new trends. But sure I can grant you those two old games that are only on there because they agreed to not list too many Cave games
>Alright I'm calling this one over, better luck next time
>hehe, 97% game is le bad because I'm a troglodyte fanboy
>play my niche Reddit indie game where you save the environment if you want a real puzzle experience!
Talk about poser

The Ascend ability alone is a more groundbreaking idea (no more backtracking without relying to fast travel) and fun puzzle device than what you see in 99% of indie shit lol

>>714897292
i dont think you know what the term "supposed to" means anon. are you esl?

>>714896427
>no variable jump heights
I hate this so much, Mega Man had dynamic jumps 1987 how can't they figure it out today.

>>714896427
>no option to invert both cameras axes
i remember playing that ruffy demo and it wouldn't let me invert camera. does someone know if the final game lets you do it?

>>714898875
pretty vile ngl

>>714898747
And Castlevania didn't, and was also a beloved and successful game. Heaven forbid a game have its own design goals

Indie games feel like patchwork quilts, charming but you can see all the seams. Or a stew that hasn't fully cooked and half the ingredients still taste raw and you can tell exactly what they were going for but none of it really comes together how it should. No idea how people can get invested in them.

>>714899460
>but what about this other 30 y/o game
OK buddy.

>>714899460
cv is purposefully clunky and more about atmosphere, no excuse for snappy action games like astral ascent not to have it today, it feels wrong and cucks level design. pretty much objectively bad

every indie is an early access:
>buy game at launch for full price
>finish game and move on
>months go by: bugfixes and new modes added
>a year goes by: many content updates added, game goes on sale regularly
>years go by: devs make the last content update. game goes on sale for 3-5 bucks
>mfw bought the game for 25 bucks and only had 50% of the content

NEVER
BUY
INDIES
AT
LAUNCH

NEVER
BUY
EA
GAMES

>>714902204
Why should i trust you you are not my dad

>>714902656
just buy indies after 2 years for 3 bucks and buy real big budget games (also on sale). I learned it the hard way myself

>>714890908 (OP)
Sounds like you're playing an ESL game.

>>714891290
HK is way better than SM. SM is super overrated. It gets deserved credit for its age, but come on.

>>714891536
i just didn't like how hollow knight feels like yet another "hurr we played dark souls :)"game

>>714890908 (OP)
Why are you playing chinese 2d slop? This genre already peaked with hollow knight and ORI there is no reason for it to exist anymore except for transsexuals whose self medicated has destroyed their ability to operate in 3d space keep buying them.

>>714903338
>HK is way better than SM
kys

>>714903338
>HK is way better than SM
Only if you are mentally impaired or have 0 sense for zeitgeist and innovation diffusion. There is nothing special about Hollow Kike.
>SM is super overrated
Nah and the only people who say this are Snoys and indie slop worshipping zoomers. But Zero Mission is better.

>>714903338

>>714890908 (OP)
>successful advertisement
cheers bro

>>714903849
>But Zero Mission is better.
Super will always be better just because of the superior atmospheric sci-fi synths 80s horror movie OST. I like how ZM has some Prime vibes but music could be a lot better still

>two months
Bros, I'm worried it'll be shit.
I'm also worried the fact that there isn't a release date implies they'll either delay it or release it as EA shit.

>>714903338
hollow knight is way too derivative, it just feels like dark souls in 2d jumping on the metroidvania trend

>>714904829
>metroidvania
I don't understand how people still aren't tired of this genre
>haha you don't know where to backtrack now, huh?
Riveting

>>714905075
>i need muh linear objectives and HUD indicators or I have no idea what to do
Be glad you havent played any games that require you to write shit down if you want to have any hope if making progress like La Mulana

Which game started this stupid le hit thing now you can jump again meme that's in every 2D game now?

>>714903338
look, a genuine retard

>>714905491
>>i need muh linear objectives and HUD indicators or I have no idea what to do
No I just don't understand consuming the same thing over and over again. Not everything has to be turned into a genre and most 2D games simply aren't very immersive. I'm looking forward to emulating Metroid Prime 4 I guess

>>714905838
Do you just hate the idea of exploring a new setting?
Its okay to enjoy an obstacle course with a clear start and finish line but trying to put people down for wanting to grow familiar with a game to the point that navigation becomes second nature means you're just a grouchy cunt.

>>714904134
>Bros, I'm worried it'll be shit.
Honestly I understand. I didnt like the demo that much. But as my experience with Noctis indicates. I dont tend to like the beginning of their games anyway. Its something that gets better with more abilities. I am somewhat disappointed that theyre still relying so heavily on fast travel and "multiple paths that lead no where or make the first path redundant no reason!" level design. But ive basically accepted that they suck at exploration level design at this point. I just hope everything else is good.
>I'm also worried the fact that there isn't a release date
What are you talking about? There is a release date what? Unless my memory doesnt serve me right...
Oh yeah nevermind I just checked and it says September but its not a specific date I guess...
Im guessing they want to be really careful of making sure they have enough time to fix things if there are problems considering how disastrously optimized the first game was.