The absolute state of Epic Games

Epic is better for developers and you should support it instead of Steam's monopoly.

Brand recognition and loyalty isn't exclusive to boomers and will always come out on top

>>715111339
>Epic is better for publishers
And? Why should I give a shit?

>>715111339
Great. Let me know when it's better for people that actually like video games

>>715111423
But I thought gorillions of Fortnite zoomers were going to start buying games on EGS en masse when they grew up. What happened to that?

>>715112174
Why would they do that when they can keep playing Fortnite? Timmy continues to do it, for free!

>>715111223 (OP)
13,000 is about 40% more than 8,000 so that guy is right.

>>715111339
Please explain to me how steam is a monopoly

>>715112612
He said 8 copies, ESL shitskin

>>715112612

>Unreal Tournament died for this and Fortnite

>>715112641
Because everyone uses it moron.
If Gabe was a good fucking person he'd give up some of his audience for every other store to use.

>>715111339
>LE MONOPOLY
Is this what business failures argue when another service is superior

See, the issue with EGS is why would you want to BUY anything from there when they give you games for FREE? Like, I get the logic behind it. If you give them enough free games maybe they'll stick around to keep all their games, but they won't. I've gotten a bunch of free games from Epic but if I lose the account tomorrow then oh well? I never spent any money of those games, I don't give a shit.

>>715111223 (OP)
>steamies getting uppity
Oh my, is it a day ending in "y"?

>>715112174
Those zoomers only ever cared about Fortnite, the people who thought that they would turn into regular customers for all other PC games are complete and utter fucking morons.

>>715113109
Fortnite is cool

>>715113280
Same.

>>715111339
tim needs a bullet put through his head every time he mentions monopoly because he fucking knows UE itself is a monopoly and hes using it to his advantage to enshitten everything

>>715113109
Epig even removed all Unreal games from online stores.
Just fuck my shit up.

Why are steamies being so obsessed? We rarely ever bring them up but epic Chad live in your head 24/7 lol

>>715112612
>when you cope so hard that you hallucinate a "k"
lmao

>>715113668
steamjeets are malding and coping over knowing there monopoly is failing

>>715113232
>he'd give up some of his audience for every other store to use.
How do you think this works?

>>715111223 (OP)
The only games I've bought on Epic were exclusives.
I don't have a reason to use Epic otherwise.

>>715111223 (OP)
>release unfinished game on EGS
>players report the broken shit I couldn't find
>get 100% of the profit since no game will ever break $1,000,000 on EGS
>fix them
>full release on steam
>praised for being relatively bug free
Not using EGS as a beta testing platform is throwing money away

>>715111339
Developers can eat shit for all I care, how do you like that?

>>715111339
>original idea was that Epic taking less of a cut meant devs could release their games for cheaper on Epic vs Steam
>this has not happened a single time

>>715111339
Steam should put in that sliding scale Humble Bundle has where you can give the developers nothing.

>>715113232
That makes them a market leader, not a monopoly.
Even if that was a problem, how do you fix that exactly? People use Steam because it's currently the best option on the market because the competition is shit. The only possible solution is forcing them to kneecap themselves to make it "fair" for the others who don't want to put in even a tenth of the effort Steam does, which would get laughed out of any real court on the planet.

The actual "problem" is that Steam is a privately owned company, which means they can take their functionally infinite money generation storefront and more or less coast on that while just maintaining it with the occasional upgrade when they feel it's needed. the competition are all public companies which means they're required to chase after the holy line to appease shareholders, so any storefront they make has to relentlessly nickel and dime consumers to show it's making more and more money every year or it gets shitcanned, while any attempt to make actual improvements that will knowingly probably not make the line go up will just result in whoever's responsible getting fired because Dodge v Ford makes not doing everything in your power to make more money for shareholders literally illegal in the US.

>>715111339
Who cares. It's not better for consumers, which makes it worse for developers. That's something timmy is too autistic to understand.

>>715112174
Epic cultivated a userbase of leeches that only play Fortnite and grab whatever free games they're offering while not paying a cent. Epic's userbase increases every year but the amount of money they make per user is plummeting because no one actually buys shit on there, and all the early "WOAH LOOK HOW MANY SALES WE GOT ON EPIC" marketing stunts were literally just Epic paying them in "sales" upfront to get them onto the store.

>>715111339
>instead of 13,000 sales it can only give you 8 (eight) sales
>better

>>715113951
More or less what Supergiant did with Hades and treated the Steam release as the actual release.
Also reminds me of the fucking hilarious marketing push Kingdom Hearts got when it came to Steam and pretty much everyone, Square-Enix themselves included, were basically treating the KH Steam release as the series' debut on PC.
Only reason I even knew the Epic release happened was because I was playing the randomizers on the PS2 version at the time.

>can buy hentai on steam
>cannot buy hentai on EGS
Not interested.

>one liner, reddit screenshot in the OP
>nobody calling OP a fucking faggot retard
this place is dead

Epic tried to bring console exclusive bullshit to PC gaming by paying devs to only release on their store.

Never gonna support Epic
Never gonna buy form Epic
Gonna always Pirate from Epic
Fuck Epic

>>715113668
>We rarely ever bring them up but epic Chad live in your head 24/7
why lie? you're a dedicated EGS spammer who had to make a term to spam

>>715114541
Actual trvke

>>715111339
lol no

>>715114694
This is true. I literally only log in once in awhile to farm free games.

>>715111339
Epic has given away 500 games. Why would I want to buy one and feel like a sucker when they give it away later too.

>>715115059
OP is indeed a faggot, but I want to shit on epic more, so he can suck cock in peace.

>>715113820
>there
Good morning saaar

>>715111223 (OP)
Exclusive EGS release, timed or otherwise, just means it hasn't been released yet. And is also an indicator that there is no faith in the game performing. This has been proven time and again.

>>715111223 (OP)
I wonder how D3 feels about crippling EDF6, its fixed now but the damage is done, it should have been a massive FOTM
If they're smart they will work hard to make 7 a simultaneous multi region multi platform release

>>715113109
It is probably better that UT is dead and buried rather than being a corpse puppeted around by incompetent devs. I wouldn't even trust a remaster being made in the current year.

>>715111223 (OP)
What game?

>>715115567
They'll be fine. EDF's budget is measured in coins.

>>715111339
I do use epic but they dont support linux so I haven't bought from there since I switched. I still play the games I did get & my free ones thougheverbeit

>>715111339
Steam is owned by a private company and not shareholders like Epic is. So no thank you, Epic is jewish and Steam isn't.

>>715115820
I checked their username Over 9000 Zombies, but that game isn't on Ebin games.
However the dev's recent game Terror of Hemasaurus is available on both stores, so it's probably that.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1016180/Terror_of_Hemasaurus/

>>715111223 (OP)
If a game is free on EGS and costs money on Steam, I'll buy it on Steam.

>>715116219
That game was fun. I have a copy.

Not on epic though

>>715116219
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/1016180/Terror_of_Hemasaurus/
I was fully ready to shit on this guy for being a redditor but the game looks pretty fun.

>>715111339
>Epic is better for developers
I don't care about the devs.

>>715113668
>epic Chad
>Singular
sounds about right to me

>>715114196
Seriously. All epic had to do was have their games be like 10 bucks cheaper for everything and steam would probably have been forced to match it. But nope.

>>715111339
>Epic is better for developers
all the more reason to support steam.

>>715115297

Why any consumer would willingly want to go to EPIC when it's completely against them is beyond me. I don't believe they would. I believe every post on this board in favor of them is a shill and you can't convince me otherwise.

>>715111223 (OP)
>13,000 copies sold on steam
>eight on epic
fuckin' kek!

>>715111223 (OP)

>>715116706
Steam actually engaged in anti-competitive behavior by saying they would kick devs off if they priced their game lower on other stores.

>>715117089
Gasp. Clearly they should be sued

>>715117185
I genuinely think the antitrust folks should look into it (note I don't buy anything on epic, just saying it does harm the consumer by artificially raising prices)

i play insurgency sandstorm and EDF with epic players and they fukken suck

>>715117325
It's a shame Steam doesn't actually have a monopoly really. Or maybe Timmy could have tried that.

>>715117089
Explain how that is anti-competitive when they are asking the game be priced the same across stores which would mean the competition for consumer purchase would be equal.

As a platform Epic objectively lacks a lot of features of Steam.

>>715111339
> epic is better for developers
great, lemme know when they make a store that isn't a half-baked chinese spyware front run by a tim sweeney AI that gets confused by the concept of a shopping cart

you know what else is better for developers? me not buying your game on epic so you can release it on steam later with all the bugs fixed, because it turns out using EGS as a paid beta test site doesn’t build a loyal customer base of anything but freeloading fortnite addicts

the only thing epic is better at is giving away trash for free and pretending it's a business strategy. half their users wouldn't pay for a game if it came with a blowjob and a battlepass.
and the rest are probably just alts farming free shit they never launch anyway.
"b-but steam has a monopoly"
yeah no shit, it's almost like they built something people actually want to use

fuck epic, fuck their exclusives, fuck tim, and fuck the absolute state of anyone defending them in 2025

>>715117089
>saying all stores should charge the same is anti-consumer
?

>>715111223 (OP)
Steam is the only case I can think of where most of the competition is actually trying make things worse. Why does every single company think "I will compete with Steam by making PC gaming worse"?

>>715117325
How is it artificially raising prices? They can just opt to not sell on Steam if they are dead set on selling at that lower price on another store. Or they can drop the Steam price to match.

>>715117693
Because it raises the natural market price by abusing their dominant power in the market. This is textbook market abuse that obviously harms the consumer.

>>715117618
The funny thing is that even if the game being given away for free on EGS isn't trash its reputation takes a hit for that very reason because being given away on EGS is a sign of being garbage.

>>715117089
Factually wrong. You're not allowed to sell STEAM KEYS cheaper anywhere else (though the occasional giveaway is ok).
But you're free to price your game however you want on other stores/platforms, as long as you aren't selling Steam keys.

t. Freelance pixel artist, worked with multiple indie game studios during the memedemic days.

>>715117781
But if the price is such a concern then surely the lower price whilst only selling on the one other store should sky rocket their sales right? Why do they need Steam then? Just sell on the other store at the lowest possible price.

>>715111339
>Epic is better for developers
It really isn't, actually. Steam has far more customers so you get more sales. Steam has far more features that attract people to the platform. Steam does free advertisement for you via the recommended and for you tabs. Steam has things like the workshop allowing for mod support if your game supports it.

Really, the only "advantage" EGS has is a lower fee, but who cares? Devs aren't dying because of Steam's fees, lmao. There has never been game studio that was like "Fuuuuck if the fee was only 15% we'd have been able to make the next AAAA game and keep our studio afloat!!!"
The problem with indie game dev is that there are so many games released every day and every week and every month and every year that it is feast or famine. Most games tend to sit in the under 100 reviews camp or will get to above 1,000 and once you're above 1,000 you start getting more and more recommendations and momentum and eyes on your project. Steam can't really do anything about that. EGS can't either. No one can. You're entering into a cutthroat market. Deal with it.

>>715117874
>But you're free to price your game however you want on other stores/platforms, as long as you aren't selling Steam keys.
Oh is that true? In that case I'm wrong and retract my statement, I thought it was all sales

>>715117089
Which may be a point, but devs who took exclusivity didn't lower their prices either way.

>>715111339
If Steam was a monopoly, EGS wouldn't even exist. You absolute troglodyte.

>>715112612
anon is speed reading

>>715118220
Threadly reminder that the first $70 dollar game on PC launched as an Epic Exclusive (Kingdom hearts)

>>715118416
I thought it was FF7 Remake?
Same company either way.

>>715111223 (OP)
I'm actually amazed the ratio is even that close. idk anyone whos spent money in the egs. I have a few friends who claim the freebies there sometimes and that's it

>>715118464
I claim the freebies every week. I haven't played a single one.

>>715114541
Steam is one of the (many) examples of how publicly-traded companies were a mistake. Privately owned is better in just about every way and I'm not afraid to say it. Every company that I can think of that I genuinely really, really like and have no real issues with (from grocery chains to developers) is privately owned. They're also unironically more true to the spirit of a capitalist system.

>>715117781
>it raises the natural market price
but it doesn't
if they want to sell at $50 instead of $60 then they're totally free to do so, as long as it happens universally across all distributors
all valve is asking is that you don't use their platform as a form of advertising while selling at a lower price elsewhere

>>715118123
>pic
Why's that guy's dick talking

>>715111223 (OP)
>8 copies on Epig
LMAO. That's 8 more than most other games on that Chinese Malware store get.

>>715111339
>Epic is better for developers
I'm not a developer, so I don't give a shit.

PS: eat shit, Chink.

>>715113232
do you want him to ban half a steam users so they'll go to other storefronts or something?

>>715113109
for me it was Paragon
it was still up and running when fortnite existed in its coop pve form, but a few months after the BR mode blew up Paragon was shut down
obviously the reasoning was to stop paying for a game they considered 'dead' and move those devs over to fortnite but it still sucks
I will give Timmy credit though, they released all of Paragon's assets for free upon shutdown and basically said "do whatever you want with it" which has led to fans trying to remake it
it's also available if you're using unreal assets; if you've ever played Bullets Per Minute you've fought Sevarog

>>715113109
its worse than that
epig pushed an update that broke the copies of all the UT games people owned THEN removed it from every other store

>>715113280
I've actually spent money on Epic once or twice. Sometimes they'll put a game up for free that just had or is about to have a dlc. That way they at least get people buying the dlc's because they liked the game they got for free.

>>715118258
standard oil was a monopoly and competitors tried to exist, but standard would sell oil at a loss to bankrupt said competition then acquire all their holdings at auction for nothing.

>>715111339
THANK YOU SAAR I WILL SUPPPORT INDIA AND ISRAEL GAL GADOT BEAUTIFUL SAAR

>>715111339
It must upset "them" that they don't own the monopoly. Also that steam is a private company that can't be destroyed from within.

>>715117089
How is saying "you have to match the price" anti-competitive? If you're selling lower elsewhere, it's totally fair for Valve to say "you need to match that here."

Or do you think Wal-mart/et. al. shouldn't price match when the same item is $20 less at Target?

>Epic releases mobile games store
>"Oh neat I wonder which of my games I claimed are on there"
>There's no crossbuy
>They expect me to not only claim their free shovelware on both stores separately but also rebuy every game to get the mobile versions
lol
lmao even

>>715119307
Wait you're shitting me, they don't have cross buy?

>>715114523
Humble stopped that becasue they were getting 0% of the cut most bundles. Now it's a flat 12% to them and like 5% to the developer while giving 0% to the charity.

Not that Humble has had anything beyond their books for the past ten years.

>>715119307
Can Timmy do anything right?

>>715119295
most companies do have pricematch guarantees last i checked howeveralthoughbeit

>>715119174
And what is Steam doing to bankrupt its competitors anon? Your example is pointless because it doesn't apply to this situation.

>>715119307
WARNING, TRUTHBOMB COMING UP:

JUST LIKE SONY AND NINTENDO LMAO

>>715115297
>This retard was also glazing Grok earlier
Why is Timmy Tencent so retarded? (Don't answer that, we all know why: Because he takes Chinese cock up his ass)

>>715119353
Nope. Try it out for yourself if you want. Clam the free game this week on PC and you don't automatically get the mobile version and vice versa
Some devs even went as far as to name their games different things like "Super Meat Boy Forever Mobile" to avoid it even being the same game

I will never support Epic or anything Tim does since that rat was saying PC is dead and consoles are the future, then memory-holes it and sneaks into the PC market with a dogshit product for money. Why anyone would support a kike like Tim is beyond me

>>715119425
just pointing out that a monopoly is all about market control to the point of anti-consumer and anti-competition, not just market share. Which a digital storefront can't really have.

>>715113109
I keep wondering why the retard runs epig and not that guy who made doom john romero or whatever

>>715118123
>"Fuuuuck if the fee was only 15% we'd have been able to make the next AAAA game and keep our studio afloat!!!"
I don't even know why anyone would bitch beyond the publishers and they can get bent for all I care. Valve is like every other fucking storefront and charging a flat 30%. Why was it only STEAM that they had a bug up their ass about.

Timmy Tencent should've removed Fartshite from PSN and XBL if he had such a fucking hardon about the 30% cut. OH WAIT, he didn't, becuase that'd fuck over his revenue stream.

>>715112612
You need to remove a few zeroes (3) from that 8,000, champ.

>>715119602
You're not being slick.
You're just being a retard.

>>715119704
Not only would he not cut off his main revenue source, he actively defends them taking 30%.

>>715113585
I think the master servers were Gamespy though, so unless a third party stepped up...

>>715119541
what a slimy bastard

>>715117089
I genuinely hope that one day we figure out who pays people to shill garbage like this, and start doing something about both them and the shills.

>>715119602
Yes you are right, I only replied since your post was reading like it was kind of implying Steam was acting like Standard Oil rather than just clarifying part of what makes an actual monopoly. I think it is funny though that in a sense the exclusives stuff is more anti-consumer/competitive than basically anything else being complained about. And the only one doing that is EGS. Sure other publisher store had it too but arguably it doesn't entirely apply since they did it for their own products rather than buying up exclusive rights to others like EGS is.

>>715111223 (OP)
EIGHT (8) COPIES

>>715111339
I pay the same both places, why would I change?

>>715119880
Why is it that Epic can bribe every big publisher to use Epic Online Services but they can't host their own game?

>>715120116
it's because, uhhhhhh
you know it's, that
the reason is
oh right monopoly
monopoly
monopoly

>>715120119
Because spending time on that takes an employee away from the Fortnite mines.

>>715119817
I'm retarded because (you) misunderstood me and think I'm claiming steam is a monopoly by citing an actual monopoly, what it could and did do, and pointing out a digital storefront can't really exert any control over the market?

okay.

Sometimes I wonder how genuinely horrible PC gaming would be if Valve never existed. Epic and its store feels like a glimpse into some dystopian future.

>>715119903
Marketing or lobby groups basically. Done in an attempt to sway opinion or manufacture the appearance of a consensus to present as evidence. Even once the paid cycle is done it doesn't entirely stop since if it is stupid and hot enough of a take to incite people trolls will use it for bait. Or the retards dumb enough to not parse information correctly and see it for the shilling it is will continue to parrot it because they genuinely believe it to be true.

>>715120119
Priorities. Also, I guess Tim felt cute setting that money on fire cuz he'll recoup it from fortnite in ten minutes anyway.
At least it makes me not feel so bad when I do what would be literally piracy.

I have an indie game on steam and we didn't even consider listing on EGS because of the overhead of two storefronts and stuff like
>8 sales
even their promise of waving their cut for a year wouldn't mean shit in real dollars.
unless they gave me a flat $ bonus for listing my game there it doesn't make financial/business sense to spend the time setting up and managing a listing on EGS.

>>715120343
It probably would have imploded a long time ago or would be a significantly reduced market compared to what it is now. Unfortunately I doubt that it would have positively impacted the console market either since their demise is one of their own creation outside of what PC was doing. The only winner would probably be Gamestop assuming the lack of a good digital storefront meant that retail store purchases stayed the norm.

>>715120343
No idea, maybe someone else would step up.
$team was complete garbage for a long time.
But then I remember Games for Windows™ and garbage DRM like SecuROM so I think it could be worse.

>>715117325
>I genuinely think the antitrust folks should look into it
some lawyer is doing a class action on this as we speak, basically every dev on steam got an email last week asking if they wanted to join.

>>715120440
>he'll recoup it from fortnite in ten minutes anyway.
Fortnite isn't the juggernaut it once was.
Hell wasn't it last year he fired over 800 employees since his company was bleeding over a billion a year?

>>715113232
I appreciate this bait-post, anon. Gave me a hearty chuckle.

>>715111339
>Epic is better for developers
How is Epic Store better for developers if nobody buys games in it

>>715111339
I hate developers

>>715120668
The market would probably have been chopped up and divided into the major publisher distribution platforms. Which would be terrible since you can see how they did when they were already competing with Steam so one can only imagine what it would be like without that. Maybe BNet would have expanded beyond Blizzard stuff. Regardless I doubt any of it would be as consumer focused as Steam.

>>715116771
I picked up tons of free games off Epic through website and to this day I haven't bothered installing the client at all just to drain Timmy's wallet.

>>715120821
one thing they do is have IARC support, for me to get my game rated in Australia on Steam I have to give the government $1500.
but on epic I just fill out a questionnaire and my game counts as rated legally.

still not worth listing there, but god knows why steam doesnt have this feature.

>Indians are now waking up
rip thread

>>715119906
anti-competitive practices aren't just "haha i have something you don't have," they're the ability to actively undermine competition through the market. Which in, say, oil would be selling at a massive loss because you can eat the loss longer than the competition can survive not selling any at all. but since if a digital storefront sold video games at/below "cost" (like 99.9% off as the only things games on a digital storefront "cost" is upload bandwidth) the only entity they'd "harm" would be the developer.

as it stands, people stick with steam because all their games are on steam. the closest thing to an anti-competitive practice steam employs is how the "played on another platform" ticker does shit for recommendations.

>>715121101
That sounds more like Epic isn't actually following the law or requirements for proper classification in Australia then. Though no one would know that since no one buys games from EGS to run into the lack of proper classification. Well that or EGS being Chinese owned and Australia basically being a satellite state of China these days means they get favouritism.

>>715121190
>they're the ability to actively undermine competition through the market
I remember reading that they only care if the consumer is harmed in some way, which has to be proven.
i.e. consumers can't buy bread to eat because big wheat is strangling local bakeries.

>>715121347
>That sounds more like Epic isn't actually following the law
nah IARC is recognized legally by the Australian government, every other storefront (google, apple, etc.) has it but steam refuses to for some reason.

>>715111339
epic is worse for developers because nothing sells on it

>>715121073
Steam is only like this until Gabe lives, once the company turns into publicly traded it's all Ogre.

>>715121438
the thing with standard oil is they'd only sell at a loss within the geographic reach of the competition, everyone else got gouged. and if they had no competition, everyone got gouged. it was a vicious cycle where
>this is too expensive I could easily drill and sell cheaper
>prices drop anywhere anyone could afford to drive to an buy from you
>i am now bankrup
>standard now has more oil and another derrick for nothing

The average Epic user probably isn't even aware there are other games on Fortnite launcher.

>>715116771
>Why any consumer would willingly want to go to EPIC
they don't, hence why tim burned a billion dollar hole in his pocket on timed exclusivity to no avail

>>715120343
Before Steam exploded around 2011-2013, PC gaming was slowly dying. During PS3/X360 era we didn't often didn't get ports or got them late in an awful state because they sold like shit.

>>715111339
I don't know anon 13k vs 8 sales is a hard sell.

>>715114541

>>715121871
Fortnite is a fun game but I wish it never existed because without it Epic would go bankrupt and Unreal Engine would disappear or be bought by a more competent company maybe nvidia. The open secret in gamedev is that there is a well optimized UE5 fork in nvRTX branch but Snoy and MS don't like devs using it.

>>715122123
Well from what I've heard is before Fortnite took off moral for making games at Epic was pretty low and being just an engine company was the route they were going since all their live service attempts were failures.
I don't know about the nvidia fork being some secret optimized version but I can say the performance between the current version (5.6) and release is massive, like getting a decent framerate was hell without upscaling but now I can get 90-110 fps in scenes without upscaling at 4K. Problem is UE games that get released on older versions so get fucked over being early adopters.

>>715117071
Would buy Alan Wake 2 on steam. I will never buy anything on Epic and will only claim the free games. Epic Store is garbage tier. They have been giving away games for almost 7 years and the store and launcher are still absolutely terrible.

the only reason I ever open EGS is to download whatever free game there is to get. I then never install or play the free game but FOMO forces me to grab it just in case.

>>715111223 (OP)
kek

>>715111339
to be honest I support neither. gog is better

>>715120343
>Sometimes I wonder how genuinely horrible PC gaming would be if Valve never existed
gog would have taken over and we have entered a new golden era of pc gaming

>>715123546
Hard to say if GOG would have even existed since arguably one of the primary reasons for its existence was to be 'Steam but without DRM'. And it was Steam that really proved the market for digital distribution as a general platform instead of Publisher specific. The only other one I can think of that was at least approaching a similar concept to Steam was, if I am remembering correctly, Origin prior to EA acquisition.

>>715121921
One of the factors in that was that in the late 90s and early 00s PC Gaming on GNU/Linux based OSes had become a thing. Mostly due to big games at the time being native, and Linux users hosting the servers for the games.
What was the big event that happened immediately prior to that period? Epic Games took a bunch of money from Microsoft to stop supporting Linux.
What was it that happened in 2013 that got Steam going again? Native GNU/Linux support.

Sure, Linux users are a small minority, about one in twenty English speaking PC users, but compared to Windows users they are older, make more money, buy more games, and are actually interested in the strength of open platforms. If you ignore that core user base, the general public doesn't care about open platforms and will start to gravitate towards walled gardens.

It also answers the question of why EGS is nowhere. No Linux support. How do you expect to grow your user base as a new player, if you ignore a key group of early adopters who might be easily swayed with a message about the danger of near-monopoly power?

>>715123546
I like GOG more than Steam but it would not have jumpstarted the market or had the presence that Steam had. Nor would a lot of publishers used it precisely because of the thing that makes it so good (lack of DRM). Lots of publishers STILL don't use it for that reason. If Steam hadn't ever existed, GOG wouldn't have dominated the market because there either wouldn't be a flourishing PC digital distribution market or every publisher would have just had their own isolated launcher with a shitload of DRM (like what was already happening before Steam took the crown).

>>715117089
is that really true? there are a bunch of games that get promos on gog but not on steam

>>715120945
I bet white executives are grinning ear to ear reading you say that.

>>715120343
People were genuinely going mental over GFWL taking over and Microsoft forcing paid online on PC games after taking over enough of the market, so many fucking games in the late 2000s used it
If it wasn't for Steam becoming massive around the same time they would have 100% tried it

>>715111339
>Epic is better for developers
I already support Steam you don't have to encourage me

>>715124617
There's also a bunch of games ranging from small to midsize indie with a few big publsiher games that are available for cheaper at base price in other stores aside from steam.
Its just rare compared to most games that put a similar price across stores.

Which very much makes me doubt the authenticity of that claim.

>>715111339
Not until it's better for players too

>>715118691
>bunch of people put the equivalent of 1% of their money on something
>if it doubles they go HOORAY!
>if it goes bankrupt they go "eh" and do it all over again

publicly-traded shit is a rich faggot casino. its an absolutely nightmare for consumers if whatever you are using requires any type of stability, like a game store or a game engine. since nobody takes the blame and they can just start all over again in another company when shit goes down they can always just wreck and rape consumers whenever they wake up and feel like it. the words "reputation" and "brand image" literally don't exist in a system like this.

>>715124731
>white

>>715125905
some people have been proposing that any investors with voting shares ought to cover company losses for a period of 1~3 years (amount depends on amount and type of shares and stake (i.e. if you're part of management you're on the hook for the whole 3 years))

>>715116219
>legally distinct rampage
hmmm... interesting...

>>715111339
>developers
Publishers.

>>715126302
That's right. The ones who keep making the decision to outsource their game's labor to the cheapest workers.

>>715111339
steam is better for me though

i feel like the same people complaining about steam being a monopoly are the same faggots who cry that the government should do something about nvidia "monopoly." like is it nvidia's (and steam's) fault that the competition are a bunch of drooling retards at the left of the bell curve. it's even more nonsensical with steam because steam actually has every single feature you could ask for implemented well

>>715128552
I won't talk about the fat kike gaben, but jewvidya is without a dobut a horrid company. it got to the top via treachery and deception (see physx to cripple AMD, pushing goyworks onto devs to gimp AMD and the tessellation scandal in games like crysis 2 and arkham city, where they crippled performance on their own cards because it would hurt amd more).
stop defending corporations retard.

>>715128552
>like is it nvidia's (and steam's) fault that the competition are a bunch of drooling retards at the left of the bell curve
yes

>>715128873
read my sentences again retarded tranny. and above all else, stop being so pissed that despite decades of setting the precedent for what a good storefront is, no company has been able to replicate 1% of what makes steam good

>>715119704
The funny thing is Steam doesn't usually take the 30%. Apparently negotiating them down from 30% is trivial and a lot of indies get bigger shares. Not down to 12% like Epic because that's unsustainable(and is in fact literally why Tim chose 12% which is only doable because they had Fortnite money to subsidize the loss) but a lot less than most other stores.

>>715124731
>>715126910
You seem like you're an insufferable faggot.

>>715114694
I never really understood how free services make enough money off whales to justify their existence.
But then corporate bank accounts aren't public domain.

>>715111423
>Brand recognition and loyalty
It's none of that gay shit when one thing is much better than the other thing, you retarded boomer brained child.

>>715119425
what if steam stops being this le epic gaymer chungus venture and valve became yet another generic AAA hungry for the max value possible with games barely reaching alpha-tier development and shady schemes? you cannot put all of your eggs in a single basket anon

>>715111339
They should offer a better service if they want me to switch.

>>715123546
That's stupid. Big publishers on average for the autists who are too mindbroken to understand general statements do not want their new games to not have DRM.

>>715115297
Man Timmy really was overconfident thinking he could beat steam just by buying a couple of exclusives and hoping all the publishers would just jump in with him.

>>715131937
If steam went to shit people would just pirate everything and confidence in an already shaky market would drop to 0. It would cause a market crash that would make the last year of layoffs look like a picnic. The industry would be fucking done. But this idea that people should use inferior platforms managed by greedy fucking retards just so they don't "put all your eggs in one basket" is laughable.

>>715131937
So I need to start giving my purchasing power to a company that is already all of those things you just described?

>>715131937
So in this hypothetical scenario where Valve goes evil, you are saying that Epic would somehow stop being evil and retarded to save modern gaming?

>>715128873
>nvidia made good software and there was one game 15 years ago that had a bug and that's unfair because shitty AMD cards couldn't handle basic video game effects
That's retarded. If some buggy as shit game comes out and runs worse on Nvidia cards is that also proof of some conspiracy or does it only go one way?
Not to mention that the idea of a dev intentionally crippling his game for a large group of potential customers makes no sense for anybody who understands profit margins.

>>715112612
>Guy clearly makes a joke
>5 retards take him at face value

EGS will never succeed as long as Timmy is the face of it.

>>715132592
What if you are the retard?

>>715117071
>I like this hotdog but I don't like your hotdog cart
>I prefer that hotdog cart
Do they not think restaurants are better to eat in? Why does Epic only sell hotdogs?

>>715131937
Hey if that happens I'll stop buying from them but until then I'd rather keep all my shit in one account.

>>715119112
>Paragon
>it was still up and running when fortnite existed
I... remember that...

>>715119112
I remember playing this shit with a friend because it was one of the like 3 games that had PC-PS4 crossplay at the time

>>715131937
>what if steam was a generic AAA hungry for max value possible
>with games barely reaching alpha-tier dev
>and shady schemes
Haha, imagine if TF2 had FOMO limited edition lootboxes, and they required keys bought separately, or P2W "cosmetics", and the entire game was filled with haxxors and headshot script kiddies,
Dota 2 had the same lootboxes and let you gamble on match outcomes,
Or if they released a bad digital card game
Or if they owned a platform that is built on selling the lowest, buggiest, most predatory slop, where there are entire awful genres that didn't exist before and they're all referred to informally like "Friendslop", "Visual Novel", "Streambait" or called by the devs something like "Simulator", imagine if that happened
Haha

What an awful world. Let's stop imagining it and talk about Half-Life 3 and how it's great that Valve released such a perfect game. Imagine if they called it something like Hunt Down the Freeman and it was a scummy money grab. Gaben would never!

>>715111339
why should i care about developers? I pay my money i get a product it's up to them where they publish. If more people use steam you go to where you get more players.

FUCK DEVELOPERS
FUCK PUBLISHERS
ONLY GAMERS MATTER!

your gambling you game will be sold and you choose the place with less people to buy your shit it's your fault.

>>715133438
I understand and agree with a lot of your post but why are we bringing a third party fan game into the equation?

>>715111339
Fuck you Tim give me more free games.

>>715133596
Half-Life and Freeman aren't public domain. Gabe could have said no. Gabe chose instead to sell it.

>>715111223 (OP)
Valve doesn't support blockchain games as much as Epic does. Gabe is literally stuck in past while there is a new web3 games waiting for a small push from a big company
They have no idea how profitable some of them could be

Epic at least supports web3 games so I will always be on EGS's side

>>715133438
Valve screwed over the Artifact fanbase by cancelling the Artifact 2.0 beta without even allowing users to invite friends like they said they would in January 2021 and does not deserve your financial support for these gross consumer-unfriendly practices.

>>715133438
i've spent like 4 or 5 dollars at most buying games on steam or any gaming platform in general. Benefits of being a third worlder i guess
>>715132527
All companies in general turn evil or wait to fuck you in the ass with enough power. I'm just saying that it would be good for us as the consumer base to keep them fighting each other and don't forge enough grip on the market

>>715132592
>clearly
Very funny joke retard

>>715111223 (OP)
i only buy indie games if they were onnsteam first, usually innearly access because i can spot winners from a mile away, every singke early access indie i've bought has gone on to a full retail release and VERY MUCH fanfare, in fact a perplexingly large amount of fanfare for these games that i think are just adequate

>>715113232
that's not what a monopoly is, retard epig gay faggot

>>715111339
Timmy shouldnt have abandoned PC for consoles and allow Gabe to create his "monopoly" by single handedly saving PC gaming

>>715113109
ut99 was a fluke, a broken clock is right twice a day type of thing, lightning in a bottle

>>715134571
If someone else wants to make a consumer friendly platform akin to Steam then I would be all for it. But Epic can go fuck themselves if they believe anyone would back them if only to play devil's advocate of a hypothetical scenario were there were no longer pro-consumer platforms around. The only thing Epic needs to do to compete is pull its head out of its ass and reach feature parity to Steam. They can't cry about lack of market share when they aren't really doing anything to try and compete in the market to begin with.

>>715113569
timmy tencent is the biggest fucking retarded faggot assed nigger to have ever walked the earth, when steam was launching this fucking faggot LITERALLY UNIRONICALLY AND VERY PUBLICLY SAID: "HURRR DURRR IT'LL NEVER WORK, MUH PC GAYMING IS DEAD BECAUSE OF PIRACY" when he could have fucking just gone and done his quarter-assed shameless copying of steam back then, 20 fucking years ago, until waiting to see that his dumb nigger ass was of course proven wrong as of course he wuild be because he's such a retarded nigger that he cannot even see past his own fucking nose

>>715124617
Well ya but GoG doesn't use Steam keys so the price-matching doesn't come into play

>>715113951
kinda based but i'm going to be honest with you, any game that is on epig first is automatically disqualified from being a game, same for all unstraight troongine games

>>715115297
timfaggot sweengay is sheer hubris personified

>>715116219
i'm gpingnto buy this on steam just to shit on tim faggot sweeney's head

>>715116382
unbelievably based and fuck tim faggot sweeneypilled

>>715117089
>>715135330
maybe because no one considers selling steam keys at a cheaper price as if you were a third party as the first party as something even remotely intelligent besides that one genuinely subhuman retard who keeps suing valve
if i wasn't 100% convinced he was subhuman and too stupid to be some sort of weird attempt at destabilizing valve that's what i'd think he was

like jesus fuck just make a basic bitch store and distribute the game directly
you don't even have to actually make a real website i bet some dog shit low code platform like squarespace probably has a prefab that literally covers that exact usecase

>>715117089
and epig engages in anti-competitive behavior with consolenigger-tier exclusivoty deals and embedding spyware malware in unstraoght troongine which scans your steam folder among other shit and phones home about it, fuck you nigger

>>715113232
That's not what a monopoly is, retard. A monopoly would be if the government was actively preventing anyone from competing with Steam, which they aren't.

timmy tencent needs to be drawn and quartered for his enduring chrimes against videogames and humanity

>>715132626
if the epic shareholders took timmy in chains on live tv and blew his fucking brains out, i would be more accepting of egs

>>715135837
>he thinks le guvmint is the one creating monopolies
sweet summer child

You guys need to realize these threads aren't Epic shills that you're debunking, Timmy cannot afford those, they're Indians that are using you to do their business/English class homework

There is no point in debating here because he doesn't come from an authentic source.

>>715136282
>he doesn't know
typical epig gay faggot

>>715119880
Epic ran the master servers themselves until they removed them. Still no reason to remove the single player Unreal and Unreal 2, and community run master servers exist. With one config file change the games are basically completely restored.

>>715111223 (OP)
Gaben has cultivated a base of 100+ million customers trained to spend money on video games.
Tim has a collection of children trained to spend money on fortnite bux and receive games for free.

>>715119880
Third party Master Servers for unreal based games are available

>>715132592
hey fuck you mothman

>>715111339
Which one is better for the customers?

>>715137434
Fitgirl

>>715111223 (OP)
https://techraptor.net/gaming/news/only-1-of-lets-build-zoo-sales-came-from-epic-games-store

>>715112612
13k, 8k. If the next one is 21k I'll start to see a pattern.

>>715136206
The shareholders are Tencent, and even without Timmy EGS would still be a Minimum Viable Product built to maximize profits YoY for a bunch of chinks in suits. Epic can't compete on equal terms with Valve, who are beholden to nothing but Gabe's whims, and whose services are designed for robustness, ease of use/access, and long-term sustainability. The existing gap will inevitably widen as the increasing pressure to bring in ever greater profits forces EGS to enshittify.

>>715111339
>EGS is better for Devs
Don’t devs actually need their games to sell?

>>715137434
GOG

>>715133998
That was fun when it happened.

>>715116219
>open thread to laugh at Timmy
>end up buying a game
is this advertising

>>715111223 (OP)
How is Epic making most of their money these days? Is it just through engine licensing alone? I haven't heard anyone talk about Fortnite in a while so I guess it must not be their cash-cow anymore.

>>715138374
money laundering fee. It's the only reason to use EGS.

>>715112174
They'll still use EGS as a fortnite launcher regardless

>>715130612
That's not true at all and only happens with the big publishing companies maybe or the big studios. Valve doesn't give a shit about your indie studio cause you have to play game on their platform.

Most people also forget about US tax laws and because it goes through steam, you have to pay US tax too so you effectively can be only getting 50% of your profit after steam and tax.

>>715130612
The cuts actually get lower after certain sales thresholds.
30% of the first $10 million in sales, 25% between 10 and 50 million, and 20% after those.

>>715138270
>only one month between posts

>>715138374
>Is it just through engine licensing alone?
Unlikely. Unreal has a strong grip on the industry, but it was never a cash cow for them unlike V-bux. We're talking the low hundreds of millions versus several billions. Even if Fortnite's profits dropped by half since 2023 it would still trump their licensing profits.

>>715133998
>web3 games
kys retard

>>715111339
>Epic gives some developer a bajillion dollars to make their game and put it on EGS
>Epic becomes the customer rather than the player
>This is somehow better

>>715116219
I bought it, these animations are really charming.

i read it as 8k too :(

>>715119412
The funniest part is the collusion on those companies where they take turns doing 'deals' on the products.

>>715111339
I hate this appeal to morality crap, it's not like damn near anyone has morals when it comes to business. Especially not EGS.

>>715141208
There's nothing immortal about Steam's "monopoly" in the first place. They don't engage in frivolous lawsuits against competing storefronts (although the reverse has happened several times), they don't pre-pay developers to stay exclusive to their store like EGS, and they don't do mergers and acquisitions. They're not in collusion with the government because the EU is the one that forced them to implement a better refund system. It's almost like nobody has succeeded in competing with Valve in either features or price so consumers just don't bother installing a second launcher.

>>715141349
immoral*

>>715111223 (OP)
In lord gayben I trust.

>>715111223 (OP)
The only reason steam even still exists is because of sunk cost fallacy

>>715141821
What reasons would people have to not just two launchers if Steam's alternatives provided valuable services that rivals Gayben's passive income generator?

>>715111339
Publishers get a better deal, not the developers.

literally the only way for Epic to overtake Steam is to undercut every single new release by $10 or more

>>715112174
They stopped logging in to Fortnite and got Steam accounts instead

>>715117554
They should take a bigger cut of sales so they can fund more development

>>715114541
Epic isn't actually public.

>>715111223 (OP)
Claimed like 14 free games and I never touched the launcher ever since

>>715141821
Your launcher is worse than the other launcher.

>>715111223 (OP)
geeh,
I wonder why did he sell that low on egs!!

>>715114694
This is hillarious.

>>715112174
fortnite fucked up by letting people have every battlepass forever after buying just one as long as you don't spend the rebate vbucks in the store

some people have literally completed every battlepass for years after just 1 purchase

>>715115076
This.

>>715133998
Choke yourself in your own poop /biz/jeet

>>715116219
>pixel art "retro" game
>shitty modern lighting effects plastered all over the screen
Every
Single
Time

>timmy cries about steam being a monopoly
>while keeping games exclusive and monopolised to his own platform, something that steam does not do
the fucking gall

Remember when discord bought exclusivity rights to that game Last Year, then shut down the store like a week later and fucked over the devs who then had to meekly re-release the game on steam and deal with the extreme backlash of kickstarter backers furious they fucked them over by releasing on discord.

>>715118464
It's 8 copies, not 8 thousand, retard-kun.

>>715119169
Opposite for me. I was originally playing zenless on epic, because I thought I might want to spend a bit on it, and figured it was probably better to have their payment system. Though it was using hoyo's own rather than epic's, and that worked out ok.
Then one day out of the blue it started using epic's payment system instead, and it looked so shit by comparison that I switched to hoyo copy directly and cut epic out of the equation.
I'm still a loser gacha dolphin, but epic actually made me go out of the way to avoid spending in their store. They're just that garbage a storefront.

>>715111339
I will continue to use Steam and GOG because they're better for me.

>>715113109
Imagine if they just made an unreal tournament mode for fortnite

They already made an entire counter strike clone, i wouldn't put it past them

>>715111339
Wew lad the contrarian is strong in this one.

>>715115076
They don't even have money for that anymore. They just offer 100% cut for first X sales now.

>>715112174
They didn't get jobs is what.
>>715115297
He should say that to the advertisers.

>>715119142
>epig pushed an update that broke the copies of all the UT games people owned THEN removed it from every other store
Yeah. This was an "accident", I'm sure.

>>715132591
>one game 15 years ago
it was many games. gameworks existed solely so they could bribe devs to implement their shitty tech that was meant to gimp AMD.
then you also have that they've historically fucked over linux by refusing to release DKMS drivers. what's worse, they've blocked any attempts at free drivers by requiring signed firmware, preventing the use of fan and clock control
the latest scandal is them deciding to drop physx support for 32-bit games entirely. and let's not forget about their insistence on memetracing, fake resolutions, and fake frames, expecting people to turn that garbage on instead of delivering products that can attain 60 FPS on their own. it's a shady company

>>715111339
you lost

EGS doesn't get exclusives any more
EGS doesn't even get good free games

steam is a cult there's not much you can do I'm afraid

>>715111223 (OP)
>30%
way to lowball it

>>715144082
>I will continue to use Steam and GOG because they're better for me.
this. i use Steam for everything and GOG for really old games that don't have proper support on Steam or are kind of buggy there.

apart from that i make secondary purchases of my of fav games on GOG as well for offline archive purposes, but Steam as a service is just too good overall.

>>715147094
>This pizza doesn't reek of shit like other pizzas, that means it's a bad pizza.

>>715135006
ut2k4 was fucking great too

>>715147094
>ESG users spent a bunch of cash building a collection on a platform that lost
This is like those guys who had large movie collections in HD DVD swearing that Blu-ray was done for.

>>715111339
Which one is better for the user?

>>715119903
>I genuinely hope that one day we figure out who pays people to shill garbage like this, and start doing something about both them and the shills.
Who do you think is paying to shill these anon?

It's so obvious that Timothy is the one paying shills to say good things about his platform just like he paid developers for exclusivity in his platform.

>>715117089
Complete lie faggot nigger.

Sailing Era a game I want to buy has never been cheaper on Steam or equally discounted like in EGS. It's always cheaper on Timmy shitty store.

>>715147907
That's extremely antisemitic

>>715147907
Neither

>>715113232
>Epictards are unable to comprehend that people would naturally flock to a superior service so they think Gaben is somehow mind controlling all 100+ million of Steams users and can just magically send them to another service at the snap of his fingers

>>715123546
That's not true and you know it
The fraction of users who prefer installers over simple downloads is small and the disjointed nature of the platform isn't as conducive to playing multiplayer as steamworks

>>715111339
developers can suck my fat cock, epicjeet.

>>715112174
That plus the audience of turd worlders who want free games
I really don't know how he expected to turn them into paying customers

>>715111339
gr8 b8 m8

>>715113232
>>715119080
I agree, we should ban all russian, chinese and brazilian users from steam. Fortnite Timmycel can have them

>>715149119
I'm more valuable to Gabe than you.

>>715117071
You can tell that those are all either consoletards or shills larping as PCGODS because they all act like it's either buy or miss out.
They forget the fact that PC is not like console, because there's a 3rd option on PC, piracy. In fact, piracy is the very lifeblood of PC. On console you do what Sony, MS or Nintendo tell you or miss out, while on PC you always have the option to pirate, which keeps Steam honest and striving to improve to be better than piracy.
The fact that they don't even mention piracy means they're either shills willingly keeping quiet to not draw attention to it or consolefags who don't even know it's an option.

>>715149716
good for you, sport

>>715149989
That's the same reason why the free games on epic have absolutely no pull at all.