Thread 714968525

VISIONARY INDIE DEV SAVES VIDEOGAMES

Oh yeah this whiny faggot.
>why didn't my modestly successful game get MORE money?! I deserve to be as popular as the big ones just because
If your drive is for pay and not passion, you are a soulless drone.

>>714969717
In some ways I see what they're getting at, although it does make them pretty pretentious for it.

Basically they wanted people to show they were willing to pay for a game that embraces qualities that they personally think video games need to rediscover as a medium and the fact people didn't is an insult to the stuff we grew up with in the 90s, when video games were still "good".

>>714968525 (OP)
>visionary
>mimic styles from the golden age of gaming and use it to inject your ideological subversion into the mass consciousness

>>714968525 (OP)
Which game is the bottom right one

>>714970967
Celeste is good. Cope.

>>714971828
Spikeslop

>>714972162
gudlet

>>714972193
IWBTG made your genre obsolete 20 years ago

>>714972446
>trial and error meme-FOMO game from 2007
Meatboy is what IWBTG wanted to be.

i cant even understand what this is meant to be talking about
i think that's a good thing?

>>714971517
Garbanzo Quest

Man there's like six anti indie game threads now, who pissed off the schizo this time

>>714974071
This one is specifically about 1 guy that has the ego of Phil Fish but none of the creative ideas or bad attitude to go with it.
He's like store brand unbuttered white bread but expected to be treated like restaurant quality garlic bread, and thus decided to piss, moan, and double down on his lack of ideas by making yet another roguelite twinstick shooter.
He quit his job for this. Fucking idiot.

>>714974071
Deltarune threads probably, but the existence of bog standard 2D pixel to some invalidates other indie games as a whole. So it's also just optimal shitpost fuel to claim everygame is Nidhogg 1 (simplistic pixel slop) or Nidhogg 2 ('woke'/ugly pixel art), as an example of a false dichotomy, when that's not even a notable fraction at this point.

There are more indie games than NES + SNES games combined now, not everything is a Vania/Tale clone. Those are just saturated genres that capitalized on said games to begin with. We're at the point where we're getting even more Throwback-FPS games, 3D action/Souls games, Tony Hawk clones and so on.

Indie is antithetical to, "there's nothing 'new' to play" fags, because there's quite literally something new every month now, maybe even every week.

>>714968525 (OP)
You fags are getting real uppity about originality, inspirations, and homages in indie games lately.

>>714971828
Sure, so is Undertale, or that FOTM "Dream BBQ" game people were so giddy for until they weren't...

>>714974567
There are users here that believe in Romantic Originality to a point where they think all the games they liked in the past were not derivative of the media surrounding the landscape at all.

>>714974790
>These singleplayer games had a beginning and end....why did they le die
Yeah, and Palworld is just a FOTM game, that is still talked about nearly TWO YEARS after release. Retard, people are still replaying Castle Crashers and Isaac. People still probably replay Undertale in anticipation for Deltarune, Dream BBQ's discussion came and went and that's healthy. What isn't healthy is having spam last longer than the content would justify, leading into /vg/ autism.

>>714973126
Zagawee, a Zoomer who quit his job to make games, thought he could achieve success without marketing or talking much about his game. Then fucked up and blame the industry/algorithm about how he failed.

Frankly, his first game, Garbanzo Quest IS fun and I really liked it, he is now making a roguelike called Super Debt and ngl, it looks a bit shit, he seems to think by just slapping a roguelike tag will help him sell more units.

>>714974790
Undertale mentioned
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>>714974567
You like watching your favorite medium in a death spiral?

>>714968525 (OP)
his game looked alright honestly
i still would not have bought it even if it had been brought to my attention in a less negative manner

There's something about entitled indie devs who believe they will be the next Undertale that is funny when they utterly fail and blame everything else but themselves

>>714975643
It's okay if you want to shit talk about Thor, you're in good company.

>>714975043
>missed the point
See >>714970967

>>714976021
Thor, This guy, the guys the Balatro dev was shilling for.

>>714975354
Devs are making games I enjoy playing.

>>714976391
>I have low standards and am sufficiently demoralized to ideological subversion

>>714976040
Every piece of media is derivative, ESPECIALLY videogames.

>>714976576
What’s the alternative? Should devs stop making games within genres with established conventions? Should we stop liking recurring tropes and elements? Or is this about graphics?

>>714976754
>>714977006
>still missing the point

>>714977620
If you're hung up on the former part of your post-
> ideological subversion
that's not applicable to every indie, especially if story/narrative is an afterthought for many.

>>714968525 (OP)
I don't recognize anything on the right side of that image

>>714977708
>that's not applicable to every indie
Stage 4: Normalization.

>>714977854
Dumbass, it's already the status quo in AAA, if anything Indie gives more leeway for choices that DON'T have that. But again, you're hung up on the popular and performative, and not other games that are also popular and objectively good.
That's called being a disingenuous faggot.

>>714977708
What ideological subversion? Gay shit? Is Garbanzo Quest woke?

>>714978051
I'm talking to the anon that made that claim >>714976040
>>714970967

what's this phenomenon called when someone just hates videogames but thinks they're more impassioned about it than everyone else. it's like they played SMW when they were 8 and act like they're the most important person in the room.

>>714978041
>it's already the status quo in AAA
Because the social engineers found the inDEI ideological subversion a good angle to support their own agenda.
>Indie gives more leeway for choices that DON'T have that
As long as you're not being "toxic," or if you are, doing it on a dead, never-updated game like TF2.
>>714978051
>What ideological subversion? Gay shit?
Yes, that's part of it.

>>714978430
>As long as you're not being "toxic," or if you are, doing it on a dead, never-updated game like TF2.
What indie games are you playing, that are live-service multiplayer games? Please be bait.

>>714978514
You people have a supreme ability to miss the point. It's almost like it's on purpose...

>>714978430
Man I found politics and ideology interesting in my 20s, but it feels so much better to just let go in my 30s. Just the same shit over and over. All mental masturbation in the end.

>>714977006
Demand better

>>714978707
Yeah, I guess it is best to "let go" now, four years out from the Operation Warp Speed bioweapon being deployed. Almost six if you count the viral form of it...

>>714978798
>scream into the void

>>714978705
Your point is-
>indies are injecting ideological subversion
I respond
>some but not all
and your retort was-
>WELL it's being "Normalized"
Which is niggerlicious in two areas. 1). performative, subversive games, are again the standard. You can't be subversive when the mainstream are doing what you're doing, meaning your conforming, not subversing.
And 2). You never list examples, and the ones that come to mind are like a handful in a sea of thousands of games in dozens of different genres.

All you can do is say is, "missing the point" and when you aren't you won't iterate or go further like we should just get it, which is autistic.

>>714968525 (OP)
>>714969717
That video pissed me off because I've played a couple of YouTuber games (that aren't vaporware) that are actually quite good and they weren't pretentious fucks about it.
Maybe releasing a scrimblo bimblo pixelslop platformer in an oversaturated market is not that good of an idea?

>>714978994
>You never list examples
>>714974790, which is a response to a post mentioning Celeste. I could also bring up Disco Elysium, Undertale's allegedly more ambitious spinoff Deltarune, AAA slowly putting the woke away in favor of goonslop...
>You can't be subversive when the mainstream are doing what you're doing
The subversion is at the public, not the industry.

>>714980440
So are those the majority of indies, or a handful?
>inb4 normalizing goalpost move

>>714980280
>look up his video
>he straight up says he made the game look bad because pizza tower "looks sloppy"
jesus christ

>>714980685
At this point, yes, it's so normalized that listing them all would be better served by linking to Steam's homepage. And with how influential those games are on the normalfag remains of gaming culture as a whole, would you be surprised?
>goalpost move
Keep grasping, those straws will get you to float eventually.

>Indieshit has the same problem as Moeslop anime does
It took you this motherfucking long to finally notice?

>>714970967
I know this is bait but like
>mimicing styles from the golden age of gaming is bad! mimicry bad! things better back then!

>>714981967
It's also easy as fuck to go into gamemaker/rpgmaker and make an earthbound clone in general, still compared to EVERY indie out there, it not the majority. Palworld, Spark the Jester, Fight Knight and things of that nature aren't sending a message on anything, I'm sure you can pull up Gone Home, Undertale, Lisa and say "yup, that's indie as a whole" in 2015, but now most devs have access to Godot, Unity, UE and other shit.

Risk of Rain, Isaac, Minecraft, Palworld, Terraria might vary in [genreslop] but they aren't making a statement and are also influential. If there's an oversaturation in Indie, I'd rank it H-games/VNs > walking sims > Gamemaker RPGs.

>>714982148
>I know this is bait
Funny how you can "know" something that's not true...
>pic
It's one thing to use references for assets. It's another to copy the aesthetic of an era you were barely, if ever, alive for to push your demoralizing, "progressive" agenda.

>>714982667
I don't think Kojima was a veteran of Nam or lived in Futuristic Neo-America to push his 'war is bad' messaging.

>>714982667
>Funny how you can "know" something that's not true
Anon I'm trying to respect you as a human being here by assuming you're acting maliciously and aren't just a retard, don't ruin it for me

After seeing how the videogame industry is by threads on /pol/ I think we can all safely agree that is a jewish leed kerfuffle, used to demoralize young White males, but the other, final red pill about videogames is that they will never be as good as other forms of media due to its own reiterative nature and the world wouldn't change too much in its absence. You need to find a better hobby, NOW