Is it really so bad if i use AI art in my indie game? I am one man.

You aren't even making an indie game, just bait threads on /v/.

>>715059786
no, I am making an indie game. I have a demo.

People can smell your shit-smeared hands if they see AI art.
Programmer art is more appealing and you do not have a game.

You are free to think or not think so and your opinion is enough for you.

>>715059742 (OP)
HIRE ARTIST
SLOP AI
AI SLIPPA
PAY ARTISTS WHAT THEY ARE WOOOOOOORTH
PICK UP THE FUCKING PENCIL

>>715059742 (OP)
yes. pay second man.

if you use it carefully and tastefully yes. still have to disclose it on steam though

>>715059742 (OP)
Do whatever, man.
If I see AI on your game, I will assume that the game is some cheapo shit and ignore It like a bad ad.

I think if you use local models configured correctly it could be good, but the problem is keeping the art style distinctive and internally consistent. It could be a step up from shitty programmer art but don't think it would be good for a final product.

AI is great, everyone should use it and and everyone posting luddisms will cringe at their commitment to the bit eventually.

>>715061709
>I will transition eventually
Happy for you sister

>>715061709
I'll just play older games so I don't have to wade through the sea of AI trash.

Wait are all the replies here from artists

It’s not a big issue, like at all. Some YouTube already went through indie steam games that make use of AI and hardly any of the reviews on them even mentioned it.
Also if it’s popular enough even the staunchly anti-AI will pull some convenient excuse out of their ass about how actually this specific instance is okay.

>>715062264
Op here btw

>>715059742 (OP)
Just release it on itch with the AI art disclaimer

>>715059742 (OP)
As long as you don't expect to get any money for it or any real people to play it, sure.

>>715059742 (OP)
Sure. Just let no one find out.

>>715059742 (OP)
it's a red flag that shows you cut corners and half assed it. Most people will ignore your game the first whiff of slop they see. at least charmingly bad hand drawn art will stand out as original in a sea of slop

>>715062341
It's hard for ai to get consistent styles

>>715059742 (OP)
the only wrong way to get art for your game is to enslave children

>>715059742 (OP)
This is the last era of culture which will ever exist
Not because of (You) personally, but because of the multi trillion dollar endeavour to destroy human creative pursuit in the name of capital power which has incidentally given you a pixel image of a frog as a by-product

We used to recognise cultural eras by the aesthetic trends of human creative output. Flares and flowery mini-vans and jukeboxes and mustangs and rock and roll bands and punk mohawks and ripped jeans. All of which are objects in the real world, but we stopped living in the real world 20 years ago. The digital revolution shifted all development effort into an imaginary space, but at least there was still human cultural development within the confines of the digital, at least human creativity could still exist within videogames

When AI replaces human creatives, human culture will unironically, objectively and irreversibly disappear forever. AI has no attachment to human culture beyond its ability to copy existing human creative work, when human beings stop producing new creative work the AI will no longer advance culture in accordance with human fashions and visual trends. There will be no 2030 "Aesthetic". It takes a lifetime of effort to become a truly accomplished creative, so when you remove the financial compensation for people who are learning to become artists or designers you remove the pathway which could create the next generation of creatives. The talent will be lost forever, the masters will die without passing on their trade, and everything will be recycled slop until the end of time

You're probably programming it with AI too. Get your 'vibe coded' AI slop game out of here.

>>715062471
Because you are using Dall-e 4 without any idea how to use it

Do whatever, no one wants to play games made by pajeets like you anyway

>>715062901
>when people start using new tool, humanity will DIE

>>715063064
>Humanity may be dying but it hasn't died yet!

>>715062901
cringe
captcha: SP0RP

>>715063004
I'm notnusing that, I'm using chat gpt

>>715062901

Very dramatic. People said the same about digital art

screenshots of demo or gtfo

A question AIjeets never seem to answer is, “Why the fuck would I ever play YOUR AI slop if the tech is good enough for me to make my own, let alone PAY for your slop?”

You utilize AI because you’re too retarded to learn a craft, and so I guarantee you’re not creative enough to even be an “ideas guy” worth paying attention to, as evidence from OP.

>>715063275
>People said the same about digital art
Now, where are your citations?

>>715062901
people aren't ready for this discussion but you're 100% correct

>>715062901
Ok and?

>>715063269
>>715063275
In 20 years time you'll come to me and say "I told you so!" while arguing that human culture hasn't died because we have so much great looking art and so many great looking videogames now. Then you'll excitedly show me an example of the great looking videogames which this AI revolution has brought us, and your example will look like this

>>715062901
>culture is only what I say it is
>people doing new things such as using AI? that's not culture
>AI creating obviously AI art which is a new medium of art? not art
>people using AI to do what people do? not real
yikes

>>715059742 (OP)
dedicated ai haters will continue to demonize any type of ai usage. and since theres no real group of people defending ai (in the eyes of the bigger internet userbase) the ai haters will give a bunch of negative reputation to your game, regardless of the quality of your game.

>>715059742 (OP)
Just use free asset bruh. There is like millions of those on the internet

>>715063689
you realize a human made that right

>30 years ago
>Sci-fi character: "Computer, perform X and Y task!"
>Audience: "Wow this is amazing!"

>Today
>Average irl person: "Computer, perform X and Y task"
>Audience: "REEEEE THAT'S EVIL!"

>>715063998
yeah a real fuckin' stupid one

>>715064063
the guy made a living out of his efforts modding and making graphical tech demos, you're just jealous

>>715064047
Now the jeets are using literal fiction to argue their case.

>>715062901
>gardeners dont make gardens because each individual petal and blade of grass was not designed by them. all they did was arrange things and take care of it and prune a few unwanted things
>remember when culture was people buying shit to dress the same (to stick it to capitalism and express their individuality of course) and doing drugs together?

>>715064213
I totally believe you bro

>>715063998
expecting AIfags to understand the distinction between artistic quality and visual fidelity is a lost cause. If they could tell the difference they wouldn't be excited about AIslop in the first place
Bring on the Unreal Engine Marios with the photorealistic textures

>>715064213
>the guy made a living out of his efforts
Yes, human efforts. EFFORTS. Something you don’t need with AI, you dense retard.

>>715060085
piss filter

>>715064213
>this guy made a living putting a mario model in an empty field
No he didn't.

Op here. I'm bot even charging for this game. Does that change your mind

>>715064213
lol are you one of those retards who actually think that shit looks good?

>>715064567
not interested

>using AI for pixel art
you cannot be this retarded...

>>715064567
No. Again, why would I even bother with your shit when you make the technology look so easy that even a special needs child could cobble something together?

>>715063963
>noooo you can't use ai art it's soulless and artists won't get paid, use generic free asset packs that were already in a million games

>>715064330
>>715064396
>>715064626
>250k subscribers
>900 paid patreons

Don't forget to mention AI in the credits and include the "ai_generated" tag :)

The real problem with AI is its universal accessibility.
Not everyone who picks up a pencil should be encouraged to post their art online. And in the same way, not everything spat out by AI should be shared.
But there's no stopping it. The whole internet is turning into the equivalent of an autist's deviantart doodles now.
The problem, as always, is bad taste. And AI reached out to a billion+ people with bad taste.

AI Art is wonderful! Just look at that Slop!

>>715064896
ghibli flavored slop, my favorite!

>>715059742 (OP)
using AI art for a project like a game currently is basically announcing "I'm a lazy shit that wants shortcuts to a complete product" which doesn't bode well for anyone looking to actually purchase things from you since the people that give enough of a shit to scour Steam or itch.io for indie games tend to be the ones turning their noses up at it

>>715059742 (OP)
Is it a game or a slideshow?

>>715064734
I don't understand. Are you playing game to play or because its something you can't make yourself? You are a consumer or a critic?

>>715064756
tell me more about your good friend who puts mario in empty fields

>>715064990
He's asking why he would pay for an AI game when he could make one himself just as easily.

>>715062901
you're right and you're getting a bunch of seething pajeets trying to ad hominem you saying you aren't

>>715059742 (OP)
It’s bad that you are making an indie game. Indie developers don’t care about the craft and they only make low effort trash. They try to make excuses and say “oh but it’s INDIE so it’s okay that it’s bad”

Majority of indie devs don’t even care about the games they’re making, the games are just an extension of their social media presence. The games are just an excuse to get more people into their discord servers and increase their twitter follower numbers.

>>715065148
Why would you pay for a sandwich when you can make one for yourself? Because consuming and making are separate experiences

>>715064213
>you're just jealous
why is this the first line of defense for anyone who makes ugly dogshit? yeah man I really envy artists with no artistic skill, so mad I didn't come up with the brilliant character designs of concord

>>715065148
or why bother even doing that when you could see someone else's AI game and say "AI make that for me" then just copy it and make the same thing

>>715061426
If I see the “indie” tag on a game I assume it’s some cheap slop shit

Indie “devs” are lazy and have no pride in their work

>>715059742 (OP)
If you don't immediately see the misaligned pixels in OP pic you have no business doing anything related to art.

>>715059742 (OP)
Its okay if its a porn game. My standards for porn games are much lower than actual games

>>715059742 (OP)
AI being bad is a meme spread by leftists and trannies. Go to town bro

>>715065239
When making becomes trivial it becomes no different from consuming. Telling an AI to make something for you is less effort than making a sandwich.

You can use AI art in your games, it's just not going to look consistent at all and people aren't going to like that. Plus the airbrushed look isn't very good either

>>715059742 (OP)
If you're not gunna put effort in why should I pay for it

>>715065239
Are you genuinely autistic? You pay for a sandwich because it's better than the one you can make.

The analogy is moot anyways because you're not making anything, an AI is making it for you. Why would I play your game when I can just have an AI make what I want?

All people have to do is use ai art as baseline and copy it
But people are lazy and cheap

>>715065410
>>715065410
It's a fine trade off fir the time savings.

why is it all so fucking yellow

>>715065310
anon thats just normal human behavior. thats how people play physical games and share jokes.
youre used to rules being restraints in video games instead of just how board games do it, strong suggestions to keep things orderly and possibly fair.

>>715065874
My concept art originally. Is this acceptable ai use?

>>715065928
it's called sepia artlet

>>715065874
If you don't see the problems you are simply lacking in artistic taste. You will make an ugly game no matter what tools you use. But AI is especially bad because it will stop you from developing good taste. You will be stuck producing ugly work forever. The only way to develop good taste is with hard work.

>>715066034
>anon thats just normal human behavior.
No it's not, and you're not a normal human. You type like a genuine mental case who can't follow a basic conversation.

There's nothing wrong with using AI art if it's indistinguishable from hand-made, as it is just a tool. The problem is that people can tell immediately if there's something uncanny about a game and its assets, as 99% of AI art is mere slop made by talentless hacks who can't even fix their own images with photoshop or similar software, or bother genning another one without multiple or missing fingers, fucked up irises, nonsensical depth, perspective, poses etc.

Here's something you probably didn't know. The crafting materials in The First Descendant are AI generated. It's just that the artists also manually remove errors and inconsistencies so that it appears more credible.

Also, nice fucking "pixels" on your AI generated pixel art. The resolution should 50x50 for that specific frog, not 1024x1024. There's all sorts of noise inside the pixels and their borders. Pixel art requires that small canvas, and if you want to display it at a higher resolution, you resize it with nearest neighbour, AI doesn't understand what makes pixel art, pixel art.

>>715062007
If you already aren't filtered by the state of new games don't suddenly larp as someone with standards just because there's AI to make the slop now.

>>715059742 (OP)
So long as you put in time and effort and are willing to tune and cra-
>>715063275
>I'm using chat gpt
Nevermind, it's going to be shitty slop. I could at least argue that using local models you can manually tune the weights of and modify, while not to the same degree as making it yourself, still shows some level of work you're willing to put in, but you're not even doing that.
At that point, why not just use pre-made assets available online for free?

>>715066134
Nothing wrong with it. That's not making you stop and question something if you >>715066134
see it in a game

>>715066060
are you satisfied? shes a bit different.

>>715061093
aaayyyyeee you need to pay some schmuck to halfass some art for your game whose usual content is furry diaper scat porn aahhh the industry is dying if you dont buy that faggots overpriced services !! !

saar is it really so bad if I smear shit on the canvas instead of painting? I am one man saar

>>715065410
>>715066134
Misaligned pixels don't matter when it's not pixel art to begin with
Look INSIDE the "pixels"

>>715066351
Not all modern games released are the same.

>>715066479
I'm putting a lot of effort to game play and story. I've spent many hours on this project even though I genned all art.

>>715066518
Honestly yes I'm satisfied.

>>715064990
My concept art for this ai pic

>>715066751
putting effort into something doesn't give it any extra inherent value
when you eventually fail, you can cry how "B-B-BUH I WOWKED WEAWWY HAWD" and nobody in the world will hear

>hey guys demo guy here
>yup, me again hi, got a demo here
>guys, me, demo, hi
>yeah got a demo
>yeah demo guy from before just sitting on this demo haha so any advice or….. I worked hard on this demo just saying
>yeah gonna release just y’know I still ugh… gotta…
SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY go to /vg/ and annoy the game dev thread

>>715066060
Why is your concept art also AI generated?

>>715067163
sovl

>>715066495
You don't understand the point of artistic traditions. AI "art" is not real art because it rejects Mortimer J. Adler's idea of the Great Conversation: "What binds the authors together in an intellectual community is the great conversation in which they are engaged. In the works that come later in the sequence of years, we find authors listening to what their predecessors have had to say about this idea or that, this topic or that. They not only harken to the thought of their predecessors, they also respond to it by commenting on it in a variety of ways.
The AI has merely imitated the most superficial aspects of pixel art without understanding the context that produced them. OP pic is like claiming you speak Chinese then saying "ching chong nip nong". It's immediately distracting to anybody with good taste.
>>715066572
I ignored those artifacts because they're easily fixable. They're equivalent to people upscaling pixel art with non-integer nearest-neighbor scaling: ugly and tasteless but not a fundamental rejection of tradition.

>>715066751
First, post gameplay. Put your money where you're mouth is.
Second, and this is back to the main point, if you're taking whatever slop is thrown at you by GPT, why not just use fucking free assets found online?

>>715067212
fucking hilarious

>>715067212
Whjo the fuck cares what shittimer j.h.c. buffoonery esq. said about anything moronnnnnnnnnn go wear your steampunk fedoraaaaaaaaaaa

>>715062471
If you use stable diffusion or comfy ui it's incredibly simple but that requires people to read a guide for 5 minutes and to have the money for a good enough rig... Too much to ask

>>715067212
>because it rejects Mortimer J. Adler's idea of the Great Conversation: "What binds the authors together in an intellectual community is the great conversation in which they are engaged
it doesn't at all though
AI art is a fucking massive artistic movement

>>715067212
>The great conversation
Huh, that's actually the first time I've heard the term. So Mortimer is essentially saying that ultimately art is defined by its contribution to that great conversation, in that it both takes inspiration from previous generations (Listening to the predecessors) and comments on it (Creates art for the next generation to take inspiration from). Is that essentially what it boils down to or am I being retarded?

>>715067212
In light of this post I would like to clarify that the original anti-AI wall of text in this thread was NOT generated by ChatGPT and this post is not by the same guy

>>715067741
That's how I understand it at least.

>>715066134
>>715066572
isnt a lot of pixel art just larger images with some clever photoshop processing? so youre just nitpicking about something that is not only a non issue, but also something that nobody playing an indie game cares about.

>>715067212
You're both wrong and not even wrong. The machine learning is the great conversation, old artists have their say due to their art being used and the person who collects the dataset, writes the prompt, inpaints, and edits the output is putting themselves into it with their choices, particularly if they are assembling such outputs into a larger work. not that it matters what some nerd theorist thinks

>>715067368
Noooooo you don't understand you have to treat fascile post hoc descriptions of things as qualifying preconditions of the thing themselve as if it already just existing isn't the ultimate justification.

>>715067741
>>715067994
>the tech that quantifies all existing art styles and lets anyone conjure them up for contemporary and future art doesn't continue "the great conversation"
hard to get more retarded than this.

>>715067741
What a dismal idea to pay deference to. Stay in your grave dead niggas.

>>715068142
>>the tech that quantifies all existing art styles and lets anyone conjure them up for contemporary and future art doesn't continue "the great conversation"
Read this again idiot.

>>715068018
Good pixel art takes into account the limitations of the format from the start. Watch this video breaking down the design of some excellent pixel art (Chrono Trigger):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFp_FSTD2bs
>>715068084
If this was true then it would know to align the pixels correctly.
>>715068142
Imitating surface attributes without understanding is not a conversation.

>>715068018
>>isnt a lot of pixel art just larger images with some clever photoshop processing?
No dumbass.

>>715068404
>Imitating surface attributes without understanding is not a conversation.
You're just saying random shit now. Literally
>t-that doesn't count

Tfw when Ai will get to the point where you can't even tell it's Ai anymore and businesses and artists will no longer need to disclose that because it's virtually unrecognizable. Those who refused to adapt to the tools will be left behind in terms of graphic design or entrepreneurship. Sorry that this is the future but I guess you can be bitter about it, not like it'll change anything...
>Ree if I scream loud enough people will realize this is bad! If I don't buy from companys using Ai they'll simply stop using it, they surely wouldn't hide that it's Ai to negate any backlash from the vocal minority that simply isn't a possibility!

>>715059742 (OP)
>I am one man.
You are not working on the game so in reality you are zero man.

>>715068084
>>715068142
I wouldn't say it doesn't contribute to the conversation, but I think something can be said for the complexity of what you can say with generative art alone. It's comparable with trying to respond in a conversation through those toy buttons that put out a single pre-recorded line when you press them. You can certainly get your point across, but it is still far more limited than what you could say simply speaking.

>>715068475
The AI obviously doesn't know why pixel art looks the way it does. If it had that understanding it would immediately see that OP pic looks wrong. All it knows is limited color palette and sharp edges, which are just surface attributes. It doesn't understand like a human does in >>715068404 video. There are no AI-generated pixel-art character sprites of the same quality as those in CT.

>>715063454
>“Why the fuck would I ever play YOUR AI slop if the tech is good enough for me to make my own

Because even with this, you're still too lazy to commit to anything.

>>715060085
Here's a version of that pic that doesn't look like R Kelly had his way with it, anon

We're approaching technological breakthroughs that will allow the common consumer to have proto-holodecks, within a decade.
You will be able to vocally describe to the AI a scenery, a time frame, characters and a context, and it will generate that for you on the fly. And if you don't like it, just adjust it but by bit or "swipe" it until it looks good.

We already have this, in the form of AI Chatbots. But ultimately, it's just text on a screen. But once we get really good at making AI that can do multiple things at once, or binding together different models that each do one task, proto-holodecks will be possible.

>>715067212
>complains about others not "contributing to the great conversation"
>has to quote someone elses gibberish

>>715068018
>isnt a lot of pixel art just larger images with some clever photoshop processing?
No. How do you think pixel art was created before photoshop existed?
I've worked as an artist for games with pixel graphics before, creating assets and animating them. The maps, objects, characters, all are created in small 10x10 to 100x100 canvases, pixel by pixel.
Why do people that have no understanding of something, chip in with their ignorance? You could've just asked for clarification in an inquiring manner, instead of spreading blatant falsehoods as truths.

>>715068849
This one's a great example of lack of understanding too. To a human artist, "trefoil knot" means something. The AI put a broken trefoil knot at the focal point of the image. Why is it broken? Who cares, just consume and move on. There's no actual meaning behind it.

>>715068849
thank you based anon

>>715068861
And?

>>715068587
I can see why you would think that.

>>715067227
Free assets aren't unique

>>715069063
At the very least, it's going to be like a Going Into Video Games machine.

>>715068964
>before photoshop existed?
>It was created in 1987 by Thomas and John Knoll.
Dumb loser.
>I've worked as an artist for games with pixel graphics before,
And you never will again :) Yes I'll have double fries with that, one for you after I stick it in my ass so you have something to eat lollllllllllll

>>715062901
Ai will never replace real artists, they need them to copy, they can't make shit themselves. It is more likely artists will be paid to feed their algo if laws ever pass, and if not, they will just keep stealing like right now for free

>>715068964
whats your blood pressure like right now? youre finding it difficult to read.

>>715069137
That's not gameplay

There are perfectly reasonable use of AI art that nobofy cares.
For example, blurred backgrounds of VN.
Nobody gives a damn, if the girls are drawn.

>>715069240
I'm not posting gameplay rhe game sprites are place holders

>>715069027
If you actually gave a shit you could fix the misalignments manually and then maybe you'd fool some people into thinking it was real art.

>>715069026
>prompt knot (which no one would know from the name without reference btw)
>get that knot
>write schizo shit about how the machine doesn't "understand" instead of taking 5 seconds to mask and inpaint

>>715069468
well its still being developed you know. Plus i see nothing wrong with that sheep.

I'll honestly be impressed if you can get a usable sprite sheet from AI.

>>715069137
They don't need to be. ancient chinese secret

>>715069515
But none of the AI "artists" actually did that because they did not put in the work to develop good taste.
>>715069597
That one's fucked up too. Look at the back legs.

>>715064971
>"I'm a lazy shit that wants shortcuts to a complete product"
Dude you just described every indie developer regardless of whether or not they use AI images. That's it. That's the current indie zeitgeist.

>>715069692
they are doing it right now dumbfuck, time takes place in time

>>715069692
That's perspective idiot

>>715064971
>the people that give enough of a shit to scour Steam or itch.io for indie games
Pro tip: Skip itchio. If it's not on Steam then the developer knows the game wasn't good enough to spend $100 to put on there.

>>715069894
It's not pixel art.

>>715062264
Og concept. Lol I know I can't draw. That's why I use AI.

I still think my ai use is ethical and doesn't negatively affect the user.

>>715069913
Good thinking. But fir a demo is itchio good?

>>715069772
this, also anti shits routine is "im a lazy shit who wants shortcuts to a generation of artists seasoned on tools they got 5 minutes ago" if you weren't a lazy shit you'd be making your own awesome AI art instead of castigating actual doers

>>715069972
soul (traded for soulvoid)

>>715069172
And you honestly think that in 1987 it had some "clever processing" magically assisting in all pixel art? There was different software for making pixel art graphics for games in the 90's and early 2000's, most of it proprietary custom made.
You immediately resorting to insults shows your disingenuous nature.
>And you never will again
Not on pixel graphics, that's for sure, as the medium is terribly time consuming. I hand-draw my sprites digitally, it's fun and takes less time than pixel art.
You didn't have to reinforce the idea of you being an obese shitflinger.
>>715069215
What did I find difficult to read? Elaborate. And I've never had issues with blood pressure, as I don't get angry. Anger is all in your head, there is nothing in this world that should make a person angry, but simpletons like you find the most menial and inconsequential things to get mad at, like someone disagreeing with you. You have a false premise about something, and you get angry that someone corrects you.

>>715069465
Why are you using placeholder sprites if you're generating shit with AI? Isn't the point that you can just generate sprites as you need?

>>715070142
Deluxe Paint was popular for making pixel art in the 90s. It's a lot better suited to it than Photoshop. Check out GrafX2 for something similar that will run on modern computers.

>>715069894
He's talking about the left outline, the dialectic of this picture demands it be closed in order to be internally consistent. also square corners or diagonal corners, stick to one unless you could write a short paragraph or sentence explaining a particular corner calls for a different shape language

>>715070142
just get the ai to parse the text for you dumbass. what year do you think this is?

>>715069894
If it were due to perspective the far front leg would be similarly smaller.

>>715070509
If that was all it would just be bad pixel art, instead of not-even-pixel art.

>>715065340

>>715070509
what

>>715059786
Probably this

>>715059742 (OP)
no one else cares about your game, if you yourself don't care about making it then no one in the world cares
it's that simple

>>715070658
There's that but op should just use higher res vectors instead of pixel art and would have the same problem, it's more fundamental imo

>>715070752
Choosing to do pixel art is choosing to be governed by rules and restrictions. You get to pick what they are but after that should be following them. the fox picture has "everything is surrounded by a dark outline" as a rule but breaks it. if a corner of pixels of the outline uses 3 pixels to make a right angle it's a harder more "square" corner

>>715066060
>>715066831
>>715069465
>>715069972
>I know I can't draw

That kind of mentality is holding you back. The only reason "you can't draw" is because you're telling yourself that. You already have, and you're actually willing to share your art with strangers, which is more than most starting artists are willing to do.

These sketches look as if you spent 20-30 minutes tops on each, doodling on your phone in Sketchbook. I'm hoping that you used some sort of references, but I'm betting you just drew "from imagination". There's nothing wrong with any of that, but the next step should be to refine what you have drawn rather than going the AI route.

I would rather play a game with art done in these sketches if the style between them was consistent. Particularly the third one has a nice style to it and I wouldn't mind a game entirety in that style, maybe refined a little bit.

Try using your existing sketches as a base layer (reduce opacity, then later hide) and doing line art over them. Check out a couple YouTube tutorials and spend a little time refining your art.

Your game will be more successful if you use your own art. AI art gives the feeling that the dev didn't try and didn't care. That they're looking to just make a quick buck. If you actually care about your project, then it deserves the time and effort to use real art.

>>715071418
ok and? dude it's going to be tiny on the screen no one cares

>>715072131
It's obvious that the dev doesn't care either and are just using AI art to get their crap out faster.

I'm willing to bet they're using Ai to code too, which will be hilarious when they're spending more time debugging than actually learning to code or draw.

>>715059742 (OP)
That's the kind of pixel art I was making when I was 13 years old, you don't need AI to make that for you.

Just fucking practice, Christ. I assume you had to practice coding, or are you offloading that to AI too?

>>715069597
It's becoming very clear that you aint developing shit

>>715072765
why would I do AI's job?

>>715059742 (OP)
>mixel frog
Yes. It's pretty bad looking.

>>715072780
yeah I am but Im not pretending its anything good. im doing this as a new hobby. I have a demo with basic relationships in it and farming.

>>715068849
TURN YO FACE INTO A TOILET SEAT

I'M GONNA PISS ON YOU
DRIP DRIP DRIP

>>715072131
The developer of the game, because it's THEIR game.

>>715073130
its not even yellow

>>715073074
based. there's the same mental illness lack of perspective as AAA in indie, just do your thing boss, if the game is good it can look like shit, look at touhou

>>715063275
>I'm notnusing that, I'm using chat gpt
That's Dall-e 4, see how you don't have idea of what you are using?

>>715073787
and?

>>715062901
Retarded reply

>>715062901
Everyone who is denying this post needs to compare the past 15 years with the past several decade periods beforehand and realize how comparatively uninteresting the former has been. I say this shit as someone who doesn't try to entertain doomer takes but this is one aspect I'm worried about. I will say we will probably still see cultural identity in some form, but it's going to always be something more sterile than what came before. We won't see shit get weird and unique again unless this new gilded age ends somehow.

>>715074096
It means that if you want a consistent style you need to use Stable Diffusion with a loras and checkpoint that fits what you have in mind

>>715059742 (OP)
>Is it really so bad if i use AI art in my indie game?
Yes. People will respect you more if you just thug it out scribbles. At least the scribbles will have have heart and a consistent style.
> I am one man
So was ZUN
So was Pixel

>>715069972
I would unironically rather see a game that looks like this drawing than your AI output.

>>715062901
Earthshattering trvth nvke. While culture has always been derivative in some way, there was always the human element making itself manifest in art (through history and technological development). AI slop has nothing human whatsoever, it is only derivative (by design).

>>715062901
Artists lost btw

>>715074694
>While culture
You mean white culture?

>>715059742 (OP)
The only people complaining about AI are the people being replaced by it. So don't feel bad about using it.

>>715072780
ok heres some footage

>>715074941
>people ask the AI artist to draw them something
>AI guy starts to fumble and tells the people that he doesn't know how to draw
And that's how you'll oust talentless hacks.

>>715059742 (OP)
If you are doing it as a personal hobby project, I can understand, but if you mean to actually make and sell a game you are stupid to do it alone, especially if you are unable to actually do everything yourself in the first place.
It cannot be hard to find a couple other people to get the work flowing. Reach out to people you like or whose work you like and see if you can get others onboard.

>>715075879
neat

>>715076460
i want to make games as my career

>>715059742 (OP)
The only thing that matters is if the game is good. Nobody actually gives a singular fuck about anything else. People try to virtue signal against it but they're fake faggots.
If the game is good people will like it. If the game is bad people won't like it.
If you have shitty art, people will call it shit AI or otherwise. If you have good art, people will call it good AI or otherwise.

>>715059742 (OP)
You can do what you want but I will pirate your game and seed it on IPT

>>715074223
>less things happened in 15 years vs 50 years
Wow!
Also, thinking things have not changed significantly in the last 15 years is retarded.
Just because you don't keep up doesn't mean nothing interesting has happened.

>>715076691
What does your game have to offer other than "thing, but I made it"? What game design philosophy are you exploring with this project?

>>715076095
>people ask the digital artists
>They starts to fumble and have panic attacks because he doesn't have the exact brush they do and can't color without all the aid digital provides
lmao

>>715077417
Digital artists can both draw traditional and digital, retarded fuck
you're drawing on a simulated paper
everyone who ever learned to draw, started with traditional

>>715074416
simple character design is also an old and reliable strategy for consistency. you could make dazzi and zoologist with tags and sometimes minimal editing for dazzis hair and teeth, long before they had loras.
the character design op is going for seems simple enough for dall-e/gpt to get with a single reference image.

>>715077382
Fucking this.

Ask yourself, what are you bringing to the table that hasn't been done before?

It looks like you're making a Harvest Moon inspired farming life-sim. Why should I play your game instead of Stardew Valley? What can I get from your game that I can't from SV? Why should I give you money when I can just play SV and maybe get some mods for it?

>>715079107
>digital """""artists"""""" have ctrl + z
>they don't need to know fundies since the software does it for them
>how to color? lol I will just let the computer to that
>so many weird """""""tool""""" that does 99% of the work for them
nah, digital art is not real art and most of them aren't artists.

>>715080981
What tools are there so that I can skip fundamentals like proportion and perspective?

What tools are there that will just color for me so that I can skip color theory?

What tools are their that will take my sketch layer and give me perfect line art so I don't have to spend an eternity undoing every stoke I made until it's perfect?

Please, I would love to know so I can make a killing by producing quick and easy hentai commissions.