Thread 714916679

As someone who doesnt follow modern fighting games are they really in as bad of a state as the players say or is it overblown?

>>714916679 (OP)
Don't follow too closely but no one hates a franchise more than it's own fans.

sf is doing fine
tekken had a update that increased the unga to extreme levels and has steadily patching it out

The worst thing people have to say about SF6 is that overall gameplay feels untouched for two years straight. When you compare that to the state Tekken's currently in, it's probably for the best to leave things as they are at the moment.

SF6's issues are the exact same ones since launch like DR in neutral, 2MK DR, throw loops and high damage. Compared to SFV S3 and SSF4 we've been playing the same game since the 2022 betas.

WHY THE FUCK IS THE CROSS PROMO MATERIAL FOR BOTH GAMES SO BAD

>>714916679 (OP)
"""Street Fighter""" 6 doesn't look, sound or play like a Street Fighters game. Capcom went out of their way (more than ever) to meticulously craft a game for zoomers and Americans and the result is fucking horrendous.
No opinion on Tekken 8, I haven't played it.

>>714916853
Tekken 8 is not good. SF6 is dogshit too, but it gets away with it and is still the most played/dicksucked Fighting Game because it's Street Fighter. 90% of the FGC worships Capcom/Street Fighter, and zoomers/casuals play it because it's one of the most popular FG brand-names and braindead enough for them to mash in while getting high ranks.

>>714916679 (OP)
Tekken 8 is not good. SF6 is dogshit too, but it gets away with it and is still the most played/dicksucked Fighting Game because it's Street Fighter. 90% of the FGC worships Capcom/Street Fighter, and zoomers/casuals play it because it's one of the most popular FG brand-names and braindead enough for them to mash in while getting high ranks.

>>714916679 (OP)
Street Fighter 6 is designed for people who orbited fighting games but never really played. They made it a total baby game with no skill and removed all legacy skill, but at the same time pretended nothing happened so the people who like this game think they're playing a legit hardcore fighting game. I don't know any other game to draw parallels to.

Tekken 8 is the same, they simplified so much and added shitty mechanics that force randomness and diminish skill, but the difference is there are no tekken posers. People who like tekken.... just play tekken. It was always way more casual friendly, so there are no casuals that couldn't even handle tekken 3, 4, tekken 7, tag 2, etc.

complaining is to zoomers what sarcasm is to gen x
Fighting games are still mid.

Push forward combat in fighting games sucks as evident by how they doubled down on offense with tekken 8.

Maybe if you had SOME incentive to play defensively the aggression would be tolerable.

>>714916996
>sf is doing fine
>dead genre
>doing fine

>>714922735
>>dead genre
Only idiot zoomies think this.
But you're right about the other part, Street Fighter is not "fine" because the most successful game they've made in a while is a piece of shit that barely resembles Street Fighter at all so I agree, that is not fine.

>>714916996
it's so fucking weird. T7 was super popular, had a very strong competitive scene too, was literally the most popular competitive FG at the time, became even more popular than SF
Then they dropped everything that made T7's gameplay so sophisticated for no fucking reason, got shitloads of bad word of mouth, the game likely will sell nowhere near as much as T7 did

they probably took DBFZ's similar shitty unga increasing patches as some success story, considering DBFZ sold a lot, even tho it's sales almost certainly have nothing to do with the shitty balance patches and they just made longtime players drop the game

>>714916679 (OP)
SF6 is fucking trash and every pro player, e-celeb or retard from the FGC is too afraid to complain it because they are afraid Capcom and the community will blacklist them. Also, since every other fighting game shot itself on the foot but they don't have the Street Fighter IP history behind them, there is nowhere to run.

How is COTW doing? That was supposed to be the savior of fightan games according to /v/ for months on end.

>>714916679 (OP)
new bad, old good

>>714924868
New has faggot shit propaganda in it, so yes you fat nigger. old good. KYS

>>714916679 (OP)
Total coincidence that Tekken got bad as soon as the muslim jeets got good at it, eh?

>>714920145
City of the Wolves and KoF 15 aren't any better, they're made for Mexicans who love long combos. Guilty Gear is made for trannies and Redditors who don't play fighting games. The entire genre is in the shitter because they're either dumbing down (and simultaneously overcomplicating with systems) games to appeal to casuals and hypebros or they're being made needlessly complicated to appeal to a minority of a minority of hardcore players. Playing Project Justice over the last few months reminded me of why fighting games are actually good: simple to get into gameplay that you master through actually playing matches.

I daresay training modes need to be removed entirely from fighting games. The concept of labbing and studying frame data and shit has proven to be utterly cancerous to the genre and taken away the simplicity that made it work.

>>714916679 (OP)
Tekken 8 got some reall good patches adressing the issues of the game.
Many people just complain cause they dont know how to defend in this game and pros are whiny losers cause they have to adept to a new enviroment instead f doing the same moves over like in the legacy titels.

>>714916679 (OP)
sf6 is fine. every mainline sf game has issues and every mainline sf game will be shit on endlessly on here by scrubs because they can't stand losing

>>714924739
Definitely not living up to that.
I don't know about other players, but I was really hyped at first, then the ronaldo and salvatore shit dropped and I just nope'd the fuck out.
I don't care what some of the fags on this board says. That kinda bullshit ruins my excitement. If I liked netherrealm's garbage to start with, I'd say the same thing about all their fucked up out of place guest characters.

>>714924352
T8 was super hyped back when it was released.
Then they fucked it up with the tekken shop cheaters and no quitting penalty.
Then S2 came.

>>714924695
Genuinely curious what sega expects out of VF sales and community wise cause tekken might course correct itself before VF6 gets any ground.

SF6 is good
Tekken 8 is alrigh
Strive is boring
idc about Granblue
COTW is a circus game
MK1 shot itself in the foot
The rest are discord fighters

>>714926137
Ronaldo and salvatore are peak meme fun tho.
I dont want another comic relief 1 personality gimmick character just because its original.
They always end up being cringe and garbage.

>>714926220
They expect a lot because their execs are still living in their heads in the time VF2 was explosive in japan.
Unless they come up with something amazing and new that really gets people into it though, I can't see a new VF doing any better than the last ones have. I'd much rather have a new IP with some really funky setting like Last Bronx was back then, but corpo gotta play it safe.

>>714923616
Nigga only old as fuck millenials stick with that garbage genre with identical issues.

>>714924695
I don't really see what I'm supposed to see in this webm seems like he got outplayed

>Stays strong
>Competitive tourneys keep happening
>Active and alive community
Every other fighting game is dead cause it aint this.

>>714922735
Why do doomtrannies spend all their time talking about games being dead instead of playing them?

2D fighting games adding wall crushes is a retarded mechanic sorry

>>714926265
>The rest are discord fighters
Rivals of Aether 2 has more players than Granblue and CotW combined how is that discord tier

>>714926540
>Playing them
Cause its a bad genre with garbage games.
None of them are actually good and all of them have identity crisis between casuals and pros.

I like playing SF6 and Strive and no /v/troon seething can stop me from enjoying them.

>>714926620
>le everything le sucks
Wow what an original 4tranner you are.

>>714926110
This is who tekken is for now. Even lower IQ browns than the ones who liked it before.

>>714926265
>MK games are consistently the best selling fighting games ever made (unless you count Smash)
>They get like 2 years of support maximum sometimes less and never stick around EVO

WB keeps Neatherrealm open out of obligation at this point.

>>714926602
I dont count rivals as a traditional fighter

>>714926875
Tekken isn't a traditional fighter either

What about smash bros ultimate?

>>714919560
"""Street Fighter""" 3 Turd Strike doesn't look, sound or play like a Street Fighters game. Capcom went out of their way (more than ever) to meticulously craft a game for youngsters and Americans and the result is fucking horrendous.

>>714926923
Really fucking boring as it's devolved to just camping.

>>714926995
>tfw the memer can't even be bothered to ape the tekken comment
Peak zoomer laziness right here.

>>714926923
For Glory/For Fun was great and its gone now and the GSP system is dog ass so all that on top of the already bad online ruins it for me without friend matches 1v1.

If you're at a very high level it can be bad. The people that are complaining are just mad they can't spam dumb shit as much as others. Realistically, if you wanna get into fighting games it doesn't matter at all since you will just keep getting fucked for the first 100 hours regardless

>>714928329
>can't spam dumb shit
the complaint about T8 is that it's devolved into nothing but spamming dumbshit.

>>714926417

outplayed yes

its just a shame that the game boils down to two or three interactions in neutral now before you have enough meter and super attacks to just delete someone's health bar

it also doesn't help that daigo is playing akuma who typically has a smaller health bar

but alex is easy mode, super lenient inputs and does big damage for little effort

>>714926265
>Capcultist hates literally everything but Street Shitter
Wow how not shocking.

>>714926495
fuck you crumpet dash at me bro get blown up

>>714916679 (OP)
Schizo autists have declared jihad on SF6 and will shitpost about it until the end of time. Truth is that there are a ton of unnecessary annoying additions to it, but it's still a fine enough fighting game. T8 is undeniably in a bad state right now, but they made changes and are starting to undo the damage so there's at least a bit of hope. Both games are fun and worth playing if you're new to the genre, but the better you get the more those annoying grievances will pop up.

>>714928508
>its just a shame that the game boils down to two or three interactions in neutral now before you have enough meter and super attacks to just delete someone's health bar
just like SF3 and 4

>>714926220
people are setting themselves up for disappointment. VF plays like a completely different thing than Tekken ever did, almost pure turn taking and framesperg. 99% of tekken (and 2D) players that try it will bounce off, and literally no old millennial/gen x players that liked it back in the day outside of Japan were ever playing anything close to the real game.

>>714916679 (OP)
<-- This was the deciding round of a world championship qualifier last year.

And this is how the world championships went -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTAdRn1RfMA

>>714928897
Just escaping grabs in VF needs a masters degree. I dont know how they will market that game to people that generally buy a game for solo modes then bounce off.

>>714928895
citation needed

in sf3 you can parry

sf4 you would need to build an ultra bar

fadc iand sf3 input execution much harder, no free neutral skips like sf6

>>714928895
Other than Makoto and maybe Ryu SF3 wasn't a high damage output game at all. A full jumpin combo into super usually did around a third. Same with 4. When low-health scaling kicked in some combos would basically just stop doing damage at all after about 10 hits.

>>714929280
You can parry in 6 to so guess it's a noncomplaint to begin with.

>>714928870
>annoying greivances

there are legitimate criticisms for any of the games

>>714929345

ok, explain how to parry in sf 3

>>714926923
The game could be great if Sakurai stopped being a fucking baby when it comes to the competitive side of the game, and he stopped being a lazy, spiteful cunt that hates gaming outside of JRPGS

>>714929397

noooooo roll back is gaijin technologyyyyyyyyyyyy

7 frames input laggggggggggggggggg

>>714929384
You press forward.

>>714929472

and?

>>714929439
frame chopping is literally just as bad as input delay. You are just pretending to play a game at 150 ping.

>>714929345
6 parry is just a fucking block button with an extra mechanic that lets you unlock a chance to play the throw loop minigame if you time it right.

>>714929537

i just play melee and project plus

actual smash games

rivals 2 is good too

>>714929513
And you can parry in 6 too by pressing mp and mk at the same time.
Hope that helps!

>>714929613

>doesn't know how to parry lows in sf3

figures

and its strong and medium

>>714929384
>there are legitimate criticisms for any of the games
I never suggested otherwise

>>714929613
And what happens in each game if you mistime the parry?

>>714929679
You didn't ask that now did you, you silly Billy.

>>714928458
My point is that it doesn't matter for 90% of the players complaining about it

>>714930032
It does given that's how you play the game now and people at all levels find it unfun.

>>714929679
>and it's strong and medium

How do you make fighting games fun as a single player experience? Last one I can think of that was legitimately fun was the challenge tower in MK9

>>714930456
By killing singleplayer trannies

>>714930456
it's genuinely not possible

im just playing cotw and staying in my lane

>>714930456

there is an entire single player story mode campaign thing in sf6, its not hugely substantive but its cute

>>714930193

bro not even an oh niner, out here acking like they don't know street fighter inputs

>>714930925
>doubles down
>doesn't know forward
lmao poser

*was right about T8, SF6, and MK1 being garbage in your path*
APOLOGIZE

>>714928961
and oki wasn't any better in 5, so that's two games in a row of this clown shit

>>714926137
>I was really hyped at first
I was too, then I played the beta with my Garou friend and we both decided to stick with that.

>>714931034

>forward

now thats old shcool

no one in japanese arcades says that, what are you socal?

>>714916679 (OP)
SF is extremely successful but a lot of players don't like the new mechanics like drive rush and drive parry and some complain about it being stagnant after two seasons with fairly minor adjustments.
Tekken is a fucking mess and is so shit now that even casual players complain about it, everyone at every level of skill hates it now.
MK is dead but who cares
GG seems to be trucking along with all the new gay ass fans, nothing new.
SNK had an embarrassing flop in Fatal Fury. Plays pretty good but everything around that was a mess. Game got less players than fightcade. Don't think we're getting that Art of Fighting reboot after this.
This is the state of the genre. One game succeeds to an absurd degree, the rest struggle and die. Except I guess Guilty Gear, it has a niche. But even then the old fans hate it even more than the old SF fans. Virtua Fighter will come and probably be a flop. Or not, who knows. One can only hope for something new and decent at this point.

>>714931162
>tries to act like an old head
>doesn't even know terminology that isn't used by anyone

>>714931105
>eternally butthurt nigger
Right twice a day by accident, minimum. lol

>>714931142
All the new mechanics in Cotw seemed really uninspired and just bloated the game when just added on top of all the Garou stuff.

>>714916679 (OP)
they're in a good state but as with anything live service you only ever hear complaints because people are too in love with the game still and that's why it's flaws are more magnifyied because people are too close to it. there's not much substantive to say in "I love x" beyond that

>>714931297
>they're in a good state
They are not. The whole genre is in an absolute shit state.

>>714931169
>Plays pretty good but everything around that was a mess.
City of the Wolves just about embodies everything wrong with modern fighting game design from an actual gameplay/mechanics standpoint. All it's missing is the shitty live service aspect but that's because SNK is so retardedly stupid at monetizing their games that they don't even make costumes.

Why did no one buy it? Do people really just not like the Street Fighter EX characters?

>>714924739
>How is COTW doing?
Playerbase? Abysmally.
As a game? It's decent, it just falls into a lot of modern FG-isms while basically having some "hardcore old-school" aspects on top. Credit where it's due it's ballsy to make a character like Billy and just say you have to make use of difficult-to-use mechanics or else you just lose against him, but really it's a modern game at its core. I'd rather play it than about anything else on the market right now but I'd rather play a host of old games over it, and it's definitely not a true successor to MOTW (which is a shame, since the canceled MOTW 2 would have had a ton of potential if it actually refined the rough prototype that was MOTW)

Did they do anything with rage arts in T8 yet? I don't mind big cutscene attacks, but getting it for free every single round was unfun.

>>714930456
make it a CaC school life simulator where you form bonds, learn moves, and improve your stats but make sure you never ever translate it for baka gaijins

>>714931843
Because Arika hasent been a fighting game dev for so long that this only exists because of an april fools joke. It was cheaply made and got a few updates but still had bad online. Just like Samsho for SNK.

>>714931714
Why?

>>714916679 (OP)
From a profit standpoint, they're doing fantastic. From a quality standpoint, they're worse than they've ever been, every major fg right now sucks

I am starting to think people here don't actually play fighting games and just want them to all be failures.

>>714932223
I want VF to succeed. But it won't.

>>714931843
The redesigns are incredibly shit losing any of the charm and simplicity of the original ones; too much modern anime nonsense with moe faces, overdesigned outfits and shit. Beyond that, the deck/gem/whatever you want to call it system was beyond retarded and immediately killed whatever small amount of hype the game had.

>>714931853
>As a game? It's decent
It is not, it's completely dominated by 3 or 4 characters (Kaine, Billy, Hokutomaru and Hotaru) in a game with a small cast of characters who largely aren't interesting to play and some characters (Preecha, Tizoc, Mai) are fucking awful in how absolutely shitty they are to do anything with.

>>714932223
nobody agrees on what makes a good fighting game

>>714931926
Literally I've said that this is what they need to do with a new Rival Schools. Give it Atlus-tier graphics and just refine the gameplay that was in Project Justice to be a little less jank but still keeps the simple and casual friendly gameplay (no shit like parries, unga mechanics, EX moves, super chaining, random meters/burnout, etc.) and you'll have struck gold. Instead if we ever get a new one it'll just be a shitty version of SF6 with ugly RE Engine graphics.

>>714930456
Should just do it like Persone, or Catherine, and make a life simulator in between fights. I want to max out my B Jenet Social Link

>>714932587
I just want less of a focus on rushdown, tighter input buffers so "optimal" combos aren't free, defense shouldn't be so shit on purpose, and I want less of a focus on universal mechanics that homogenize the game.

>>714932074
Already said the problems here >>714926054

They've completely lost sight of how to actually make a good fighting game and either dumb the game down but not in a way that's very casual friendly by being easy to pick up and play without assaulting the player with meters and two dozen systems and sub-systems and parries and hyper parries and reverse guard cancel rainbow EX just parries while every knockdown turns into a guessing minigame as you or your opponent shufle and dash nonstep (SamSho 2019 is more like what we should be getting). The games have become increasingly made for an autistic subset of fighting game players (not even tournament players) obsessed with frame data and labbing every single situation and matchup possible as if fighting games should be reduced to data points ensuring optimal robot play which then leads to the quickly formed meta and lack of any real experience because the game is figured out within a week and thus there becomes only one valid way to play.

>>714932960
All the complaints in your linked post are complaining that people play them.

>>714932960
Also this is why you're seeing an increase in shitty setplay characters in fighting games like JP and Kaine because the autistic lab monster types LOVE setplay characters since playing them requires having the type of autism that turns one into a lab monster in the first place. A lot of this is due to the negative influence of Guilty Gear/anime fighters on the rest of the genre as those players are the ones who have been getting jobs in the industry and start trying to import all their gay anime shit (long combos, installs, setplay characters, etc.) into games where they don't belong.

>>714932960
Your complaints make no sense and are contradictory, you say the games are too casual and easy while also being too complex and made for niche autists who lab everything

>>714930456
TFH has 1/7th of the best fighting game single player campaign ever made
Just do basically that but don't be lazy shits and actually work on it instead of doing nothing for a year after the first chapter releases

>>714931212

forward is a direction, so its disambiguation, like claw dictator and boxer

why don't you know this?

>>714932223
Correct.

>>714931926
No

>>714933412
turns out that people that complain about fighting games don't play them

>>714933605
Forward is what mk was called on SF2 machines, how do you not know this?

How difficult is it to use creamapi?

>>714916679 (OP)
Darkstalkers is still dead so yeah, the genre is still in a shit place.

>>714930456
Do what Blazblue used to do with unique conditions in fights and super versions of characters as bosses.

>>714933991
If you can drag and drop files, edit file names and edit .ini you can use creampi.

>>714933991
If you have a computer and a brain, you can use creamapi.

>>714933914

i do know this, however, you should know that it is a legacy term

if you went to an arcade or local at all now, we call it medium or just mid cuz strong disambiugates it

forward is a direction

also, japan mostly uses anime notation anyway, so you would see six mid six strong etc

>>714934096
Ah so when you try to act like a smug faggot about what buttons are called it's fine but when you're called out for using the wrong term it's a legacy term all of a sudden?

>>714931843
don't like the ice skate movement but i want to pull on pullum's purnas

>>714933412
They're not contradictory at all. The overall style has been dumbed down to the point where the only way to play is brainless unga (or a setplay character if you're a mega-autist) because devs think defense is bad and doesn't create HYPE moments that can be shared for viral purposes to try and draw people in. Yet at the same time the actual mechanics and systems have gotten pointlessly and needlessly complicated because you have to suddenly worry and pay attention to more systems, installs, meters, etc. than you'd have to in an older game (or SamSho 2019) that's not actually as braindead in its overall playstyle.

>>714934158

its just the truth

>>714933163
Sadly, anime fighters are getting shittier too because they want Street Fighter money and end up slowing everything down and gutting the reasons people like them. I don't get why grounded games can't just stay grounded, and anime fighters can't just stay anime. The two are blending together too much to the detriment of each other.

>>714934304
You being a hypocrite? Yeah.
Bet you masturbated when posting "heh it's actually strong and medium" and are now pissing yourself in rage you got exposed.

I think in terms of how fun they are to play, what has recently come out, and what is coming out, FGs are in a pretty lackluster state right now. Nothing but mediocre games as far as the eye can see.
It’s worse as an anime player. Back in the 2010s, I had BB, Xrd, P4U, and UNIST as the modern anime fighters to play. Maybe some Examu slop here and there. Now it’s have fucking Strive, the billionth version of UNI, and Gransnooze. Shit sucks.

>>714932587
more control. give some way to stop being comboed or even better don't allow 15 second long combos

>>714934314
People want the "bullshit" (I say this as a term of endearment) of anime fighters but they want the "groundedness" (if that is the right word) and simplicity of stuff like street fighter. I agree they should be separate, but with the financial success of strive (anime -> traditional) and sf6 (traditional -> anime) I think this is the beginning of a permanent change.

>>714931843
It's because gougi system is absolute garbage. It's basically SFxT gems and it cannot be turned off. Funny thing is, the switch version of this game apparently removed gougi. If we ever get that version on steam, I will play.
>Do people really just not like the Street Fighter EX characters?
I adore the characters. I've been meaning to set up EX2+ with the duckstation rollback thing but lazy

>predict the throw
>backdash it
>opponent blocks my 5f punish
why are throws so fucking dumb in this game?

Maybe they should go back to making fun fighting games and revive Soul Calibur instead of chasing shitty esports

>>714935192
Maybe you fags should've fucking played it if you wanted it to thrive.

>>714935192
>Maybe they should go back to making fun fighting games
No one plays those
>revive Soul Calibur
kek

>>714935251
I did. Unfortunately the fighting game community is a bunch of no fun tryhards who think they can compete in tourneys with the literal autists who plays the game 24/7

>you have to... le predict
let it be known across the world and the industry that Ono did this. he ruined fighting games forever. this is his legacy.

>>714934729
>PAY
>ESPORTS ATHLETES
>WHAT THEY'RE FUCKING WORTH

>>714935379
Have you considered that maybe they are having fun?

>>714935493
After watching how miserable speedrunners are (pretty much the same thing) no I doubt it

"Tryhard" is my favorite /v/ cope
>nooooo you can't heckin play the game properly that's being a heckin tryhard
Also always paired with some cope about how they play for fun (meaning they should be allowed to win for free)

>>714935591
>after watching how depressed alcoholics are, people don't like coffee

>>714934694
The EX Layer designs are trash. Compare Blair in that to her original design for instance.

>>714935684
Correct. You're likely miserable and lacking something if you're that obsessed.

>>714934026
So long as I have my Fightcade bros, it's never truly dead/

>>714935791
>playing a game for fun is an obsession

>>714929734
This is the new meta for spamming retards on /v/, if you notice that it's the same people spamming day in and day out trying to shut down discussion of particular games you're just trying to shut down perfectly reasonable criticism.

>>714935604
It's hilarious because they think the fighting game genre survived for 35 years just mashing buttons because that's what they did when they were 8
The moment someone digs deeper than that (aka actually playing) they are immediately an autist because they can do a DP motion and hold back to block

>>714935604
They're the ones decreeing that fighting games are only fun on release when everybody has no idea what they're doing and exclusively mashing.

>>714935827
Now you're just simplifying my stance to make me sound unreasonable. In fact it didn't even have anything to do with how much you played but what the players demand out of a fighting game, hence "no fun". The fighting game community only wants a practice mode and multiplayer mode. That's literally it. Everything else is pointless because everyone wants to be a tourneyfag.

>>714935604
I always saw "tryhard" as being more of a "playing in the kind of way that would get you punched in the mouth offline just because its technically effective" kind of thing in fighting games.
if everyone is just doing the most effective thing every single time the game stops being fun. There's playing the game properly, and then there's playing the game like a total fag on purpose.
You could argue that aggressively throw looping people is the "proper" way to play SF6 because throws are poorly balanced and you'll probably win if you do it, but everyone will hate you and everyone would avoid you if you were playing offline because you aren't fun to play with.
No one really gives a shit if you win if you do it in a really stupid way that ruins the game.
Like sure pepper in occasional back to back throws, but if you're just going ham with that shit you should expect to be called a huge dork.

>>714936137
I've been called a tryhard on here enough times to know that isn't true.

>>714936029
The discovery phase of games are objectively the most fun, and the fun slowly starts to dwindle away as the fags from reddit that can't figure shit out on their own start to show up with their flowchart meta bullshit and turn every match into the same shit.

If you don't enjoy the discovery phase of games you're a certified brainlet.

>>714936137
Playing lame has defined the big dogs of fighting games for decades. Daigo and Jwong were always "hated" for playing lame as fuck on the defense but they're the ones whose names everyone remembers.

>>714936221
I didn't say everyone uses it that way, but its how I always saw it

>>714936081
No no you're the one who said nobody is actually having fun playing them. Stand by your statement.

>>714936223
There's absolutely some fun to be had in the scrub phase but I don't take particular joy in that sort of thoughtless mashing and praying to god something works.
I much prefer seeing how an entire character's movelist can flow together.

>>714936137
I'm pretty sure most people who use that term don't think of it like that
They think doing ANYTHING past the mashing with your cousin level of fighting game is "tryhard" although your version of it still exists
It's the "let me have fun" argument when what they mean is let me mash buttons because I don't want to actually understand what I'm doing

>>714936253
You're not gonna be the next Daigo for throw looping in SF6 when its the exact same shit people are doing down in gold rank.
Daigo and Jwong played lame but they were also doing it their own way and by doing shit that took more skill than just slime into throw.

>>714936302
No? I said the tryhards larping as tourneyfags are miserable. I didn't say everyone. You're really desperate to be right for some reason.

>>714936253
>Daigo and Jwong were always "hated" for playing lame as fuck on the defense
Daigo and Jwong have also been hardfiltered by how spoonfed offense is in SF6. The game is so stupid that these guys are getting bodied by literal 12 year olds that started playing fighting games with SF6

>>714936347
All I'm saying is that playing lame is a valid strategy. There's having fun with a back and forth but all your efforts in landing a good hit, doing a good combo, or a smart read is going to matter shit for dick if you end up losing in the end. So why not put in that little extra effort to do the cool shit AND win?

>>714936395
The bare basics of being able to learn the game with an unprecedented amount of resources online teaching you how to do shit is not everyone trying to be a tourneyfag. The bar was raised and now nobody has the excuse of not knowing how to do something. It's an effort thing now because the actual autists have labbed everything for you and the ball is on your court to do the easy thing and just do the shit they labbed out for you.

>>714936345
Playing Tekken 3 or CvS2 with your buddies in high school when none of you really knew what you were doing was a lot more fun than playing SFIV or Xrd online in the modern era when you're somewhat capable

>>714936447
>All I'm saying is that playing lame is a valid strategy.
Sure, but like you said everyone will hate you for it, and its much more valid when you're doing it in a tournament setting with money on the line.
When you're just playing like a total fag in casual/ranked matches people are going to think you're a dork, especially when "playing lame" just involves abusing overpowered mechanics instead of just playing defensively like they did.
There's a big difference between "playing smart but lame" and "being lame"

>>714936395
No you said that they aren't playing "fun fighting games"
So obviously means that they aren't having fun.
Maybe try not being a disingenuous cunt for a second of your life.

>>714936223
Mashing is not part of the discovery phase it's mashing

>>714936536
>overpowered mechanics
Assuming we're talking about universal mechanics and everyone can do it then what's stopping you from doing it too?

>>714936532
Nah, playing online is more fun because I don't have to listen to some loser whine about how it's unfair I am blocking him for hours on end.

The communities are quickly turning thuggish. It's only a matter of time before somebody gets stabbed or shot at a tournament.

>>714936604
>then what's stopping you from doing it too?
Its not fun to win by abusing system mechanics. At that point I might as well just play the current top tier that abuses them the best as well. I want to use my characters tools, not just slime into throw loops, slime into overhead, crMK slime etc

>>714934390

definitely, because defending sf 6 like your life depends on it is so very noble

tips fedora

>>714924695
why did capcum make minor changes to throw loops that do nothing instead of just getting rid of them? they aren't fun and no one likes them. even from the position of a spectator they're a snooze fest. they literally appeal to no one

>>714936863
Where did I defend SF6?

>>714936532
I had to convince my brother that eddy was not cheap in tekken 3 but he just kept getting mad and it didn't even matter if I switched the skill gap was too big
Fast forward a bit and playing mvc3, the guy I was fighting didn't know what a crossup meant and didn't know how to block it, kept complaining and eventually left
I know locals and stuff but playing fighting games casually with friends is the shittiest experience when there is a skill gap, thank fuck for online rollback so I can actually play the game

>>714936538
Correct. The current fighting game community isn't having fun because all they know how to do is resort to a bunch of outside material before you can even "enjoy" it. Case in point this fag >>714936527
The only genre of video game where tryhards are proud that you need to watch shitty youtube videos just to play the game. Many people will still enjoy these games and even play multiplayer that quickly get bored because there's little else to do. But that's not who the devs will listen to. They listen to the minority of tryhards who only care about getting a phd for their favorite fighting game.

>>714936732
The over-reliance on universal mechanics is why I don't play SF6 and GBVSR.

>>714936903

when are you not?

>>714936732
NTA but what you listed are much harder to avoid than something like camping where games can at least penalize that (like negative penalty). Those are so baked into the game that you can't really avoid them.

>>714936967
You didn't answer me.

>>714936941
Casuals don't care to stick with a game so there's really no point in advertising for their kind beyond getting them to buy the game.

>>714936941
If they really only listened to the dedicated fanbase I don't think we would have gotten strive/t8/sf6 the way they are.

>>714936941
How come /v/shitters never seethe this much about CS?

>>714937081
Funny because FPS games can have a group of tryhards that will easily stomp casuals, yet casuals continue to play and keep the game afloat. Maybe it has something to do with there being more to do than "punch other guy" all the time.

>>714936941
SF6 literally has every single tutorial baked in the game and has casual slop like avatar battle for people to play
the "youtube video" people are a complete minority and are not what the devs are appealing to
Maybe old fighting games sure but it's been heavily casualized lately so you are just a fucking retard who doesn't understand this genre outside a surface level

>>714937245
>Maybe it has something to do with there being more to do than "punch other guy" all the time.
"Run around and shoot" doesn't seem like a whole lot more.

>>714937153
Because /v/ hates fighting games no matter how much the developers change them for them. But /v/ hates games in general.

Also, there really is not much to talk about CS2. I don't think counter strike really changes that much (from my brief time playing it). The rotational threads for /v/ are more like "why is ffxiv bad/no budget", "AAA sloppa", "I hate fighting games", etc.

>>714937245
Like what? CS is nothing but click head and gamble.

>>714936941
>The only genre of video game where tryhards are proud that you need to watch shitty youtube videos just to play the game
no, rts is the exact same way. it's just that rts and fighting games are the only genres with skill floors high enough that the learning curve is inescapable and that's why they're niche genres in the first place

these companies are constantly dying to expand the market which is why they do every possible thing they can to make shitters like you buy it, like putting in modern controls and autocombos but there is no way for you to win the game without putting in effort, without fundamentally transforming the game from a fighting game to a mindless button masher and at that point you've lost the entire core demographic

>>714930456
probably just make single player a beat em up. Basically every modern beat em up wants to be a single player fighting game with juggles and bullshit like that so it baffles me actual fighting games don't do that

>>714937323
>>714937309
I don't play CS but it honestly doesn't sound like a game with a high casual playerbase anyway. Something like TF2 is probably cancer nowadays but still popular just because it's fun to dick around with different character builds and play styles.
>>714937361
>these companies are constantly dying to expand the market which is why they do every possible thing they can to make shitters like you buy it, like putting in modern controls and autocombos
Well that's their mistake in thinking that simplifying the fighting mechanics is somehow the way to gain more players. Casuals are always the scapegoat because devs assume the entire game needs to be easier just to appease them.

>>714937817
>I don't play
>keeps writing

>>714937892
>I have no rebuttal
>keeps writing

>>714934729
I'd never actually heard Justin Wong speak until fairly recently.

Why does he try and talk like some hardass street nigga from Detroit? He's a pudgy middle-class Chinese kid from New York for fuck's sake.

>>714937817
literally anyone can boot up a shooter and have a good time. it's not 1v1 and the barrier to entry is literally point and click

fighting games are not intuitive like that and they're highly competitive. a match of fucking cs is not and the pivot to focus on the esports shit is not what got it popular in the first place

>>714937935
You didn't make an argument you just said CS doesn't count.

>>714937245
I'm in the camp that doesn't play FPS and part of that is because I don't like dying to stuff I can't see.

>>714938119
>get headshot through mid doors
>have to wait 2 minutes to play again
Wow so fun

>>714937817
>but it honestly doesn't sound like a game with a high casual playerbase anyway.
Anon it's 24 hour peak was 1.3 million players on Steam. You're insane if you think even half of those are hardcore players and not casuals fucking around on Dust2.

>>714938272
>Wow so fun
it is for most people, hence why it's got 10x the playercount of every fighting game combined

Tekken 8 is hot garbage. The only people defending it are casual flavour of the week skin deep tourists who enjoy making it all the way to fujin with nothing but unga bunga and never actually plan to git gud at the game. These people wouldnt play any actually competitively balanced previous tekken game for 20 minutes before putting it down because it's impossible for them to win fighting someone with even 1 month of experience. This is the worst state Tekkens ever been in and these "fixes" pretty much just bandaid the top 1% of literally broken shit but keeps the other 99% of shit no matter how detrimental it is to the series as a whole. Tekken 8 will be the last game in the series and they'll ultimately blame its fans and the casual goobers will listen and blame the fans as well even though those fans were the reason Tekken made it all the way up to 8 in the first place.

It's completely doomed, thank Harada, thank Murray, thank Yohei, thank Bamco.

>>714938272
>pick up a fighting game as a new player
>go into a placement match
>don't even really know the basic controls beyond spending 3 minutes in training mode, if that
>get throw looped to death and double perfected
>don't even get to play the game
>turn it off and never touch it again
this is the average experience for a casual in a fighting game. please explain to me how this is any more fun for a casual than pointing and clicking in a shooter

>>714938401
>>714938618
You don't even play either so why are you posting?

>>714938783
??
I've played both

>>714938063
How much estrogen is running through your veins that you think Justin Wong sounds like a 'hardass street nigga'?

>>714938891
Then you would know how placement natches work

The reason fighting games (and RTS) games are so different is because a skill disparity doesn't mean you're going to be prevented from playing the game. Even if you get flicked by someone in CS or are playing against a stack in Dota or whatever, you're still *playing* the game. You're gonna be throwing smokes and watching angles or farming creeps and thinking about your build. You're interacting with the game's mechanics directly at all times because shooters and MOBAs have lots of downtime where not much is happening.

Fighting games are different. If you're playing against someone much better than you they will carry you to the corner and rape your face and you will literally not be allowed to play the game (or at least feel like you're not allowed to play the game). The conundrum of modern fighters is that they've made the corner carry into rape much easier to pull off, so more lower skilled players can be the ones to do it, but also have made it way more degenerate and unfun to deal with, making modern games feel really frustrating in a way older games were not. RTS is the same way: god forbid you don't lure your boar correctly or someone is going to have archers on your ass an entire minute before you would have an appropriate response ready or its GG.

>>714938994
I do.

>>714916679 (OP)
I don't know what retards you're listening to. If they're SNK fags, then yes. Other anons have covered the other games.

>>714939015
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fn23YF83WQE
I mostly agree with your point but it's still pretty bad.

>>714937053
at all times?

>>714922735
>Huuurrr your game needs to have a gorillian players and be top 5 on steam charts to be alive
Zoom zoom zoom

>>714939015
In fighting games it doesn't even take a very large skill disparity for you to get your shit pushed in. You constantly need to accept how bad you are at the game and not only actively learn from your mistakes, but also painstakingly incorporate solutions into muscle memory. You have to put your ego aside too, which most people can't do. You have no team mates to blame, only yourself.

It is absolutely no surprise that casuals do not stick with it.

>>714939419
it is funny to me that having like 2k concurrent players in a fighting game is considered "healthy" while for any other genre that would be considered a dying breath.

Its a golden age for causals and entry leveled players. Not so much for OGs

>>714938515
If everyone can unga bunga.
Then how do you reach fujin then?
The enemy shohkd be abke to ung bunga as well.
Bet my ass you got stomped and now cry like a little bitch in this thread.

>>714916679 (OP)
fighting games haven't been good since everyone started playing online. fighting games literally cannot be good online, they either cannot function because frame links are too tight for post-facto syncronization efforts or you have to build in buffer states into every single animation (long startups) which makes the game casual city when it comes to execution. hard fucking pass every time. haven't played a fighting game in over a decade.

>>714926110
50/50s are not something you're entitled to and guessing isn't a defensive skill, Aegis.

>>714939747
With rollback you can consistently hit 2F windows at around 150 ping

>>714939747
>haven't played a fighting game
Yeah, that was obvious

>>714939747
say what you want about SF6 but it genuinely has the best netcode of any fighter out there
you can play a brazilian wifi ken with 200 ping and it will actually be playable

>>714939747
>haven't played a fighting game in over a decade.

Yea your whole ignorant retard tirade made that obvious.

>>714939574
Not according to this thread.

>>714939532
Overinflated expectations are part of the modern industry. It's why you get games that sell multi-million and still get called failures.

>>714936253
Daigo, Justin and a lot of others had good fundamentals and played in games, even SF4, that didn't punish you for playing lame or slowing things down. SF6, Kekken 8 and basically all of SNK's post-Playmore output (besides Samurai Shodown) either virtually or actively punish you for not playing like a chimp.

>>714939491
>but also painstakingly incorporate solutions into muscle memory
This is the actual reason why these games suck. Labbing autistically is a better way to improve at them than actually playing. Screw this shit, I'm not spending hours grinding blockstrings in practice mode.

>>714939574
Old fighting games are better than ever

>>714936645
kind of surprised there hasn't been anything like that in a US fighting game tournament yet. Perhaps most FGs players are humble and expect the 0-2 and just have fun.

>>714940971
The people driving to tournaments are what you'd except. This might have happened in the arcade days or it might happen now on fightcade in Brazil or some shit. But in the modern US? Nah.

SF6 is ok but boring
Tekken 8 is shit
UNI2 is based but no one plays it
Strive is the tranny containment zone

>Everybody complains that the unique gimmick mechanics of any given fighting game ends up undermining neutral, empowers mindless rushdown and offensive pressure too much, and means that defensive counterplay is neutered

>Meanwhile, pic related game out and it's unique gimmick mechanics are all about emphasizing neutral, forces careful consideration of your combo routes and offensive options in order to stay in advantage/to keep the enemy under pressure, and enables reversals

apologize

also Pokken's matchmaking is still active and the scene is less dead then most fighters that are even half it's age and are on most platforms even if it's still a small community, it's not too late to play (refer to https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/709677116/#709684502 for community links), feel free to ask questions, etc

>>714941094
expect*

>>714941309
i'd buy a switch 2 sequel day 1

>>714941301
Predictions for the future fighting games?
>2xko
>Marvel Tokon
>Invincible Versus
>The next Melty Blood game (whenever that may be)
>VF6
>HxH: Nen Impact

Might have forgotten any others.

>>714940971
Before 6 the game was far less random so if you were good enough to waste time and money signing up for a tournament you were good enough to understand you lost because the other guy was better. 6 might've been different but by the time it came out almost the entire scene had already transitioned to online so everyone could only rage alone in their bedroom.

https://www.twitch.tv/punkdagod/clip/MildEmpathicPieOSsloth-OiViCGS4P0bpVt8H

>>714940675
Well this thread and board is nothing but clamoring for a past that can never be again so it makes sense they see new FGs as shit and not from a new gamers perspective

>>714941434
couldn't care less about most of them
hope VF6 will be fun though
who said anything about a new Melty Blood? figured they'd one day update Lumina when the VN remake continues

>>714941517
The new Melty is just a guess. I assume it's done because it has not gotten a yearly patch like it did for the last two years (both were in May) but I could be wrong.

https://wiki.gbl.gg/w/Melty_Blood/MBTL/News_%26_Updates

Also it's because I don't know how long fighting games get updated for, especially since TL is not that popular atm even if it did get decent sales.

>>714934079
>>714934080
Would i be able to play a fighting game online if I used it?

>>714941839
Depends on the game. You can't in SF6 but you can in Strive.

>>714940010
>>714940118
>>714940202
>>714940342
>they think what they see is what they get in rollback
lol, lmao even

>>714916679 (OP)
Fighting games will never be good again, they were only good because you could play them locally with a friend. Now that they're played online you'll never get a fair fight, the other person could have a shit connection, be cheating, anything. There's zero reason to play them now that both peoples experience isn't the same.

>>714941880
Sfv?

>>714940010
>>714940118
>>714940202
>>714940342
here, because I'm too lazy to explain for the umpteenth time why constantly reverting what's happening on the screen is an insane way to handle fighting games: https://antsstyle.medium.com/netcode-in-games-an-explanation-and-why-rollback-is-overrated-b76ee54ac2bb#4804

>>714941940
>CS will never be good again, it was only good because you could play it locally with LAN. Now that it's played online you'll never get a fair fight, the other person could have a shit connection, be cheating, anything.
you are a fucking retard who doesn't know the first thing about anything

>>714942180
I know you were trying to hit him with a gotcha but CS online is also fucking gay cancer aids and playing it competitively is absolutely infinitely better over a LAN connection. there's literally an entire concept called peeker's advantage you dumb fucking cuck.

>>714941378
Why not play DX now?

>>714942337
it's 8 years old and i don't have it

>>714942259
>offline is better than online
NOOOOOOOO WAAAAAAY DUDE how the fuck did you figure that out
and guess what, you can still play fighting games offline AND online woooooaaaaah

>>714936941
It's a product of the modern era. Labbing is cancer and until SF4 it consisted of playing matches, figuring shit out or seeing stuff and sharing it and trying it out in a match. At most training was where you'd practice your combos because training modes were too simple for labbing otherwise. SF4 and later changed that. Ironically, though, the in-game resources despite all this shit are still bad and don't teach you how to play the game or characters properly.

>>714938063
>Why does he try and talk like some hardass street nigga from Detroit? He's a pudgy middle-class Chinese kid from New York for fuck's sake.
What? He grew up in a working class immigrant family and hung around Chinatown Fair where all the hood and barrio niggas would play Marvel and get into fights. He talks like that because he's been part of that culture since he was in like middle school.

>>714942509
This. All this information you have access to in training mode only really benefits top players and encourages focusing on the most unfun homework imaginable.
Its like MMOs. The fun of discovery and coming in with secret tech you've developed even if it was ultimately basic was the fun part, but in the modern day all of that is datamined and speedran before you even get to touch it, and now you're expected to do it "correctly" or get completely fucked. What's worse is that this has completely infected old games too. When everyone solved Third Strike it became apparent just how dogshit it really was.

>>714916679 (OP)
SF6 is pretty good, but I'm not a big fan of the Drive mechanic. I think it would be a much better game if that system were either implemented very differently or were just absent. Drive Impact in particular just feels so lame to me.
I haven't played Tekken 8 in like a year, but I think it should say it all that I'm "the Tekken fan" among people I know and have barely put like 30 hours into it. It's just not very fun to me. I don't like Heat at all and find the art direction to be a little visually busy.

So, things aren't great, but they're at least much more playable over the internet these days. Not many great tunes in the soundtracks for the two aforementioned games, either, which is certainly a bit of a bummer.
That new Marvel game coming from ArcSys next year looks like it could be good. I hope it is.

>>714942135
>https://antsstyle.medium.com/netcode-in-games-an-explanation-and-why-rollback-is-overrated-b76ee54ac2bb#4804
tldr:
>easier to cheat (allegedly)
>handles extremely bad connections worse (debateable)
>actually thinks a 5f reaction time is realistic
>actually argues that trying to react in delay netcode is better

https://x.com/antsstyle/
>severely disabled
>pronouns
>futa enthusiast

>>714936645
>>714940971
Fighting games have gotten LESS thuggish. Fights breaking out in arcades over money matches used to be common. Josh Wigfall got a knife pulled on him by Dark Prince and also got legit shot (probably not Marvel related) at different points. Noel "Chris" Brown would beat his girl and punched out SmoothViper for shit talking him during a match. SmoothViper in general would talk too much shit for most modern post-thuggery babies to handle. Triforce was a fucking scammer/stole money from EMP players/wannabe cult leader.

Thuggery was part and parcel with the FGC until corporate money started really flowing in around the time of SF5.

Imagine going back and telling your 2014 self that just got finished watching Viscant tell LTG to suck his cock that it was all downhill from there.

>>714926054
there's no regional pricing so the latinos aren't playing those games either, kof 02 and 98 are still thriving on fightcade. COTW and 15 are for the chinese/koreans

>>714943410
>ad hominem fallacy
How about you try to attack the actual arguments and not the person behind them? Everything he wrote in that article is true. The hard pill to swallow is that there's no way to have a really fast-paced online fighting game and what >>714939747 said is true. All rollback does is trick your mind into thinking that the game runs better than it does. I can only really enjoy playing people from the same region with decent connections and that's true both in delay- and rollback-based games.

>>714943040
Like I said before, modern SNK games are really bad about this and basically embody everything wrong with modern fighting game design. CotW is just the culmination of this and people are too reluctant to call it like it is for fear of some fag on reddit or /v/ claiming they're filtered. It's a legitimately stupid game based around every dumb piece of gimmickry in modern fighting games and involves labbing to be able to even approach the game. The game got solved and turned into a meta fest with four viable characters within a week and a few characters are virtually unplayable because they lack any of the meta tools (neutral skips, damage, etc.) needed to do anything. You can play Project Justice with Chairperson and be viable, it just requires a lot more work. You can't be viable with Mai in CotW or Manon in SF6.

>>714944153
>How about you try to attack the actual arguments
I thought I did

>easier to cheat
So don't play cheaters
>handles terrible connections worse
Thirdie problems. Block people with shitty connections.
>trying to react feels better on delay
Actually insane

>>714944208
>or Manon in SF6
>idom qualified into capcom cup with her

>>714943654
all those misbehaving fighting game players? they all share a similar characteristic..

>>714944701
>So don't play cheaters
you missed the point where he says that it's much harder to detect when someone is lag-switching in the first place with rollback-based netcode because the game doesn't show you lag spikes like it does with delay-based netcode
>Thirdie problems. Block people with shitty connections.
again, rollback obscures the actual connection quality from you unless it's really terrible
>Actually insane
it's not. you cannot think logically. your assumption with rollback netcode is that the startup frames that it skips don't actually communicate information because the animation change is too subtle to notice, but it can just as easily be the other way with fast attacks, which is what's being described in that article. i.e. meaningful startup frames get skipped, which leaves you with less time to react than in delay-based netcode. this is due to the fact that blocking has 0 startup frames.

>>714945797
>you missed the point where he says that it's much harder to detect when someone is lag-switching in the first place with rollback-based netcode because the game doesn't show you lag spikes like it does with delay-based netcode
It's retarded to destroy the entire game because it might make cheaters 10% easier to detect.
>again, rollback obscures the actual connection quality from you unless it's really terrible
If the guy with the worse connection has a worse experience then that's deserved. If the guy with a better connection has a worse experience then it should be easy to identify the shitters who need to be blocked.
>leaves you with less time to react than in delay-based netcode.
It literally doesn't, it's exactly the same. The difference is that in delay you still *think* you have time to react but then your dp doesn't come out until ten frames after you input it and you get hit anyway.

>>714945693
Yes, because white kids were playing FPS and RTS games. The reason the fgc is very non-white was because it was cheaper for poor/working class asians, tyrones and pablos to to get some cash and play Street Fighter or Marvel and Dreamcast and PS2 were also cheaper. No shit you get a bunch of dudes who grow up in the hood and it's rowdier than Kyle and Trevor playing Quake at a time where beimg able to do that required you to be comfortably upper-middle class.

>>714916679 (OP)
SF6 is okay. Arguably the best it's ever been actually.

Tekken 8 is currently in full dumpster fire mode though.

>>714938618
This doesn't happen in SF6. Your first placement matches are against CPUs and then you will face players of your skill level. The ranking system has inflation issues, but overall it's great at finding you appropriate players.

>>714942394
>and i don't have it

Why not? Weren't into fighting games at the time, didn't have a switch, etc?

>it's 8 years old
People still play MVC3, SF2, etc, and as I said, Pokken is surprisingly active. That being said, if you don't already own it and don't have the time to kill learning the game, I don't blame you for not being interested

>>714946704
He said he plays it so obviously he wouldn't lie on the internet.

I'm genuinely baffled by anyone who thinks Street Fighter 6 is a good game. What are they even looking at? Are we even talking about the same game?
How can someone type in good faith such blatant lie.
Is it ignorance or malice?

>>714947064
It's flawed but good

We need more smoking hot Gender X/Queers in street fighter honestly. I mean, Marisa is a good start, but 1 or 2 isn't enough and neither of them are a person of color either. :/

Why pander only halfway, it looks silly.

>>714947064
It's the only good fighting game out right now. If you want to compare standalone though then it's average. Not bad, but not great either.

>>714947193
Yeah I guess Jamie is gay but he's presenting as a man and that's just way too boring and safe. Specially for an asian who has a culture that already accepts this sort of freedom.

>>714947140
>>714947196
Its not a good game, its popular.

>>714947064
Because they play it?

>>714947309
t's both

Is Tekken better? At least in Tekken there’s skill difference based on who memorized more frame data

>>714947394
Why the fuck do nonplayers go on about frame data so much?

>>714947394
Frame data and knowledge checks exist in all fighting games. Objective comparisons between SF6 and Tekken 8 are near impossible because they're fundamentally very different games, but Tekken is currently at a situation where the devs utterly fucked the game up with an update and now have to constantly patch the game to unfuck their fuck up before they can even address issues the game has had since launch, while SF6 devs are very slow in addressing the issues people have with the game.

>>714947064
I have my issues with the game, but I like it. It doesn't need 6 years of fixing like SFV did.

>>714920145
>Street Fighter 6 is designed for people who orbited fighting games but never really played. They made it a total baby game with no skill and removed all legacy skill, but at the same time pretended nothing happened so the people who like this game think they're playing a legit hardcore fighting game. I don't know any other game to draw parallels to.

/thread

Also zoomers are fucktards

>>714947064
There is no choice for FG faggots. They either play SF6 which sucks, but least has some playerbase thanks to the brand or they play nothing, because all other FGs also killed themselves and are horrid currently.

>>714947441
the instance their opponent tells them he's plus 2 frames after that attack, they can't compute fighting games anymore. That one move is another attack to memorize and learn, it's too much for their feeble little mind.

>>714947064
I don't love it, but compared to the other modern fighters it's the best one atm. Haven't played Gran Blue tho.

>>714929679
it would be strong and forward

>>714947064
It's stupidity. So yeah basically malice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoReVkF-UZ0

>>714947064
What fighting game you like?

>>714947832
>It doesn't need 6 years of fixing like SFV did.
Right. Because it is literally never getting fixed.
All the abhorrent slime shit, the throw loops, the volatility, all there by design and working exactly as intended.

I think Tekken 8 is fun

Why do people here make such a big deal out of throw loops?
I can count on one hand how many times I've exerpeinced them.

>>714948485
you are right, shitty combos, horrible mechanics, buffer system, big damage are worse than throwloops.

>>714940752
>Labbing autistically is a better way to improve at them than actually playing
this is false. your muscle memory in training mode will usually not perfectly carry over to actual matches. You have to actually try things in matches (and fail and get killed for it) over and over again until it actually sticks.

>>714948537
Nah I think those are cool.

>>714948325
SFV had throw loops too. It also had 8f input delay, jab AA, crush counter in a game with priority normals, locking moves behind v-trigger, which had absolute insane come back potential. On top of that, abhorrent netcode. Decent OST and good training mode though. The game even managed to launch without local P2 option for rematch/change character.

>>714948647
Dogshit eater

>>714948665
Says the one upset on 4tran

>>714948485
I think SF6 is mostly fine (the roster is pretty bad) but throw loops are gay and they're a big part of the gameplan and decision making even at a relatively low level.

>>714948732
see>>714948230

You are stupid, emotional, irrationial. You are a dogshit eater, possibly black.

>>714916679 (OP)

I just wanted the Street Fighter game to get beaten by Tekken. But the Tekken gamers can go die.

>>714947394
>Retard with zero knowledge of fighters considering more frame data to remember = more skill
Tekken 8 is the easiest and most braindead game out right now next to granblue.

>>714948776
>calls me emotional
>is seething

>>714948838
Tekken is probably more appealing to casuals because it's easier to mash and make stuff happen BUT its character designs are generally far worse than anything but the dregs of SF (Rufus etc) and that stuff matters a lot when attracting people to play your game.

>>714948910
Why?

>>714948910
He's a 16er. There's no cure for it.

>>714948649
>SFV had throw loops too
Had.
They got removed.
Capcom has been abundantly clear that it will not happen in 6
>It also had 8f input delay
Which also got fixed
>crush counter in a game with priority normals
How is this bad?
>locking moves behind v-trigger,
This was objectively bad, yes.
>which had absolute insane come back potential.
People keep parroting this and then go and defend universal mechanics in 6 that also have the same comeback potential, are available literally the instant the match starts, and recharge automatically.
>abhorrent netcode
This was also objectively bad, not going to defend it.
>Decent OST
Yeah, previous SF games had better soundtracks so saying SFV had only decent music is accurate. Certainly better than the royalty-free music they used for 6
>The game even managed to launch without local P2 option for rematch/change character.
I never played it locally but this is a serious problem, yes.
Long story short, SFV launched in a bad state because Capcom is retarded but it got fixed as early as Season 2. Meanwhile with SF6 what you see is what you get; all the shit aspects of the game are actually the main reason it became successful in the first place so they are never getting fixed. SF6 will end up having a shitty roster with a bunch of duds and significantly less characters than SFV. Also somewhat superficial but SFV had a lot of great costumes.

>>714949247
I'm not going to deny that SF6 has issues, but no, they are likely not going to change because they are on a skeleton crew. SFV had lots of good costumes, but also horrible ones. All the cross-over costumes (Megaman, Monster Hunter, etc.) were obnoxious. That Gill pyro one too. Still, I rather play SF6 today than SFV on its last day. I absolutely loathed the netcode and the entire v-trigger system.

SF6 would be fixed if they either removed DR cancel from lows or had DR make you be in a PC state.

>>714949247
>>locking moves behind v-trigger,
>This was objectively bad, yes.
Nothing wrong with installs, but making them a reward for getting your ass kicked was retarded.

>>714948485
see
>>714928961

>>714949959
Oh wow footage from a tournament that I didn't participate in.

>>714950060
Is bragging about how much you suck supposed to make me care more about your opinion?

>>714950142
Yeah, you act like it's a big deal because of tournament footage instead of the typical player experience.

>>714950209
Why should anyone listen to players too incompetent to use something as braindead as throw loops? Just go pick modern and spam your one-button dps and let the adults talk.

FUCK ED
FUCK BISON
FUCK RASHID
AND FUCK TERRY'S NORMALS

That is all.

>>714950404
Because they play the game? Something which is beyond your comprehension.

>>714950209
?? what is the typical player experience? the fags that buy the game and drop it after the first month, or the people that actually play the game? do you think throw loops are exclusively happening in tournaments? why is everyone in this thread a fucking moron

>>714950685
>the only people that exist are people who play high level tournaments and people who don't play

>>714950685
You gotta understand hes more than likely below master, therefore he hasnt faced what this game actually looks like yet.
Hes probably more worried about people jumping or being unable to react to DI.

>>714949913
I think what that guy was complaining about is how some characters got some of their usual moves removed from their regular tool set and were only available during V-Trigger.
The worst victim of that was Karin; Karin without rekkas was kind of retarded.
Installs that give you -extra- shit instead of just returning your usual moves are good.

>>714950756
see, I fucking called it.
>duh, its not happening to ME (yet), therefore its not a real problem!
shut the fuck up, you dont know this game

>>714950847
So the only people that play are the tippity toppest pros playing optimally 100% of the time?

>>714950938
shut the fuck up
everyone in master rank has faced this shit, but you wouldnt know it

>>714950685
Never talk about fighting games on /v/ its full of complete retards. The typical /v/irgin's identity revolves around acting like they know what they're talking about but being, in reality, an incompetent failure. This is generally true for all kinds of video games but the nature of FGs makes it way harder for them to fake it and look cool on the internet.

>>714950960
And? I never said it doesn't happen. Just it's not as prevalent as people here want to pretend it is.
Maybe you should try playing for yourself and experience the game.

>>714931129
SF5 is an immensely better game than SF6. You at least didn't play every character the same.

>>714951014
You're responding to a person who has to rely only on tournament footage to make their opinion on the game instead of playing it.

>>714951041
>he thinks i havent played it
dogshit game
kys
i will not elaborate further, youre either being purposefully obtuse or straight up retarded

>>714951124
>I totes play it
>only opinions are from tournament footage

>>714951041
NTA but your opinion does not matter and anyone who actually plays the game will immediately clock you as a faggot. I guess you think you're making good points or somethin but I want you to know that anyone who plays this game would see your posts and instantly see that you are a complete know-nothing dumbass fuckup

>>714951098
Don't reply to me thanks.

>>714950960
Master rank is like top 5% of players. Why should we forget about the remaining 95% and measure the value of the game through the lens of a minority? This a thing I despise about the FGC. No one's opinions matter unless they're incredibly good at the game.

>>714951182
>>714951227
Why do nonplayers get so mad their opinions aren't valid?

>>714951284
Master rank is over 10% of active ranked players

>>714951316
That's still the minority.

>>714951284
Master rank in SF6 is not "incredibly good at the game" its a test of basic competency, basically the tutorial

>>714951287
Post your CFN profile

>>714951350
why should we even take into account the opinion of people who havent even completed the tutorial, are you fucking dense or what

>>714951452
So we're back to saying that you either are the best at the game all the time or don't play?

>>714951350
It's a much larger minority than what you portrayed it as. Also, how does nerfing throw loops impact low level gameplay if it is supposedly rare there? Nerfing it would benefit the top players, while it would be irrelevant for the majority of players, making it a net positive.

>>714951507
So you acknowledge that it's not as prevalent as your doomposting tried to make out?
Glad you finally admitted it.

Imma picking a secondary main to play in +R
odds i play Sol
Evens i play Order sol

>>714951569
It is prevalent at the level where balancing matters the most.

>>714951640
Based

>>714951642
The average player? I agree.

>>714951640
Damn bro time to learn ABA

>>714951702
So you admit it is prevalent then?

>>714951367
>>714951452
>the tutorial
lol
only in this genre would anyone claim that reaching the highest rank group in the game is passing "the tutorial"

>>714951507
you're not nerfing throw loops in a vacuum. realistically, the way you nerf it might have repercussions on all levels of play during other different situations. just because lower ranks don't see throw loops doesn't mean the nerf wouldn't affect them.

>>714951702
the average player doesnt know how to play the game so balance means fuck shit to them, jesus christ you have to be the most retarded idiot ive talked with, and theres plenty of idiots in every fightan thread

>>714951751
Master rank is not your average SF6 player.

>>714951882
Pretty sure the average player does otherwise they wouldn't be playing it.

Throw loops wouldn't be so much of a problem if it wasn't that you can get clipped by a low into DR into crazy wall carry. It's the main issue, how easy it is to get carried to the corner. Maybe the screen should be 20% longer.

>>714916679 (OP)
modern fighting games are on life support, and the reason is the community's reaction/response to smash bros.
That's the tl;dr version, but to elaborate a bit further, it's because it's a thoroughly stale genre. SF2 set a template over 30 fucking years ago, and besides a shift into 3D with games like Tekken, very little has actually changed. The rules on what a fighting game has to be are overly strict, and the community is super defensive about changing anything. So when Smash Bros came along and presented an entirely new type of fighting game, the FGC refused to even accept it as a fighting game.
>NUH UH IT HAS TO BE 1VS1 ON A FLAT SURFACE AND HEALTH BARS AND etc etc etc etc
If the FGC had actually embraced Smash as an example of how to approach fighting games differently, the genre would be far more interesting and diverse than it is now.
You can only do the SF/Tekken model so many times before it gets old, tired and stale. There's no innovation in the genre at all, it's depressing.
I mean think about the term itself, "Fighting game" - A game in which you fight an opponent in unarmed combat, there are so many different ways that could be realised! Instead they've been churning out the same game with a shiny new coat of paint for decades, and you lot have disappeared so far up its ass you consider something like "switching up neutral" as a massive change.

>>714951940
mashing buttons is not knowing how to play the game

I hope you guys are all master rank, after all you wouldn't want to be saying anything about the game at all.

>>714951836
It's true. Master in SF6 is like the equivalent to Platinum in SF5. They made it easier to get there so bad players would feel good about themselves, keep playing, and pay for DLC. I notice you still haven't posted your CFN.

>>714951992
>on life support
>more popular than ever
What's with people here just confidently saying shit

>>714952006
The average player isn't mashing though. Maybe if you tried playing it instead of only watching hand picked tournament footage, you'd know this.

>>714951992
why do people who clearly dont play fgs have such strong opinions about shit they dont know about

>>714952019
Master rank can be reached with a sub 40% winrate, it's really not a significant achievement
>t. Ed and Marisa master rank

>>714952173
So then it's meaningless? Why do people who don't play hold it in such high regard?

>>714952345
And to think you can't break throws.

>>714952306
It doesn't make one the arbiter of truth, but it gives their opinions more validity than someone who can't even reach master rank.

>>714952431
So a person who loses all the time is considered knowledgeable? Maybe they should try winning before forming an opinion.

>>714952403
Because throws are non-reactable and happen frame 1, you have to predict them, and if you guess wrong you get blown up for 70% life.
The game’s offensive structure is just bad. This is the most powerful strike throw I have ever seen in any game and it just paves over character specific options. It sucks

>>714952403
I don't know what you're talking about, and I don't think you know either.

>>714952403
You can look up your successful throw break % on CFN. Show us yours!

>>714952490
>>714952515
>>714952559
>>714952581
So the supposed masters of the game don't even know how to play? No wonder you think the average player doesn't.

>>714952627
Why don't you tell us how to play then? Or do you wanna FT10 and just show me?

>>714952670
You can press light punch and kick (jab and short for the autistic poser) when they throw you to break it.

>>714952753
Hmm that sounds pretty complicated. I think we should play so i can see it in action.

>>714952559
me when i mash df2 while minus

>>714951992
Besides Smash, platform fighters don't do all that well either, Arena fighters also exist and no one cares about playing them competitively. Then there's the issue that people enjoy whart they enjoy, why would anyone embrace the Smash formula or whatever if they don't enjoy it, to play something that's more popular? Fortnite is right there for anyone who cares about that.

>>714930456
that's why beat em ups exist anon

>>714951640
Imma playing HOS then

>>714952790
No wonder you're so bad, don't even know how to play.

>bro just tech the throw
This tells me you're either baiting for (You)s or fundamentally do not understand the throw Oki situation.

>>714952925
So you're ducking then? Too scared to show off your skills?

>>714952996
>>714953001
It's not hard to press two buttons. Dunno how you managed to even type.

>>714953054
You won't post your CFN, you won't run the set, and you're spewing retarded scrub bullshit. I bet you definitely know what youre talking about

stop giving the retard (You)s

>>714953103
>>714953141
>calls others a retard
>can't press 2 buttons

youre trying too hard, anon

>>714953225
Unlike you who can't play.

>this is what dix defenders are reduced to
lmao even soive is better than dix. so is grubble and flop of the wolves. only t8 is as bad and at least kekken fags actually complained that their game played like shit instead of gobbling capcoms cock

>>714953324
What fighting games do you play?

>>714951992
>>714952859
See >>714941309

Pokken tried something innovative and did okay, though the FGC at large paid it disproportionately little attention. It wasn't a complete outsider like Smash was, in that at least most Pokken players also were in the FGC and played SF, Tekken, Marvel, MK etc, wheras Smash is entirely it's own bubble more or less, but it still was kinda viewed as an outsider to the broader FGC

Which does tie into your point, though I think it's partially the fault of The Pokemon Company for marketing it as a casual arena fighter when it's really mostly a proper traditional fighting game with a few really esoteric experimental mechanics

>>714953374
+R and Third Strike on fightcade are my favorite games but I have all of those games owned and some of them installed except Tekken 8 cause I saw the writing on the wall with that piece of shit before it came out lol.

Reject modernity, embrace tradition.

>>714953712
Oh nice, poser games.

>>714953813
Sorry I think Dix is boring as shit anon. You can still pretend its good though.

>>714953807
You may not like it, but this is what real Street Fighter looks like

>>714953847
Says the one pretending to play at all. Surprised you didn't mention xturd too.

I dunno why you would even bother I knew to write this dumbass board off as soon as I saw people praising and doing that revisionism shit with sfv as soon as sf6 came out.

>>714953950
>muh revisionism...
You fuck right off with this shit.
I always liked SFV, plenty of people did.

>>714953879
That anon is right though, Strive and Grub are better than SF6. They have a lot of their own flaws but they're better than SF6.

>>714952859
It's not about "The Smash formula" or even platform/arena fighters, it's about innovation.
>>714953590
This is kinda my point, the FGC is at fault - Pokken is just another example of a game that tried to do things a bit differently and the FGC shunned it for daring to not stick to a ludicrously rigid set of rules.
Just think about how similar fighting games are, REALLY are - to anyone outside they all look fucking identical. Side-to-side, health bars at top etc etc...

>>714954208
>change is always good
Okay tranny

>>714953950
In Jivers' defense, V was salvaged throughout the years so I can understand that late adopters the people who stuck with it have fond memories of it, but the revisionism over it's abysmal launch is infuriating.

>>714954205
If they're so good why do you fags complain about them 24/7?

>>714916679 (OP)
>are they really in as bad of a state as the players say
Yes.

>>714954208
As I said, while I think that is partially the case, it's also on TPCI for marketing it how they did

The game requiring two consoles, copies of the game, monitors/TV's, LAN adapters, etc for each setup also made it hard to run events, and there's like a dozen other boneheaded choices TPCI made in how they supported the game postlaunch which hindered it's ability to get eyes or for majors to have it in their lineup

>>714932223
>>714932587
>2d plane
>great music
>realistic look
>no rage arts, drive rushes, xrays, cutscene attacks
>lots of costumes and or create an outfit (surprisingly create a fighter kills it instantly)
>story mode and arcade that unlocks stuff for characters
>hot girls and buff guys
>a ninja, cyborg, and demon in it
>none or little micro transactions
>>easy combos and special moves, but fuckload of them and no short cuts

>>714954329
>why does /v/ complain about *game*
Like asking why water is wet there anon

>>714954313
This. I was there in 2016 and while I really don't like SF6 either it launched a way better game than V did.
Genuinely dogshit. Drives me fucking nuts to see people actually think Ono didn't deserve to get fired.

>>714954785
The retarded payment model and fact it was an Xbone exclusive killed KI '13. If it was a full price retail game on the PS4 and/or PC from the start it would've been very popular.

>>714953590
The reason Pokken failed is because nobody but Nintendo fans wants anything to do with Nintendo fans and especially not Pokemon fans.

>>714953807
kino footsies

>>714916679 (OP)
yea its bad but not fundamentally different than last gen. Zoomers just grew up.

>>714924352
bro everyone know t7 was a flash in the pan no company would be dumb enough to expect the same levels of success

>>714953807
Imagine how much it would've de-scrubbifed the playerbase over the decades if they kept dps punishable on hit if the opponent was on the ground.

>>714953870
I assume that's WW in which case not quite because Hyper Fighting, the most honest game, exists.

>>714955647
>Hyper Fighting
>what if instead of changing the move animations and frame data to make the game feel faster we just skip a frame once in a while and fuck up the timing for literally everything?

>>714922735
literally the most alive it has been since like SF2. peaking at 30k players daily was unthinkable like 5 years ago

>>714951076
for sure everyone in sfv didn't just dash around whiffing pokes and and ramming medium punches until they unlocked v-robbery

>>714954432
Partly yeah, but you're talking about just one specific game. The FGC response to anything that isn't strictly the exact same template as SF2/Tekken is universal.
>>714954254
Change is often bad, but zero change leads to stagnation. You need innovation, so that the bad can be thrown aside and the good embraced. It's how evolution works. Tekken is basically the same game it has been for the last 25 years, only with better graphics and online play. You might be able to highlight a few minor changes, but when you put it into the context of 25 years and half a dozen entries, it's inexcusable.
In fact, I would wager there has been more change in FIFA and CoD than in Tekken, in the same time-frame.

>>714954937
Launch Dix is a lateral move compared to launch Jive as they're both bad but Dix is clearly not getting improved while Jive did.

>>714916679 (OP)
SF6 is mostly people malding about Drive Rush because they can't be bothered to check which button they should use to counter it.

>>714956409
It's called neutral and spacing. It's what you do in fighting games when there's no "teleport into the other guy's face" mechanic.

>>714956629
>start checking rushes
>they start doing rush supressor, scissor kick, sway, adamant flame etc
you legitimately skip neutral and spawn a mixup out of thin air, it's not healthy and never will be

>>714956260
m8 it's losing to Russian Fishing 4 and is barely above Cookie Clicker.

>>714956409
>m-muh V-robbery...
Dixers are so disingenuous kek
Like the slime shit doesn't allow you to take 70% of your opponent's life on a single guess.

>modern marisa won capcom pro tour
kekkk

>>714916679 (OP)
If you don't even play these games then to you they are fine because you will never even reach the level needed to understand why these modern fighting games are some of the worst ever.

>>714956861
I think you're a bit confused, friend.

>>714956762
>most popular game in the genre jobs to cs...SOURCE
lul and lmao

>>714956709
gawdlike neutral and spacing where you just walk around pressing whatever you want because whiff punishing is pure luck

>>714956862
>slime brained zoomie literally cannot stand a game in which you have to carefully approach your opponent instead of getting in for free
No surprises here

>>714957049
>whiff punishing is pure luck

Send this entire fucking thread to scrubquotes.

>>714957079
whiff punishing in jive

>>714955217
That was a funny moment that resulted in him being questioned for CP at an airport.

>>714926054
>City of the Wolves and KoF 15 aren't any better, they're made for Mexicans who love long combos.
Filtered by Mexicans LMAO.
>>714933412
Basically this guy likes hearing himself talk and types more about whats wrong with things than getting good at games.

>>714957164
Bullshit
Really?

>>714957196
Yes, really.

we're not allowing jive revisionism ITT

>>714956730
It's the same as a jump-in, you're just more conditioned to do anti-airs than checking rushes.

>>714954869
Water can't be wet as to be wet water would need to have water on its surface.

>>714957118
So he reacted too late and ate shit for it, what's your point?

>>714957232
I mean, so he claims.

https://x.com/jwonggg/status/652558665015103488

>>714956861
Proofs?

>>714957254
sure it's the same as a jump-in if every character could devils reverse out the way of my DP for a full punish

>>714957242
Shall we add an sf6 section to that webm?

>>714957286
the "neutral" in SFV is complete ass and defended by no one except for 16ers

>>714957273
Air is partially moisture therefore water that touches the air is wet. Water molecules completely surrounded by other water molecules have those water molecules on their surface, therefore they are also wet.

t. PhD in physics and masters in chemistry

>>714957368
Thanks for proving my point, now adapt instead of pissing, shitting and crying about it.

>>714957484
I am higher MR than you in SF6

>>714957448
Nope as surface of the water would combine with the moisture.

>>714916679 (OP)
My only real problem with fighting games nowadays is how hypercompetitive everything has become. Everything is great besides that. I mean sometimes people are just good at video games; there's no reason to threaten their sense of good sportsmanship simply because they are skilled.

>>714957443
Daigo's neutral in 2020/21 was probably the best anyone has ever played street fighter. You're just too dumb to understand it because reaction-sweeping medium pokes or hit confirming off single lights doesn't trigger any ink effects.

>>714957521
Doubt it.

>>714957484
>>714956709
The best players in the world with reactions you couldn't achieve with a pound of meth are 50/50 at it on a good day.

>>714957484
OR, I can just not play this shitty game.
Why the fuck would I willingly "adapt" to a game that is a fucking parody of Street Fighter when I can simply play Street Fighter instead?

>>714957242
Does Rog not have his sweep in V or something why the fuck is he letting Birdie press

>>714957640
MR?

>>714957290
>I mean, so he claims.
>https://x.com/jwonggg/status/652558665015103488

Brilliant. Thanks for finding it. I now have a date to go with the image now.

>>714957651
People don't also anti-air every jump-in.

Just wanna say that guy from 7 hours ago talking about how training mode should be removed and games are being made for more autistic individuals when it is literally the opposite is a complete retard. What fucking dozen of systems was that dumbass talking about? Shit as simple as strive rc, push block and instant block? Shit as braindead monkey easy to understand as Tekken heat and rage? Is this dumbass calling the drive system something difficult for newcomers to understand?

>>714957686
You made the claim so you get to post yours first.

>>714957749
I'm like 90% sure that's the same retard who was shitting up the last fighting games thread here as well. Same idiotic arguments.

>>714957669
Sure, you can also do that. Just stop pissing, shitting and crying about it.

>>714957531
Sorry youre wrong little zoom zoom. The surface of water is water therefore it has water on its surface.

t. Discovered water

>>714957676
Because Smug plays like a troll even in tournaments.

>>714957749
It seems to be difficult for most "veterans" to understand so I don't blame them.

>>714957781
currently 1850

>>714957729
If it was impossible to antiair consistently then Guile and Sagat would've been deleted from the franchise after SF2 because they were impossible to use effectively.

>>714957834
You are the one sperging out at people who point out how shitty and retarded the mechanics are in SF6 zoomie, not me.

>>714957868
with the greatest of ease

>>714957906
>No screenshot or link
Nice LARP.

>>714957749
t. lab faggot who'd get his ass stomped in Hyper Fighting

>>714957946
Exactly, just like it's not impossible to stuff drive rush consistently, now you're getting it.
>>714957970
Telling people to adapt instead of staying bad isn't sperging. Endlessly complaining about Drive Rush on the other hand is.

>>714957836
The surface is a two phase interaction.

>>714958081
alright, you caught me. i lied.

>>714958292
Clearly can't trust a word you have to say.

What does /v/ think of the current FGs lobby system compared to a decade?

>>714957896
Even if that idiot I'm talking about was a
>veteran
like you say that's even more confusing because both actual veterans and literal 15 year olds or younger are capable of understanding these basic ass systems and these games only have like 4-8 max. Is it brain deterioration? Does a single extra meter or ability cause pain at the mere sight of them?

>>714958213
>it's not impossible to stuff drive rush consistently
Funny how no one does though. Other than anon retards who refuse to post their CFN.

>>714958379
say what you like about SF6 gameplay but it genuinely has the best ranking system in fighting game history and every game needs to copy it going forward

>>714958213
Sure, whatever helps you cope.

>>714958381
It's people being butthurt about the new game being something new as opposed to the game they already supposedly enjoy so much that they'd rather spend their time complaining than playing the old game they like.

>>714958439
no sf6 has rank bloat problem

>>714958420
No one else has posted their CFN and I'm not about to start.

>>714958379
I want smack Mori in the fucking face for making the shitty 3d chibi lobbies that infest anime fighters and I still prefer strive's to the other arcsys ones for the simple fact that it discourages idling and rping. Still shit but atleast it's not Xrd's or granblue's.

>>714958545
No one else is claiming it's trivial to do something the best players on the planet can't do reliably.

>>714958439
It's a bit too inflated for my taste and I think it could use with season resets, but otherwise it's fine. I'm constantly getting good games in Diamond, so I'm satisfied with that.

>>714958504
Bronze through Diamond are the tutorial to keep new players engaged and then MR is when the actual ranking starts. People at the top of the MR rankings are actually some of the best players in the world, rather than say SFV where the highest rank players were Warlords like Trashbox and BrianF who just grinded stomping diamonds more than anyone else.

The only issue SF6 has is regional inflation where Japanese players sit a bit higher than everyone else due to MR bloat from being the most popular region

>>714958620
>shitty 3d chibi lobbies that infest anime fighters
Agreed, it takes too much time for me to find a game in e.g. BBCF hence for these shit lobby systems

>>714958620
Shut up chibis are cute unlike strives stick rpg flash game tier avatars

>>714916679 (OP)
mostly overblown, especially with SF6 where peoples biggest """""ISSUES""""" is that Capcom isn't scamming them enough with overpriced dlc skins and some, and I do mean some Pros complaining about throwloops at the highest sweatest level.

Tekken 8 is more valid, it is a mess, still fun casually but its a mess overall, granted tekken games tends to be a fucking mess with balancing.
The rest of the genre is fine, people don't talk enough about GBVSR honestly.

>>714958639
Never said it was trivial, just that it needed practice.

>>714916679 (OP)
They do suck ass, they are trying desperately to appeal to casuals and it's kind of working.

>>714959476
Not a single pro will defend throw loops

>>714958379
the fact that Riot looked at this and said "yes this is fine" and copied it for project L is like reason #35412 why it will horribly fail

>>714959292
I DON'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT LOBBIES BEING CUTE OR NOT I WANT TO PLAY THE GAME AND THIS SHIT INTRODUCES THE BREED OF PEOPLE THAT WILLINGLY WOULD GO ON SHIT LIKE BBTAG OR GRANBLUE TO SPECIFICALLY NOT PLAY. BBTAG WAS SHIT AND DESERVED IT AND RISING IS JUST DREADFULLY BORING BUT I'D PREFER IT TO JUST NOT FUCKING EXIST IN ANY ARCSYS GAME AND BE REPLACED BY THE KIND OF MENU LOBBIES LIKE +R OR TEKKEN.

>>714924695
Woah, Daigo is washed up

>>714959625
Sajam

>>714958724
I'd say Diamond is where the real rank starts because theres a lot of master players that have their other characters they've yet to get to master there.

>>714959560
Someone should tell Punk to practice more then.

>>714959807
he is not a pro.

>>714916679 (OP)
TL;DR Both are shit to the core mechanically and probably no patch can fix them. We are in th age of slop fighters. SF6 is doing good thanks to good marketing, and Tekken is dying

Tekken is dying hard because it missed the opportunity to set up a tournament during the game's release, the tournament prizes are small compared to SF so most streamers wouldnt touch it, devs made huge mistakes with the game's balance, and released fuckcumrah, a character nobody was looking forward to see.

Street Fighter on the other hand, while the gameplay sucks, it offers a very polished experience with good netcode upon release, the extensive learning tools, the modern controls, and the battlehub. Capcom did everything right when it comes to marketing. The switch port brought more players to the pool, and the tournament prizes are huge enough that have the full attention of every big fighting game streamer. Having streamers playing your game is the modern way to keep your game alive a thriving.
When it comes to patches, Capcom wont touch the formula that much, because the SF6 formula was designed with forced 50/50s in mind, so that noobs can have a chance against pros. This is supposed to be spectacular on paper, but it sucks. I dont think they will do drastic changes to the gameplay formula. At best, they might get rid of throw loops but thats it

>>714959830
Punk is a bitch so it couldn't hurt.
Main point is telling (You) to practice instead of posting clips of others failing as an excuse not to.

>>714956484
>You need innovation, so that the bad can be thrown aside and the good embraced.
Or maybe stuff has been tried over the last 30-something years and the SF2 formula is what works for people who would play these kind of games competitively.
> Tekken is basically the same game it has been for the last 25 years, only with better graphics and online play. You might be able to highlight a few minor changes, but when you put it into the context of 25 years and half a dozen entries, it's inexcusable.
If that's what people who want to play Tekken like why change it? There are other games for those who don't want what that series offers.

>>714959961
You think I own this turd?

>>714959887
He is very much a professional
A professional shill

>>714960006
>doesn't even play the game he is malding over
Checks out, I bet even the games you do own and supposedly enjoy you barely even play.

>>714960186
Why the FUCK would anyone pay money for a game they hate, you idiot?

Getting your drive rush check counter-checked by a rush special move or sway move is not the same as not being ready for a jump-in. What are we talking about ITT

>doesn't own game
>has never actually played the game
>has decided the game is bad
>why?
>just because
yup the typical mentally ill neet sitting in his moms basement

>>714960186
Hate-watching it is far more than enough pain for one person to endure, tyvm.

>>714960271 see below
>>714960318

>>714960394
>520 posts of arguments and clips is "just because"
>maybe if I call him names he'll go away
yawn

SHOBU JA!

>>714960435
You're not making any arguments, just parroting ones you've heard.

>>714960376
>"Hate-watching" a game instead of playing something
Sure is /v/ in here.

The games are getting simpler while being bloated with more pointless mechanics that increase randomness, making it harder to win with skill. That's not a contradiction.
Its like how in the board game Go, the only rules really are that you have to place stones on intersections, you can capture stones that run out of liberties, and you can't repeat a gamestate.That would be street fighter 2. Everything else like eyes, territory, influence, what a good and bad move is, is a technique or second level concept. modern fighting games are taking all the second level concepts and turning them into mechanics where you turn a random color and don't let you do anything else that isn't already a mechanic. New players have to learn all these mickey simon says mechanics that hard counter each other while good players are forced to guess and interact with these anti skill systems.

>>714960435
bitch you've not made any arguments, you've just bitched about a game you don't even play, go out and get a job.

Remedial yolo bums
I'm cutting the game off its a waste of time
You see me cut on 4 and lose 0 matches yet in 6 any scrub can random me out

>>714960545
>The games are getting simpler while being bloated with more pointless mechanics that increase randomness, making it harder to win with skill. That's not a contradiction
people have been saying this since fucking Super Turbo, it means nothing.

>>714960605
Alright man you can choose to ignore reality because people have cried wolf before, or you can consider each case and see for yourself if the game is good or not.

SF6 takes so much out that a new player wouldn't really be able to tell just how bad it is, its precisely designed for those people to feel good. Yes SF5 was like that too, but you're intentionally ignoring the degree of severity because for some reason you don't want SF6 to be seen as a mickey casino game. Older SF games have flaws and they're mainly flaws that developed from players exploring the game and breaking it, not capcom intentionally making it flaws. Nothing in street fighter 6 is emergent or even discovered by players, its 100% pre planned by capcom.

>>714960546
I don't need to say a word, I just need to keep posting hilarious clips of the best players in the world showcasing everything retarded about this game.

The closest thing to a non-ironic good clip in SF6 history is that one time Mena made a read and air grabbed Akira.

>>714960870
Bros why didn't he just check the drive rush?

>>714960870
check this out

>>714960992
This is AI

>>714960992
https://youtu.be/Caogoj_UDig?si=Oiq70_WaGS4qQfgH&t=202

>ten seconds of actual unironic neutral
>gief finally says "FUCK THIS" and turns green
lol

Also why did you clip off the part where he dropped that combo and immediately started mashing dp?

>>714961281
>Also why did you clip off the part where he dropped that combo and immediately started mashing dp?
because it doesn't look as good and we're agendaposting here obviously?

>>714916679 (OP)
It's way worse.

It's kind of shocking how the FGC just sort of pretends thatTekken 8 and Street Fighter 6 aren't huge disappointments that no one wants to play.

>>714961436
SF6 is the most successful fighting game in like 20 years

>>714960870
>I don't need to say a word
so you admit you're not making arguments and a best are just bitching about games you've never played.
maybe try and go outside instead.

>>714961436
SF6 is fun for casuals as their first game, I don't know about tekken 8.

>>714919917
he protecc

>>714961613
It's all been said already m8, no need to post all the same walls of text people have been posting for years. You either see it or you intentionally delude yourself. The only defense anyone in this entire thread has offered for this shit is "scrubs like it".

>>714961550
SF6 isn't even the most successful fighting game right now.

Hell, it's not even the most successful fighting game right now with Ryu in it.

>>714959996
Your response is precisely why the FGC is beyond help, you're actually more stuck in the past than the retro crowd and you can't understand why your entire genre is effectively dead

>>714962160
what are you smoking lad

>>714962514
we're talking about fighting games and the FGC here

>>714962171
>change the genre so other people like it
>genre is now popular but I don't like it
OK, not sure how that would be an improvement for me. Also no one is stopping anyone from starting a competitive Arena Fighter, Nidhogg, or whatever scene, not sure why people think is the FGCs responsibility to bring those ganes in if they don't like them all that much.

Jesus christ old fighting games were better.

>>714962562
cope

>>714916679 (OP)
Literally every single character in Tekken 8 is a stance character now.
>what does that mean?
There are different types of characters. Now all characters are of the same type.

>>714962656
smash is not a part of the FGC. and even if it were: SF6 has had multiple tournaments with like double the entrants of the biggest ultimate tournament of all time

Can we have a good DOA now

>>714962847
>SF6 good because it caters to non-competitive players
>Smash bad because it caters to non-competitive players

>>714962894
who are you quoting?

>>714962563
Not change the genre
expand the genre
the FGC are too autistic to accept anything that doesn't adhere to very strict criteria and it's killed everything you say you love