kneel

>tablet
laaaame

being proficient with the tablet is a key to consistency

>>715166312 (OP)
What about when he is upgraded?

>>715166961
you can do it but its only right when he is spawned
once you activate him he turns on his matter eating aura and it will just dissolve the tablet

>>715167071
Ah, timing.
Why not do it that way with the first 3 steves?

>>715167164
you can do that, i usually opt for a statue kick on the first one because it feels more consistent for me
2nd one almost always gets tablet kicked unless i manage to put together a wand capable of killing him

>>715167325
Thanks, I guess next time I play i will work on that

>>715167753
there's a good daily run from yesterday. a wand with black holes in the 2nd shop for 180 gold

another example

noita is an exploration game

Entered ???

Entered ???

is there a mod that changes damage to the player? Why is it that fire hurts you 1-2 damage per second when you have 100 health, but more damage per second when you have more health?? Your health increases but things hurt the same % as before so you're never really getting any stronger....

>>715169941
pretty sure its intended that you take % damage instead of flat damage from damage over time effects so they remain dangerous
as far as a mod to change that i dont know, might be

>retarded game where you can't even make a decent build without abusing game mechanics half the time
pass

what the fuck are these things

>>715170913
this isnt true you just have no idea what youre doing
and its not entirely your fault the wand building is the hardest part of the game it makes it very inaccessible to people not willing to put in the time to learn

>>715171083
toothy spiders
they heal from projectiles and explosion damage so you have to use something else to kill them

>>715171116
it's just shoddy mechanics, paired with the "throw stuff at the wall and see what sticks" mentality sprinkled with an unhealthy amount of randomness kind of roguelite that's just a chore to play through

>>715171083
They eat terrain and only thing that kills them is things with cutting damage.

>>715171368
git gude

>>715171368
it started as a digging game and literally is still a digging game
every single run is winnable and ill go even further and say every single run is capable of going to 33 orbs (the true ending)

this was a fitting end
playing more carefully than i did you could do any/all content on this seed with ease and have the game "broken" by the time you reach the 2nd shop

>>715171809
sure, if you abuse chainsaw wrapping and proceed to dig to the gold biome, I'm talking about the average player in its first 100 runs, chances are the first win will just be due to luck, not esoteric "skills"

>>715170913
This retard saw one post explaining wand wrapping or chainsaws and assumed it's required for the entire game lmao.
FYI you can just put a bunch of explosive boxes inside a spark bolt trigger and one-shot even most bosses in this game.
>abusing game mechanics!!!
lol

>>715172190
it has nothing to do with getting the gold. by the time you can play the game on the level im talking about the gold is an irrelevant detail. there is a lot to learn, so yes you will run into a lot of deaths that seem like they were out of your control when you start. that doesnt mean they actually were out of your control, it means you are new and need to learn how to play

>>715172319
sorry forgot to mention using enemy healers on yourself, and using mages to multiply your max health, great mechanics right there

>>715172337
okay I'll give you a seed, any seed, and you'll show me a decent build that can easily get through hisii base using only holy mountain shops and no chainsaw abuse

>>715173121
using hiisi healers to heal you by charming them with pheromone (or by intercepting their shots) is genius
heart mage trick is kinda busted but is nowhere close to necessary for anything especially along the main dungeon path

>okay I'll give you a seed, any seed, and you'll show me a decent build that can easily get through hisii base using only holy mountain shops
so i cant use wands from the levels themselves? am i allowed to break out of the mountains and keep them intact so that i can return to edit my wands? chainsaw is unnecessary if you have any grasp on how cast delay and recharge time works

>>715173475
Remember anon, when you engage with retards they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

>>715173579
it actually kind of sounds like it could be a fun challenge but im sure no matter what i do he'll say i cheated in some way

>>715173475
just how a normal player that remains within the bounds of the normal path would fare with your wand build "knowledge"

>>715173982
so no breaking out of the mountains with them intact, when i edit i only get to edit once and then i have to leave the shop through the normal exit to collapse it. what about perks? perk knowledge is probably THE single most important thing to learn right off the bat when you start playing because its the most immediate form of survivability. some perks are actually just auto win (like wand experimenter is basically just infinite hp)
throw me any seed you want

piece of shit game made for lifeless niggers such as yourselves. also normalniggers newniggers

>>715174160
>wand experimenter
i have never seen this perk

>>715170321
lmao

>>715174313
been here longer than youve been alive probably and its my favorite singleplayer game. kill yourself newfag
>>715174316
when you pick up a wand if you fire it, you gain hp. you gain more if its a shuffle wand. the amount you heal decreases every time you fire it. rewards you for being able to read what different wands do to know if they are dangerous. also works on wands from the shop so every time you get a wand shop its 5 new wands to heal from. one of the best perks in the game when you're starting out

>>715169947
that's cool

>>715174160
just go with the latest daily run, this isn't a trick challenge I'm just trying to give this game a chance to prove it's not as quirky as it seemed
this is assuming you can get through the first 3 levels with only a spark bolt in your starter bomb wand

>>715174624
thats what all these webms are from, i killed myself by reflecting like 9 meteors on the alchemists shield >>715172043
but on that run i was breaking out of the mountains and stuff, i already know whats in the seed so its not a blind run for me. the daily run is also not great for a new player to play on because all spells come unlocked in the daily leading to you being given options that you wouldnt normally have access to (like orbits)
ill completely reset my save file and start a brand new game and walk you through the first few levels

>>715174624
>get through the first 3 levels with only a spark bolt in your starter bomb wand
>goalposts: moved

>>715171368
you sound like a retarded fag, not the problem of /v/

>>715174951
nice reading comprehension, I'm just saying you don't need to prove anything for the early levels

ok here we go completely fresh start. i wont use the tablet to kill things, i wont go up and get the free +25 hp(because its not there, its sea of lava i think), and a fresh start always gives you spark bolt and 3 bombs and a flask of water

>>715175095
bonus if you could justify everything you do just based on basic tooltip comprehension and experimentation alone like a new player would

fire guy gives a lot of gold when killed with water a new player would find out that killing things with the environment gives double gold

so im not gonna use it but just as a note here this container of stable teleportatium is a free and guaranteed safe mountain exit, the game is ALREADY broken not even 3 screens in. like i said i wont use it though

I'm taking notes

environmental kills are double gold. this is huge to remember

>>715174527
you get defensive, the biggest newfag ever

>>715175653
>fluid physics making it teleport through the roof

>>715169941
Fire/toxic/poison are the only things that scale with your health, and by the time you have enough HP for it to matter you should already be immune to two of those.

this is completely insane, teleport bolt on the first floor makes everything else easier though i wont use it now because i have no reason to, never teleport into dark areas at the beginning always explore carefully

okay just found gunpowder that means digging is pretty much solved for this and the next floor if i dont find anything better (i already had teleport to dig through the floors but this just makes it faster)

over in the collapsed mines a worm dug around a bunch and i followed it and killed it and drank some of its blood to see through the walls, at the far left end of the mines there is the worm cave which im able to see in because i have the worm vision so i could go get that extra hp but i wont. the damage i took so far is from fighting the worm and getting set on fire, all avoidable if i was playing better

mines fully explored this is honestly one of the worst possible first floors i can imagine with the exception of the teleport bolt, did not get even one heart or any wands besides the one that had teleport so lets see the shop, at least i got $1000 and have 60 hp left

>>715176781
I'd say the side areas are already kind of off-limits for the average player, especially the harder ones in level 2 and 3

oh look. game broken COMPLETELY wide open just on this alone and its the first wand in the first shop. would a new player use this? yeah probably, and then theyd shoot the wall and spawn a steve and he would kill them and the run would end. this is my main gripe about calling this game a roguelite. you could start new players off with all spells unlocked, as its the only real form of cross-run progression, and it would make basically no difference. a new player has no idea how to use the greek letters or omega or orbits or any of that shit. i will ignore the fact that right here in this wand alone the game is totally destroyed broken into a million pieces

as a new player you should pretty much always check your perks first to decide if theres more value in rerolling to potentially get something better than spending it on spells or wands in the shop. you have to learn how to make that judgment call. here i will just take toxic immunity because its easily one of the best perks, any time you see an immunity (or one of the immunities that come with a downside) you pretty much just insta snap it up and be happy that you didnt have to reroll
this changes when you start looking for more specific things but as a beginner just learn the perks and try to gain some sort of understanding of whats good. immunities are basically always good, some are better than others. id take explosion immunity over the rest, maybe id order them something like
explosion>melee>electric>fire>toxic

>>715177485
I don't really see how 3 digging projectiles per level trivialize the game in any way for the average player unless you mean using it to go back to ealier levels

>>715177967
because of this:
>>715168416
this is an exploration game
once you learn how to kill the mallcop who appears when you break the shop the entire world becomes your oyster

>>715177967
Because you have wrong assumptions and understand nothing about the game. Pursue Knowledge

>>715178231
so basically avoiding the collapse to be able to tinker everywhere?
>kill the mallcop
but for that you'd realistically need a build at least to start with

>>715178457
you kill him with the statue or the tablet in the first mountain
and yes, you do it to avoid the mountain collapse so you can return back up and edit your wands. as long as you do not hit the collapse trigger you can return as many times as you like to edit between levels

>>715178457
>you'd realistically need a build at least to start with
lol. Lmao, even

>>715178601
uhh as an aside there are other things you can do to kill him like use circle of polymorph to turn him into a sheep and one shot him, use circle of stillness to freeze him or anything else that can freeze him and then kick him to instantly kill him, you can use some form of homing and the summoned rocks to instantly kill him, there are many ways of dealing with him but the simple and most effective and available to you on every single run are the statue kick and the tablet kick. id recommend learning how to do the statue kick

>>715178601
>kill him with the statue or the tablet
how is that not a cheese

Return the slaaaab

continuing, ive tried here to highlight what im actually looking at when i see the wands in this shop. BASICALLY what im looking for on a wand are:
- NO shuffle: this is the single most important stat on a wand if it is shuffle:yes then you can pretty much ignore the rest of the stats and just look at the spells on it. theres definitely cases where using shuffle wands is fine like when you have a single spell that you want to use then using shuffle doesnt matter because its always gonna be that spell. for example i frequently will put teleport on shuffle wands early on because they are usually pretty fast and the fact that its shuffling doesnt matter
-Mana charge speed: the rate that mana regenerates on the wand. higher is better. for the first shop you want something 50+, second shop 100+ ideally
all these wands you see that have less than like 45 mana charge speed should be ignored, they are practically useless in almost all cases
-recharge time: this is how long it takes the wand to "reload" after its fired all its spells. you want this to be as low as possible, aim for something lower than 0.6, it would be 0 ideally, this will give you nearly 2 shots per second and thats enough to deal with most threats early on given a decent payload of spells
-cast delay: this is the time between spells, lower is better, you want something lower than like 0.2 here, ideally 0
ill continue this thought in the next post

recharge time and cast delay can be MODIFIED on a per wand basis
MEANING:
if you cast certain spells, those spells can change these numbers so just because a wand has certain stats doesnt mean it cant be "fixed" using spells. take heavy spread for example. if you find a way to include heavy spread in your payload, it will subtract 0.12s from the cast delay and 0.25s from the recharge time

so for example if we have a wand that has 0.5s recharge time and we use heavy spread to modify ANY one of the spells in the payload, the wand will now only take 0.25s to reload (0.5-0.25)
this is a huge difference, we're going from 2 shots per second to 4. now consider that you can trigger the same spell twice by "wrapping" around back to it, effectively giving you -0.5s recharge time, meaning after the wand fires all its spells it will be ready to fire again on the next frame
if you then also modify the cast delay down to 0, you have a wand that can fire on every single frame. the limiting factor at that point is how much mana you have to spend. sometimes its not great to make your wand go brrrrrrr right off the bat because the early wand stats just cant support that kind of mana usage

>>715179705
I'd figured as much, but that doesn't change the fact heavy spread makes your wand useless to begin with

>>715180247
Spark bolt with trigger (or any trigger/timer) have their payloads spawn where the projectile dies, ie on an enemy if you hit them with the trigger. That means path and aim modifiers don't matter. There's a bunch that add damage for no additional mana cost but make projectiles only travel on a linear path. Spark bolt trigger -> heavy spread / horizontal path / whatever -> pretty much any spell.

>>715180470
so what's your build look like out of this first shop then? is it significantly better than the "spark bolt into bomb wand" strat?

>>715180735
I'm not that anon and a relative wandlet but I'd probably do something like spark bolt with trigger, double spell, heavy spread, 2 bouncing burst in the wand he labeled number 1.

last thing to say on what i see in the shop: the spells
in this pic >>715179216 i kinda changed the weight of the lines on the things that catch my attention more than others, obviously heavy spread is insane i already explained why, but the 2 other viable projectile type spells there are spark bolt w/ trigger and pollen
pollen is an amazing early game digging spell, you NEED some form of digging for the coal pits, this isnt an option. if you dont have digging for the 2nd floor you are almost definitely going to be dead in the water come the snow level because its very impractical to explore most of the area unless you have some kind of digging. couple this with the fact that the extra hp hearts are all encased in some kind of diggable material, and you have a practical necessity to have some form of digging and pollen does that for us
now here is where you are going to get mad, our only real option for building a decent wand out of these spells is to use spark bolt w/ trigger and assemble some kind of payload for it

the trigger spells are huge because they allow you to cast spells remotely, so if i hit an enemy with a spark bolt with trigger it will trigger all the spells in its payload inside the enemy that it hit, meaning instead of having to aim all the different spells we just aim one and the rest just hit automatically by virtue of spawning inside the enemy hitbox. we do not have great options for payload spells right now, nor do we have much in the way of multicasting to trigger lots of spells at once but we do have something
for now i am definitely buying the 1 wand in >>715179216 because of the spark bolt trigger it basically ensures that we will have a good wand at some point we just need to find the rest of the pieces. i will also buy the 4 wand because it has pollen to dig and the extra multicasts that i can use to build up a payload. and then finally i will buy the 3 wand because its no shuffle and it has a lot of slots for us to play with

current run has reached critical mass of I can do whatever the fuck I want

debating what I wanna accomplish

>>715180978
he gave me the stipulation that i could only enter the shops once and not return back to edit, if i could do that i would definitely without question buy the heavy spread and spark trigger and go look for something to stuff in as a payload. for now i am just going this route of triggering as many bouncing bursts as i can on this 10 capacity wand, this should be enough damage to comfortably handle anything on the next floor
i actually dont know if trying to make a fast wand is better in this case than trying to make a wand that just triggers a lot of spells, but im opting for the higher capacity wand and as many spells as i can. on the next floor im looking for better payload spells than bouncing burst
my other wand that ill take into coal pits is just a bare shuffle wand with pollen for digging

on second thought what im gonna do is keep one pollen and keep the other so i can drop this one. my goal in the next floor is to find extra hp, and 3 new wands to carry into the next shop

the first extra max hp of the run

I’m too small brain to understand this game but I still really like it. I’ll never be able to experience most of the content but I just like finding powerful shit and being sneaky

>>715181827
any reason you haven't healed?

>>715182024
yeah i wasnt low enough, if i delay it i can go back up in the shop and take it after ive hopefully found some more extra max hps. i found the one id be happy if i found one more and then went back up and got the heal. this is just greed

>>715178827
>Grug only shoot spark bolt, Grug no interact with game mechanics

>>715176123
How does gunpower let you dig? Also I'm at 45 hours, probably hundreds of deaths and I still can't get past the 4th floor. This game is so hard and I can't wrap my head around the wand mechanics. I got a wand with like 20 slots and have no idea how to build it.

2 really really good finds for us, the energy orb is less impressive because i already have pollen for digging but luminous drill (the lightsaber) allows me to go wherever i want (it digs everything) and is also a form of recharge/cast delay fixing

>>715182024
Once you git guud enough, you can leave behind heals on runs you plan to keep going longer if you're not afraid of dying. I regularly leave the first 2 hearts alone if I plan around it.

>>715182256
explain how it's an intended game mechanic then, how is instakilling a boss using a statue instead of using wands meaningful in any way?

>>715182669
Because unlike some bosses Stevari is vulnerable to physics objects. If the game doesn't want you to kill things with rocks the things are coated in matter eater.
Next you're gonna say using water against fire elementals is cheesing?

>>715182669
the whole game is a physics simulation man, killing stevari with the statue is completely intended and nontrivial for beginners to master

on another note here's something that can be used to easily delete stevari once you find some kind of trigger and a form of homing, this plasma beam cross is really good for killing many of the bosses in the game

>>715182805
and how are you supposed to know? what are the hints that proves it's not just an oversight? the fire and water interaction makes sense, this one clearly does not

>>715182502
gunpowder will dig through softer (nonmetal) materials easily you just spray it on the ground and it eats through the floor like acid does. though it doesnt deal acid damage i believe it deals explosive damage and can set you on fire if you get hit by it
i found a triplicate bolt (the shotgun) which is an amazing payload spell and ill just hold onto it until i find something better

how do I beat that cunt east of the lava lake without a terrain cheese? even when I finally had a good run he refused to take damage and polymorphed me in a matter of seconds

>>715183174
>i found a triplicate bolt (the shotgun) which is an amazing payload spell
Can you explain what you mean by this? I don't see a timer or whatever on it how does it fire other spells?

>>715172043
PSSST Nothin personel

>>715170321
Absolute Cinema

>>715183102
>and how are you supposed to know? what are the hints that proves it's not just an oversight?
nothing still in the game is an oversight. i dont think you understand how meticulous and in touch with the players these devs were back in the day. they largely moved onto other things now but this was like day two shit for me when i started learning this game. just get used to killing stevari
>>715183335
when i say payload spells i mean spells that i'm going to put inside my trigger spell. like if i have a sparkbolt with trigger, the "trigger" will cast other spells when it hits something, and those spells that get triggered would be the "payload" in this case. the triplicate bolt is a good one because it's 3 projectiles for one spell slot each doing 5 damage (each one gets the benefit of any modifiers to +damage so if i have +5 projectile damage EACH one of the pellets from it will gain +5 damage)

>>715183592
well played. thats a great way to handle that formation, just crack the ice and let it fall on them and then collect all that extra gold

>>715170321
>not a meteor machine gun wand
Needs more dakka.

linear arc is an amazing find here, +5 damage for 0 mana drain on all the spells inside my trigger payload is completely massive. i could honestly leave the floor right now and dive straight to hiisi but ill continue looking around a bit more

>>715183832
Whoops wrong webm

theres our third max hp up im gonna go back up and grab the heal from the first shop now

>>715183914
machine gun meteor is amazing just not something id wanna build without explosion immunity lol

free heart, lol
so thats 4 on this stage so far

>>715183102
The whole fucking POINT of the game is experimentation, Grug

>>715184657
there's a difference between hypothetico-deductive experimentation and brute forcing, one makes a game interesting, the other a low effort chore

>>715182502

this was actually absurdly dangerous and shows me that i need to leave the floor right now and make my wand better, i was close to death twice in this clip for those who can see it

>>715184856
>testing what different tools do and where they can be applied is brute forcing
The only brute here forcing anything is you and your spark bolt in a bomb wand, Grug

so i just really quickly dipped into the fungal on the left side of coal pits to see if i could see any wands and this is what i was talking about with the rocks, these rocks + any form of homing will completely annihilate the game, they just fly around and kill everything instantly

>>715185360
did you try all 500 spells on all 500 different enemies? no? git gud

nice little extra hp right on the edge
going into the next shop now

first things first check the perks
breathless - neutral, doesnt really help that much right now
homing - this seems good but i rarely ever take it because theres a ton of cases where you dont actually want your shots to automatically home in. and homing is a modifier that you can put on a wand yourself. if you took the rock wand from the fungal above like i showed and then took this though thats an amazing one spell one perk combo that destroys the entire game
and last is exploding corpses - effectively this is explosion immunity with the downside that you will now have to dodge fire all over the place. the upside is you never have to worry about explosion damage again which means hiisi base is mostly free since the only actually dangerous shit in there are the hidden propane tanks that end up fucking you
so thats my pick, easily, no question, exploding corpses

redpill me on this game

>>715185632
I did. Unlike you I Pursued Knowledge

>>715186369
Not OP but a highly addictive rogue like with so many secrets that what you think is the main game is just a small part of it.

You use wands, wands have stats, there are spells and you can build wands by attaching spells and modifiers to it. The game also has physics attached to every single pixel in the game which is why you see videos about it have a bunch of crazy looking shit happen.

spells in the shop, green highlighted are spells i care about and would almost always buy if i saw them
teleport - obvious
long distance cast - has a multitude of uses but ill show you a quick one right here in the webm. free shop exit
yellow are situationally useful
holy lance - little known fact that this can actually dig brickwork in a pinch
light - you can use this as a 1 mana spell wrapping tool if you have nothing else and the light itself is useful in some cases
delayed spellcast - has its uses. mainly for something that beginners have no idea about and im not going to discuss because it will break your mind (seriously dont worry about it its not important and will not help you)

>>715183102
>how are you supposed to know that throwing rocks at enemies hurts them

>>715186995
heres the spells im looking at. the red lines are spells that id mostly ignore as a new player they arent so helpful unless you know what you are doing. egg can be useful sometimes but i find generally the allies just end up hurting you in some way. but some people like playing weird necromancer/summoner type builds so whatever, its not for me

im just dumping these eldritch portals i have never found a use for them, they just seem like a silly spell but im guessing if you pair that with a freeze modifier it becomes insane because meleeing a frozen mob will kill it instantly

>>715187418
im not sure thats how it works but thats how tentacle works, i dont know if the freeze modifier gets applied to the tentacles that come from the portal though never tried it. maybe someone else knows. i find that spell useless

so here is what i have right now, im suffering on mana cost because this wand only has 52 charge speed so im gonna have to go pretty slow through the next level. i hurt myself a lot by not checking the fungal cavern in the level above, there was likely a much better no shuffle wand (all wands in the fungal cavern spawn as no shuffle) that i could have built off of but this still seems like the best option. its kind of a burst rifle right now that deals 200ish damage if all the projectiles connect, and then the mana takes like 4 seconds to refill. hopefully there is a much better wand on this next floor that i can build with

nothing particularly fancy going on here, and like i said the mana charge speed is way too low for this setup that im using, but i prefer to frontload the damage and use up all the mana quickly for raw killing power as there are some very dangerous enemies in the next area

just a slow and steady, precise type of gameplay with this wand. i really dont even need to open it up and use all the mana, just a few frames of this will kill most enemies on the floor instantly

>>715188079
so both cast delay and recharge time are at zero at this point?

>>715177967
They googled OP wands basically

>>715188246
because if I am counting this right, according to the +5 per projectile, this should be around 50 damage per payload, so 50*60=3000 dps?

How's the coop experience with that mod? I've been meaning to try this game and if it's with a buddy then might be even better.

>>715188708
i didnt math it out but we can do that
cast delay:
the wand starts at 0.52
spark bolt trigger: +0.05
luminous drill: -0.58
for this purpose the heavy spread's modification does not apply because it is considered to be "inside" the trigger and only affects that casting frame, same goes for all the spells inside the trigger that have modifications to cast delay. they simply dont apply to the stuff outside the trigger
0.52 + 0.05 - 0.58 = -0.01 = 0
so cast delay is 0 because negative is rounded up to 0

recharge time: starts at 0.47
luminous drill -0.17
heavy spread DOES affect the recharge time even if its inside the trigger and is -0.25
so
0.47 - 0.17 - 0.25 = 0.05
with a 0.05 delay it can fire 20 times per second which is great but it's not a 0 frame delay yet. we'd need a lot more mana recharge to be able to 0 frame this wand probably like 2 add manas or something, we could get away with just 1 but we'd probably wrap it instead and use it on a 1 frame delay (half as good but still good enough to kill most things pretty much instantly)

on another note, why i prefer having burst damage at the start over something i can just hold down forever is sometimes you just need a quick burst of damage to deal with a large threat. i heard lightning stuff above me and sure enough an ukko decided to drop down and almost hit me with a thunder charge. but i was able to kill him in one volley. im heading back to the shop to pick up the heal now because im not taking any more chances

safely back up to 270 hp and i can explore a bit more now

>>715189118
damage is
spark bolt w/ trigger
+3
triplicate
+10
+10
+10
bubble spark
+10
spark bolt (inside trigger)
+8
=51 damage per shot
*20 shots per second (0.05s delay)
=1020 dps (assuming all shots hit and all triggered spells hit [unlikely])
but its a fine estimate

>>715186369
It's terreria but only the combat and you need esoteric coding skills to be able to craft good weapons.

>>715175839
Midas scales with your health too, which is why certain perks and conditions are required to defend against it.

>>715172043
Reminds me of my first fight with the ghost deer. Went in blind and died hilariously.

>>715188246
you did teleport out of the shop, right?

>>715191384
no, this guy wanted to see me play it like a normal newbie playthrough without returning to shops and shit

>>715181927
You don't have to be a genius to understand basic wand-crafting or alchemy. The board in the Holy Mountains tells you what is being cast together in every shot. It's not very informative once you start playing with divide-by spells though

>>715186369
Almost infinite emergent gameplay. The world wants you to make it your bitch. The absolute geniuses included a built-in kill cam to record your most hilarious deaths

>>715190842
hahaha i think i remember seeing this before
zapped out of existence in one frame

>>715186369
You know how in Spelunky you can take everything real carefully and you can maximise all resources and you can progress real steady and have a great run and then make one stupid fuckup and it's all over?

Imagine that but without strict progression.

>>715168416
its a wiki game

>>715192509
you can use the wiki and you wont understand 99% of it until you actually learn how to play

host when

>>715192509
Wiki THIS

>>715192509
t. wiki troon

ok at the shop above hiisi
clear pick here is fire immunity but ill just say
repelling cape - its ok. shines when you start being able to stack multiple of them and basically become immune to stains while moving. pairs well with stainless armor which gives damage reduction while you arent stained
revenge bullets - gives projectile resist but will fire shots back at things that hit you, i generally dont like this but its a fine perk if you have to take it
fire immunity is the clear winner though, goes well with my corpse explosion and is just generally one of the A or S tier perks in the game so thats what im taking
and i already checked the wands.. there is "something" in the shop believe me when i tell you

Why do people get so mad when this is called a wiki game? I love noita but you're out of your mind to pretend you found any of the secrets yourself

to a beginner player this might seem like nothing
but this is actually one of the strongest spells in the entire game
every time you cast this spell, yes if its in the main cast frame it will add +.17s cast time BUT its giving you 30 mana back to the wand's mana pool
this is insane BECAUSE
imagine you are casting this spell at a 0 frame delay meaning 60 times per second
that is the equivalent of having a wand with 1800 mana recharge speed and ill show you why thats absurd in a second

>>715166312 (OP)
Didn't beat the game

>>715170321
>>715172043
>>715183592
>>715191953
kino

>>715192672
what the hell was that

>>715193362
Here, explain with this

>>715193362
this is the type of wand add mana lets you build. its an actual machine gun with infinite mana that shoots on every frame

>>715193995
lol it looks like ur pissing on the statue as the wizard

>>715189457
Co-op mod is super cool. Sweet spot is like 2-5 people. If everyone lives in around the same part of the US it feels great. It's not perfect, but I play it any chance I get, and I already have like 1.3k hours in single player.

>>715166961
>when he is upgraded
Huh? He can be upgraded now?
I haven't played in forever.

>>715194524
actually i have something better for that and this guy has an even better one >>715193583

>>715194898
I was surprised at how well the multiplayer mod worked. Played several rounds with a few anons and had a blast.
One thing I'm very curious about is what happens if you pick up a player that's been polymorphed into a potion mimic and dipped in love juice.

>>715183223
Squidward has a lot of health and pops a temporary shield after the first instance of damage - machine gun wands don't work, you need an alpha-strike wand.

>>715193581
Nuke.

When I first started, I ate a bunch of grass at the start of my runs when I noticed there was a hunger mechanic. Turns out there's no penalty for it being at 0 without a certain perk. Silly me.

oh no im bug abusing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>715173327
can we agree that no part of this run was luck? yeah i could not use the add mana, but i could also just build a crazy wand without it at this point. this run was won a long time ago like in the first shop when we got black hole. and the entire time ive been handicapping myself, not going outside the main path, not preserving the holy mountains so i can edit, etc. you can do this on any seed if you just practice the game. it's an amazing game that is seriously rewarding if you just learn it

>>715195316
That explains it. I suppose I'll have to nuke him next time.

>>715195646
>bug abusing
feature using

this wand alone will annihilate any challenge along the main path of the game. and most of the stuff outside of it as well, except some of the boss encounters that would require a more specific setup. and you could feasibly build something just like this on any run that you start

piercing my beloved

>>715195646
>bug abusing
There are no bugs in this game. Only features. I appreciate the devs balancing the game around a lot of mechanics that would be considered game-breaking bugs anywhere else. My favorite one requires a combination of yours and an enemy's magic added and mixed in just the right way to effectively create your own immunity/absorption perks. Regardless of how powerful you get, there's always a way to get killed by something (at least pre-ending)

>>715195943
so it all boils down to negating the effects of casting/recharge delay by using them on trigger payloads? or are there more strats

>>715196281
Making a machine gun wand like that is usually the simplest way to go about it, but there's things like Homing Rock, Piercing Prickly Spore, Heavy Acceleratng Bouncy shot, infinite laser...
It all just depends on what tools you have at hand, but coming by the tools for a payload machine gun is super easy

i really liked this game, i pirated it twice and then bought it and put 50hrs into it. furthest i got was the jungle or something but im not able to do it consistently. im having fun going into the fungi map but i almost always die there. also if i dont get lightning or that homing laser i dont feel like playing anymore

>>715196945
I assumed all endgame wands relied on divide-bys, like when you get into the 10+ orbs range

>>715196281
Cast delay is negated by being in a payload, but recharge delay isn't.
There's also a funny quirk about chainsaw; it sets the cast delay to 0
You also have to manage your mana usage. The anon you're replying to is smart in using a bunch of deceptively useful modifiers that don't cost a drop of mana, but add damage or reduce recharge time.
>>715196996
>if i dont get lightning or that homing laser i dont feel like playing anymore
You gotta learn to make the best with what you've got. You can make absolutely beastly wands with spells you'd otherwise dismiss as junk.

chainsaw and matter eater
chainsaw is good for obvious reasons to knowers (it SETS the cast delay to 0 in any cast frame that it appears in, so if its in the top level cast frame it nullifies all cast delay no matter how much there is)
and matter eater is crazy for a lot of the same reasons that black hole is, with the upside that if you manage to find a long distance cast you can cast the long distance cast and put the matter eater inside the long distance cast and it wont use any charges of the matter eater but still gain the property of the matter eater (eating through the wall with LDR's invisible particle) see webm: this is not using any charges on matter eater yet it is destroying brickwork
>>715196281
if you mean thats all the game boils down to, no, there's a lot of learning that goes into even being able to explore the dungeon effectively. but as far as building beginning damage wands, that is by far the most effective way that i know of to build strong wands without relying on combos that will not be available to you every run. pretty much in a nutshell:
find a trigger spell (actually doesnt even matter in most cases which one you use, shit ive used egg trigger to win before, but spark bolt trigger is generally considered the best for its properties)
find multicasts
find payload spells
stack as many spells as you can inside the payload
find payload modifiers to make them do more damage, like all the ones that give you +damage for 0 mana cost (linear arc is +5 damage for 0 mana and applies to all projectiles inside the payload)
but there are COUNTLESS other insane spell combos that you could happen to stumble upon but its a matter of 1.knowing them 2.actually finding them
and countless other ways of building actual damage too. this is just one method but its the one method i find most consistent

>>715197303
oh and chainsaw and matter eater were in hiisi shop thats what i was talking about, wasnt just randomly talking about those spells lol

>have fun struggling to become a god
>become a god, quit due to boredom
They should have made a hierarchy of difficulties to complete. After you've beaten it once, the only goal is to become a God every run.

>>715197397
play apotheosis
play purgatory

>>715197448
NTA but I struggle really hard with Apotheosis, really wish they didn't make going into parallel worlds impossible but I do understand why it's necessary.

>>715197397
or just get good at doing normal dungeon runs. i dont even find myself trying to become god anymore, i have such a better time just trying to play as effectively as possible in the early game and try to get myself to a point where i could break out and go do all those crazy things. being able to do that on any seed is such a good feeling

>>715197101
I typically don't bother with divide-bys unless I have a very specific goal in mind. Crit-stacking is generally my go-to for damage output once I have the mobility to quickly scout for spells.

>>715197735
how would you beat a 64 orb boss then?

>>715183102
There's a spell called rock that summons a rock that kills things when it lands on them because it's a physics object that is meant to do damage. You can add homing to it and homes in on things. There's perk that makes your kick incredibly strong so you can kick physics objects and do a million damage. There is also a perk that gives you the force that when picked it is immediately tested on the statues in the holy mountain since that is the nearest object, so you immediately learn you can grab and throw that to kill things.

>>715192509
Only if you care about 100%ing it and don't wanna dedicate your life to understanding Finnish autism. You can just play and explore and have a great time.

>>715197101
Wait until you learn about the most overpowered spell in the entire game tentacle with timer

>>715197916
That's a very specific goal.

I use a mod that prevents gold from fading away and I don't care if that goes against the anti greed intention of the game.

>>715197916
:^)

>>715198314
you just need a projectile that can deal around 2^64 damage, or even 2^70 for a one shot, surely there much be a way to arbitrarily scale exponentially

>>715166312 (OP)
When will the gods stop your sinful hand
>>715186369
Finnish wizard suicide simulator, it's great

>>715198526
Cheapest way is the 6 spells posted by this guy >>715198496

>>715197553
That's basically just doing what I said, but just stopping before the slog starts. I just want tiered difficulties like almost every other roguelite there is. Remove the tedious orb hunt for increased boss HP, tie it to difficulties, and add stacking modifiers for each one to make it more challenging.

Small teleport bolt > teleport bolt

>>715198496
I'm not talking about cheesy technicalities, but about a way to deal an arbitrarily large, but rather exact amount of damage? like I want my spark bolt to deal between 1e20 and 1e21

>>715199375
It's possible. You just gotta put in the work to create it.

>>715199856
but projectile modifiers are essentially either additive or maybe multiplicative, are there mechanics that can actually produce exponential effects in a predictable/measurable manner?

Sure, let's try-

>>715166312 (OP)
Is this game like terraria? I'll might pick this up whenever there's a sale

By the time I learned how to do this, it was completely useless for my goal. Turns out utility spells don't spawn on wands at all. I can't tell you how many times I had to bloat parallel worlds my file until near crashes and compress New Game+ the file back down to start anew hopping from utility box to utility box in my mad hunt for the damn Wuplicate spell, the last on my list. I probably could have used a world-teleport wand for the task, but the speed in which I zoomed through the world made it not feel necessary. Bless the devs for adding the new mechanic to teleport bolts and adding the Watchtower for endless videos of careless Noitas splatting into it

>>715200382
Yeah there are, but it's a pain in the ass to test them since neither the statues nor the holy mountain panels are going to give you an accurate reading on what's going on. You're most likely gonna need mods to test out the more esoteric mechanics yourself (or just read the wiki)

>>715200825
a much closer comparison is like a roguelike super metroid (unironically)

>>715200825
It's like a Terraria in the sense that it's a pixelated sidescroller with a world that can be built upon or destroyed. It's kind of like the old sandbox flash games where every pixel is simulated and can react with each other. Fire spreads on things like oil/whiskey/you; water flows down hills; gasses rise; sand can be kicked around; etc.. Then you also have an insanely complex magic system where you can make a near infinite amount of different spell combinations and wand functions. The cherry on top is that there is a lot out there if you ever get ballsy enough to walk off the main path. It is genuinely one of the most beautiful games I have every played.

>>715202404
Physics interactions do interest me greatly
I'll wishlist it

>>715202201
Meanwhile when I try to use it

>>715202265
This is a pretty good comparison. It's like a Super Metroid, but you have to create your own powerups with the scraps available to you.

>>715202626
when i call it super metroid im obviously not taking into consideration all the level destruction and simulation aspects, but to me the game with all its world traversal backtracking stuff, no dialogue or characters to interact with besides enemies who are trying to kill you, it really FEELS like you are exploring one of the older metroid games (the devs even state super metroid was a huge influence on this game) also the wand building is like a mega-overthought deckbuilder version of super metroid's beam-mixing stuff

PSA to any newfags to this game: disable Steam's cloud backup for this game. When your world save starts getting absolutely massive (when you really start walking off the beaten path), the cloud backup is gonna shit the bed and start doing some unsavory shit randomly. Also, if you ever start seeing this screen upon loading your world, you might want to end the run or go to New Game+ before your world becomes too unstable. If you go long distances in one session, it's a smart idea to reload the engine from time to time. Restart with Selected Mods Enabled in the menu will do this without needing to manually close and reopen the game.

as far as the falling sand game/powder game/powder toy comparison, petri and olli straight up said they were inspired by those

>>715203353
Has Steam cloud ever not corrupted a game save?

>>715173121
those were kept there for people doing long runs no? I never bother personally but then again I'm only like 30h in

>>715175260
>like a new player would
you'd think that but I've been watching this streamer play blind for a couple of weeks now and they still haven't figured out anything about wand building besides total mana and mana regen, don't even know what shuffle is. It's pretty interesting to watch if slightly frustrating, they'll pass on shit like tinker everywhere or chainsaw and get excited about spells like Rain haha.

>>715182502
>at 45 hours, probably hundreds of deaths and I still can't get past the 4th floor.

same, I understand wand building though I'm just shit at the game lol. Still fun though. I won once but then realized I had that spell lab immortality still turned on lol so it didn't count.

>>715177314
nah, I figured out the first dark area on like my fifth run. It's easy if you get lucky enough to find a torch spell which iirc is common on the first level. What's neat about this game is that most of the 'aha' moments will carry over into your next game, like even though I didn't know how to drain the water I now knew there was something to explore there which made me check other areas for darkness as well.

>>715203490
Yeah. There's a lot of crazy, esoteric mechanics that involve breaking the game to complete some of the real out-there quest lines. Beating the final boss of this game for the first time is practically when the tutorial stops and the real game begins. I'd be surprised if you've even made it past Hiisi Base at 30h in. A lot of those mechanics won't be relevant to your runs until your goal is no longer just making it to the bottom.
>>715203484
I've only ever had a problem with this game specifically and even then it's only because the file size can get too big for the cloud to handle.

>>715204289
>>Yeah. There's a lot of crazy, esoteric mechanics that involve breaking the game to complete some of the real out-there quest lines

For sure, sometimes if I wake up early on a weekend I'll watch that dunkorslam guy, everytime he's doing shit I didn't know even existed in game.

So far Hiisi is the place I consistently reach unless I'm suiciding early because I fucked up a run, I get to jungle like once every six or seven runs but die to bullshit because I'm so happy I got there lmao. Honestly I enjoy even the short runs where I die quick, I usually never go past one run every few days so I don't frustrated. I think the angriest I got was accidentally spraying a drop of poly on myself at 600 hp on the run where I finally understood what chainsaw did, went from being happy at how broken my wand was to dying like a minute later trying to poly some mob.

>>715204992
Heh, at least chainsaws are fairly common so you know the trick earlier in your runs for next time.

>>715181065

>tfw my barrel*fireball payload trigger hits an invisible pixel in front of me and instakills me

Which autism is stronger, Noita autism or Factorio autism?

>>715181927
watch a short vid on wandbuilding, i'm also a wandlet but some of the key wand building concepts like spell wrapping helped out a lot.

>>715192509
No it's fucking not, the game can be easily learned through experience
>Noooo but I want to know everything instantly
your problem for being retarded

>>715166312 (OP)
>needing a tablet

>>715191953
lmao this one got me

>>715205427

>>715205782
?? more like >needing a statue
you can pick up and carry the tablet in your inventory, you need an entire perk to pick up and take the statue with you
tablet is infinitely more versatile and it should be what you aspire to. wait until you learn about tablet telekinesis

>>715193320
imo because you can beat and enjoy the game without ever touching a wiki, the secrets and parallel world stuff is completely optional, even though to be fair it does constitute most of your playtime once you are done with the tutorial. But most people playing won't get that far.

>>715205731
>find new thing
>try it
>instant death
>repeat for 200 different things
It's a wiki game.

>>715206430
you realize the devs fucked off a long time ago right? they are not involved in any of this discord tranny shit and only silently update the game from the shadows once in a blue moon

>>715206430
>>find new thing
>>try it
>>instant death
>>repeat for 200 different things
Anon, we already knew from your previous post that you were a retarded disabled nigger incapable of learning, don't have to tell us twice.

>>715195605
kek same I was eating shit on the floor throughout my first run

>>715206579

>>715206743
>dynamite guy has the homing perk
it explains so much

>>715206743
Learn how death crosses work anon

>>715204289
Thanks for sharing so much info, it's really helped. Going to research that spell wrapping mechanic and give it another go. Would like to at least be able to beat the game once.
One quick question, I got to the jungle and there were these spiders like things with huge circular mouths. But none of my attacks seemed to be hurting them. In fact it looked like my shots were going right through them. They also didn't really do much to me either just kind of chased me around but even touching them didn't hurt me. I'm just confused what their deal is?

>>715207554

have a nice hard look at this image

>>715207417
GUYS [[[DO NOT]]] USE THE DEATH CROSS AGAINST THE WAND CONNOISSEUR
WORST MISTAKE OF MY LIFE lost 30 hour god run when I mistakenly fired it in a parallel world

>>715207797
no mods, fresh save file

>>715208047

>>715206743
Try using it near the holy mountain fish

>>715205731
>bro just decipher a made up glyph language on your own everyone does it

>>715208945
It's basic letter substitution
... and Finnish.

I'm surprised nobody has managed to solve the Eye puzzle yet

>>715210832
Almost like it's complete bullshit, has no answer and the devs are just stringing you along

>>715212461
they confirmed it has an answer

>>715213358
They sure did anon, just like pic related, they both sure have answers.

What is the first thing you do every run

>>715213575
if i dont spawn with: water, ambrosia, unstable tele
i dump it out and go get water from the tree to the left
then i try going up on top of the mountain where i get the +25hp and the emerald tablet
if i start with bombs then i dont bother with it ill go get the tabula smaragdina from near the lava lake and tablet surf up there later. i never cared to learn how to do bomb kicks

>>715213358
is it 42?

>>715214301
hell if i know bro, its likely some insanely complex algorithm that petri came up with
in other news, the rose wand in todays daily is really nice. ball lightning and chainsaw orbit

>>715183223
Cast plasma beam cross at him and run the fuck away.

very usable soft material digging right on the first floor too with slimeball

small tele bolt and projectile repulsion field in the first shop
if you're just playing for a win this seed is an auto win

any good twink smutt of that smug purple robe wearin motherfuckin motherfucker.

but really it's OBVIOUSLY a male. all the fanart with noita as a girl is stupid and gay.

>>715213575
If I have a good way up to the altar for the orb and sacrificing the tablet up there I'll do that. If not, I'll maybe get to it later. Like anon I dump the flask if it's not water/ambrosia/tele, but I try to kick/scoop up a drop of water from right inside the mountain and hope I find either more water or a pool of toxic sludge I can cleanse with the 1 drop of water I got. In general I don't like to spend a lot of time traveling for crutches etc. Like I'm not traveling across the desert unless I have teleport or some other way to travel fast and am expecting to get more than 1-2 things from the trip (ie gold biome, pyramid boss, and getting a couple wands in wandmart).

>>715213575
fungal caves every damn time
everything else is optional

>>715217243
This, always rush for the fungal caves to get a good wand. Then my run really starts

>>715216647
This boi's got a thicc ass 4 u

thought I was getting somewhere after reaching the fourth or fifth biome pretty regularly. then I looked at a youtube video in which someone figured out how to make each impact cause a gorillion damage, and decided I was filtered. too much esoteric crap to have to learn or look up. it's one thing to not hand-hold, and another entirely to toss the player into an infinite abyss and say "figure it out". this game is only for the most severe of autists.

>>715192509
trvthnvke

>>715205447
I think the autism ceiling is higher for Noita but Factorio has larger scale. they're both great.

>>715218534
You should be able to do at least the main path without looking anything up.

>>715198248
>You can just play and explore and have a great time
NTA but I tried doing this so many times across several months and the experience always left me frustrated. Never ever gotten close to beating the game, which I assume is descending to the lowest floor. Not even Terraria gatekeeps this hard despite often erroneously labelled as a wiki game as well. For me, it just comes down to the fact that you only have one fucking life. It kills any sense of motivation and, of course, progress. Truly feels like the kind of game designed for people stuck in solitary confinement with this as the only source of entertainment.

>kummitus was waiting for me at the entrance of the coal pits
i guess i can't play today

I've only had like 2 god runs years ago. I fucked up and entered NG+ without realizing the NG+ worlds lack a bunch of the post game exploration stuff, so I kind of wasted it.

Never did unlock the divide by spells.

>>715175438
how do you collect teleportatium?

>>715221683
toss a flask in there, save and quit, reload the save and then the flask will be sitting upright, it will fill, and then you can just set the rest of the teleportatium on fire or something and jump in and grab it

>>715220867
it is more easily enjoyed if you find humor in your own stupidity

>>715189842
This is very informative, thank you.

hosting some co-op
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>>715221754
>reload the save and then the flask will be sitting upright
hey, that's cheating!