Thread 715136672

>can't compete with AMD in CPU performance
>can't compete with Nvidia in AI or gaming
>can't compete on mobile either
Are we seeing the death of Intel in real time?

>>715136672 (OP)
They are going to downsize and become pretty irrelevant in the grand scheme. I still no retards that I work with that buy intel CPUs and claim they are no.1 so they got a few bucks from that at least.

nah, they'll just force the entire state of texas to buy their dogshit

>>715136672 (OP)
All three tech giants are run by chinks, and Lisa Su is directly related to Jensen Huang. I wonder if this dude is a part of the family too, and it's some conflict of interest conspiracy behind the scenes.

>>715136672 (OP)
their GPUs are good
if they had something to compete with CUDA they'd do well but it's retarded execs doing this shit, at least they didn't gut it yet

>>715136672 (OP)
only qualcomm can save us now

>>715137019
They are only good if you only play modern slop, which is precisely why it sells less than AMD despite being cheaper.

It's weird how any time Israel gains control of a tech company it inevitably fails.
Yet their pharma companies seem to flourish.
Like 90% of generic drugs come from Israeli companies.

>>715136672 (OP)
Man, how times change. If you would have told me during the AMD FX days that Intel would fall this low, I would have thought you were crazy. How do you fumble a lead this hard? Your competition literally almost died because they were so bad.

>>715137019
>their GPUs are good
Their GPUs are dogshit. Stop hyping up this fucking trash, because Nvidia, and to a lesser extent AMD, charge too much for their shit. Has anyone who says this crap ever used an Intel GPU? Don't fucking cry about AMD's and especially Nvidia's drivers nowadays if you've never used an Intel GPU. Their drivers are horrific. INTEL GPUS ARE DOGSHIT. Stop fooling people into buying absolute trash that they'll regret.

Intel products are trash.

>>715137154
>>715137267
>play
yeah right i forgot it's the manchild board
you can run all games on vulkan anyway so who cares

>>715137265
Greed, arrogance and complacency. Intel thought they were untouchable so for a long time they just gave up on pushing out good CPUs.

>>715136809
>I still no

How did AMD go from being behind to being way ahead of them? Did Intel just rest on their laurels for too long?

>>715137265
Sex with yumemizuki mizuki

>>715137184
Israel doesn't want Intel to fail, they want Intel to succeed because the chip fabrication that happens in Israel is positioned to replace Taiwan in the long term, if the Chinese attack or if the USA eventually leaves(they will definitely not leave the chip manufacturing industry intact if Taiwan goes over to China). Intel failing is just classic mismanagement and hiring too many women for top level roles. Lisa is the exception to the rule.

>>715137265
i remember everyone shitting on ryzen 1

>>715137265
their estrogen core shenanigans were hilarious, coming from them accusing AMD years ago of just gluing shit together

>move production to the rats' nest
>company collapses
Little wonder that mutts BDS -- just like their military, there would no "Israel" were it not for the pantomime economy mutts create for it.

>>715137563
AM4 was dark magic. It's so good not even AMD themselves can compete with it, they will probably keep making chipsets/CPUs for it forever

>>715136672 (OP)
>sit on your ass sucking the blood out of your customers and engaging in anticompetitive and anti-customer practices thinking there'll never be an end to your monopoly on CPU's so why bother innovating in anything besides being a gigantic douchebag of a company with execs that all deserve to be in prisom
>competition actually competes and makes a better product
>ten years of sitting on your ass innovating nothing has left you completely incapable of catching up
>every single year that passes the gap between you and everyone else increases because you've only hired incompetent fuckwits and diversity retards
>Inching closer and closer to bankruptcy

Couldn't have happened to a more deserving company. If only the execs and upper management went to prison to top it off.

>>715137265
I knew Intel was done for after the 13th/14th gen issues. They were always known as the stable/reliable brand and now their quality fell so low that their products were imploding. It's pathetic how shit they are now.

>>715137265
Whenever I talked to intel managers during their era of dominance, they clearly expressed that they viewed themselves as the ultimate market leader, AMD was not a threat, and that the real threat were mobile chip makers like Qualcomm.

In that timespan they proceeded to make really bad attempts at getting a mobile presence, never develop GPU's worth a damn, fail to hit every processor node upgrade, and assume AMD would never make CPU's that could do more than integer math. Their arrogance and incompetence was already there from the start, the only advantage they had at that time was AMD was literally fucking up as hard as humanly possible so nobody noticed it.

>>715137806
I heard that entire oxidation issue was apparently caused by them simply cheaping out on iridium to solder the chip to the heatspreader

LGA 1700 bros, are we toast?

>>715136672 (OP)
Inshallah

going full israel was a mistake

>>715137563
Intel pushed R&D into mobile chips assuming that AMD was donezo, then Ryzen 2 dropped and they had to pivot back to defend their desktop market. It became clear that some level of institutional expertise had been lost as AMD gradually got parity in real world performance with every Gen. Intel still dominates low power chips for laptops and such, but even this is slowly fading.

>>715138010
If so that's very impressive considering they refused to fix the issue, whereas if this were the case they should have been able to...fix the issue.

>>715138227
Intel doesn't dominate the low power segment. No matter what power restriction you pick they lose to somebody.

>>715136672 (OP)
FUCK YOU INTEL AHAHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I HAVE BEEN AVEANGED

wouldnt have happened if they didnt screw over all the old white guys

why would you even want to build a plant in israel?
oh sorry guys, the new chips for this year can't be shipped because the airport exploded and there's massive civil unrest over there again.
did intel take a bribe to gain another bargaining chip so they could look like an important part of the world because american chips are being made there?

>>715137782
It's an Israeli company, so everyone important will get a US taxpayer golden parachute

>>715138794
I believe they were trying to become another Taiwan, yes

>>715137806
>They were always known as the stable/reliable brand and now their quality fell so low that their products were imploding. It's pathetic how shit they are now.
My friend got one of those CPUs and has constant issues, BSODs and programs/games crashing all the damn time.

>>715137806
what was their last good product? the i7 6700k?

>>715136672 (OP)
good

>>715136672 (OP)
let's hope not or amd will have no competition and become just as bad as intel was back then

>>715140059
Pretty sure Nvidia has plans to enter the CPU market in the near future also

>>715136672 (OP)
>AI bubble implodes
>Nvidia and AMD in shambles
>Intel comes out on top
Three steps ahead.

>>715138794
>why would you even want to build a plant in israel?
Jew

>>715140202
do you think the ai bubble will pop before or after nvidia starts selling millions of robots? haha

>>715137019
>their GPUs are good
Said no one ever.

>>715137265
I remember 4 cores/8 threads being a thing for a good chunk of the 2010s thanks to Intel. Then Ryzen came along

>>715140294
Most of people knew it as garbage bundled with their CPUs only good for office PCs

>>715136672 (OP)
I can't wait for this same trajectory to happen to NVIDIA when they suffer the consequences of their monopoly stagnation
as in literally I can't because I'll be dead by then if it ever happens

>>715136672 (OP)
Intel is going to become the new IBM

Still big and somewhat relevant but irrelevant towards consumers

America will not let Intel fail, if they need to blackmail TSMC into giving Intel the tech they will.

>>715140123
I'd be surprised if Nvidia did anything that is not related to AI

>>715140202
The AI bubble popped 4 times already.


Which means Intel just came out on top 4 times. LETS FUCKING GO JEWCHADS

>>715136672 (OP)
I hope they don't die, competition and all that, but then again I remember all the bullshit they've tried to kill AMD.
Who is laughing now faggots

>>715137453
tf does vulkan has to do with anything discussed here? Is your smoothbrain just saying words, thnking u are smart?

We need entirely new companies to enter the CPU and GPU market

haha

>Intel misses the accelerator bubble AGAIN
The amazing part is they have had decades of experience making graphics but have never managed to do it at serious scale. The igpu on their chips has been eating the majority of their transistor budget for years (probably not so much much these last few generations due to the core wars) but time and time again they fail to leverage their position into making actual standalone chips.

Xeon phi was a harsh lesson they didn't learn from - who knew a gpu is more than slapping a shitload of stupid cpu cores together (conversely nvidia learnt the opposite lesson with their cpu efforts). Arc completely missed the boat on getting into datacentres despite intel's efforts to push AMD and especially nvidia out and it is unobtanium in the desktop space. Plus the market image of Arc is not a fully positive one which doesn't help.

Then again Intel not seeing the forest for trees is not new as they have always acted like they are invincible and killed off products and divisions that were doing work on things that would be in the direction the industry is going but are a money pit to get off the ground. That is why optane was killed, why they sold off all their networking and a few others like that.

As the adage goes, Intel doesn't know how to be number two and AMD doesn't know how to be number one.

>>715140853
jensen is going to start using real brains to make actual inelligence once he moves on from ai

>>715140969
>I hope they don't die
Well, intel foundries won't be allowed to die - no matter what they will be propped up by the US government as they are a key domestic foundry in the arms race against china and not having everything reliant on TSMC. The design side of intel though? That will be fed to the wolves if they start going under.

>>715136672 (OP)
The problem with their CPUs is that literally no one else makes CPUs, so they're the only choice.

>>715141103
>enter the CPU
Never, EVER going to happen on the x86 front. The only reason AMD basically still exists is intel can't revoke their license any more.

>>715136672 (OP)
Have sales intcel

>>715140946
>>715138212
https://www.timesofisrael.com/nvidia-plans-to-boost-presence-in-israel-with-massive-tech-campus-in-north/
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-intel-fires-while-nvidia-hires-in-israel-1001515080
>Nvidia is fast on the way to overtaking Intel as Israel's biggest private tech employer

>>715141095
the fact that intel drivers dont work with d11, d9 and opengl at all half the time

What's a good CPU/GPU combo nowadays for a $2k-$3k 1440p eventual new build in under a year if Intel is shitting the bed

>>715136672 (OP)
>Are we seeing the death of Intel in real time?
God, I hope so. As a Raptor Lake user, I'll never buy intel-aviv again.

Core Ultra is pretty good considering it's a new architecture. It's in a better place Ryzen 1 was comparatively when it came out. Price to perfomance their cpus are decent laptop alternatives on the low end. Ryzen AI 370 and above shit all over intel's high end except maybe in Adobe Premier thanks to superior video encoding

>>715142360
7800x3d and 9070xt. Zen 6 will support cudimms if you want to wait for it.