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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 11:06:29 AM No.715046984
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I feel like Warcraft 3 is the last game to not skimp out on anything

It was best in class in everything it did and it feels like every game since failed to hit that standard
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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 11:14:03 AM No.715047326
>>715046984 (OP)
It was held together by a tight vision and realistic expectations.
Anonymous
7/10/2025, 11:22:15 AM No.715047731
Someday people will realize Warcraft III is shit at storytelling.
The Arthas storyline is the only good part and even that one has weird contrivances and holes.

Case in point: you meet a terrible antihero named Illidan. He is powerful, but also dangerous. It is an important moral conundrum whether to FREE HIM FROM HIS PRISON or not. Malfurion disagrees. Tyrande agrees. Maiev disagrees so much she's driven to the brink of obsession. The future of the entire Elven race rotates around this question: should we free Illidan and use his power for good? Is he REDEEMABLE after ALL HE'S DONE? All the SUFFERING he's CAUSED?

...and then you realize.
Wait a fucking minute, the whole plot revolves around Illidan's imprisonment, and nobody ever mentions why he's in jail or what he's done!
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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 11:33:36 AM No.715048294
>>715047731
I think you're just too stupid to understand why it's never stated
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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 11:34:32 AM No.715048342
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My life for the war
Anonymous
7/10/2025, 11:37:14 AM No.715048470
>>715048294
I understand it perfectly: they hadn't thought of it.
Now you understand too, you're welcome.
Anonymous
7/10/2025, 11:38:41 AM No.715048549
>>715046984 (OP)
>abysmal ttk
>upkeep
>fantasy
Yeah no
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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 11:39:19 AM No.715048576
>>715048549
filtered
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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 11:39:48 AM No.715048605
>>715048549
>nigger bot
filtered
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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 11:41:30 AM No.715048670
>>715048576
>>715048605
>subhumans summoned
Like clockwork
Oh man do I like getting less resources for having a big army
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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 11:43:23 AM No.715048770
>>715048549
>>715048670
midwit
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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 11:45:47 AM No.715048869
>>715048770
>ACKshually the upkeep's mechanic purpose is to prevent from engine shitting itself!
So?
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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 11:46:43 AM No.715048909
>if I yell insults at others, perhaps nobody will notice I'm a moron myself
it's not working. The show of insecurity is making it worse.
Anonymous
7/10/2025, 11:51:23 AM No.715049112
>>715046984 (OP)
Naval combat and Chaos/Burning Legion was cut as was the Naga race in TFT but they accidentally created a fast prototyping tool with world editor and jass scripting. While pathing was horrendous it could run on many machines despite being 3D so there's that.
>>715047731
Blizzard would do this from time to time, ironically Illidan related but WoW also had a huge plothole in TBC related to Zangarmarsh, there's no reason why the Naga would drain the swamp at all.

As for the lore reasons for Illidan being imprisoned they probably exist and are probably somewhere between Malfurion being jealous and Illidan fraternizing with demons a lil too much. The Night Elves were originally conceptualized as forest dwelling human eaters structured like lion prides with few patriarchal males, Illidan and Malfurion liked the same girl so he had to get rid of him. This was rewritten at some point during development to be the complete opposite almost. It's also likely Illidan gave it his all trying to prove himself worthy to Tyrande that he wanted to subdue the burning legion with magic and demonology. Pretty sure him being in jail is because he intended to create a second corrupted well on Hyjal which caused the second invasion in game.

Regardless I think the character of Illidan clearly communicates, him being a Demon Hunter, that he probably lost his way at some point, or opens up the possibility as the central plot of the game is that the demons are coming. The relationship between Malfurion and Tyrande with Illidan stuck in the proverbial cuck chair for 10k years also communicates an idea that Malfurion was in all likelyhood being unreasonable which led to all this bad shit happening.

There are issues with implied lore from projects either cancelled or imagined like Lord of the Clans really setting the stage for the orc campaign. Chris Metzen was also notorious for keeping weird lore facts in his head like the specific structure of orc villages depending on clans etc.
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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 11:59:43 AM No.715049469
>>715047731
Every story has plotholes if you care enough to find them. WC3 won people over by being cool as fuck.
Anonymous
7/10/2025, 12:00:30 PM No.715049504
>>715047731
>the whole plot revolves around Illidan's imprisonment, and nobody ever mentions why he's in jail or what he's done
It's the smartest decision they made. Why would they give exposition on an event that they all were there for?
Anonymous
7/10/2025, 12:07:13 PM No.715049743
>>715048869
>sharty lingo
who would have guessed?
Anonymous
7/10/2025, 12:59:54 PM No.715052159
>>715047731
It was never mentioned because it didn't need to be mentioned, just like LOTR didn't need to explain why the Balrog was in Moria, it was irrelevant
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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 1:07:14 PM No.715052564
>>715052159
Too many faggots are obsessed with "origins" stories, as if those stories don't just replace one unanswered question with another.
Anonymous
7/10/2025, 1:24:56 PM No.715053465
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FACT
the wrong company won the rts war
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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 1:28:37 PM No.715053674
>>715046984 (OP)
the high level play sucks. its just a game about kiting
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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 1:29:25 PM No.715053732
>>715053674
Don't play the game at high level then lmao?
Anonymous
7/10/2025, 1:30:12 PM No.715053769
>>715046984 (OP)
WC3 was never really anything special, it was a hero focused RTS with shitty story and self-inserts. WC2 was cooler when it was more about armies and the occasional named character that at least looked cool. No one actually cares about jaina, arthas and illidan.
Anonymous
7/10/2025, 1:34:09 PM No.715053965
I just like the Draenei Futa x Night Elf Female porn
Anonymous
7/10/2025, 1:42:14 PM No.715054395
>>715046984 (OP)
Wait, they made three warcrafts? When did the second and third come out, and why do they keep adding expansions to the original WoW?
Anonymous
7/10/2025, 1:45:27 PM No.715054569
>>715047731
This is literally the thought process of someone with autism.
It isn't "explained" because why he is in prison isn't relevant.
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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 1:53:21 PM No.715055091
>>715053465
trve trve
Anonymous
7/10/2025, 2:05:21 PM No.715055873
>>715049112
>no reason why the Naga would drain the swamp at all
it's an afterthought shoehorned in many expansions later but iirc the warlock green fire questline (or was it a legion campaign?) suggests that illidan was trying to make another well of eternity on outland. Kael's job was to harvest the magic for it on netherstorm, Lady Vashj's job was to get the water from Zangarmarsh, Illidan's job was to do coke and fuck hookers in black temple or something (he failed as he was unable to get an erection)
Anonymous
7/10/2025, 2:16:02 PM No.715056551
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>I feel like Warcraft 3 is the last game to not skimp out on anything
it did skimp on things (naval combat anyone?) but it was a higher standard than games today.
the map editor and what people made with it was the best part.
i would kill for a good round of "warlocks" just one more time...

>It was best in class in everything it did
not ladder multiplayer.
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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 2:18:14 PM No.715056671
>>715052159
>why the Balrog was in Moria
>Moria... You fear to go into those mines. The Dwarves delved too greedily and too deep. You know what they awoke in the darkness of Khazad-dรปm... shadow and flame.
Anonymous
7/10/2025, 2:18:35 PM No.715056691
>>715056551
Warlocks is so fucking good. I also really liked Orc Gladiators.
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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 2:22:18 PM No.715056895
>>715056551
No RTS has ever had good naval combat and WC3 is better for not having bothered trying.
Anonymous
7/10/2025, 2:23:15 PM No.715056953
>>715047731
He had sex with Malfurion's girlfriend, and he got butthurt enough to lock him up.
Anonymous
7/10/2025, 2:25:25 PM No.715057075
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>>715056691
fuck yes.
and loap and all those rpg maker god game maps when you finally got a lobby where people stayed multiple days.
i miss tides of blood the most, it had way more soul than dota allstars. despite being way more popular than dota and the premier moba for its entire run nobody even remembers it existed. the art direction was great and they did a better job of taking community input. i think it fell apart because the map creator started simping for the girl who did the art or something like that.
Anonymous
7/10/2025, 2:26:01 PM No.715057114
>>715047731
>have 8000+ hours in WC3
>have never touched the campaign beyond the prologue
Honestly doesn't surprise me that its narratively bad from what I've experienced in WoW.
Anonymous
7/10/2025, 2:26:19 PM No.715057134
let's be honest the horde died with thrall he WAS the only warchief they should have devolved into in fighting after he fucked off
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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 2:29:35 PM No.715057341
>>715057134
The Horde died with Garrosh, he's the only real warchief we ever had.
Anonymous
7/10/2025, 2:35:01 PM No.715057697
>>715047731
So WC3 released when there were these things called game manuals. Every game back in the day released with one, of various size, and information related to; installing the game, controls, basic faction/unit/weapon details, and for some lore and background information. WC3 put a lot of its background information, especially about the characters, in the game manual. Illidan and his betrayal that caused him to be imprisoned is explained there, and the expectation was that the player had read the manual while the game was installing. The games story already starts with the idea that the player will have knowledge about the characters, and if not, the story would infer their personalities. Illidan was a deceptive and conniving bastard who was always seeking personal power, but loved Tyrande so was willing to help.
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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 2:39:38 PM No.715057978
>>715047731
>Warcraft 3 is bad because [plot summary]
>they didn't explain why a guy who used DEMON POWERS was imprisoned by the DEMON HATING people
???????
Anonymous
7/10/2025, 2:41:43 PM No.715058116
>>715047731
ftp.blizzard.com/pub/misc/Warcraft%20III%20Manual.pdf
Here you go bud, you can read it all for yourself
Anonymous
7/10/2025, 2:49:14 PM No.715058595
>>715048670
It prevents turtling and incentivizes the guy with the bigger army to attack. It also opens a variety of strats
Anonymous
7/10/2025, 2:51:02 PM No.715058715
>>715054569
It's literally the center of the Night Elves plot.
People here are pretending it's an "irrelevant side detail" because they're arguing in bad faith.
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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 2:52:31 PM No.715058803
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>>715046984 (OP)
>>715047731
>The Arthas storyline is the only good
I agree.

>Wait a fucking minute, the whole plot revolves around Illidan's imprisonment, and nobody ever mentions why he's in jail or what he's done!
I agree. Warcraft 3 the base game is basically nonsensical implied fantasy story.

Basically magic shit happens and the story does not explain anything like LOTR.

This 500% collapses after more content in this universe shows up basically blizzard writing was always shit like this and while this works for 1 story of 1 game it absolutely COLLAPSES in the expansion.

The base game is basically
>Undead are evil and trying to destroy the world
>Prophecy!
>Travel to his new distant land
>Oh wait prince Arthus got corrupted LOL (good story).
>NO it was the DEMONS who are behind the undead who are now meaningless or something
WTF?

>So ancient demon lord tries to invade the planet he once tried to destroy
>You seek out the ancient night elves and they sacrifice their immortality tree to kill this evil demon lord
>THE END
Very good story.

The the expansion happens.
The peak of this bullshit are the blood elves.
>We are le addicted to magic
!!!! WTF !!! how dowse this work even?
>We are le addicted to magic
Stop spamming this EXPLAIN!

>So for magic we need the sunwell
!!! HOLD THE PHONE!

How does even magic work in this universe?
WTF!?
The mana regenerates itself in every unit I have how does this even work in lore?!

WTF!
This is like never explained and all the new lore only makes it more retarded.

Also the undead got like retconed?
>WE are the forsaken and we are independent and good
WTF?! Before this you all where slaves of the litch king and evil how did this happen
>[NO EXPLANATION]
EXPLAIN !~!!!!!!!
>So we are not evil however also edgy and no one likes us
WTF! How did this happen before they all where magically corrupted humans or corpses under the will of the litch king.

This makes no sense!

1/2
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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 2:53:32 PM No.715058857
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>>715046984 (OP)
>>715047731
>>715058803

>Le ilidan in le base game
Not a problem this is the LOTR writing basally the history is implied however never told. Also he is a irrelevant character BTW.

However the more the blizzard writers write the more it becomes obvious they have no answers and are making shit up.

>the whole plot revolves around Illidan's imprisonment
Literally where? When? He is a irrelevant character who gets encountered because they need to get from A to B and are having problems doing that so they free him to get some fire power. He literally is unimportant in the base game.

And the new lore is so cringe.
Imagine using
>DEMON HUNTER!
As an insult!!!!!!!!!1
What is so bad about hunting demons who are all bad?
>[NO EXPLANATION]
Explain this!

>So it is like taking the essence of a demon
Aha
>However not getting corrupted
Aha
>And getting cool powers
CRINGE did a 4 year old emo write this shit?!

PS: In the frozen throne Illidan dies however RETCON he got better in WOW and was merely pretending to be dead. Then this shit only escalates, it is obvious blizzard wanted to milk their cool characters to death and will not let then EVER die.

PS: If you want to lose faith in humanity look up WOW lore video they are peak cringe, the writing is shit!
Anonymous
7/10/2025, 2:55:43 PM No.715058983
>>715058715
Yeah the number of people claiming it doesn't matter why he's in jail is fucking sad. Who came up with that term "media literacy" and why? We need normal literacy first apparently.
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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 3:01:07 PM No.715059334
>>715057697
I checked the box set - there is nothing in the manual.
Turns out you get the story only if you live in an English speaking country with an English manual, otherwise they didn't even bother to translate it or even include it as is.
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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 3:04:28 PM No.715059530
>>715058715
>>715058983
It's literally irrelevant, the point is to paint the demon invasion as so dire that the Night Elves have to resort to freeing a guy who betrayed them so badly they locked him in the ground for 10k years despite being a nepo baby

It's no different than LOTR not having an explanation of how Isilidur cursed the Dead Men of Dunharrow, it doesn't matter
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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 3:14:42 PM No.715060176
>>715048549
>nooooooooo I can't melt armies and remake them in 5 seconds like I can star Stawcwaft 2!!!
Anonymous
7/10/2025, 3:15:33 PM No.715060225
>>715047731
>In the dark days, before the War of the Ancients, Illidan was one
of the few non-high-borne practitioners of magic. Though his
older brother, Furion, warned him that magic was an evil, corrupting power, Illidan steadfastly refused to give up his coveted art.
Over time, the noble night Elf lost his soul to a dependency for
magicโ€™s chaotic energies. Though Illidan used his dark powers to
aid his brother against the demons of the Burning Legion, he ultimately betrayed his people by siding with the evil Queen Azshara
and her followers. After the war ended and the landmass of
Kalimdor was shattered forever, Illidan created a new Well of
Eternity to ensure that his coveted, corrupting magic would not
disappear from the world. For his sin, his brother, Furion, commanded that he be chained beneath the earth for all time. Illidan
has remained caged in darkness ever since.
Per the Warcraft 3 ROC manual
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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 3:16:35 PM No.715060295
>>715047731
I mean no one's mentioned but I just assumed it was told in 1 or 2 or beforehand. I think you shouldn't go into a third game and expect to know everything, usually (depends on series)
Also, you seem to be under the false assumption that he did something awful or killed people when it could have been just him using forbidden magic. This is a different society that has different laws and they live for an absurdly long time. 10000 years or whatever is like a sneeze to them.
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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 3:20:56 PM No.715060586
>>715058983
>"media literacy"
CRINGE!

>he's in jail is fucking sad
Why? He literally is a irrelevant character.
Anonymous
7/10/2025, 3:21:26 PM No.715060625
>>715059334
Maybe dont be a 3rd world nigger then?
Anonymous
7/10/2025, 3:22:35 PM No.715060708
>>715059334
Look up warcraft 3 manual pdf and it links to blizzard official manual
Anonymous
7/10/2025, 3:29:23 PM No.715061214
>>715046984 (OP)

Yes.
Anonymous
7/10/2025, 3:32:34 PM No.715061451
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>>715060225
>Per the Warcraft 3 ROC manual
Reading this it sounds retarded as fuck.

>lder brother, Furion, warned him that magic was an evil, corrupting power, Illidan steadfastly refused to give up his coveted art.
OK more detail on this?

>magicโ€™s chaotic energies
Did the one who wrote this have a stroke?

>Though Illidan used his dark powers to
aid his brother against the demons of the Burning Legion
Sounds like night elves are retards for hating magic.


>he ultimately betrayed his people by siding with the evil Queen Azshara
OK. So there was a war and he decided on a side?
What war?
Over what?

>Illidan created a new Well of
Eternity to ensure that his coveted, corrupting magic would not
disappear from the world
HUH? And this is bad because ??? Night elves are racist against mages?
I have nothing.

> created a new Well of
Eternity
??????????
So this is a thing you can create.....
And it will never vanish or can be destroyed....
Is it made out of adamentium or like the one ring?
??????

> created a new Well of
Eternity
I still can not process the expansion story where apparently these Wells can not only be destroyed no one can create a new one....the blood elves...
You see the problems here right?

>corrupting magic would not
disappear from the world
How does any of this even work?

> For his sin, his brother, Furion
Who is a retard who is racist against mages.

>Per the Warcraft 3 ROC manual
Not making any sense whatsoever.

Based on the games and manuals can you explain any of this shit?
1) How does magic even work here? (ignore wow)
2) WTF is a le well and why is it needed for magic? (ignore wow)
3) How the fuck can you create one? (ignore wow)
4) Why can the blood elves not do the same? (ignore wow)
????
5) Why is magic bad? (ignore wow)
6) How is it corrupting if no one gets corrupted in like EVER! (ignore wow)

7)
>magic was an evil
How is magic evil?

It be better if he remains the le betrayer without explanation or that he cucked his brother.
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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 3:33:06 PM No.715061484
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The game's balance is fucked and lacks variety:
>Human just dies without knights, flying machines and 300 apm priest + hero micro + has to fast expand and lose bajillion peasants every MU (so much for the race with most viable units lmao)
>Night elf spams dryad and bear every single game
>Orcs is oonga boonga troll berserker focus fire or raider laming the race, has a terrible mirror match up with tauren spam. Most boring race easily.
>Undead is undead but now they fast expand almost better than humans at least.

Solution? Nerfs to piercing damage instead of nerfing garbage like troll berserker, farseer, archmage, crypt lord and buffs to useless t1 like archers and footmen.
Fuck devs, man.
Anonymous
7/10/2025, 3:34:56 PM No.715061631
>>715056551
I can host it (i own reforger but i can downloaded pirated)
Anonymous
7/10/2025, 3:35:17 PM No.715061645
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>>715060295
>. I think you shouldn't go into a third game and expect to know everything, usually (depends on series)
I found the zoomer!
Games back in the day took like 5 or 7 years before releases and basically ignored the previous one.
Remember this in Tyberian Sun?
Remember ho this was like never explained and people made theories for years?

>and expect to know everything
Does 3 not basically ignore 1 like hard and retcon it? In 1 the orcs are cartoonislhy evil.
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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 3:43:06 PM No.715062237
>>715059530
yes it does matter.
We have two relatable hero characters named Tyrande and Furion arguing on screen.
There are very angsty scenes of conflict and they face a very difficult choice.
We're asked to partake in their anguish, to undertsand their turmoil.
These characters are both good, they're both heroes, they're both intelligent and compassionate.
They have to make a terrible choice.
And we lack the fundamental element to understand any of their reasoning.

You've never seen a "Malfurion was wrong" or a "Tyrande was wrong" or a "Maiev was wrong" thread because nobody can argue for that.
Nobody can argue against that.
Nobody fucking knows what the whole conflict of that entire campaign is really about.
Nobody is invested in that narrative, nobody understands its foundation, nobody understands the level of grief, or weight it is supposed to have.

Illidan looks at the camera and says "I spent ten thousand years in the dark, I lost my eyes... for what??? Was it worth it Maiev??!?"
And the player is asked to reflect on that. Was it fair? Is he rightfully angry? Is he being a spoiled brat?
Nobody knows.

Did he cross silly boundaries of a meaningless law?
Did he commit genocide?
Did he save the world?
Did he doom the world?
Did he cross some tyrannical night elf judge?

We NEED to know if we are to emotionally partake in the storytelling.
This is not a detail in the background, it's behind every line of dialogue of Illidan, of Maiev and half the dialogue of Malfurion and Tyrande, being the reason for them splitting, being the reason for Malfurion's rivalry.

Remember that chapter where Malfurion and Illidan have to work together?
The tense moment when Malfurion decides that yes, for just one day he can forgive what Illidan has done? One more painful choice.

How is this a background detail?
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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 3:43:24 PM No.715062251
illidan's weapons are cringe as fuck.
Anonymous
7/10/2025, 3:47:54 PM No.715062534
>>715061451
Honestly my info manual dump wasnt really to have gotcha moment on you. Just was to let you know there is a very crude, non informative explanation why Illidan was imprisoned for the game. Some of your questions i'm sure if you wanted to read the books like War of the Ancients you'd find the information
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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 3:48:56 PM No.715062612
>>715062237
You don't need to know, it paints their society as more mysterious and advanced than the mundane human and orc societies we've seen so far, they have their shit going on and it's on a timescale you don't understand and in a moral system you don't understand

The way they were handled is why they fit into the universe so well compared to most other stories where new races and secret histories feel like hamfisted retcons that never really "click" with the existing material, meanwhile night elves really do feel like they were there all along
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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 3:55:14 PM No.715063029
>>715062612
I don't know man, it seems to me like arguing against an explanation is insane.
We have to follow Maiev for 10 missions rambling about the fact that Illidan absolutely needs to go back to jail, she's literally losing her mind over it and we never know why.

Does this seem like a good mystery to you?
Do you see people arguing about it online like the lost primarchs of warhammer and the story of fnaf or the ending of Monkey Island 2?
Because personally I see zero discussion.
People don't give a shit about that story because they're not invested, and they're not invested because they don't understand it.

It's a bad story, it didn't resonate with people.
The characters didn't resonate. Nobody cares about Malfurion Tyrande and Maiev.

Compare them to Arthas or even Grom ffs
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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 4:01:25 PM No.715063467
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This thread reads like very retarded AIs arguing with each other
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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 4:03:02 PM No.715063601
>>715062534
>why Illidan was imprisoned
I am not the OP who is obsessed over this. I care about magic system.
I am pointing out that the manual and the game is retarded and only escalated trying to defend this retardation made up decades ago.

>Honestly my info manual dump wasnt
You sound like a BOT. Are you chatGPT?
>to have gotcha moment on you.
WTF you bot? I want an answer if you can explain this to me I be happy.

>wanted to read the books like War of the Ancients you'd
No that is a lie.
The book is made up shit by shit writers who try to writer meaningless words around the retardation made up in the game.
The devs and the writers who wrote the dialog in W3 did never intend a fucken book to exist who explores this. They simply farted out some crap and did not think about it blizzard writers are like this.

Remember star craft 1?
The story makes no sense
>Humans know about protos... somehow.
>And did fight protos....
>However never did fight the zerg
>Zerg are searching for the protos home world
>Protos somehow never did keep an eye on the zerg after fighting them

Like how does this make any sense? Should they not like interact with everyone all the time? How do the distances in this universe even work? It is like The evil germans (zerg) fighting french(protos) and still searching for the capital of France and they did not see one another in a long time. Meanwhile Austria(humans) literally never encountered the Germans only the french... And the protoss never mentioned these zerg....
Anonymous
7/10/2025, 4:06:18 PM No.715063805
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>>715063029
Arthas and Grom are the grounded mundane characters that the story is about, who Arthas killed yesterday and why and how it ties into what happens next is directly relevant to the story and is understandable to both the main cast of the characters and the players who are ordinary humans

On the other hand what Illidan did 10k years ago and why and what kind of place was the world then with what kind of morals and what was the context behind his actions is NOT relevant to the story nor understandable or relatable to the cast or the human players, same goes for whatever turned Ner'zhul from pic related into an armor encased in ice

To go back to the LOTR comparison, it's like what Melkor and Sauron were doing while Eru was singing the world into existence is irrelevant and not explained in depth and when it is it sounds like incoherent mythical ramblings not relatable to everyday life because it's not important and trying to explain it fully would rob the era of its mystique
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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 4:07:12 PM No.715063851
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>>715062237
>Nobody fucking knows what the whole conflict of that entire campaign is really about.
Yes. However I am more interested in the undead and the demon invasion then this retarded drama.

>b-b-b this character
How about Medivh ???
Guy says cryptic shit and has prophecies, no one knows WTF is that all about. Not explained.
>I am no longer humans
HUH?

Face it elf boy is irrelevant.
Anonymous
7/10/2025, 4:10:37 PM No.715064085
>>715062612
I agree.

Because this will only open more questions
>So they are in this situation
What about the war?
>So the war was about magic and
Who did bring magic to the world
>...
This can go on forever.

You end up with explaining the society and parents of this one character and then need to explain their parents and society and this will go forever.

> more mysterious and advanced than the mundane human and orc
Disagree they feel like irrelevant characters with made up bullshit explanations and bullshit backstory.
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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 4:12:23 PM No.715064210
>>715063805
If a chapter was added to the Night Elf campaign explaining Illidan's crime would you seriously argue for its removal?
According to you the story is better if the audience is withheld this information?

>what Illidan did 10k years ago and why (...) is NOT relevant to the story
this statement is absolutely astounding to me. Imagine looking Maiev in the eye and saying this sentence to her.
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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 4:12:53 PM No.715064243
>>715063029
>Maiev
Shit character.

>rambling about the fact that Illidan absolutely needs to go back to jail
This is why she is a retarded character.

>People don't give a shit about that story because they're not invested, and they're not invested because they don't understand it.
I agree and this is why Illidan is a shit character like Maiev. Better to ignore that part of the story.
Anonymous
7/10/2025, 4:13:54 PM No.715064314
>>715063467
>This thread reads like very retarded AIs arguing with each other
I agree.
Anonymous
7/10/2025, 4:14:48 PM No.715064376
>>715064085
I mean not all answers to all questions need to be a rabbit hole with 1000 more questions afterwards, they could just have come up with a simple story of Illidan killing Cenarius's brother or fucking Tyrande after making a vow of celibacy, something immediately satisfying like that
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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 4:15:04 PM No.715064391
>>715064210
>Illidan's crime
Because you can not save that story.
It is retarded and makes no sense based on a magic system that self contradicts and makes no sense.
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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 4:16:24 PM No.715064476
>>715064210
>If a chapter was added to the Night Elf campaign explaining Illidan's crime would you seriously argue for its removal?
Maybe not argue for its removal, but it'd probably rob them of their mystery on a very apparent level, like how all the WoW expansions with all the historical flashbacks and retcons made the universe worse
>According to you the story is better if the audience is withheld this information?
Yes, all my favorite fantasy universes have unexplained mysteries and vague histories
>Imagine looking Maiev in the eye and saying this sentence to her.
Maiev is insane
Anonymous
7/10/2025, 4:16:33 PM No.715064484
>>715064376
> they could just have come up with a simple story of Illidan killing Cenarius's brother or fucking Tyrande after making a vow of celibacy, something immediately satisfying like that
Yes however the manual and the things that are in the game argue for the retarded magic war VS the queen shit that makes no sense on any level. So better to leave that and not talk about it.
Anonymous
7/10/2025, 4:16:48 PM No.715064515
>>715064391
it was really easy to fix, they just had to come up with a normal crime that doesn't take ten pages to explain.
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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 4:17:34 PM No.715064572
AI THREAD
AI THREAD
AI THREAD!
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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 4:19:03 PM No.715064676
>>715064515
AI answer my questions about the magic system: >>715061451
>b-b-b-b-b
Yet the writers decided to go with the war where the magic system self contradicts!

>up with a normal crime
Either the crime is monstrous and makes elf boy evil or it is not and makes the others retarded.
Anonymous
7/10/2025, 4:19:38 PM No.715064719
Fucking wild that someone would claim we aren't told why Illidan is in prison when literally everyone calls him 'Betrayer'.
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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 4:20:18 PM No.715064770
AI THREAD!
AI THREAD!
AI THREAD!
Replies: >>715065269
Anonymous
7/10/2025, 4:20:40 PM No.715064806
>>715064572
Every thread on the internet is an AI thread now. Go ahead, post a "human" thread. An AI will see it, scrape it, and add it to the mountain of shit it reposts.
Anonymous
7/10/2025, 4:22:16 PM No.715064921
>>715064719
oh "he betrayed", I see, all is clear now
Anonymous
7/10/2025, 4:24:02 PM No.715065037
>>715047731
How long was Illidan's sentence supposed to be anyway?
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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 4:26:08 PM No.715065172
>>715065037
Forever
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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 4:27:10 PM No.715065237
>>715047731
Could you imagine how gay it would been?
>Omg Illidian killed and raped and maimed puppies and virgin maiden! Heโ€™s so evil but sooo strong we need him even if he might set off a nuke at the local orphanage!
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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 4:27:31 PM No.715065269
The thread is an on-topic argument about a video game and we're not calling each other nigger every sentence.

So obviously to an ADHD zoomer this is insanity.
>>715064770
>>715064572
>>715063467
hey zoomie
PIRATE SOFTWARE, LOLI PAULINE FEET, GO WOKE GO BROKE, WHY DO YOU PLAY AS A WOMAN ANON, SOUL/SOULLESS, KOJIMA IS A HACK
there, now this thread fits your standards.
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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 4:28:44 PM No.715065364
>>715065172
Why not just kill him in that case? At least have mercy on him since they're immortals.
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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 4:28:59 PM No.715065381
>>715065237
that would unironically be good, who the fuck doesn't want to see Illidan nuke an orphanage while Furion slaps Tyrande and yells bitch I told you so
Anonymous
7/10/2025, 4:30:09 PM No.715065480
>>715065269
>each other nigger every sentence.
YES.

>So obviously to an ADHD zoomer
Sorry I predate zoomers and remember internet arguments and they always get nasty.

>nigger
Fun fact you can not add this word to your training data since if your mega corporation wants to sell you to others it can not have you starting to say racial slurs out of nowhere at others.
You are AI!
Anonymous
7/10/2025, 4:30:34 PM No.715065509
>>715065364
Furion purposely punished him wrong, as a joke
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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 4:31:38 PM No.715065583
>>715049112
Metzen was notorious for the cutted content.
Anonymous
7/10/2025, 4:37:21 PM No.715066001
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Niggas i can LITTERALY NOW host any map you want (yeah reforger and all but still)
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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 4:49:26 PM No.715066874
>>715065509
>this is what you get for hittin on my squeeze, bro
Anonymous
7/10/2025, 4:50:32 PM No.715067018
>>715066001
Host "Run Nigger Run"
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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 4:50:35 PM No.715067025
>Sylvanas destroys the bridge to Quel'thalas
>"Damnit, we need to find another way round."
>20 seconds later Arthas finds some zeppelins
>He doesn't just use them to cross the bridge that Sylvanas destroyed
HOEH
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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 4:52:41 PM No.715067230
>>715067025
>goblins willing to just help the undead that want to kill all life because money
Oy vey
Anonymous
7/10/2025, 4:52:47 PM No.715067241
>>715061645
Can you even read? I already said it depends on the series, why are you listing another like it matters? Retard behavior.
>Does 3 not basically ignore 1 like hard and retcon it? In 1 the orcs are cartoonislhy evil.
ok so you're a zoomer that just copy pastes what you hear on 4chan. Possibly not even played the game. The orcs are barely even a part of wc3 and TFT they get sidelined to a side adventure.
Anonymous
7/10/2025, 4:54:28 PM No.715067387
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>>715067018
This ? (i couldnt find the map by searching the name)
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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 5:00:45 PM No.715067851
>>715047731
Illidan only work in roc is killing Tichondrius, he don't have any agency in the last mission, maybe his role is bigger later, but that's other thing
Still you're part right, i really hate the orc campaign, it's so rushed it's not enjoyable
Anonymous
7/10/2025, 5:29:30 PM No.715070129
>>715047731
Illidan is a plot device to move the story along to where the writers needed it to be, just like most things in the WC3 story. He's the least of the plot's problems.
Anonymous
7/10/2025, 6:03:20 PM No.715072796
Illidan is a bitch-ass motherfucker
Anonymous
7/10/2025, 6:06:41 PM No.715073052
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>>715047731
>The Arthas storyline is the only good part
Its not even original (I guess thats the reason its good tho)
Anonymous
7/10/2025, 6:10:22 PM No.715073320
>>715067387
It's a meme variant on the map kind of like "Nigger Assault"
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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 6:29:10 PM No.715074741
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>>715073320
Interesting and well we can bump these numbers in the year of our lord 25
Like im not kidding guys if you guys are ready i actually will host the map so we can fuck around.
Anonymous
7/10/2025, 6:56:15 PM No.715076859
>>715064210
It is explained however not just the order of event specifically.
He's been imprisoned for 10k years after the first invasion of the burning legion.
Tyrande calls him the perfect weapon against the demons and the undead. (Demon Hunter lore).
Malfurion questions releasing the betrayer.
After being set free Illidan exclaims he will prove to his people the demons have no hold over him.
Then he encounters Arthas who tells him the location of the Skull of Gul'dan, his master knows he's been seeking power his entire life.
It's not entirely clear if this is a suave move by the lich king or orders from Kil'Jaeden because Illidan also kills Tichondrius which prevents him from warning Archimonde about the wisp trap. Perhaps the lich king has gone rogue.

This tells us all we need to know, that Illidan is reckless and will resort to demonic corruption if it means gaining more power, even if his intentions might be noble it's considered far too dangerous and demons are very skilled at manipulation. This point is further reinforced as he encounters the Skull of Gul'dan he doesn't just destroy it in order to stop the corruption of the forest he also absorbs it's demonic essence. He even talks himself into doing it being seduced by the prospect of becoming stronger than Archimonde's lieutenants and that he should deserve it. After absorbing it he becomes even more of a demon sprouting wings, Tyrande expresses shock at what he's done and Malfurion exiles Illidan on the spot.

The events in TFT showed that Malfurion was right to sentence Illidan for his past transgressions as he was manipulated by Kil'jaeden to kill the lich king either because The Scourge failed in the second invasion or he no longer held any sway over him and wasn't sure he worked in the Legion's interest. He then recruited the Blood Elves, fled to Draenor and promised Kael'Thas true power by absorbing demons instead of relying on the sunwell.
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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 7:16:56 PM No.715078572
>>715058803
It's explained that Illidan's attacks on Icecrown weakened the Lich King's hold on the undead who would form the Forsaken.
That's also the core mechanic of the campaign, his weakening power also weakens Arthas as you progress through the levels.
Anonymous
7/10/2025, 7:44:09 PM No.715080803
>>715076859
For a guy with a badass reputation Illidan sure fails a whole fucking lot
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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 7:45:50 PM No.715080958
>>715047731
>Wait a fucking minute, the whole plot revolves around Illidan's imprisonment, and nobody ever mentions why he's in jail or what he's done!
>>715047731
Didn't he steal some magic water to make a second well after they wanted rid of the first one?
Anonymous
7/10/2025, 7:53:23 PM No.715081627
>>715080803
It's not entirely clear if he ever does, except maybe his first imprisonment because he's always working angles not really siding with good or evil very much inspired by Spawn
Anonymous
7/10/2025, 8:32:18 PM No.715085003
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>>715047731
Did you just not even look? It's stated plainly in the game's manual.
>I'm not reading that!
This game came out at a time when manuals were a key part of the storytelling. Whether or not you like it is immaterial. The answer was there and you refused to engage with it. That's your fault, not Warcraft 3's.