I don't get it. Which of these is supposed to be the good ending.

Gonna give you three guesses, and the first two don't count.

Uninstall.exe

There are no good endings in the real world.
Just look at the epstien files situation.

>>714931380 (OP)
The one you got on your first playthrough (ranni)

Four are neutral and left to interpretation, but two (poo poo eater ending and frenzy ending) are obviously bad.

>genuinely good for the inhabitants of the world
Ranni
Godwyn
>can fix some issues but limited ability to fix more
Goldmask
Normal
>just fuck everyone's shit up for no good reason
Dung Eater
Frenzy

Ranni is the only hope for even a chance at breaking the status quo in a positive direction.
>inb4 she's evil
Touch grass.

>>714931567
JFK set one hell of a precedent for not disclosing on such high profile death while people involved are still alive

>>714931380 (OP)
the caca poopoo ending of course

>>714931380 (OP)
>fracture
Default neutral ending. Back to just before Marika shattered the Elden Ring, with nothing changed but the Fingers and all that are pushed to the wayside.
>order
Strips the human gods of their individuality and agency and turns them into cogs in the celestial machine. They act as agents rather than as personalities.
>death
Welfare for the deathless. Bringing them into the system and starting the embracing of Godwyn's transformation of the world
>defilement
Cursing everyone to become some kind of wraith-like suffering being. Their souls might even be destroyed upon death.
>stars
Leaving the world and taking the Ring with you so that no one can do anything about it, but you don't actually run the world, trying to remove as much divine influence as is possible
>frenzy
Sucking everything into the frenzied flame and chilling together in insanity-flavored Tang

The Age of Order is my personal favorite.
The Fracture ending just puts a new boss in the same place the old one fucked up in.
Those freaky skeleton bastards are not the the future of the world, imo.
The Dung Eater ending is just edgelordism.
The Ranni ending hands the world over to all the other space gods that are trying to take over.
The Frenzy ending is less comfy than it sounds.

>>714931380 (OP)
The normal one is redpilled desu, rest suck for (you)
>m-muh doll pussy
Simp
>m-muh gods need to be held accountable because... (they just do okay)
Not when I'm about to become one
>buy muh onlyfans feet picks
How about no, you rotten whore
>life is le hard I suffered so everything should be destroyed
No, infact you deserved it and more genocides will follow
>eat ze poopoo
Fuck off

Figured I would ask here since it's a fromsoft thread. I'm replaying the entire soulsborne series. Just finished DS1 with a pure str build. Would the builds be advisable with pure sorc for DS2 (never played a sorcerer), quality for DS3, arcane for BB? The goal is to experience varied builds that are especially fun in that particular game. Strength in DS1 felt like a very good choice. If I were to go half magic in DS3, what type of spells are fun?

>>714932973
Arcane is not all that fun in BB unless you like farming for consumables.
Bloodtinge will get you the most uniquely 'Bloodborne' experience.

There's no reason not to fix the Elden Ring under Goldmask's ending. Reminder that Marika's rule was a golden age only stopped by Marika herself. With Marika put on a leash there's nothing preventing another golden age

>>714933560
All ages must wither away eventually.
Even before the Shattering we learn that the Erdtree had already began to lose its luster and power.
You can't make a perpetual age, but you can make one that dies with dignity rather than chaos like Marika's tantrum precipitated.

>>714933560
did you learn nothing about miyazaki's stance on pointlessly linking the fire

What does the Goldmask ending entail anyway?

>>714935852
no more woman moments

>>714935852
It basically sounds like he's taking the man out of the gods.
Instead of the Lands Between operating under Greek or Norse or Japanese rules where the gods are basically people that do stuff and have personalities and identities more than they're embodiments of elements or the like, things will become more focused on the gods working as natural forces and parts of the system. Like Radahn (if he's alive) would be the God of Gravity and War, who embodies the concept of gravity in a metaphysical sense, rather than being Radahn the person that has relationships with people and is just a guy.
It also works to harmonize everything so that there's less dogmatic division, Goldmask disliked anti-heresy forces who became mere sadists and marauders who started hunting everything they disliked. Instead, he doubted the holistic breadth of the Golden Order and believed that it was incomplete. But he also held that all things are sourced from the same place (law of regression).

Goldmask's stumbling block in life was dealing with Marika and Radagon. Two people in one body who share control over the same body while being distinct from one another but also truly being one another.
This is illogical and basically impossible to rationalize clearly and his system requred a single impersonal and unitary god to work. And he couldn't figure out a way to handle that in his Age of Order and it broke him.
We solve it by killing Radagon ourselves, leaving just Marika behind.

One thing to compare Goldmask to IRL are the pseudo-monotheistic Greek and Roman Platonist philosophers.
A lot of Goldmask's philosophy and treatment of religion seem directly borrowed from Platonist writings about religion. Many of whom thought that all the traditional stories about the gods were bullshit because they were basically about people, instead of natural forces and metaphorical representations of natural forces.

>>714937416
So it's more in line with South Pacific or Sub Saharan mythologies rather than paganistic Western or East Asian ones.

>>714931380 (OP)
The refusal to give us a Miquella ending was just so fucking petty.

>>714937416
>We solve it by killing Radagon ourselves, leaving just Marika behind.
Okay but how. That doesn't sound like a solution to the illogical and basically impossible to rationalize situation that you just described: if they were one and the same but also distinct, "just kill one of them lmao" doesn't really "explain" how one accomplishes that.

>>714931380 (OP)
There are only two real endings in Elden Ring (the chairs don't count, the devs were so fucking lazy they literally just did asset flips for their own fucking endings) and they both suck. Ranni is an evil bitch who deserves to be burned to ashes alongside the Erdtree, and The Flame of Frenzy is just edgelord shit.

>>714937831
It is obviously insane. Killing a god should be impossible and doing it to some complex dual-natured deity so that it leaves half of them around should also be impossible.
We actually kill a god, we slay Radagon and then the avatar of the Golden Order itself. And because of the logical inconsistency of the Radagon-Marika relationship, this leaves Marika alive but Radagon dead. And this is actually all according to Marika's plan who knew that somehow a person would be able to do this, as she leads us with the guidance of grace until the very end.
The mechanics are obviously illogical and that could be considered an issue with the Age of Order ending. If we get there by doing something that makes the nature of divinity obviously founded on irrational principles, how do you create an effective law of the land that is totally rational and impersonal?

>>714931380 (OP)
>Which of these is supposed to be the good ending.

There's maybe 2-3 'good' endings:
The Age of Fracture, the 'neutral ending'; you become Elden Lord and the wheel makes another turn. Everything stays the same and people go back to work, the status quo preserved.
The Age of Order, the 'lawful good ending'; you slot in Goldenmask's perfect order rune, stripping away the gods ability to whimsically do whatever they want with the order of the world, basically putting admin locks and instituting codes of conduct and guidelines on the Elden Rune.
It's debatable, but Ranni's Age of Stars, could be considered a 'neutral good' ending(?) The issue with Ranni's age is her plan is to just fuck off (and fuck the shit out of the pc for a thousand years) and let the Land's Between simply run itself as an open system. She left behind some kind of rune to keep the lights on, but the entire world is now exposed to space traffic. You could consider it a good ending because people have their autonomy from the gods, but then they also don't because they're at the mercy of whatever space creature shows up this week.

The other ones are bad or questionably moral endings:
I don't entirely understand The Age of Dusbork, beyond them canonizing the existence of Undead into the Elden Ring. I'm not entirely sure what implications this would have.
The Age of Defilement is supposed to completely delete all barriers and social order by cursing everyone to the same miserable existence. I think this one is the most interesting if only because I'd like to see what that means, is everybody just born an Omen now?

The Age of Frenzy Flame is you literally just incinerating the entire world and reducing it to ash. This is considered a "100% bad evil naughty" ending because you've.. Just destroyed everything. Everything.

>>714935852
It's this >>714935921
>>714937416
>>714937702
It just locks the elden ring down so nobody else can edit or break it
>>714937831
>>714938517
Marika is dead at the end of the game. The whole plot is her accepting that she fucked up beyond any ability to actually fix it herself and sending her ghost daughter to find a tarnished to come kill her/Radagon.

>>714938930
I would argue that the Blessing of Despair is even worse than the Frenzied Flame, because at least in the latter, the suffering is transient. Blessing of Despair is just making the world into hell out of pure hedonistic cruelty.

>>714938930
I don't think the Age of Defilement would make people into Omens because the Omens are not cursed, even if the Dung Eater says they are.
Omens are just born touched by the Crucible. They're normal people that happen to have atavistic traits just by brushing closer to the fount of life than most. They're more similar to the Crucible Knights that communed with the Crucible by choice (ostensibly), than they are to some cursed beings. That is the tragedy. In another society (like the Hornsent one) they'd be treated either normally or possibly even considered semi-holy for being closer to that type of divine power. The Dung Eater either doesn't know this, or doesn't care about it.
He doesn't show any interest in the Crucible or knowledge of its mechanics. He only likes the Omens specifically because in the context of the Golden Order, they're hated.
So his defilement curse might fuck everyone up is some horrible way, but it certainly won't spread the Omen condition because it has no direct link to the Crucible.

>>714939062
Marika is alive because she has to be alive for the sake of us marrying her.
We don't become a god at the end, we become the Elden Lord, which requires there to be a separate god as the holder of divine power.
Marika might not be ambulatory anymore, and possibly not conscious, but she's very much alive at the end, because she has to be for the ending to work. If she's dead and there's no god at all, then we can't become the Elden Lord.

>>714939430
>Marika is alive because she has to be alive for the sake of us marrying her.
We become elden lord. Nobody said we were going to marry Marika. Her body is literally a mostly destroyed lump of rock. What little divinity we are lord of is the erdtree itself, which contains and to some degree directs the last of her grace, not Marika herself. We literally killed Radagon and Radagon is Marika.

>>714931380 (OP)
In one of them you get a gf :)

>>714931380 (OP)
Definitely the one where Millicent and I are married and happy

>>714939563
It doesn't have to be literal marriage, but the Elden Lord is defined as the consort of the god.
We're Ranni's consort in her ending, Radahn becomes Miquella's consort in his plotline. We become the consort of Marika in the Elden Lord endings.
You can even see some divine power in her when we place the head back upon the body and it 'heals' and we see her golden magic start flowing again. Marika is still alive.

>>714931380 (OP)
Top left
Bottom left is also ok.

>>714931943
redditor

Is this shit more related to Hinduism or some sort of shit skin mythos or atheism slop? I'm not seeing a single Christian, European, nor Jap reasoning as to why the gods behave the way they do.

>>714931789
>Godwyn
Does that ending change anything?
All Fia and the flavour text seems concerned about is the undead not being hunted by the Golden Order, but the Golden Order has completely collapsed, there's 1 hunter left at all and he doesn't make it to the end of the game, and the undead don't even seem sentient.

I guess Godwyn technically returns as a prince of death, but I doubt he's anymore sentient and all he's done is randomly kill stuff by growing blight everywhere.

>>714939986

The idea that life is just an endless cycle of drama, bullshit, and suffering, and in order to get out of it is you must basically betray and abandon every instinct telling you otherwise, because as much as life is just constant suffering you're also hopelessly addicted to is in equal measure to your fear of the unknown - Is a very Hindu and/or Buddhist theme.

The idea that the gods are all fake retards with more magic power than you, shaking the planet as if it were there ant farm, and generally prostrating moral superiority entirely on a subjective measure that "I'm the most powerful AND I made you, so I'm the arbiter of Justice you fucking bug." - Is very much a Gnostic or Euthyphro'ian dilemma. And to some extent a constant overarching general theme in all pagan religions.

>>714939986
This is mostly like living on the ground floor of a Norse or Greek myth.
There's a story of Thor being fooled by illusions into destroying 3 mountains and drinking the sea's half dry. Imagine what it'd be like to actually live in the world where suddenly a God smashed the mountain you lived next to into atoms or drank the ocean and turned your fishing village into a landlocked hovel.

Forgot to mention: >>714940345

Almost every religion on the planet has historically believed in some kind of world-creating, tree of life, or an otherwise cosmological-defining tree. The Norse, for example, famously believed that the multiverse existed on the branches of the world tree and if you could sail to the edge, or tunnel through the earth, you could get to dwarf-land or giant-land on another branch (this belief was also present somewhat in some Meso-America folk beliefs). They, and the Greeks, and the Abrahamic Religions, also believed in a tree wot had golden apples that bestowed immortality upon those who eat from it. Greek and Norse lowercase gods had to eat them regularly to retain their immortality, whereas the Christian/Jewish/Muslim God infamously had an evil tree (which we ate from) and an immortality tree (which we didn't get to eat from) in the garden of Eden.

>>714935921
lmao

>>714931380 (OP)
Ranni's is kinda the best but there's no real "good" option where everything is unambiguously saved & happy.

>>714932767
>The Ranni ending hands the world over to all the other space gods that are trying to take over
I think her ending specifically was meant to create a shield using the moon to block the influence of the other gods.
so they CAN'T take over.

>>714931380 (OP)
In a situation with no good options that are patchworks at best the good option is ironically the “worst” one since you got here by half assing it to begin with which is why you should seek audience with the 3 fingers and the Frenzied Flame below the capital and burn the erdtree to the ground. Please.

>>714942545
She can try, but even with Marika there to keep shit in order, lost her strongest daughter to an Outer God and couldn't kill Shabriri off for good, either. And her main inquisitor became a snake cultist that wanted to eat the world.
The Dark Moon might make some kind of shield, but you're competing with some serious stuff at all times.

>>714943080
isn't that the point of claiming the elden ring all of those same gods are after?
so you CAN dominate over that other competition?

>>714943165
I think the Elden Ring is a shortcut, but you could take over without it?
The Rot God doesn't seem to give a shit about it. It just uses its agents like disease vectors to spread its influence directly by terraforming the world itself. It probably wouldn't even need the Elden Ring to rot the Erdtree away.
The Frenzied Flame does want the Elden Ring, though.

>>714931380 (OP)
There's no bad ending

>>714931380 (OP)
The Age of the Duskborn ending means people become undead and their soul remains in their dead body after death. As such people Live in Death rather than having their soul and body pass away
The Age of Despair ending means people become affected by Omen curse, so explosed to Crucible currents that make them develop horns similarly to the Hornsent, the Misbegotten or Bayle. As such their souls become wraiths that then spread and multiply through reproduction
The Age of Fracture restores the Erdtree burials and resumes the Age of the Erdtree by mending the Elden Ring without a mending rune.
The Age of Order embeds Goldmask's calculations of light cipher, the language of the Grace that binds people souls to Order, to mend the Elden Ring with the Fate of all in the Lands Between, blending the Stargazers and the Erdtree worshippers fates in the Perfect Order mending rune, since they actually both draw their Fate from the light/starlight manifested by the Stars of the Greater Will, and Goldmask realizes dichotomy is only apparent.
The Age of Stars causes the dissolution of the old Order. Ranni's Order is instead signified by the Moon, an entity that binds the Fate of the Eternal Cities first and then all the Lands Between inhabitants, but such Order is distant and removed and the Fate it writs in the sky does not enforce a rigid cycle of Life and Death that all being go through.

None of those are bad endings.
You could argue that Lord of Frenzy is a bad ending. But it's more of a nihilist point of view than a straight up concept of evil.

>>714939146
Despair is not a bad ending
It turns the curse of a connection to the Crucible into a blessing and fixes most of what is wrong with the Lands Between

>>714940306
Those Who Live in Death can be sentient, all the characters in Nightreign are Those Who Live in Death.

>>714931380 (OP)
Frenzy ending is the best, oddly enough

AKA
fuck this gay earth
AKA
press the reset button

>>714943967
Frenzy Ending is unironically extremely Jewish. Are you a kike.

>>714943967
There's no reset. The whole point is simply destroying everything forever

>>714931567
There is no magic in real world too
I want my fucking good ending in every fucking game, world is shitty i dont need to watch shitty ending in game too

>>714943513
>>714943676
>>714939343
I disagree with your characterization of the Despair ending because I don't see any place where the Dung Eater expresses knowledge or care about the Crucible. He just likes that things associated with the Crucible are reviled, rather than philosophically being aligned with it.
He is making a Cursed Great Rune, but it is a novel one, rather than being one that links back to the Crucible.

>>714944019
There is no such thing as that in Jewish mythology.

>>714931789
Frenzy is the good ending. By letting the fractures continue you are dooming the universe to a cold death. The divine, vital force that created all life (the primeval current) is fading, that's why the Astels are deformed. They are "bastards" and "natural-born of the void". Rather than being born from divine light, like a proper star, they come from the lightless abyss. That's also why Metyr is insane and can't speak to the GW: the GW has disappeared as the divine light has faded. That's why her microcoosm is so devoid of light compared to the fleeting microcosm spell, which is a "fleeting simulacra" of the universe as it once was, when it was still full of divine light, when the presence of God could still be felt. By embracing the FF, you are rebuilding God, and saving the universe from eternal debasement and cold death. It's the only good ending.

Ranni's is the best:
>fucks off to kill space bugs with (You)
>lands between heals itself with nightreign
>new trees grow
>no fingers to mess things up this time
Madness is second best:
>wipe the world clean and become the first flame
>dark souls 1 - 3 happen
Rest are ignored.

>>714944356
Tikum Olam
See>>714944373

>>714931380 (OP)
frenzied flame

>>714931380 (OP)
Neutral ending is burning everything to the ground so nothing is spared. No more problems.
Something better will rise from the ashes in some distant future anyway.

>>714944924
>>714944619
Nothing follows the frenzy ending. The whole point is that creation was a mistake and should be reversed.

>>714944231
You disagree because you are the same retard that has been trying to claim Dung Eater is just some edgelord for 3 years.
>No connection with the Crucible
He is shown to have the soul of an Omen, with wraiths exploding from it, but he has no horns because he is much ancient than the Omen curse and fashions the original emblem of the Fell God. That dates him to before Marika was even Goddess, similar in timespan to the Crucible Knights of which he has the same now tarnishing Golden armor. He is in fact an hexed soul restored to his body with grace.

>>714945019
Finger propaganda.

>>714932017
this one a lot more people realize whats up though, the end goal might not be to be to release the evidence and persecute those involved but to accept thats how human elite circles work and it always will even if you tear it down another will just pop up

>>714945019
Something will come from nothing again, anyway

>>714931380 (OP)
There is no good ending. There is only different shades of Zanzibarting.

>>714934639
Okay but prolonging the age of the Erdtree doesn't involve lighting myself on fire

>>714937831
We kill Radagon and leave behind Marika who, if she isn't left a glorified statue, is definitely at least somewhat lobotomized

>>714931380 (OP)
That's on you to decide what you think would work and like the best. I personally think the Age of Order would be the best next logical step, bringing some sort of renewed high society, but it will ultimately fail and need to give way to an improved version again, until the ideals found are an actual God/truth and not just an outer power posing as it. Age of Fracture is the next best thing, returning to a pre-failure status quo but with the knowledge if impending failure gives off the hope of improvement. The Age of the Duskborn and Age of the Stars come next, both bring radical change that demands people have a deep mindset change for it to work. I think Dusk works better since the change is smaller, but it's doomed to stagnation, kinda like Japan. Stars can have a better outcome than the Golden Order for the people who do adapt to the accountability expected, but most people can't, and abandoning solar values for the magic of stars seems like abandoning the issues you know for benefits you don't know, a very lunar sort of reckless woman thinking.
Frenzied Flame and Despair come next. Despair is immediatly worse, like living in India, but it's so disgusting that it may work like accelerationism, and fertilize the setting for something good to grow.
Frenzied Flame is gay global communism, it may look good on paper (if you're a retard), but it salts the fields so nothing good ever grows back again, it would be more comfortable than jeet ending but less hopeful.

>>714931380 (OP)
>Which of these is supposed to be the good ending.
Moon ending leads to Bloodborne.
Fire ending leads to Dark Souls.
Other endings are not endings at all.

>>714931380 (OP)
The fact that most "people" can't even understand the endings despite the game being very clear about detailing each of them really shows how Elden Ring is the first actual IQ filter of the game industry

>>714931679
>The one you got on your first playthrough (ranni)
lol
lmao even

>>714945019
bro no one is listening to your headcanon. flames and rebirth go hand in hand. ever heard of a phoenix?

>>714945483
Nuh uh, Dusk ending leads to Demon's Souls.

>>714945483
Dusk leads to Sekiro

>>714931679
anyone that did ranni first is a guide following faggot and not a real nigga

>>714931380 (OP)
me3 tier endings 2bh

>>714945702
>guide following faggot
Don't group me with dolltards, I used a guide to open the crater and get me my blue sword, but fuck that bitch and her idiotic daddy issues.

>>714945553
Fia's whole quest line is retarded nonsense
>>714945642
The whole point of the three fingers is that the GW should not have fractured the primordial chaos. They don't want to "reset" everything, they want nothing to exist at all.

>>714945052
Big schizopost in the beginning, given that the general community consensus is that the Dung Eater is just an edgelord that eats shit.
The majority of people say that, so they literally can't be the 'same retard'.

He thinks he has the soul of an omen, but he doesn't because he's just a psychopathic killer who enjoys being hated. While Omens are normal tormented children that are twisted into being brutes because Marika locks them in a sewer full of shit and sends Omen Killers to murder them periodically. The Dung Eater likes that for the aesthetic, not the material depth of them.
There's no reason to think that the Dung Eater is exceptionally old, like you want. His sun medallion is explained and it doesn't have anything to do with the Giants directly, "The heavy, sun-shaped medallion represents both the guidance he once saw, and the ring to which it will one day lead." He once was revived as a normal Tarnished but lost Grace, but dreams of one day making his own shining light with his Cursed Rune.
There is a link to the Giants via his spinal cord sword. But that also fits with his fetishization of everything the Golden Order hates and him being a sadist that likes mutilating bodies. What better than mutilating the last pygmy Giant for a sword. Perhaps he was a part of Godfrey's army and got the sword then, but that is really just a possibility rather than a probability.

The most glaring issue is that he literally never talks about the Crucible and isn't linked to it any item descriptions or dialog or anything.
His armor being vaguely similar in color to the Crucible Knight armor isn't meaningful on its own because there are multiple armor sets of a similar color in the game. The Rakshasa set has the same color as it and there's no link between them and the Crucible, either. While others, like Godfrey, who we know are linked to the Crucible, wear normal armor.

>>714945702
Rannis quest is the most obvious and signposted in the game. It filtered redditors who were too retarded to try the "talk to miniature Ranni" more than twice. There are multiple graces past where you find her so if you check at each grave you will naturally hear her dialogue.

>>714945836
>They don't want to "reset" everything, they want nothing to exist at all.
10 bucks says you're not getting it through that Gramscian fag's skull.

>>714945929
Its easy going once you're in the actual quest, but activating it requires the player to go out of their way and do the Carian Manor, even when it is probably the hardest dungeon in the game by that point.
If you didn't do Caelid first, having to spam Fire Grease to deal with all those fucking Fingers is actual Hell. Loretta isn't a push-over, either.

Its all cyclical so there's no real conclusion. The better endings are rannis and goldmasks. With Rannis ending indicating letting the world recover in a taoistic sorta way. We're not sure with Goldmask, like if the GO keeps running but with less BPD, and for how long? probably 1000 years as well.

>>714938930
>but then they also don't because they're at the mercy of whatever space creature shows up this week.
Why would they? She's not removing magic, just making an age where people have to act for themselves instead of leaning on God.

>>714931380 (OP)
Going close to the river bed in front of the capital to eat prawns and crabs with my friend.

/THREAD

>>714945929
yeah but did you do all of her questline without a guide? yes or no

>>714931380 (OP)
ranni gave me the best weapon in the game and married me and has a cool unique ending so her obviously

>>714946304
Yes
but I looked up a guide for Millicent's quest

>>714946283
What the hell is magic going to do if there's a second Malenia?

>>714943676
You can take a curse and turn it into a blessing but having your body covered in horns is dangerous for your health and having wraiths inside of you drives you mad. This is true for both the cursed Omens and the Hornsent that saw divinity in horns.

>>714946474
Smack her with a stick? We did it too. A second Malenia won't be nearly as powerful since she has no Great Rune nor divine blood.

>>714946304
Yes, I even did it before they added the NPC icons to the map. As said it's one of the most coherent quest in fromsofts souls catalogue, especially so if you only count major quests.

>>714947039
nah, I don't believe you

>>714947039
But you didn't say that, I said that.
Sussy impostor.

>>714945052
>>714944231
>>714939343
>>714938930
>>714939146
>>714943676

I think the Age of Despair has something to do with the Fell God: the god that the fire giants worshipped, the one that makes fire, and the god associated or symbolized by the face on those burning men and maybe Dung Eater's necklace.

I also say this for several other reasons: The Fell God isn't dead, he was just knocked out or so many of his kids died that he went into hibernation, but the influence of his power remains in the world as Marika couldn't delete fire, and he seemed pretty determined to curse and subvert all of Marika's creation - specifically that last one, subvert creation. My impression is he doesn't want to destroy everything he just wants it changed or altered to fit his needs and humiliate his enemies. The Fell God convinced his 'jailers', the Fire Monks, into serving him, and he cursed most of Marika's children with red hair. I also say this because the Fell Curse Rune has the same gross swirling pattern seen in the iconography of the Fell God and when the Fire Giant becomes possessed by his power.

>What about the Crucible stuff?

I think that's just something everyone in-setting has to eventually work with or interact in some way if they have any kind of cosmological encompassing scheme. The Crucible doesn't seem like a "conscious actor", it's just an environmental thing - it's where all the life on their planet comes from.

>>714945836
>Fia's whole quest line is retarded nonsense
It isn't, you are just retarded

>>714931380 (OP)
Ranni, it's what Marika wanted considering Ranni is a fragment of Marika

>>714931380 (OP)
Frenzied Flame is good ending

>>714935852
Removal of free will. GO becomes so perfected that it will stagnate everything

>>714947359
Uhhh no I said that?

>>714931380 (OP)
Dark Souls 2 ending when u decide to do things your own way

>>714947632
We're all Marika on this blessed day!

>>714945918
>the general community consensus
*BRAAAAAAAAAAPPPPPPP*
>The majority of people say that, so they literally can't be the 'same retard'.
You are the same retard, I can tell the way you post and the arguments you use
>He thinks he has
No retarded nigger. He has the soul of an Omen, and performs the wraith attacks of an Omen.
You are a stupid faggot and I'm not reading your retarded shit further, as if the DLC hadn't already buried 5 feet under your retarded headcanon
>>714947450
There's no "death" of the Fell God. The Fell God was slain because he was cheated of his grace by Marika with the help of the Hornsent. The Fell God is the Sun itself which is now replaced by an eternal bright Erdtree. The only place where it aleays count as Night is the Mountaintops where the rays of the Erdtree don't reach, and the Sun is faded to the point of never giving actual light. Marika fucked the Old Order by completely removing the cycle of Life and Death and the influence the Stars, including the Fell God, had. She then shields the Lands Between from the effect of the curses that come from the Realm of Shadow which is the whole point of veiling it and making Messmer the only object of grief and hatred
>I think the Age of Despair has something to do with the Fell God
No shit my man. Maybe the "Fell Curse" gave it away? The Hornsent are tormented by the Fell God, that in turn afflict the children of Marika by invoking the Omen hex as retaliation for betrayal. The Omen curse is a grim reminder of the illegitimacy of the Erdtree and Marika's ascension, and the Lands Between people linked to the previous Order hang as spirits, like the Banished Knights, or Revenants, souls with no guidance.

The Dung Eater was a Crucible Knight, and despite him receiving the Blessing of grace (since he can't attack in the Roundtable Hold) he was still hexed on death.

>>714931380 (OP)
It's most likely the Goldmask ending, since his quest and locations imply that he's trying to actually cure the curses and heal the wounded, while also changing the system to exclude the demi-gods/gods/outer gods and hold them all accountable. Ranni's ending looks pretty but the Dark Moon and stars are too suspicious, Seluvis' quest reveals that the "fates" are just the stars having an ability to puppeteer people, and the Two Fingers found killed atop the Divine Towers indicate that the Fingerslayer Blade isn't actually required to kill the Two Fingers, thus making its "fate" requirement suspect. Ranni also began her quest not wanting to be a god, but once the stars are freed, she's walking the "path of the Empyrean" despite that. The Nox want an Age of (the) Stars too.

>>714948679
>The Fell God was slain because he was cheated of his grace by Marika with the help of the Hornsent. The Fell God is the Sun itself which is now replaced by an eternal bright Erdtree.
Pure headcanon.
The Sun still exists and you can just look at it.
Play the game, one day.

>>714946474
Ranni vowed that she and her consort would protect humanity for 1000 years, and in the meantime she hoped they'd get stronger and develop all kinds of crazy magic under the guidance of the dark moon. Ranni's plan was essentially a 1000 years uninterupted training montage so that humanity could protect itself against outer Gods. Thematically Ranni's ending leads to Bloodborne.

>>714945929
I was so overpowered by that point in the game I never rested at a grace down there more than twice. Same reason I never heard most of Melina's dialogue, I never rested at the graces where she appears. This weird legacy bullshit where for some reason NPCs just cannot, for any reason, move around in real time, requiring rests to teleport or appear at all, it antiquated horseshit.

>>714948758
>The Sun still exists
The Sun is just an empty faded husks that appears at all times and hardly brightens anything. It has been completely robbed of grace by Marika, and lacks the very concept of Order from which it was severed.

>>714948679
>soul of an omen
He literally doesn't. Because Omens are normal people that are just mutated and the Dung Eater is a born psychopathic murderer. His soul is fucked uniquely from birth, and he made it worse by eating people's shit and souls through their ass over however long he's been active.
Hell, his use of the Omen Bairn shows how clear this is, where we get a quote from the Bairn, "Please, don't hate me, or curse me. Please.", begging to not be cursed or hated by normal people. When the Dung Eater's entire thing is that he loves being hated by the world.
And the Dung Eater channels his wraiths through the Omen Bairn instead of naturally producing them. He's tormenting the fetish for the sake of using its power for himself.

>>714943676
>>714947450
If the Blessing of Despair has a connection to any outer god, it could only be the formless mother. But I think it's more of a genuinely novel kind of suffering. We also know for sure it has no connection to the crucible at all, that's not how omens work or why they exist.

>>714945052
You are the retard for trying to pretend that the dung eater is anything other than an evil edgelord when he FUCKING TELLS YOU THAT'S ALL HE IS AND WANTS TO BE
>He is shown to have the soul of an Omen,
OMENS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CRUCIBLE.

>>714949112
>He literally doesn't
Yes it does. Play the game
>>714949182
>If the Blessing of Despair has a connection to any outer god
Despair has no connection to any Outer God. There's only 5 Outer Gods in the Elden Ring universe counting Nightreign. Stop using terms you don't know shit about

>>714949112
>>714949235
Wrong, stop posting dude

>>714949235
>OMENS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CRUCIBLE.
>Horns have nothing to do with the source of horns
Retard

>>714949334
He doesn't.
You're going by the description of the Omen Set when that is clearly just communicating his personal view of the world, "Worn by the Dung Eater, their form is a vision of the landscape of his mind, and of his appearance as he wished to see it. The heart of an omen without the body to match; could there be any crueler existence? What does it matter, then, if the curse claims at all?".
That is just communicating how the Dung Eater sees the world. The issue being of course that he doesn't actually understand what the Omens are, or why they're like that. Otherwise, he'd be a Crucible Knight instead of a shit eating degenerate. As though the Omens chose to live in the sewers.

Item descriptions not being objective is common in the game.
One good example is the Bloodrose item, "Particularly beloved by those who serve the Lord of Blood. Glory to his inevitable reign." Obviously not meant to be read as objective, but conveying a point of view. Just like the Dung Eater's armor item description.

>>714948831
>and in the meantime she hoped they'd get stronger and develop all kinds of crazy magic under the guidance of the dark moon.
Mission accomplished, I guess.

>>714949717
He does
https://youtu.be/SnZGV17w9H0?si=KPUSDt5_qs-VqGVh
I don't give a shit about your retarded headcanon. You are wrong and never bring any evidence for your shitposting.

>>714949182
Outer Gods are completely irrelevant for any endings and they are by definition entities separated from Order and the Stars that originated from the Greater Will
The Formless Mother is the Goddess of those suffering and with cursed blood. The Omen are just some of them

>>714949821
>uses omen bairn item
Yeah, exactly what I said above.
He is not actually creating Wraiths with his own power. He is using the same item that we the player can pick up.
And the text of the Omen Bairn item demonstrates well how actual Omens and the Dung Eater contradict one another.
This is all stuff I talked about above in the thread and you apparently just ignored, so I have to restate it, now.

I have done nothing but supply many quotes or references from the actual game text demonstrating how the Dung Eater understands nothing about the Omens, and you've failed to actually substantiate anything you've claimed at all.
Either provide a counterargument that doesn't just prove my own or come up with a new theory, because you obviously misunderstood the Dung Eater's entire plotline in a massive way.

>>714945929
>There are multiple graces past where you find her so if you check at each grave you will naturally hear her dialogue.
And on release you could only do that at one.

>>714950098
>>uses omen bairn item
Dung Eater doesn't have the Omen Bairn and doesn't drop it. Dung Eater IS Omen himself. Roderika hears the cursed spirits when the Dung Eater reaches the Roundtable and stop hearing them when he leaves, because he is literally vessel of wraiths.

No, I'm not even bothering with reading the rest. You are consistently wrong and throwing shit at the wall and your whole argument is based on ignoring the connections the Omen have to the Crucible, the name of the Fell Curse as well as the medallion which the game highlights and that actually explains the origin of the Dung Eater because you have been obsessed for 3 years to prove there's no depth to the Dung Eater and the game should be ignored entirely.

>>714949589
>Wraith infested tumors that torture and kill you are the same thing as the divine growths
lmao

>>714950618
NTA, but the omens have no connection to the crucible, and the use of the word "fell" is extremely weak in the context of the fact that omens also have nothing to do with the fire giants, flame peak, or fire in general.

The origin of the dung eater is simple. He is a relentlessly hateful monster, and manifested a mending rune through cultivation of suffering and ultimately, sacrifice of his life, just like the other two mending rune saints cultivate their own philosophies and then die.

>>714931380 (OP)
>I don't get it. Which of these is supposed to be the good ending.
I respect Jack's strength and trust him implicitly, so I pick Goldmask.

>>714950618
He uses the exact animation from the item.
Gideon Ofnir doesn't drop any of the spells he uses but it is obvious that he uses Comet Azur, Scarlet Aeonia, etc. Same goes for most Tarnished NPCs, we know what items they're using and how.
We get the Bairn elsewhere, but it is obvious what item the Dung Eater is using and where he got it from.
Just carrying around the fetish and constantly fucking with it would create the bad vibes that Roderika feels very easily. As would eating people's souls out through their assholes so they can't even die correctly.

I've been very clear the entire time that I believe the Omens are connected to the Crucible. You just can't fucking read at all, can you? Holy shit, you're outstanding.
The Omens being connected to the Crucible is the biggest reason that the Dung Eater doesn't understand anything about them. Because he doesn't have any link to the Crucible as I've addressed many times over. Feel free to read my above posts any day now.
The Sun on the Dung Eater's armor is explained explicitly in the item description and it has nothing to do with the Fell God, I quoted that above too.
At this point I should just link you to a wiki or something because very obviously you're more interested in making up stories rather than just playing the game or reading the text that the game prints out at you, and whenever I type it out or reference it your eyes just glaze over and you ignore it.

>>714950873
>>714951118
>NTA
Lol
>but the omens have no connection to the crucible
They do
>and the use of the word "fell" is extremely weak in the context of the fact that omens also have nothing to do with the fire giants, flame peak, or fire in general.
They also do connect, because the Fell God of Fire manifested in the Lands Between through the Golden Crucible, now turned Scadutree and mocked by Messmer forces
The Crucible is itself birthed from the shoulders of Primordial Giants, from which the Fire Giants descend amd that traces the art of Smithscript, divine engravings that can infuse armament with divine elements
>The origin of the dung eater is simple. He is a relentlessly hateful monster,
You are a massive retard, nothing but an ignorant shithead. I told you I'm not reading your retarded ignorant copes

>>714950873
The Omens are Crucible-touched.
Check the Crucible Knot Talisman, for example.
Dropped by an Omen Killer that most likely cut it off of an actual Omen.

>>714951186
The Crucible is older than the Giants or even the Dragons.
It is the original nexus for all life on the planet. I believe that it is older than even the Greater Will's contact with Earth.

What is the curse?

>>714935852
The most we can glean is that Goldmask is removing the gods (which probably includes demi-gods and outer gods) from the system, since they wound up not being qualified to govern with the power and influence that they had. The rest of what his ending entails can be inferred from his research in various places regarding people's suffering and the persecutions sent after them instead of attempts to reverse their horrible curses and remedy their terrible circumstances. Goldmask thought that a lot of things the Golden Order did were messed up and people who should have been helped were instead demonized and abandoned, if not outright attacked. Goldmask wants to presumably uncurse and heal the world, and his ending also apparently heals the Erdtree back to its peak splendor. Even the leaves aren't falling off of it anymore.

>>714951212
No, it was cut from a misbegotten. Omens don't have animal parts, they are not touched by divine energy, they are cursed with wraiths and have cancer of the body and soul.
>>714951186
>because the Fell God of Fire manifested in the Lands Between through the Golden Crucible, now turned Scadutree
You are insane and retarded.

>>714937416
Goldmask's major mystery to solve is the nature of Radagon and Marika. Once you discover that Radagon is Marika and tell Goldmask about it, Goldmask finds the solution and eventually is able to find/manifest his mending rune to solve the problems.

>>714951426
>The Crucible is older than the Giants
Wrong
>>714951487
The defilement of souls that gets them to be severed from the Order they were bound to.
The headless knights for example self-impose a curse on themselves so that they don't go to the Tree after death.
The wraiths and spirits are also cursed

Frenzied Flame is best ending.
Lands Between sucks. Marika sucks. Greater Will sucks. Game kinda sucks too.
Burn it all down.

>>714951487
The dung eater's curse is infection of the soul with wraiths, causing that person to be perpetually spiritually unclean.

>>714931380 (OP)
The only one who put in at least a tiny bit of effort. The other "endings" are just a bad joke.

>>714939343
The hornsent didn't worship all horns, they despised and jailed the Lamenter. The Omens seem much more like the Lamenter, and the Hornsent Grandam refers to the Omen status as a curse.

>>714951629
The only insane retard here is you. The Crucible of Life Devonia searches is the same exact depicted by Goldmask with his sun and by Executor with the same face mask. It uses a Sunflower as avatar, and the U-tower near the Golden Crucible is literally created to cup the shape of the Sun
Also It's cute how you tried to drop the pretense of not samefagging

Sunflower

>>714951913
Exactly. The lamenter is kind of their version of the dung eater, although he did not go down the path of depravity as far. The lamenter caame to see suffering and misery as equally viable paths to spiritual enlightenment as the typical hornsent aestheticism. Dung Eater followed a similar path, but ultimately concluded that the correct decision was a total inversion of good and evil.

>>714951913
>they despised and jailed the Lamenter.
Because he discovered the connection between the horns they worship and the Fell God, that haunts the hornsent. It's a truth they want to bury.
Morgott and Mohg can create clones like the Lamenter because they actually reached the communion with the Crucible currents due to their Demigod status.

>>714951961
You have genuine "god is talking to me tgrough pattens in the drywall" schizophrenia, and I will not be responding to you further.

>>714951629
Morgott literally has a tail. Mohg grows wings.
Another Crucible talisman, the Scale, is also found in the Shunning Grounds by Omen.
The Feather Crucible talisman talks about how the horns found on certain people come from the Crucible.
The Omen Killer Cleaver is made of amputated Omen horns, and horns are the most common expression of Crucible influence.
Contextually the Omen are clearly connected to the Crucible.

They're just people that brushed closer to the Crucible than others did in the womb, or however that metaphor would go.

>>714951913
>The hornsent didn't worship all horns,
Yes they did
>they despised and jailed the Lamenter.
Because he has the face of the Fell God that appears on the Fire Giant
>The Omens seem much more like the Lamenter
The Horsent and the Omen are in general the same, with the difference that the Omen are haunted by the spirits of other numen-descendant wraiths while the Hornsent are haunted in their sagas by the Fell God
>and the Hornsent Grandam refers to the Omen status as a curse
It's a curse because it severed them from their Order

>>714943758
wait really? I thought they were just people being handpicked by an unknown entity to fight the night and when it is over, they return to their real body. Like how Wylder is dying in reality.

>>714932973
Pure sorc in ds2 is totally viable. It uses the same magic system as ds1 with set amounts of casts per spell, but levelling attunement also gives you more casts.

Some more random tips:
>a few points into faith allow you to cast hexes which deal dark damage so you have 2 main damage types to get around magic resistance
>dex affects your casting speed so a few points to dex will help you out
>grind desert pyromancers for herbs to restore spell charges
>don't bother with DLC on purely magic damage, every boss has about 80% resistance

>>714951717
The Crucible is definitely older.
It is openly called the source of all life on the planet, and the Giants are certainly that, they're even a younger race going by the dragons and the random immense skulls we find being definitely more ancient.
They are as much children of the Crucible as humans or fish or deer.

>>714951913
The Lamenter was just a psycho.

>>714952246
Morgott was clearly designed as a misbegotten, and does not resemble any other omen including his brother. Mohg summons wings with an incantation.

>They're just people that brushed closer to the Crucible than others did in the womb,
That's misbegotten. Omens are haunted by wraiths. Their horns are not benign or even useful like those of the hornsent or misbegotten or subterranian shamans, they are cancerous tumors which tear at the flesh. Mohg lost his own fucking eye. It's completely antithetical to the outward growth associated with all the crucible related stuff, on top of nothing that actually is explicitly crucible related having anything to do with wraiths. Being an omen is a miserable experience that even sleep can't save you from, and it always would be no matter what society is like. That's why the dung eater "likes" them. He fibds their misery, and the fear and revulsion they invoke in others, to be aspirational.

>>714952426
>The Crucible is definitely older.
No it's not. In fact not only it was forged on the shoulder of Primordial Giants (that can be seen with the roots sprouting), but we know that the ancient astrologers witnessed the Elden Stars fall

>>714952682
>Morgott was clearly designed as a misbegotten
Or maybe you are just a cretin who didn't understand anything about the lore, especially about the Crucible, the Omen Curse, the Hornsent and the Dung Eater and his motives, which is why you consistently handwave anything that doesn't fit your headcanon as "the game is lying"

>>714952426
Talisman of all Crucibles

A giant mass of intermingling Crucible attributes.

Reduces damage taken from critical hits and head shots and improves the effectiveness of rolling and backstepping, but also increases damage taken at all times.

Rumored to have sprouted upon giants and is known as the "mother of Crucibles" in ancient tower lore.

>>714952682
Misbegotten and Omens are from a similar source. The Misbegotten made a covenant with the Crucible of some sort out of choice, and Marika punished them en masse. The Omens do so accidentally in the womb and are persecuted for it nonetheless.
The Wraiths are very likely triggered by their horrible living conditions. Being tormented your entire life eventually turns those torments into real spirits that eat away at souls. Omen that managed to find a place in the world, like Morgott or Mohg aren't tormented by them in the same way.
The Crucible is not always healthy growth. The Hornsent Grandam had the entire upper half of her face mutilated by horns. It is life energy, but in an unfiltered form. Some can channel it constructively, like the Crucible Knights. Others get it in a brutal form, especially if they're treated as pariahs and thrown in the sewer as children.

Yes, the Dung Eater does like that they're miserable and tormented.
What he doesn't understand is where the Omen's come from or the great irony of their treatment. He just likes larping as one because he enjoys being disgusting and reviled.

>>714952757
The Crucible wasn't forged.
It is not a physical object.

The Giant's Kiln is not the same thing as the Crucible.

I like that this thread has at least 3 different parties all talking back and forth at one another who all think the others are retards and who keep confusing one another for the others.

I think it breaks down to
A - the Omens are separate from the Crucible. The Dung Eater is a madman.
B - the Omens are connected to the Crucible. The Dung Eater is a madman.
C - the Omens are connected to the Crucible. The Dung Eater is linked to the Fell God who is linked to the Crucible and he wants to spread the Omen condition to everyone

The last one I'm less sure about because that guy is incoherent most of the time, but I think that is the gist.

>>714931380 (OP)
Elden Ring has the cyberpunk ending structure where you can choose between a variety of unclear, unfullfilling bad endings, which is to say the endings are so vague that loretards can speculate and talk about how their prefered dogshit ending is better than the other dogshit endings

>>714931380 (OP)
frenzy flame head guy

>>714931789

world its full of hostile zombies and sitting in a throne after killing princess mononoke god or fuck off with a machaivelan doll doesnt fix anything

>>714931380 (OP)
I think it's like
Goldmask > regular > Fia > Ranni > Frenzy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dung Eater

>>714955820
General consensus is that Dung Eater is an edgy fucking idiot and his ending isn't actually going to change anything because he fundamentally misunderstood the Crucible-Golden Order relationship.

>>714955939
He doesn't want to fix anything, he wants to make everyone live in pain (and he does with his ending).

>>714955939
The general consensus is that you are a retard

>>714955939
>>714956020
Quit fake replying to yourself

>>714931380 (OP)
It doesn't matter. The game pretends you get the regular no frills ending regardless.

>>714953764
>unclear
All the endings are very clear if you aren't a retard and explained multiple times.
You need to pass that IQ barrier though

>>714931380 (OP)
I'll be completely honest, I didn't care about the lore for this game at all. I enjoyed fighting enemies, and leveling up my character. I don't even know the ending I selected.

>>714953583
A and B don't exist, it's the same retard replying to yourself and faking to be different people to samefag and validate his own retarded headcanon. He has been trying to claim the Dung Eater ending does nothing and dung eater has no story for years now

>>714956118
>>714956279
Anon getting schizzy with it. Yes it's all a conspiracy. We are all out to get you. It's not that this story is pretty bad and underbaked and has no point.

>>714953280
>Misbegotten and Omens are from a similar source.
No, they are nothing alike. Misbegotten are creatures touched by the Crucible. The Omen are people of the Erdtree cursed to have their soul turn into wraiths
>The Wraiths are very likely triggered by their horrible living conditions
No, they are souls that can't pass away, either transforming into resonant spirits that manifest as Revenants and Wraith Callera or accumulated in horns of Omen

>>714956547
Hilarious how you didn't even try to pull up a phone to pretend you are not samefagging. All you do is shitpost and you are even mediocre at doing that

>>714956556
Technically speaking all aspects of life are touched by the crucible to a degree barring artificial beings like dragonkin soldiers and albinaurics. It's just a matter of degree with things like hornsent, dragons, and misbegotten likely being the most primordially attuned and thus showing clearer signs of it (horns), crucible knights are close but not quite fully attuned, their connection however means they have incants that can sprout horns temporarily, everything is is further somewhat removed to an extent from the primordial crucible and thus aren’t covered in horns.

Ranni

>>714953583
The Dung Eater himself and the Mending Rune explicitly state what is going to happen in the Age of Despair ending. The Fell Curse is not a curse if it is inbued in the concept of Order so that wraiths find their way to the Erdtree, and it becomes a blessing, so new Omen are born.

It's also even more clear because it'e Elden Ring's Usurpation of Fire where the player becomes a Lord of the Age of Hollows by embracing the curse of the Darksign after collecting 5 Dark sigils from accursed pilgrims (and in the earliest iteration you had Pilgrims around several areas in Lothric so you had to collect sigils from each).

Elden Ring goes actually overboard in explaining details more than any Souls game and people choose to ignore them or pretend they shouldn't be taken literally then claim the story is nonsense. There's a massive literacy issue and people are too stupid to understand the game.

>>714931380 (OP)
Frenzy just because ER is shit game that deserves to be destroyed

>>714931789
what is 'normal'? I could google it but based on the op image the implication seems to be godskinners

>>714945702
The only thing I had to look up was the *talk to the doll* thing.

>>714957240
It's the actual kino ending where Melina lives.

>>714957416
No I got melina to self immolate before taking the frenzied flame anyway.

>>714956893
No, you actually believe the Crucible is the origin of everything, which is wrong.
The Lands Between and life are older than Crucible itself

>The eldest primeval sorcery, said to have been discovered by an
ancient astrologer. A sorcery of legendary status.

>Summons a dark cloud of stars overhead. Shortly after, the cloud
will release a violent deluge of star rain. This sorcery can be cast
while in motion. Charging increases potency.

>Thought to be the founding glintstone sorcery. The glimpse of the
primeval current that the astrologer saw became real, and the
stars' amber rained down on this land.

>>714957556
You didn't see the end credits scene?
Damn you missed out

>>714956893
>crucible knights are close but not quite fully attuned
Crucible knights are just the last bearers of the old type of Erdtree spells, which were once commonplace as shown with the Black Knights in SotE. They aren't trying to change their bodies, but to control the primordial energies.

The Goldmask ending is nonsensical. The Order is nothing but Two Fingers headcanon; making it impossible to alter in hopes that the Greater Will will run the show doesn't work when the Greater Will is completely uninterested in doing so.

>>714960074
>The Goldmask ending is nonsensical because [NONSENSICAL HEADCANON]
Lol

>>714948901
It's not a question of legacy, it's unironically technical incompetence. Say what you want about Western developers, Japanese ones are renowned for being shit at actual coding.

>good endings
Marika, you get fertility goddess gf when she heals
Frenzied Flame, the world is shit, press the restart button
>Bad Ending
Ranni, you just unleash more abominations
Fia, deathroot takes over
Goldmask, complete stagnation
Dungeater, redeem

>>714931380 (OP)

You already know the answer.