Thread 715004724

holy shit it's not dead...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oK5Nr1VtJ9Q

>>715004724 (OP)
so there are guns.
removed from wishlist.

>>715004724 (OP)
Man they really don't know their target audience. The trailer could have been the player diving into a very dark part of the sea, hearing scary sounds and then being attacked by a leviathan. Instead they only show faggy environments full of glowing bullshit.

She looks massively improved. Has to be the actual reason why a particular ((audience)) is screeching.

>>715004724 (OP)
>that music
just why?

>>715005914
please understand, previous good composer did a wrongthink on xitter and we had to get rid of him, please enjoy bottom shelf soundcloud zoomnigger rap beats from Lil'$sm3gma_xxx

>>715004724 (OP)
Do we even care at this point?

chuds won

>>715004724 (OP)
i have a bad feeling about this.

i asked gpt to make a reddit user vetting script and all those with negative opinion towards this game were far left poltards according to the language they used in the comments. smells like a coordinated attack because they dropped dei and got rid of the useless figures.

>>715005914
>>715006170
>Fired pretty much everyone that made the first game memorable
>Delay the game and fuck over your employees
>The guy who released Callisto Protocol is in charge now
It's over

>>715006416
>>715005904
why are they white

So we aren't playing as the dude from the first game?

>>715005161
The first game had repulsor guns too.

>>715005904
They removed venti

i can't wait to play subnautica 2 in ue5 upscaled from 600p with 14x taa

>>715005904
The company that bought the studio recently fired the three lead designers and an exec took creative control over the game

>>715007330
they should have done it years ago
how this game took this long to even get to ea is nuts, and we all know it will sit in ea until 2030.

>>715006646
Let's not forget that the lead dev fired the guys who made the first game memorable because they were too right wing

and now that guy got fired and replaced too

Remember when videogames weren't about dancing around mentally ill trannies and communists?

>>715006492
same
below zero made it pretty clear that the og was a fluke, this trailer hasn't given me any hope at all

so how bad is it going to run, how glitchy is it going to be and how much of the appeal of the original are they going to completely ignore and make something that no one cares about?

>>715007558
Not really a fluke, it's just they jettisoned everyone that knew what the fuck they were doing.

its good new people took over, but the game being headed up by a callisto protocol producer doesn't give me much confidence.

>>715007721
OH IS THAT WHAT FUCKING HAPPENED?
DUDE IT'S FUCKING OVER THAT GAME WAS DOGSHIT

>>715005904
>>715006416
>no more goblinoposting
souless

>>715006752
>why are they white

Looks like Fortnite

>Game delayed purely so the kikes who bought then wont have to honor their contract and pay them.
>fire the founding devs
>devs who got fired say the game is ready for early access right now.
Holy fucking kek, serves them right

>>715007748
https://unknownworlds.com/en/news/subnautica-community-letter
yeah pretty much.

>One final thing we want to address, as we’ve seen some additional concerns about it: Nothing has changed with how the game is structured. It will remain a single-player first experience, with optional co-operative multiplayer. No subscriptions. No loot boxes. No battle pass. No microtransactions.
at least there's that, i guess. but i'm not going to hold my breath. they should get the old sound designer back.

>>715008008
It seems like a lot of studios were doing this during covid considering the state of modern games or even worse, NO GAMES.

>ea delayed to 2026
1.0 will be 2030 minimum

>>715007330
based business chads saving gaming

>>715004724 (OP)
There's a big fish in it, and the protagonists do not speak. I'm adding it to my wishlist

>>715008691
NOOOOO but the hecking devrino got scammed out of their 250 million bonus!!!
#BoycottKrafton
#Crapton

>>715009125
>make game with comically absurd evil corporations that screw over the little guys
>get screwed over irl by comically absurd evil corpo owner
why does it keep happening to these commie retards lmfao

>>715007330
Might be good idea. Below Zero is so fucking disappointing and shit

>>715007330
>three lead designers
The designers responsible for Below Zero, I'm assuming, in which case I don't know why they still had jobs to begin with.

>>715009453
nah the founders were replaced
>In July 2025, Krafton replaced Unknown World's CEO Ted Gill, as well as studio co-founders Charlie Cleveland and Max McGuire, with Steve Papoutsis.

>>715004724 (OP)
compare that dogshit music to 1's trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rz2SNm8VguE
firing the previous sound composer because he's not lefty enough killed the atmosphere

>>715009372
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCGXSs2loq4

>>715004724 (OP)
It better have scarier and more dangerous monsters than 1 or I am out. Unlike those pussies who mod spiders out of their games, I want my phobias TRIGGERED AT ALL TIMES.

>>715009802
>(in 2 minutes)
i can do it in 30 seconds:
the game is called subnautica below zero and they make you do huge sections ON LAND with a new vehicle you don't even need.

>>715006817
Why would we? He was just some wagie who got lucky enough to not get dropped ontop of a leviathan and didn't have his shitty lifepod fail on him like the rest did. It's canonical that he gets off the planet at the end and gets assraped by bills so he probably killed himself. It's not even the same planet in Subnautica 2 afaik.

>>715009365
>Get rid of subversive shitlibs
>Comically evil

>>715007330
>Papoutsis replaces the previous leadership team—Ted Gill, Charlie Cleveland, and Max McGuire—effective immediately
Charlie Cleveland and Max McGuire were co-founders of the studio who were part of Subnautica 1. Ted Gill seemed to worked on Below Zero
Not sure this fixes the problem, the director of below zero doesn't seem to be attached to 2 at least
>>715006817
this ain't taken, having him crash on another planet is kinda cheesy

>>715010016
anon they're making the game to appeal to a wide audience
you really think they're going to put really scary monsters in it?
ones that you'd have to use tactics and bait/decoys to actually get around them?
hah

>>715004724 (OP)
>@greekguy5767 1 hour ago
>Just wanna point this out. Its very possible the reason why the game was delayed to 2026, is because krafton didn't want to pay $250m bonus to unknown worlds developers, hence why they also fired the founders of UW. Plus one of the founders, Charlie Cleveland said that the game was ready for early access release today

>@latzulatzu5521 1 hour ago
>Let's drop a trailer so people won't talk about the 250million dollar bonus

>@amshoover 29 minutes ago
>give the team the 250 million dollar bonus
Everyone's talking about the bonus situation.

>>715010016
Virgin Arachnophobes
>Lame ass phobia
>crippling fear of incredibly common animal variety, most of which can't even hurt you, like literally just squish it bro
>picrel is a horror movie to those fags
>Have to mod out anything resembling a spider from their games, has a meltie when they realize they can't mod God's creations out of the earth
Chad Thalassophobe
>Perfectly valid phobia, humans weren't meant to enter the ocean
>The ocean itself can kill you in thousands of different ways, let alone the shit actually living in the water
>Actively seeks out marine based horror (Subnautica, Jaws, Stranded Deep, the Abyss, ect) because its thrilling as fuck
>Gargantuan Leviathan when so I can piss myself in fear and then conquer the mod

>>715010450
I know. IIRC they even "cartoonified" 1 from early drafts they were showing. I was so disappointed that their idea of a monster is a "dragon-squid"

they should pay me for the shit that was below zero

it's like they saw people loving the horror aspect, the cool mech, the comfy submarine and all that shit people enjoyed and asked for in Subnautica 1 and said, to all of these people, "FUCK YOU. WE HATE ALL THE THINGS YOU ARE ASKING FOR. HERE'S BELOW ZERO IT'S NOT ABOUT ANY OF THESE THINGS AND IT'S ONLY ABOUT THE SHIT YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT. FUCK. YOU."

>>715004724 (OP)
I loved the first game but man that trailer looks shit

Guess they are going all in on co-op instead of isolation in the deep

>>715011191

Trailer should have been exploring and seeing creepy shit in the distance.
I don't care about shitty base building.

>>715004724 (OP)
The focus on multiplayer, which no one cares about and no one asked for, clearly shows that they have no idea what made the first game good, also that music is absolutely dogshit

>>715011735
music and sound design sucks ass cos the first game's sound designer got cancel'd over old tweets

>>715004724 (OP)
Music is dogshit but the game itself looks decent so far.

>>715011984
>fire one of the core people to the first game's popularity
>get immediately fired by nexon
maybe karma really exists

looks more cartoony

>>715012023
some of the new submersible tools look neat, but no way im touching it in early access
even if 1.0 comes out and it was better than 1 I'd leave a negative review for the shitty music

>>715010043
i can do it in one word: indian

>>715012212
Yeah, I'm not optimistic about the game overall because what happened with the founders being fired is insanely bad for the game in the long run. Krafton WILL monetize the game with shitty micro-transactions or dripfed live service shit. It's absolutely inescapable at this point.

Why hasn't anyone tried making a better clone?

>>715004724 (OP)
All anyone cares about is MP.

>>715012340
Because it's hard.

>80% of the thread is STILL culture war and muh karma instead of gameplay discussion or observation
/v/ will never stop beating a dead horse huh

>>715012340
A bunch of people have tried making clones, they've all just failed. Breathedge was bad. Planet Crafter is really more of an idle game. Satisfactory just completely abandoned the entire exploration half of the game when they realized it was too much work.

>>715012321
The "founders" literally stole the entire game from someone else though, it was originally called FarSky and they ripped off the entire thing.

>>715012616
Sounds based to me.

I don’t see myself buying this game anymore, they’ve killed any interest I had in it. Also, the game is supposed to launch in early access, which means it’s not 100% finished? In that case, I can’t imagine any of the devs who were promised and denied a big cash bonus to keep working in a peaceful and happy environment

>>715012321
1.0's development was a fucking mess, i remember being on /v/ as the patches came out and people watching the roadmap getting further and further trimmed and the ice zone eventually being shelved for DLC, which then became an entirely separate game that was Below Zero
1 was lightning in a bottle and 2 looks like an imitation

>>715012616
>FarSky
This game looks pretty shit not gonna lie

>>715004724 (OP)
Can already tell I'll be disabling music as soon as the game launches.

>>715004724 (OP)
Just hoping there are more than 2 leviathans they actually look scary
unfortunately none of the teasers so far make them look intimidating at all

>>715012792
what's the matter anon *PHWOM* don't like *DUN DUN* your new electronic *CRASH* background music?

>>715012670
Charlie made them keep supporting Natural Selection 2 for like 5 years after it had gotten down to less than 200 concurrenct players. With him gone, yeah there's not really any guarantee anymore.

>>715012965
natural selection 2 was shit even at launch

>>715006416
Is there a term for this sort of behavior?
>I know we called you chuds and wanted you dead, but we're done feeding you a steady diet of niggers and women and will now go back to straight white men
It feels like they're trying to settle, y'know? Like in the classic use of the term, that "I'm done playing around and I want stability."

>>715012770
Far Sky is bare bones randomly generated collectathon that can be completed in an hour.
Played it 8 years ago, it is, in fact, shit.

>>715004724 (OP)
Why would it be dead? They fired the execs not the devs.

>>715012426
What gameplay is there to discuss? All they showed is the Peaceful Shallows equivalent and multiplayer base building.
Compare to the trailers for the previous 2 games.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93FtoHN0CTA
Granted these are trailers for the release versions, but the new Sub2 trailer does not give confidence that there is enough content even for early access. It's been 4 years since release version of Below Zero. What have they been doing since then? It seems like you're just supposed to be happy with make-your-own-fun multiplayer shenanigans.

>>715009453
>>715009672
Subnautica 1 was good despite the founders, not because of them

>>715013337
>It seems like you're just supposed to be happy with make-your-own-fun multiplayer shenanigans.
They made a game for Friendslop without understanding what Friendslop was.

>>715012340
they have tried
they all failed to make a better one
none of them put as much effort into the animations or sound design
little things like animations for construction and crafting that take time and make the experience feel more believable
getting the sense of movement and weight to feel right, rather than having the player move too quickly and having a sense of floatiness
subnautica is the only one that gets close

>>715013078
They were bought out, anon. The game changed hands. It's not like this is spontaneous.

The only thing I hated about subnautica was the fucking pop-ins while using the seamoth.

>>715004724 (OP)
>generic multiplayer zoomer game
subnautica was a fluke

>>715013078
there's no term for it yet but it's like how military ads started changing

>>715013354
I don't think that's true. Below Zero was basically the B team, the core group was all on Moonbreakers. I have no idea if that game was good or not, but it was never going to be a success regardless.

>>715004724 (OP)
hopefully they learned from below zero

>>715013508
agreed i played it in vr and thats all i could notice after a while

>>715013508
Yeah outside of it being an annoying crafting/survival game, that shit took me out of it too. It was really ugly in a lot of areas.

>>715013508
the optimization is pretty bad because it started out with fully deformable voxel terrain, then halfway through they decided to disable terrain deformation because it allowed players to skip story progression

Hope the devs sue those slimy korean fucks into the ground.

>>715004724 (OP)
Shitty trailer but the all the environments and gameplay elements look pretty damn good.
The only complaint I have is the stupid force field hatch.

>>715014375
The past decade has made me so tired of Europeans that I will happily defend Asians even when they're obviously in the wrong.

>>715014438
>look pretty damn good.
because they're exactly the same as 1?

>>715012340
Raft is a pretty good "Island Subnautica" and Forever Skies is a decent "Sky Subnautica".

>>715012340
because not a single one of them understand why people liked the original subnautica, not even its own creators.

>>715014676
>Raft is a pretty good "Island Subnautica"
Not really. That game has no exploration. Its 90% on rails and scripted.

>>715014438
>gameplay elements
What gameplay elements?
They scanned a fish, swam, and used a repulsor gun

>>715004724 (OP)
Honest opinions that nobody asked for;
>Jellyfish walking on the surface of the water
>Red notPeeper with large disc-like fins
>Symbiotic pair of fish that look like they're cut in half
>Frilled headbutting fish
>Some kind of predatory dunkleosteous/shark creature
>notCthulhu kraken thing
Interesting sea critters. Massive improvement over the shit in Below Zero at least.
>Fist jets
>Big seaglide that two people hold on to
>Something that seemed like a projectile launching sonic hammer
Neat tech.
>Female character has ass and normal hair
>Male characters don't look like they were given a swirlie in a toothpaste factory
Amazing upgrade to the shit we were stuck with before.
>Trailer music
On par with Below Zero's music so far. Not too happy there.

>>715004724 (OP)
>entire allure of the first game was the atmospheric exploration of the dark and lonely depths
>trailer is all wubstep/hiphop beats
Good to see they don't know what actually made the first game fun.

>>715014876
looks like a seamoth replacement with two outside handles for team mates rather than a seaglide

>>715004724 (OP)
>pushing coop HARD
they really dont get what made subnautica one so good, do they? Not even going to address the nigger situation, you can have your coop shit but dont push it up front in promo material for those that should be your target audience

>>715015205
Good point, it could be that.
>>715015265
Multiplayer is one of the features they advertised from the beginning. It is NOT mandatory for you to play with others; the option is simply there now. At least, that's what it sounds like. Hopefully it stays that way and doesn't end up being always online like a RUST server.

>>715014676
There's also Breath Edge for "Rick and Morty Subnautica".

I played Forever Skies in early access and found it interesting but lacking content. They barely did anything with the surface, which I through would be the equivalent of doing deep dives in Subnautica. I should check it out again now that it's fully released.

>>715014651
I mean, kind of.
The new fish look good, the new assumed seamoth is a damn site better than the seatruck. The way the building pieces fit together is clearly different. Looks like connection room modules now completely remove any internal walls.

>>715004724 (OP)
Didn't most of the art team for this game quit on the spot because one of their troon allies got super upset over the director telling them to draw a more attractive female? I'm surprised it's still being developed at all with basically no in-house content to work off of anymore.

I'll reserve judgement for when it comes out but it already looks way better than Below Zero.

>>715015978
I don't know about that, but during the buyout of the company, the original devs were promised a $250 million bonus if certain sales figures were met by the end of 2025
Then they announced Subnautica 2 was delayed until 2026, making the sales figure impossible to hit
Oh, and they fired all of the original lead devs

https://www.pcgamer.com/games/survival-crafting/subnautica-2-reportedly-delayed-into-2026-just-months-before-krafton-was-due-to-pay-a-usd250-million-bonus-to-developer-unknown-worlds/

>>715016421
>$250 million bonus if certain sales figures were met
Did Subnautica 1 even make $250 million?

>>715016648
Wiki says 5 million units sold in 2020, so... maybe $250 million in revenue overall?
I'm assuming that the new owners never intended to pay out

>>715016421
>the original devs were promised a $250 million bonus
>Oh, and they fired all of the original lead devs
Similar thing happened to Infinity Ward, Jason West and Vince Zampella bullied their way into tons of royalties for the MW2 engine which all CoD games have been using since, rights to MW were to IW, not Activision and big bonuses so long as both of them were still at the company. Activision fired them like two months after MW2 was released. Also they apparently faked fire drills in the hopes they'd leave their PCs unlocked to try to get dirt on their personal communications.

>>715007448
>and now that guy got fired and replaced too
They should have been the one to get fired over the previous guys that got fired to begin with.

>>715009802
Below Zero's development was also a mess. The story was rewritten multiple times. Before you crash landed while evacuating the alterra facility. Then it had a more mission based structure with you sending pods up to the sister who was in orbit. And alan was more of an adversary.
It was all received negatively and they completely scrapped it and rewrote the story a few months before the 1.0 release. If it feels like the story has little relation to the world and was hacked together on the quick, that's because it was.

>>715017235
This type of thing will pretty much always happen when a studio needs to double their size after initial success. There's simply not enough good devs in the world to fill all the spots needed.

>>715007330
improved

>>715004724 (OP)
There's a funny problem with this video. When the two red fish butt heads, their models get all kinds of fucked. Everything behind the shield clips forward like loosely draped cloth.

This might actually sell a trillion copies just from having multiplayer. I know not everything needs to be co-op slop but Subnautica was definitely the kind of game where it made sense.

>>715012340
People HAVE tried. Making an underwater environment isn't default UE5. Making compelling biologicals underwater even moreso.

I'd like to see the rainworld people take a shot at that sort of game.

>>715013078
>>715013572
Come up with a word for it. Some form of pandering?

>>715005501
its an actual gameplay trailer, not a teaser announcement, retard-kun.

>>715015370
>Multiplayer is one of the features they advertised from the beginning.
It means it was retarded from the beginning. Multiplayer makes huge differences in everything from engine to UI, to design. And for what?

>>715018459
So you can shit your pants with your friends. Simple as that. Being isolated in a hostile environment is scary, and having another person or two with you won't make it less scary. You'll shit your pants when you shit your pants, peanut gallery be damned.

>>715018185
doing a Jaguar
>European jaguar sales crashed by 97%

>>715004724 (OP)
>hip hop beats
Wishlist removed.

>>715004724 (OP)

From what I saw in the trailer there were different types of people present in the multiplayer aspect. Does this mean you can control who you play as? Possible even create a character?

>>715019182
I can't imagine it not having a character creator.

>>715004724 (OP)
>we want nigger audience

>>715016421
So they got Obsidian'd, except this timeI don't feel remotely bad for them

>>715010374
Nah, it's a huge improvement. All three were massive SJW eunuch/sissies.

Doesn't mean subnautica 2 will be good, but it does mean it has a chance at being good. The social justice eunuchs have proven beyond shadow of a doubt that they can't make money and hate their own customers

>>715016421
>the original devs
fired their composer because of a wrong opinion posted on twitter 10 years prior

>>715012340
I have yet to see any game or studio, including the subnautica guys, who even understand what was appealing about the game to begin with.

It was a lot of things kind of mixed together, the exploration, the survival mechanics, the sound design, the story, the environment just speaking to your soul

I think something a lot of them really fuck up is the lack of weight they give to the ecological side of things. Subnautica was interesting not just because of gameplay mechanics, but because it felt like an actual alien ecology and simply watching the wildlife exist was compelling (until the AI behaviours became too obviously formulaic and stupid).

And every single attempt I've seen at a new subnautica or subnautica-like game has completely ignored that. They all treat the wildlife as simple basic bitch mobs with 1/10th the effort put into them that subnautica had.

>>715024019
Sound guy legit did all the work.

>>715016421
This could not have happened to more deserving people

>>715024160
I think one of their artists did a lot of heavy lifting too. All the animal design inspiration seems to come from him. I think, but I'm not positive, he made that birrin race I've seen around?

From the subnautica 2 reel they just showed off, it looks like he's still working there, because the animal designs are looking pretty good.

>>715008691
>>715009125
>>715009365
Falseflagging commietranny

>>715014438
>The only complaint I have is the stupid force field hatch.
That's the only interesting thing you stupid queer

>>715005501
Plenty of light in the first game if you haven't played it.

>>715026268
Yeah but the areas with a lot of light were not exactly the game's high point. The game was at its strongest when you had to traverse large areas with weird sounds.

Then they made that spin-off game in the ice that was 99% light 1% dark

I am afraid that they might take Subnautica 2 in the same direction

>>715004724 (OP)
With the founders gone, who were ultra woketroons from Sodom (San Francisco), the game has a chance to be good. Hope Krafton can pull it off.

>>715006416
Literally the first thing that actually perked me up, they showed a white guy!

Oh and they went back to the original PDA voice instead of the sassy Indian from Below Zero.

Still
>Simon Chylinski still not back
>Main development team shitcanned for creative accounting reasons

After OG I was fully prepared to dive straight into 2 the moment they put out whatever Early Access or Kick Starter whatever. Hell, even after Below Zero not being as good I still had faith and would preorder 2 ASAP. Now all this bullshit? I don't know anymore.

>>715007330
>The company that bought the studio recently fired the three lead designers and an exec took creative control over the game

>"The sequel’s delay to 2026 was against the wishes of the studio’s former leadership, according to the people. The $250 million bonus was due to kick in if Unknown Worlds hit certain revenue targets by the end of 2025, according to the purchase agreement, which was reviewed by Bloomberg. By delaying Subnautica 2 into next year, the company is unlikely to hit those targets and therefore the employees may not be eligible for the payout, the people said."

>>715007330
>>715027760
Shouldn't have fired your sound designer, get fucked.

>>715004724 (OP)
This will sound stupid, but I worry they will focus entirely on the sim and building aspects. Part of what made Zero less than the original was the lack of feeling of
>Abandonment
>Mystery
Which fuelled the drive for exploration. I guess you can't just remake the original, but I do hope they find a way to at least invoke that feeling without simply swapping out the aliens of the original with new textures.

>>715027431
You got below zero that stars a nog? Man you zoomers and your niggerworship

>>715027760
Does anyone know if this shit is true or did everyone decide to spout fanfiction at the same time?

>>715018185
The Pander Pivot. The "call the white guy" problem solver. I.e. anyone who has worked with jeets knows when things go wrong, everyone just turns and stares at the lone whitey on the team and asks them how to fix it.

>>715005904
>game about the sea
>features fish people
kino

>>715024019
i liked green hell somewhat in its attempt to simulate the environment

>>715024019
That's what worries me too. Again, it sounds stupid, but I feel like a true sequel should be a whole different kind of planet/environment and a different mystery at it's core. I'm not sure how I feel about the co-op. The sense of being completely alone and needing to get home really drove the exploration for me in the first. The biggest problem with the first is that it was too short in that regard which meant you really didn't need to take advantage of all those elaborate builds.

>>715013078
God, it's a multiplayer game with multiple skins you fucking retard. Would it kill you to stop being an identity politics obsessed weirdo that's shoving this shit into games and making yourself upset for just 5 minutes

>>715027431
>I don't know anymore.

How the fuck do you live? Get some standards and stop burying objective trash