>game is impossible to get good at

>>715138320 (OP)
pic unrelated

>>715138320 (OP)
I'll never understand it. I can do level 10s in IIDX, 12s on DDR, pretty much any song in Project Diva. But I can't for the life of me complete a single track on Oni difficulty in these games.

>>715138320 (OP)
I'm hard filtered by 8* oni on pad and 7* oni on drums
Wish it'd show you the bpm of songs since that's where most of the difficulty comes from for me

>>715139560
you mean like osu diff or taiko diff? i've never played actual taiko, maybe the difficulty grading makes more sense so it'd be easier to learn something

>>715138776
no scroll speed adjustment and hand alternation is actually pretty hard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgdHvjJ7ljg

>>715139597
In Taiko, isn't the OP pic the taiko drum mascot? Never played Osu so I'm not sure how it factors into this

I'm probably the best at Taiko on /v/ and I haven't played in 3 years.

>>715138776
Just get the drum controller.

>>715138776
I can do a few expert 10's but cant for the life of me do a ton 9's. 8's is my skill sweetspot.
Keyboard>switch touchscreen>drums>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>controller

>>715140456
You're not playing Taiko unless it's on the drum.
Also how's the steam version? I missed the sale but I'll ask for next time.

>>715139835
osu has a taiko mode

>>715140523
it's subscriptionslop but the game itself runs fine

>>715139678
>no scroll speed adjustment
Hate this about taiko. Something about the right to left scrolling fucks my eyes up past a certain speed and makes it so I just can't play

>>715138320 (OP)
Actually filtered

>>715138776
I can barely play taiko either
t. IIDX chuden, 19.66 VF in SDVX

i used to play the 3DS games every day. was never good at upper oni but i could FC kagerou daze on oni and it was fun.

>>715138320 (OP)
This is the one rhythm game I can't play because there's too much fucking ghosting I'm unable to get rid of.

>>715138320 (OP)
Nobody knows what kind of tranime shit this is

>>715138320 (OP)
I want to FUCK that drum

>taiko thread right when I go to sleep
Someone host multiplayer on steam screen share or parsec if this thread is up tomorrow. Double Taiko drums sounds so fucking cool together when both players are in the groove.

>>715138320 (OP)
Gradius games.
>makeo ones mistakeo
>GAME OVERDENSETSU

Fuck you.

>>715141049
>playing these types of rhythm games on a 60hz monitor
you need 120+ hz

>>715141674
Sad.

I play 4-8K games, etc. and Taiko is genuinely a shit experience.

>>715141674
Computer players are such pussy-ass bitches.
>waaah waaah the frames I just can't play because of the frames :(((((((
Get good you pathetic fuck.

>>715141828
I play 4k 165hz, you are just a dumb nigger sorry

>>715141864
This is about ghosting anon.

>>715141930
sounds like a monitor/tv issue, on a good display there's no ghosting even at a normal 60 fps

>>715141930
Doesn't matter.
>lag
>input delay
>ghosting? what's next, frosting?
All bullshit excuses. Just play the damn game.

>>715142203
Hardware issue is a valid complaint. Failing songs because shitty hardware feels even worse than actual skill issues as it isn't your fault

>>715142174
>Good display
You expect too much from me.
https://www.newegg.com/hp-c3z93aa-23-full-hd/p/2ZN-0006-00027

>>715138320 (OP)
I genuinely think this game is harder than something like iidx. Horizontal scrolling just fucks with my brain on a different level

>>715142174
>on a good display there's no ghosting even
ghosting has literally nothing to do with a display
it's an issue with the human eye and the speed of the objects on screen versus how fast they're updating (the fps)
60 fps is 60 fps

stop talking about things you don't know about
we're not talking about smearing artifacts, ghosting is the double vision you get
it goes away when you try to track the object on screen, but that is very stressful for the eyes for lower fps since each jump between frames is larger, compared to a higher fps

>>715142285
You need to try harder.
Playing with broken hardware is the same as playing with broken bones. Grin and bear it. Play through the pain.
This is Taiko, motherfucker, not your dandy uncle's daycare. Even if your arms fall off you start using your damn legs.
https://youtu.be/3vxHNmYF2H0?si=bdq1Xbf6dwI8F1g_

>>715142708

>>715142708
Damn what a cutie. I hate how most businesses in my country just have their female staff wear trousers.

>>715142628
you must have something wrong with your eyes then. I've been playing taiko since the wii era and I've never experienced what you describe as "ghosting" except when watching shitty compressed 30 fps recordings of taiko gameplay on youtube

>>715138320 (OP)
Taiko on one of the real drums or replicas looks really fun. I'm not paying 600 dollars for one though.

>>715142708
I find these kinds of girl very common in my country philippines whenever I go to the main city to play maimai
and since that game encourage two player mode (so you get more songs to play), I sometimes get asked/invited to play along with them
'twas fun since I get to see what taste of songs they got (usually vocaloid songs)

>>715143078
Find an arcade nearby that has it. It's so much more fun on the real machine.

>>715138320 (OP)
Come home white man

skill issue

>>715143307
I don't have a local arcade

is being good at this game only applies when you have the drum controller?

>>715138776
How, IIDX is more difficult
I can do 10* in Taiko but IIDX cripples me with how much button it has

>>715143451
Yes you do.

just be asian and/or 16 come on dude it's not that hard

>>715138320 (OP)
>You need to bring your own bachi to play 9* and 10*
This is what I hate about the game, the default sticks in the arcade sucks ass and I'm not autistic enough to buy and bring my own sticks

>>715143312
Taiko has my weeb music though.

>>715138776
2dx is still the hardest rhythm game to exist how can you play that but not taiko

>>715141864
weird tangent, no one mentioned computers. taiko runs at 120hz in the arcades and on current gen consoles. where did computers touch you?

>>715143486
Yeah. Pad is only good for getting used to alternating your hands.
You wouldn't play piano with a controller so don't do it with drums either.

>>715143749
Who told you that? I clear on arcade sticks just fine.
If I had full unlimited access to the machines I'd go for FC. Cons machines are usually unresponsive as fuck.
And also Taiko is extremely tiring my arms can't keep up for long.

>>715143768
Weird pounce. No one got upset at that comment but you. Did your gay lover bully you for owning a computer before?

>see Taiko post
>listen to THAT song

It's time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaB8xEik488

>>715143770
I disagree, I mastered the game up until I could clear 10* on PSP releases, and it only took me a little bit of getting used to to clear 8* on arcades.
The only difficult part about the drum is that your arm is not catching up with your eyes, but that's less to do with the difficulty of the instrument, and it's more to do me needing to lift moar.

>>715143857
My personal experience, and a lot of autistic taiko players bring their own bachi to the arcade.
You can clear the game just fine with regular arcade sticks, but I'm literally talking about oni 9* and 10* songs.

>>715144123
>I'm literally talking about oni 9* and 10* songs
So am I.
It's always funny when those autists bring their own sticks and practice their rolls and then end up failing a 10 or breaking a combo. I remember one Chinese dude who ended up shouting out of frustration when I got both a higher score and better accuracy against him with the regular arcade sticks.
>>715144052
>I disagree
I'm not saying controller isn't possible or nothing. Just that you're way better off focusing and using the drums. It's way more fun and satisfying.

>>715144018
https://youtu.be/ivRFEUaT5l8?si=yykqj0twD86ldcwl
I literally cannot NOT play it every session.
It's such a good warmup song.

>>715144392
>I'm not saying controller isn't possible or nothing. Just that you're way better off focusing and using the drums. It's way more fun and satisfying.
Yeah but imo "fun and satisfying" is not worth buying a giant and overpriced dedicated controller for it
I have IIDX controller because that game needs that controller but I didn't really feel the same for Taiko, playing with pads and going to the arcades once in a while is good enough

Are there any songs that makes you dance like a jackass every time you drum it?
For me it's this one
https://youtu.be/MwfN1c9sthY

>>715143761
>2dx is still the hardest rhythm game to exist
>t. Person who doesn't actually play beatmania

>>715144683
>going to the arcades once in a while
Yeah no one's buying those Chinese Taiko force things lmao
I do the same as you. It's just that I'll never stop wishing I was on an arcade drum instead of pad while playing at home.

>>715143582
Some people cannot into horizontal scroll I guess

>>715144797
genuinely what do you think is harder?

>>715144968
I'm not the same anon but Pop'n music?
Although that's a spin-off of IIDX so it's pretty much IIDX but with more buttons.

>>715138320 (OP)
skill issue

>>715145056
anon pop'n was literally designed to be easier 2dx

>>715144052
"Taiko isn't fun without the drum" is cope from people who don't actually play the games. You should definitely play the game with a good tatacon if you have the ability because it's a lot of fun, but using a normal gamepad (with good face buttons) or a keyboard (though I prefer gamepad) is not a deal breaker.
It might not look like it when first coming into the game, but Taiko is a mostly cerebral game. I'd say it's 80% about recognizing and breaking apart patterns and intuitively understanding complex rhythms and only 20% physical execution. Most skills you learn from playing with a gamepad will transfer over to a drum and vice versa.
You only absolutely need a drum once you start reaching that level where you want to FC > 240 bpm 10* oni charts, but if you're just starting off it's probably going to take you years of consistent gameplay before you even get to that level so most people won't need to stress about it.

>>715144018
Inject it into my veins

>>715138320 (OP)
First I bang the drum
Then I bang ya mum
>https://youtu.be/qaB8xEik488

I got into SDVX recently, currently stuck in the 16 wall. Rhythm games are so fucking fun, bros.

>>715143582
>>715143761
I don't know how to exactly describe it, but in Taiko the notes just sort of blur together. I have trouble following them and recognizing each individual note that comes. I can totally match the pure rhythm, but hitting the right section of the drum is a no go. Maybe it's the fact it's a single lane. At the very least I don't think I'm colorblind lmao.

>>715144018
That's the stuff

>>715145102
>>715145056
pop'n has walls after walls when you reach level 45
then you have bullshit like spicy gauge when a song has over 1537 notes (gauge gains half as fast while still lowers at the same rate)

>>715145186
the 16-17 wall is real as fuck, there are barely any charts at the 16 range that really teach you hand trips and then they are prevalent throughout all of 17s, unironically your best bet is to just brute force 17s until you get it.

>>715145185
I swear to god if this is that stupid fucking DoD3 chart again I'm going to snap a baby in half.

>>715145102
If you say that you don't know jack shit about pop'n. They made it with an intention for normal fags to play IIDX with two people that's why it has twice as much buttons with casual friendly visuals, but that gimmick didn't stick and instead autists latched onto it to as hardcore IIDX with twice as more buttons.
Obviously there are more easier songs, and it does give you an option to use less buttons, but if you're going to claim that you play pop'n you are going to have to use all that button just by yourself.

>>715138320 (OP)
I fucking hate how every single rhythm game ever that comes out is just a beatmania clone and Taiko gets (basically) nothing.

was recently at a video game museum that was more like a big arcade though with a few rooms that did go into history about vidya. we played some taiko which is always fun but i actually found a rhythm heaven machine but we quickly had to leave after finding it and the friend i was with doesn't care for rhythm games beyond taiko

feels bad having such good taste sometimes.

>>715145243
Thanks anon, I'll keep it in mind. Right now I barely beat 16s, and the best 17 I tried I finished with 20% gauge. Gotta keep grinding.
I also bought like 21 packs so at least I have variety for a while.

>>715145584
>I fucking hate how every single rhythm game ever that comes out is just a beatmania clone
do you mean like indie games? cause the arcade scene is always thinking of new bullshit

>>715143582
Single play IIDX has 8 lanes (7 keys + scratch) to differentiate note patterns spread out all across.
Taiko is 1 single lane with a shit ton of notes compressed in such a tight space where you dont really get that same level of pattern recognition to help you out.

Or at least that was my initial impression when trying to play taiko and getting utterly filtered by it

>>715145107
I got me the Switch drum and yeah it's kind of collecting dust because it's too noisy, I play with a controller 80% of the time. Personally I feel like there's only about a 20% loss in terms of hand-eye coordination and performance going from a controller to the drums so I can play on around the same difficulty levels either way.

>>715145674
just play that rhythm heaven on fightcade

>>715145804
>do you mean like indie games?
Yeah, it's all fucking beatmania clones (4+ lanes, vertical)

>>715144718
I like almost every original song no matter the genre or how avant-garde, but I always keep coming back to the traditionally Japanese matsuri-inspired songs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtt2zk2ueNE

>>715141674
At least one of the top osu!mania players used to be some chink playing on an old laptop, with notes probably flying by in 2-3 frames, and there's plenty of top rhythim players on old ipads. The game looks prettier at 240hz but if you suck don't blame the hardware.

>>715145821
taiko is all pattern recognition, it's just a different kind of pattern recognition from multi-lane rhythm games. once you play more, breaking down long dense note streams into small comprehensible repeatable chunks that you've already muscle-memorized becomes second nature and you won't even consciously think about it

>>715140857
I played Taiko irl, that's literally how it goes. When you start out you regularly have blisters.
But my Taiko skills didn't translate into the game.

https://zenius-i-vanisher.com/v5.2/arcades.php
>9M pop city
>closest taiko machine is 100 km away

>>715138320 (OP)

>>715145584
>Taiko gets (basically) nothing
What room is there to innovate in the Taiko style of rhythm games, though? The gameplay has been the exact same since the first game came out in 2001.
The games that come the closest to Taiko that still feel like they are doing something different instead of being outright clones/simulators are Muse Dash and Project Mirai.

>>715146848
why is jashin chan there
was this another crowd funding scheme?

>>715138320 (OP)
taiko sounds fun in theory, but the need of a dedicated controller really puts me off

>>715146893
Odaiko

>>715138776
Horizontal scrolling on a single lane is just a pain in ass. Might just be a personal skill issue, but having to view the screen at an angle is also another factor that fucks with my perspective. I honestly hate that aspect more than the horizontal scrolling.

>>715147073
When you get to the point of buying specialised equipment why no learn to play real drums.
I don't want to be that guy but I just don't understand putting a lot of effort into rhythm games when you could just pick up an actual instrument.

>>715147792
why are you typing messages with your keyboard on a taiwanese puppetry forum instead of writing a book?

>>715145821
I recommend remembering each beat chunks (i.e. red-blue-blue-red) as a block of input, instead of trying to hand-eye coordinate each notes.
Once you mastered every possible blocks it's not that difficult, triplet to quadruplet patterns for 8*, quintuplet patterns for 9*. Harder songs tries to throw you off by mixing duplets so master that too.
10* would start giving you long endless set of patterns but if you mastered quadruplet and quintuplet patterns, you'd naturally be able to break that long chunks into small blocks.

>>715145584
go to japan to an arcade, they have dj set rhythm games and those circular and whatnot.
weird bringing up stuff like Muse Dash. There are tons of rhythm games if you include anything with rhythm gameplay. Have you even played

>Rhythm Doctor
>Rift of the Necrodancer
>Patapon/Ratatan
>Rez
>A new Rhythm Heaven game was announced for S2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzqfCSseiPE

>>715147073
that's like playing guitar hero or stepmania with keyboard

>>715147792
>when you could just pick up an actual instrument.
Learning an actual instrument is boring and soul crushing. If piano was as interactive, engaging and fun as these games, I would be Mozart by now.

>>715142924
>you must have something wrong with your eyes then.
nope
it's a human issue
stop trying to pretend

>>715148057
rhythm doctor fucking with the game window is such a cool effect

>>715141049
skill issue, if you've actually played the game you'd know it's better to have your eyes unfocused rather than trying to catch everything with your eyes
you'd know that if you full combo-d this on shitty psp display
https://youtu.be/zfARboePEr8?si=PVEBEU3BUWPtTYh5

>>715147792
That's like telling people who buys arcade sticks for fighting games to go out and fight irl

>>715148218
>Implying you are not actually Mozart.
Try harder next time, Mozart.

>>715148218
There's rocksmith which is sort of guitar hero-ish but for a real guitar. The new version is subscription based and you'd eb paying ubisoft but you can pirate an older one modded to not use their proprietary shit.
DTXMania for drums whhere you can use an edrum set as a controller.
Admittedly both are a pain in the ass to set up but it's there.
For piano I think there are a few things you can connect a keyboard to, don't have any off the top of my head though.
Instruments in general have that immediate feedback of if you are doing well or not like games, so I dunno, it doesn't feel that much different. I still suck at music though admittedly.

>>715147941
Well this is socialising and discussion which I feel is different enough to be separate from writing a novel. I'll acknowledge that where you put the line something goes from just inferior imitation to it's own separate thing will be kinda arbitrary in the end though. You may disagree.

>>715148262
Anon you might want to get your eyes checked

>>715148810
I wouldn't do that, but I'd tell someone playing a VR boxing game to go practice real martial arts, probably. I think there's this uncanny valley of simulation. If it's abstracted I think it's okay and if the simulation was perfect well that would by definition be the same as the real thing, but when the level of simulation is approaching the real thing but not quite it's becoming increasingly more difficult to justify why not just make the final jump to the real thing. Some good reasons would be that it's too dangerous, expensive or impractical but we are not talking about a flight sim here.

>>715148218
I'm at 8300 skill in guitarfreaks and I can't imagine playing an actual one

>>715149026
It's not me, idiot

Unlike Guitar Hero, this game can be cheesed off pretty hard if played on a keyboard. I think some customs are physically impossible on a drum, but totally possible on a keyboard. Same thing with DDR

>>715148057
I have no problems with using a controller. the problem is you can't get decent quality ones at a reasonable price. and then there's display lag and blurriness. you might as well buy a real drum
hell, it wouldn't be a bad idea if they had a music score mode so that you can use a real drum without worrying about scoring

>>715149585
But there is no uncanny valley of simulation though, I do both instrumentals and rhythm games (with "specialized equipment") but they aren't same at all, not even fundamentally
Rhythm games are closer to fighting games, FPS or any other video games if anything, it's more to do with timing and hand-eye coordination.
Unless you aren't rhythm deaf rhythm games only require basic understanding of rhythm, beyond that it's more to do with shoe-honing in on input, complete opposite of musical instrumentals where if you want to go beyond just copying songs, you have to study music theories.

>>715151771
you might actually be retarded

>>715151771
>whines about owning rhythm game controller and how much of a hassle it is
>says "you might as well as own and practice instrumentals" but doesn't own one
you might as well as do something instead of doing nothing but whining then
if you don't want to own a controller because "muh instrumentals" then get yourself an instrumental, it's simple as that