I have no respect for the bandwagoning revisionists who try to convince me this is a bad game.

>>714985650 (OP)
It was rushed but the glitches and oddities that came from that only make it more fascinating and fucked up to explore. Wonderful game, definitely the precursor to Banjo-Tooie in a lot of ways.

>>714985650 (OP)
I never beat it

>>714985650 (OP)
nortubel is a better game

>>714985650 (OP)
>revisionists who try to convince me this is a bad game.
It was seen as a bad game at the time as well.

>>714986079
Objectively false.

>>714985650 (OP)
Why do I get the feeling Nintendo will put this on NSO around the same time Bananza comes out or a month after it? Yes I’m going by the leak.

>>714986079

DK64 is a good game but with an asterisk. It would've been better if every kong had their own dedicated world.

>>714986456
I hope so. It'll make my dad really happy because we used to play N64 together all the time, and this is my favorite. He's planning to buy a Switch 2 because of all the older games included in NSO. He asked me if DK64 was on there, and I told him not yet but they're always adding more. He's excited to play Banjo-Kazooie again though. I already ordered him an N64 controller for when he gets his console.

>>714985650 (OP)
Based, I love DK64, revisionist faggots are probably the reason Nintendo haven't put the game on NSO already.

>>714985650 (OP)
It was a bad game back in the day.

>could never figure out how to beat the dragonfly boss as Chunky
>eventually just gave up and clipped through the giant rock in the islands ear to get into the level beating the dragonfly would have unlocked
To this day I still don't know what Im supposed to do to beat him. People keep saying "just go big and hit him" back when I was a kid but I literally did that and chain stunned the fuck and yet the lava always got me.

>>714986079
No it wasnt lmao. How old are you? same with sunshine. None of my buddies ever said it was bad in any way.

>>714985650 (OP)
Who asked?

Only thing that holds me back from replaying it is the camera.

>>714985650 (OP)

>>714985650 (OP)
It's not BAD, but it certainly isn't nearly as fun as the DKC games. Not only is it slow, but it has a heavy handed use of bonus games and the collection gets tedious towards the end. The bosses also aren't nearly as fun, too easy compared to other games even in the same genre. Imagine having to play fucking Rocket Ship AND DK Arcade to fight against the final boss. Makes me want to puke before going back and playing it again.

>>714987258
You're supposed to keep clocking him with the basic three-punch combo as fast as you can. I had the same problem originally, couldn't figure it out either.
The following level is possibly the worst one in the game.

>>714985650 (OP)
it was fun when you were a child

>>714986687
Only review that ever mattered back then was EGM and they said it was mediocre with way too much doodad collecting.

>>714986079
I 100%'d it on release and knew it was instantly worse than Banjo Kazooie, DK 94, and DKC. The most fun I had was being fucking annoying with Lanky in multiplayer

>>714988146
Google AI says im supposed to keep using his power punch bit knock him into walls? Maybe as I kid I just kept spamming and didn't actually do that.

>>714987258
you have to do chunky's special punch, that should be enough
normal attacks don't work

>>714988340
You hit him while he's standing at the corner of the arena near the fire moat. I have no idea what wall it's talking about.

>>714986079
nintendies didn't have any standards back then as N64 was starving for any games
thats why you saw even turds like Hercules or Quest 64 getting praised.

>>714988465
I never saw Quest 64 getting praised, it was pretty universally disliked.

I think Beaver Bother is fun desu

>>714988465
Hey look guys, it's the anti-nintendo schizo.

>>714987906
Pick up the extra banana later. Do other stuff with Tiny while you have her out. You don't have to pick up everything in that order.

Shit game or not, the boxing fight with K.Rool was kino.

>>714988836
Or how about throw out the worthless padding?

>>714988938
Yeah, make it so you can just press A and then you beat the game.

DK64fags will tell you the tag anywhere mod fixes it but then you play it and realize the game was actually just boring all along.

>>714985650 (OP)
It's amazing with instant Kong swap. Vanilla is just too tedious for me.

>>714989089
You've fallen back on strawman quite quickly. Do you not have an argument?

>>714985650 (OP)
>>714987906
>>714988836
>>714988938
>>714989089
this thread feels awfully familiar

>>714989109
Not a single part of the game was boring, faggot, flawed? Yes, frustrating? Mayhaps, but never boring.

>>714985650 (OP)
Brother, I have never liked DK64 outside of the silly rap, quality character animations, and occasional multiplayer. I didn't need a youtube essay to tell me the gameplay sucks.

>>714988930
There's plenty of Rareware charm in the game if you can slog through the experience for those nuggets of gold. I fucking love the tag barrel animations.

A game is allowed to have issues and still be good. People are ridiculous about this stuff.

I NEED BANANA
TASTY BANANA
PUT BANANA IN MY MOUTH
SQUEEZE THE PEEL
IT COMES IN DENIM

>>714993617
Thanks for stopping by Derich

DK64 is the perfect example of bigger not always being better. Shit is padded as all hell. You can even see the beginnings of this back in DKC3.

>>714993617
Watching that playthrough live was such a highlight of an otherwise botched semester in grad school (university's response to covid reduced the quality of my courses drastically). I knew from the start that it would be a shitshow.

>>714987408
>cubie zoomer trying to lump his shovelware in with dk64
shitshine is objectively dogshit and it was always known

>>714993617
Unironic kino
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQdNwyB7Z54

>>714987906
obsessed completionists deserve to be messed with.

>>714988146
This

>>714988389
Wrong

>>714988340
>>714988453
When the boss stomps on the stage and the platform starts sinking, it's faster and more time efficient to do a bunch of basic 3 hit combos instead of winding up a couple primate punches. Ask any speedrunner and they'll say the swme. Damage output is weird in DK64. You can kill the Kasplats with the final hit of a second 3hit combo after stunning them normally. Google AI is full of shit also
>a.i.

>>714985650 (OP)
You know what its not the banana medals or the 200 bananas that bug me, its the fucking boss doors

>>714985650 (OP)
There are connoisseurs of this game, thankfully

>>714989109
The tag anywhere mod fixes DK64.
You can download it here:
https://github.com/Isotarge/dk64-tag-anywhere

>>714994076
the size is good. What's really the problem is it just kind of wastes your time.
There's two parts of the game: getting to the part of the level where you complete a challenge for a banana, and then the actual challenge.
The game pointlessly elongates the first part, for no real reason.
The actual challenges are pretty good on the whole. it really is the bloat that's the problem,

>>714987408
As a child (the target audience, mind you), I was very much just taken in by the adventure, and the fact that you could be so many characters, and go so many places.
The problems with the game are very much a hindsight thing.

I hated this game so much as a kid I let my neighbor borrow it and I only showed up to help him beat the arcade donkey kong game because he was filtered.

>>714993550
Agreed. DK64 isn't good.

>>714998330
you may not speak positively of video games on the /v/ - miserable faggots- board

>>714987408
well MY friends said it was bad and I was born in 1898 so I'm older than you and therefore i win

Tell me I'm not the only one who has seen this same exact poster make this same exact thread at at least twenty times before this. That or DK64 apologists all talk and act like children.

>>714985650 (OP)
I have so many fond memories of playing this as a kid, I liked it even more than Mario 64. These are children's games, I don't care if it was deemed as objectively bad by a bunch of manchildren years later.

>>714998170
>turning the game into knockoff Majora's Mask
at least pair that mod with the Helm Hurry mode to make it more authentic, filthy casual

>>714985650 (OP)
The bandwagon revisionists are the ones saying it's good, actually.

>>714985650 (OP)
based, they weren't there to experience it

>>714998721
Imagine approaching a children's game, from the point of view of a child? Crazy, right?
I bet I could show this my kids right now, and they would be into it. All they do in games is run around in circles anyway.

When the FUCK is this getting decompiled?

>>714990920
I disagree. A vast amount of the content was inputing some context-sensitive ability that doesn't actually do anything fun or interesting, just removes moves a roadblock. Wow, now I can... pull levers? Wow, now I have an... even stronger ground pound? Wow, now I have the ability to... shoot switches like everyone else? Yep, they all do more or less the same shit. It's a lot like a ubisoft game, spread a little content out as wide as possible to extend the playtime.

>>714986456
I'm guessing after so nothing else takes attention away from Bananza's launch.

>>714987906
tbf, i do think brit devs are regularly messing with players just for a laugh in the office, i do think they genuinely think "yea, retards will actually play through this lmao" "yea, they'll actually do this gay arbitrary challenge and they'll be seething but they'll do it lads"

and before you say i'm schizo, keep in mind runescape devs have literally talked about doing exactly this kind of shit and having a laugh in the office

>>714999009
>Imagine approaching a children's game, from the point of view of a child?
That's fine, I just wish you'd approach discussion from the point of view of a mature adult.

>>714999215
Trying to seriously analyse the game design of DK64, like some big brain youtuber, outs you as something of a manchild yourself.
Obviously it's not going to be all that magical to you, Mr middle aged man, who hates video games, and only keeps playing them out of spite.

>>714999331
See, this is exactly what I'm talking about.

>>714987078
You dad seems really cool anon! Keep that relationship strong with him!

>>714987906
>he takes Tiny through a green tunnel
you get what you deserve
>he actually swaps out the character 3 times, hell bent on getting all the bananas right now
holy retard, all the way in level 5 and you're playing the game wrong

>>714986456
I’m honestly kind of shocked so many people think this is real when fucking Forsaken 64, an M-rated game, is next to fucking DK64 and Glover.

>>714999536
Or how about throw out the worthless padding?

>>714999591
You fundamentally misunderstand the game. You get a banana medal for every 75 bananas. There's 100 bananas for each character. The most bananas you need to fight the boss is around 300. That webm highlights some very inefficient playing from an obsessive compulsive 100% gamer.

>>714985650 (OP)
I never beat this game as a kid because asking children to beat the original DK arcade game with no continues on the n64 controller - twice - was just too much and so I can pretty definitely say this game is a piece of shit even before all the more esoteric complaints about using one kong to open a door and then walking 10 feet and needing a second kong to open a second door so you walk back 30 feet to find a barrel to swap

>>714999720
Actually I 101%'d the game. I understand it just fine.

>>714999726
Only issue with DK Arcade is that you have to redo the cutscene to retry when you lose. You actually get a continue for every 10,000 points. Compare that to Jetpac, where you can retry with no cutscene.

>>714999720
>inefficient
There's no other way to get that banana than to make a dedicated trip back. Completing a game is supposed to be fun. I thought you liked fun? Unlike the rest of us game-hating old men on /v/, right?

>>714985650 (OP)
I have no respect for people who claim that any sort of criticism is bandwagoning

>>714999781
Bullshit, you can beat this game at around 50% completion. You can't even understand the game, I cannot imagine how ass that playthrough of yours was.

>>714999992
>you can beat this game at around 50% completion
And I beat it at 101% completion.

You just did the bare minimum?

Do you... not like this game?

>>714999871
Best way to do Fungi Forest is to take each kong through a colored tunnel once. Pro tip is to scope an entire level out the best you can with an initial character.

It's only bad if you try and %100 it.

>>715000098
I've played it four times, thanks. You're not a pro.

>>715000076
I love the game, but I'm not gonna Bother with Beaver Bother, lol. Everyone knows the hit boxes are messed up, not worth the hassle.

dk64 has an explicit reward for 100% completion with the bonus post credits cutscene so saying you don't have to do it makes about as much sense as saying you can just noclip past bad levels in a video game to play the fun ones.

ie "sure, but I would rather the whole game was good instead of pretending otherwise"

>>715000198
>filtered by Beaver Bother
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSKLe3Q0JgY

>>714999331
Not him, but plenty of us had issues with the game back then. That sentiment just wasn't being amplified by shitty youtubers and retards who don't actually play games. I would never sit any child that I care about in front of DK64 when the game is practically shovelware compared to games like Super Mario 64 and Banjo-Kazooie. Hell, the game is easily mogged by just about any 3D Mario game, and kids would probably rather sit in front of those games to begin with.

What if you got to epstien island and it was just a big epstien head complete with the dk isle song playing 24/7?

>>714999331
Adults like to have conversations about things that interest them. Are you not interested in DK64?

>>715000357
At least there'd be nice music.

I'm actually playing through it for the first time right now. People say "it's only bad if you 100% it" like that one anon literally just did but I'm finding 100%ing it more enjoyable than just getting base completion, there are fewer colored bananas around so finding them feels better and there's less constant switching just to clean areas up.
Also forcing the player to beat two levels of OG arcade donkey kong just to get base completion for no reason other than just to filter thousands of toddlers is funny as fuck.

>>715000653
It bothers me that I hear way more complaints about that arcade section than other genuinely annoying and unfun shit.

>>715000824
>Beaver Bother
For me, it's having to play this fucking game yet another time.

>>715000961
easy as fuck
>>715000332

Holy shit you dk64 apologists are retarded. I liked the game too but you’re being disingenuous trying to gloss over the slew of problems this game had.

How about this, I want to see one of you genuinely, GENUINELY- try and defend that last 2 arcade coin gate right before the final boss.

>>714999331
the idea that, if you analyze or, especially, criticize any artwork it means that you're jaded and inherently hate it is so bizarre to me, i truly believe you can only think like this if you're extremely emotionally stunted or a woman (same thing)
critique of art is appreciation, it's deeply cultured and as old as time itself, but i wouldn't expect uncultured plebeian swine to understand

Why does nobody ever bring up how fucking miserable Crystal Caverns was? Do players often stop playing at Fungi Forest (as they should)?

>>714999009
virgin

>>715001059
Even when it works, it's one of the least fun challenge barrels in the game.

>>715001552
Perhaps, though I personally dislike the stealth missions more.

>>715001406
I hated that spinning maze with the Golden banana in the center. It was the absolute last thing I got in the game for full completion. I'll revisit the game when it gets added to NSO but I'm almost definitely not going to 101% the game.

>>714985650 (OP)
This never got a ton of love and was never talked about compared to other platformers at the time. The idea that it was secretly really loved and popular is ironically the revisionist history that people like you are trying to pretend was a thing.

>I didn't enjoy playing the game back then
>wrote a review on some shitty "pay-for-reviews" website
>literally use the phrase "what were they thinking."
I know a lot of people liked it at the time but it never clicked with me. A little bit later, I found most people decided it was great and now I look like a contrarian because I just didn't like playing it.

I DARE YOU TO DEFEND THIS CHEATING FAGGOT GOD DAMN

Didn't you have to do this part like three times because they needed more golden bananas for all your god damn monkeys to collect?

>>714988930
I never finished the game but every boss I fought felt very epic.
It's a sluggish game with some good moments.

>>715001121
Jetpack is easy as piss and what kind of gamer cant handle arcade dk?

>>715002840
NTA but I was great at arcade DK and especially DK'94 but the version you play in DK64 just felt off, absolute garbage. I remember being incredibly frustrated, picking up my Gameboy Color and having zero issue.

>>714987078
jewtendo of course will support this..

>>714985650 (OP)

it is an objectively bad game

>>715002125
Near the end, you can hit him and slow him down, winning the race. The second race is easier.

>>715001121
The games one flaw is also its greatest strength. You can noclip through walls if you attack them at an angle, allowing you to speed run the game like a motherfucker.

>>714999572
Nintendo has internal testing apps for games we never even got like Pac Man on NES. They wouldnt care grouping together M rated and E rated games for testing.

Genuine improvements to the game's core design:
-limit the amount of times you can switch between characters in each level before you have to come back way later
-add a map that shows the collectibles you've seen on it
-warp pads allow you to choose which warp you want to warp to, even across and between levels
-animal transformation uses crystal coconuts
-cutscene skip

>>715002125
not even the biggest cheating faggot in a rare game

>>715002125
Skill issue, beat him first try

>it's good if you can swap at any time
Most retarded argument. Maybe just make a mental note of a different colored banana and come back on the way when you do play as the character. These OCD retards probably go back home after every errand then go back outside instead of just doing them all while you're out

>>714986687
>27/40
>good score
lmao

>>715010740
>Always looking at the worst score
Game was a 90 in Metacritic, why is /v/ like this?

>>715010698
This argument is like saying to just use efficient leveling in Oblivion. Yeah you could do it, maybe it makes the game a bit less tedious at the expense of being a bit more unintuitive and having to keep constant mental track, but why not just design the game to be fun in the first place?

>>714986164
Reviewers and journalists were whining about how there was too much shit to collect. To be fair it has a bunch of flaws. The barrel change system is clumsy. The rare coin and nintendo coin requirement halted the game to a standstill and should not have been a requirement to reach the final boss. Some minigames are absolute fucking dogshit. On some emulators even impossible because of the speed changes from hardware to emulation. I do have a soft spot for this game though. I have fond memories beating this game at the start of 3rd grade summer vacation

Never understood the appeal of this, or the Banjo games for that matter. You spend 90% of the time walking between the parts where you actually get to do something

>>715017516
The original Banjo wasn't like this.

Alright, I'm doing it. Wish me luck

>>715018497
You'll be surprised how many golden bananas were really just as simple as "press button get banana" without having to go back to a barrel.