Thread 714966179

It literally just feels like you've strapped a screen one inch away from your head.

There is no sense of being "present" in a virtual environment at all

you know you can rent them for very cheap right
would help a lot with your future trolling threads

>>714966179 (OP)
Now open your second eye, OP. What the fuck is that, there's a second screen there. Woah

>>714966179 (OP)
Try play real VR, not Google Cardboard

Why are we having a constant, uninterrupted stream of rolling anti-VR troll threads for the past week and a half?

>>714966681
>30€ a month
>controllers rented separately
oh well

>>714966179 (OP)
Yeah it's garbage. Don't forget to use the controller to scroll through menus while you're "immersed"

>>714967871
Because those are the only VR threads that get any engagement. Try making a normal VR thread

>>714966179 (OP)
VR will always fail for long as you can't be FULLY immersed like some star trek holodeck. For now 90% of VR games are low poly proof of concept games that aren't even as good as wii sports or whatever. Until you can get multiple full length games (or fully immersive mmo) with good graphics VR will fail.
>alyx!!!!
ok, and when you are finished with that, then what? you are stuck with a piece of metal that costs several thousand dollars that you can't do anything with. You don't need a "killer app", you need like two dozen killer apps MINIMUM

>>714969070
VR failed? News to me, I love playing with mine.

>>714966179 (OP)
I wish I had money to buy those ones where you scan your face and get those really tiny goggles. Rich people seem to be getting a completely different experience then people buying entry level headsets.

>>714966179 (OP)
You're not entirely wrong, for me it's mostly the controllers that give a sense of immersion.
I remember in HL:A, there's a part where you have to be quiet, and you open a cupboard only for a bottle to roll out and threaten to fall ; I caught it by pure reflex, without even thinking of my motions. That was a moment of pure immersion.
But most VR games have shit controls that constantly break suspension of disbelief so yeah

I bought a Quest 3 and I eventually realized that the thing I was enjoying wasn't the visuals but the improved motion controls. I think shit like Alyx and Blade and Sorcery would unironically be more appealing to a general audience if it was just the motion controls shooting and melee except on a normal big screen TV. The visual element is cool for a few minutes then your brain stops being impressed by it but the annoyance of having a screen taped to your eyes persists

Why did VR flop?

>>714969837
The motion controls in Alyx wouldn't work without the depth perception of VR

>>714970110
NTA but I tried the flat screen mod for Alyx and it works literally the same

>>714969837
I think it's the opposite, there needs to be less fps games and more platformers and other perspectives all the appeal for me is the 3d space I've had more fun with flat mods without motion controls than dedicated VR titles. The controllers are the worst part of the VR experience now hand tracking is bretty cool when it works right.

>>714970219
you played the flat screen mod with motion controls?

>>714970481
ye
not the whole game but I tried it out

>>714969837
I am NOT buying Switch
Fuck off

>>714970550
Switch motion controls are closer to the Wii than the tech in modern VR controllers

>>714969837
After beating Into the Radius I can't imagine playing a game with motion controls but without depth perception, realistic iron sights shooting is one of the coolest things you can experience in VR. I'd love not having a bucket strapped to my head too, however.

>>714970608
How dare you, wiimotes are much more accurate

>>714970731
No the joycons have better accelerometers and gyro than the Wiimote, it's closer to a Wiimote + or whatever the fuck the Skyward Sword one was called

Imagine a technology so unnatural that it should not be used on children because it negatively affects brain development. That's VR, LOL.
VR will never become mainstream. The vast majority of people do not think it is a good idea to use something for entertainment that pits all your senses against each other to the point where your brain starts to make you feel nauseous.
The human brain is the first obstacle to the popularization of VR, and as long as people have brains, there will be a rejection of this technology.

>>714967871
There's a schizo from /vrg/ that is desperate for VR discussion that he will make constant anti-VR bait threads on both /v/ and /g/ just to get his fix

>>714966179 (OP)
>There is no sense of being "present" in a virtual environment at all
Yes there is. I felt it.
I feel it when I go among people in VR, and when I look at the scale of things.
People used to be able to get immersed in text-RPGs. Later, in 2D and 3D games. Now we have VR that puts you "in" the game.
I'm NOT going to say that every VR game is better than regular ones, but it should be the easiest way to get immersed in a game-world.

>>714966179 (OP)
>only used a quest or index
how did I guess?

>>714969070
>you are stuck with a piece of metal that costs several thousand dollars
On what planet or time period are you in? The average VR headset now costs like $400.

>>714966179 (OP)
Honestly, if you didn't feel "it" then you probably set it up wrong. A few years ago I bought a PSVR and it felt like that for the first few days. Then the Resident Evil VII VR mode came out and I recalibrated everything. It was immediately apparent that I wasn't experiencing VR the entire time before.

>>714966179 (OP)
it literally dosent you imbecile. You have never even used a HMD before as you broke ass cant even afford one. thus you vent with jealousy

cope, seethe, dilate

>>714971352
>Imagine a technology so unnatural that it should not be used on children because it negatively affects brain development. That's VR, LOL.
Video games elicit negative brain development in basic motor functions. A common trait of children who play video games to an excessive degree is reduced limb coordination. In part, it plays into the stereotype that "nerds" can't play sports.

>>714971352
Yeah we should get rid of cigarettes, sex, cars, and voting too.

>>714974807
Wrong. Played videogames excessively all my youth and I was in a sports study program.

>>714974416
>>714974778
Why are VR fans so defensive? If your pet technology is so good, why hasn't it gotten off the floor after hundreds of billions of dollars being invested into it?

>>714975056
>Anecdote

>>714970724
They're slowly getting there. I remember seeing the bigscreen beyond 2 and thinking "holy shit that is tiny". Never tried it though so idk how good it is.

Serious question, is good if you have AGP?

>>714975056
>>714975313
It's probably a "study" where they ignore the possibility of dysgenic freaks because it isn't pc. They start out with a problem then focus in on a correlation when in reality it could be any number of factors diet, exercise, again genetics.
This is why people believe in flat earth because mainstream research is nearly as retarded.

>>714966179 (OP)
she cute.

>>714975238
who has invested 100s of billions in to it? Oh yeah, Meta, who did it benefit outside of meta?

>>714975238
Because getting off their ass is too big of a challenge for 99% of gaymers apparently

>>714969070
>can't FULLY immerse
I argue the opposite; that it fails because it's more difficult than traditional vidya to just pick up and play. VR should be an accessory to or extension of traditional flatscreen gaming and gamepad controls should always be included as an option in VR games for those who prefer it as opposed to being pigeonholed into some special Wii remote wagglefest niche that gets old VERY quickly.
>UEVR
Not easy to set up for casual laypeople who just want to game to relax and have fun.

>>714969837
You're thinking of the wii. Cyberpunk on switch 2 actually captures some of the whacky wiimote stuff like aiming by pointing and reloading by twisting your hand.

>it literally just feels like you've strapped a screen one inch away from your head.
That's because you have.
Anyways, we've all moved on from the Index. The Big Screen Beyond 2 is where VR is currently at.

>posts VR is shit and dead
>only tried an index and a Quest
lol

Imagine shilling for BSB2 when there's no non-shill reviews for it yet.

>>714969726
It was truly impressive how Valve just nailed their first VR title, creating the perfect guide for other devs to copy them... to which no one ever did and HLA remains the only VR game actually worth playing.

>>714978807
what controllers do you use?

>>714966179 (OP)
I actually find them pretty immersive asside from the fact that it makes your head feel lopsided. Might invest into one of those counter weight battery packs.

>>714978952
On one hand, fair point, on the other hand, I think BSB2 is a safe bet. Many preferred BSB1 over Index already, and BSB2 promises a lot more. I'm willing to believe they'll fuck something up, but I think the time has finally come to move onwards from Index, even if only for OLED colors/blacks and lightweight structure.

>>714971352
>Imagine a technology so unnatural that it should not be used on children because it negatively affects brain development.
Why should I care? I'm in my 30s I don't give a shit about the effects VR use has on children
Also every little thing from sugary foods to non-VR electronics has a negative effect on brain development in children, guess I should give up all of that and live the luddite life

>>714969070
I'm only really using mine as a tv replacement. I think the movie watching experience is an underrated feature.

>>714979005
Depends which headset I use.
For more gamey games, you can't get around the fact that they're improved by having joysticks and A + B. So the Valve Index are the best compromise between accurate hand tracking and having a gameplay.
The Vive Focus 3 has native hand tracking which feels REALLY nice, but the lack of actual buttons is quite limiting.

I played ZOE2 in VR... Shit was so fun

>>714967726
Real VR doesn't exist.

>>714969070
You can buy a decent VR headset used for cheap now. Quest 2's are dirt cheap and even if you don't want to spend a lot of money you can buy it piece by piece for super cheap over like a couple of months or a few weeks.

We are currently at stage 3.

>>714975373
VRChat is catnip for furries and trannies. Your AGP will be reinforced well beyond the point of parody.
>>714978961
Zuckerberg fucked game development by enticing all the devs to create shitty shovelware games for the standalone Quest platforms.

All about the game. VR2 is great man, No Man’s Sky, as janky as it is, should only be played in VR2

>>714970724
Nearly the only reason you even have iron sights in modern games is because they function as a "walk" button for your camera controls on dual analog setups, enabling controllers to swap between being unbearably slow and unbearably inaccurate. You can easily forgo that kind of thing when using VR controls on a flat screen.
>>714971352
The first obstacle to the popularization of VR is that you can't really show it all too well on TV.
>>714975238
For what it's worth it's outpacing Xbox.
>>714978107
>gamepad controls should always be included as an option
The sheer garbage fire that is "controls in VR" could definitely use an overhaul. Not having button remapping is what killed the Wii.
>>714978961
They couldn't really compete with the sheer scope of Zuck's anti-marketing for VR. It shouldn't be too hard for official VR conversions to exist for popular titles, but not only is the most widely known (to retards) VR thing (Meta's Second life bullshit) complete ass, but it wasted a lot of money, so managers view VR porting as difficult, expensive and not worth it.
>>714980097
>Waiting for Deckard
We're at stage 4.
>Good games
There aren't good games on anything.

>>714982004
>Waiting for Deckard
I've watching my friend's Index headset slowly deteriorate, and he's been holding out for Valve to release the new headset.
They're definitely taking their sweet fucking time.

Just woke up from being passed out drinking in VRChat after hosting family all weekend. It's better than real life bars and concerts. Two drinks at a rooftop bar in a big city with people too caught in their own friend groups to socialize costs more than a handle of Morgan and six hours in a public lobby, beating smug women in pool and pounding pints and shooting shit with randoms who are actually my age and actually relate to by the virtue of being in a public VRC lobby, like God intended.

>>714966179 (OP)
now wheres that one post i saw about schizos not falling for optical illusions

It's a catch 22 issue. Nobody wants to buy into vr because there's very few vr games, and because of that few vr games are made as well, let alone good ones that make buying into it worthwhile.

>>714966179 (OP)
I felt present for the first few weeks, but then it was as u describe, and i think it's the fact you have to slide to move anywhere unless you buy those dumb omnidirectional treadmills and play with it outside like a weirdo. also unless it's just me, i think the interpolation the quest 2 uses sucks ass, turning my head is smooth but any moving objects look as if they're running at 15 frames

Try Rez Infinite

>Tempted to get BSB2
>know that as soon as I get it Valve will finally reveal Deckard officially and I'll feel like an idiot for not waiting

>>714987406
From all of the news so far, Deckard looks like an attempt of snatching some of the standalone VR market + building a portable machine for flat vidya on a big screen inside headset. BSB2 is probably a safer bet for people who want a good wired PCVR. Then again, if there's any company that randomly drops absolute miracles or trash, it's valve.

Or at least such was my cope when I've preordered a BSB2. If Deckard turns out to be something better, oh well, I'll have two headsets and waste some money.

pretty happy with my 512gb quest 3
still waiting for deckard

>>714987778
I will probably still just wait it out, I mostly only play modded FO4 and some other shooters semi-frequently with my Index right now and it still works just fine.
>>714987932
Quest 3 was also in my crosshairs last Black Friday when it was $200 off but I was still like 'but Deckard soon right?'

>>714987778
My expectations for the Deckard are exactly this:
>Standalone headset, hybrid between Deck and Index
>Updated Valve knuckle controllers
>Wireless PCVR connection
>Eye tracking (helps with optimization)
>Inside out tracking for controllers and potentially hands
>Overall better specifications than the Index, but not quite matching the top of the line headsets
>Sold at a loss (but still pretty expensive)

>BSB2 will still probably be the better headset in terms of pure quality, but the Deckard will be the new king of value for money

The real cope is whether or not it comes with Half Life 3.

>>714966179 (OP)
>There is no sense of being "present" in a virtual environment at all
dumb nigga probably used google cardboard or project labo.

I'm actually a pretty big critic of VR since there are VERY few compelling reasons to go through the hassle and jank of setting up a HMD / cable management / hardware babysitting, but any headset made since 2020 feels very immersive. Unfortunately there's no compelling game / killer app to even mildly interest me in using the HMD. VR is and continues to be DoA because of a lack of software, not because of hardware.

>>714975373
>no chastity cage
why even bother

>>714990273
I think you can partially blame the hardware side of things (though I guess part of that is still software, just not games and stuff).
The ecosystems being so locked down that you need to get a new set of controllers with practically every new headset outside of the SteamVR lighthouse ecosystem is pretty bad and the locked down Android spins for the standalone headsets are also awful and limiting.

>>714966179 (OP)
lolmoron