YoshiP says there’s “no clear-cut answer” on if future games will return to turn-based - /v/ (#715170560) [Archived: 347 hours ago]

Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:03:39 PM No.715170560
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what the hell is his problem?

https://www.videogamer.com/news/final-fantasy-producer-yoship-says-theres-no-clear-cut-answer-on-if-future-games-will-return-to-turn-based/
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:05:36 PM No.715170726
Translation: the next Final Fantasy game will be trying to cash in on the success of Expedition 33
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Yoshi
7/11/2025, 6:05:52 PM No.715170747
Turn based games don't sell
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:23:39 PM No.715172174
It's an indictment on Expedition 33 that no one is excited for a sequel to it but for Final Fantasy to be like it
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:25:35 PM No.715172326
>>715172174
People only get "excited" for games years out that have huge marketing departments
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:25:36 PM No.715172335
>>715170560 (OP)
>what the hell is his problem?
yoshinori kitase
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:30:19 PM No.715172692
square enix still makes a bazillion turnbased games, get over it

final fantasy sales decline is not because of its combat systems
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:32:54 PM No.715172875
>>715170747
>Turn based games don't sell
Unless they're Persona.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:33:27 PM No.715172926
They need to go all in on the Rebirth combat. It has so much potential
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:34:21 PM No.715172995
>>715170560 (OP)
>UHHHHHHHH FANS DON'T LIKE TURN BASED ANYMORE
>Persona, Metaphor, Baldur's Gate 3, E33, Deltarune sell a shit ton

Then they move on to saying this bullshit.
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:35:52 PM No.715173112
Does this nigga remember Mario RPG?
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:36:53 PM No.715173191
>>715170560 (OP)
>>715172995
There problem is that Square-Enix executives still for some delusional reason consider Final Fantasy their flagship titan and think that it should always adapt to mainstream sensibilities of 15-25 year old Americans.
They refuse to accept that only millennial and gen X nostalgiafags give a single fuck about Final Fantasy as an IP anymore.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:37:18 PM No.715173228
>>715172995
persona sells because of dating mechanics
metaphor did not sell that well
baldurs gate 3 sold because of muh bear sex muh nudify
E33 sold because its a great game (and i'd argue its combat system is only liked because of the parry/dodge system)
deltarune sold well because of furries
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:38:46 PM No.715173348
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>>715172692
This

Boomies need to accept that Final Fantasy has been an action rpg franchise longer than turn based

Play slop like dragon quest or octopath if you want to live in the 80s lol
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:40:04 PM No.715173460
>>715173348
But zoomies don't even play Final Fantasy at all. Only audience the franchise has are the boomies who buy them to be disappointed in them.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:40:20 PM No.715173479
>>715173228
>persona sells because of dating mechanics
3 million copies at most for 5 and its spin-offs. 1-2 million for 3 and 4.
>deltarune sold well because of furries
Hasn't reached a million units yet.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:40:22 PM No.715173481
>>715170560 (OP)
I think encouraging devs to make what they want is a good thing
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:40:29 PM No.715173491
the future is ff7r combat
if versus 13 came out we would've had kh2 combat in mainline ff instead of ff16 GOW westoid slop
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:41:00 PM No.715173528
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>>715170560 (OP)
What'd he mean by this?
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:41:00 PM No.715173529
take rebirths combat system
put it into an actual new setting and world
have ishikawa write
use the job system

ez, ff17 fixed
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:41:13 PM No.715173545
>>715170726
>>715172995
if you can look at these games and conclude the sole reason they sold well is because turn-based then you need to take a good look in the mirror and reevaluate your critical thinking. By this conclusion if you change FF to turn based and kept everything else the same it will sell 10 million copies? Good thing none of you are game developers. Spineless and would just hop from trends instead of making your own path
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:41:22 PM No.715173552
>>715170747
Pokémon
Dragon quest
CRPGs are all turn based now
Total war is half turn based
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:41:53 PM No.715173596
>>715173491
>if versus 13 came out we would've had kh2 combat in mainline ff
Honestly could've saved the franchise back then. KH2 was the future and yet Square rejected it to appease the old fucks who refused to adapt.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:42:24 PM No.715173631
>>715173545
That's not what I'm saying. Square Enix to begin with insisted that the game would flop if it was turn based.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:43:00 PM No.715173683
>>715173228
this post is so funny because it's basically entire predicated on conflating the appeal of these games with how this place specifically treats them. persona has waifu wars here, so it only sells because dating mechanics, BG3 has bear sex shitposting so naturally people only like it for that. E33 actually managed to be discussed here in good faith so it's the "great" game.
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:43:16 PM No.715173710
>>715173552
>Pokémon
Pokemon doesn't sell because it's turn based, dipshit. It sells because it's POKEMON.
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:43:46 PM No.715173738
WHY DOES SQUARE ENIX USE SMEAR FILTERS FOR PIXEL ART REMASTERS
I HATE IT SO MUCH
YOU USELESS FUCKS AAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:44:59 PM No.715173820
>>715173710
a big part of the appeal of pokemon is the easy to grasp combat at a base level anon.
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:45:00 PM No.715173823
>>715170560 (OP)
Why are people asking the mmo producer this? He needs to fix his fucking mmo first before doing anything else.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:45:04 PM No.715173829
>>715170560 (OP)
I think my issue isnt with non-turn based but the fact that modern final fantasy doesnt feel party based since its an action game with one character or its Rebirth where you have multiple characters but controlling all of them means automating as much as you can or just menuing anyway but it looks visually bad
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:45:12 PM No.715173854
>>715173683
Bro, you're old. You don't get what the current gen's into. You're also a fucking nerd so your opinion's doubly worthless. Nerds tend to be zealots with no sense of reality. Very feminine mind.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:45:22 PM No.715173864
>>715173710
Final fantasy used to sell because it's final fantasy. Changing their genre (among many other things) damaged their brand. Returning to form (lol) would include coming back to turn based (among many other things).
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:45:23 PM No.715173865
>>715170560 (OP)
Where the fuck did the whole "TBRPG games don't sell" when it feels like every fucking year you have a TBRPG game that gets critical and commercial success with a dozen IGN articles about how "Turn Based is Back Baby!"

If every fucking year some new turn base game is blowing up you'd think the conclusion is: "Huh....I guess they never stopped being succesful".
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:46:27 PM No.715173951
>>715173820
I'm pretty sure most people would prefer Pokemon with real-time combat.
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:46:32 PM No.715173959
>>715173683
i have literally never ever seen gameplay discussion of persona 5, only story discussion or waifufaggotry, it is not a game where people think to themselves, goddamm what a good combat system.
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:46:42 PM No.715173969
>>715172174
Fucking retard, that's because there's no point in making an E33 sequel. The game's story is self contained.
And you're delusional if you think people aren't looking forward to Guillaumes next game.
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:46:49 PM No.715173976
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>>715170560 (OP)
Can we expect a barefoot Tifa?
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:46:50 PM No.715173979
>>715170726
Lmao Squeenix doesn't care about E33's paltry sales, they want something that will sell 10 million or more.
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:47:28 PM No.715174025
>>715173864
>Returning to form (lol) would include coming back to turn based (among many other things).
Bro, it's been YEARS. Current-gen ain't gonna tolerate the turn-based shit without a hook. USE THE BRAIN.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:47:46 PM No.715174045
>>715173864
the thing that damaged their brand was the massive time gap between game releases causing zoomers to grow up without final fantasy having any relevance to them
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:49:02 PM No.715174146
>>715172692
All of those turn based games are nothing like final fantasy from FF1-FFX
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:49:04 PM No.715174151
>>715174045
>causing zoomers to grow up without final fantasy having any relevance to them
We had Kingdom Hearts in the mean-time. And Persona.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:49:28 PM No.715174179
>>715173951
>I'm pretty sure most people would prefer Pokemon with real-time combat.
this assumption is exactly what led FF to take a downward dip in sales. turn based IS popular, action elements filter out potential players because many aren't looking for reaction based systems
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:51:16 PM No.715174304
>>715174179
>this assumption is exactly what led FF to take a downward dip in sales
no, it was simply because the games were objectionably bad.
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:51:28 PM No.715174318
>>715174146
be honest, do you really REALLY want to go back to those systems

>attack
>attack
>heal
>magic attack
>defend
>summon

over and over and over and over and over
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:51:31 PM No.715174325
>>715174045
I'm pretty sure it was releasing 6 shit games in a row and not long development cycles.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:51:51 PM No.715174346
>>715174146
Because they had a HOOK.
>>715174179
>this assumption is exactly what led FF to take a downward dip in sales
Bro, quit assuming shit. You don't know what you're talking about.
>turn based IS popular
My ass it is.
>action elements filter out potential players because many aren't looking for reaction based systems
Bro, quit thinking you're representative of what the majority of players want. Different people like different things from you. And they don't like basic bitch turn-based without a HOOK.
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:51:51 PM No.715174347
>>715173959
I dunno I've managed to discuss the gameplay just fine, and recently even. talked about how I quite liked how 5 in particular had sort of managed to re-merge with mainline/the older games with the readdition of stuff like demon negotiation and sword/gun split. baton pass needed to be toned down though, shit's too strong and basically makes weighing up going for the one more on one character over just amplifying someone else's stuff a no brainer, especially with the skills that do extra damage on baton pass.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:52:13 PM No.715174371
>>715170560 (OP)
translation: E33 is the FOTM right now for gaijin but if the next critically acclaimed game is action based we will follow that system instead
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:53:34 PM No.715174463
It doesn't matter. I haven't enjoyed a Final Fantasy title, and they get worse with each entry, since X and it's for many reasons. Not just the lack of turn-based combat.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:54:30 PM No.715174543
>>715170560 (OP)
>kind of game the creators want to make
This "star game designer" shit has ruined SE.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:55:03 PM No.715174582
>>715174304
not even close to true, both 7R's are pretty good and XVI was much better than XV. Their worst action game in XV was the one that did the best sales wise, ironically enough. people simply aren't interested in modern SE's action focused entries, meanwhile something like E33 and BG3 are selling like hot cakes. turn based games are popular and very accessible
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:55:04 PM No.715174584
The latest turn based games have sold well because they tend to heavily put focus into story, music and making a cohesive experience. Turn based has had decades of scrutiny and innovation to the point where a developer now just has to take the good and add a bit of special sauce like in E33's case and it's a banger. With FF the stories and music haven't been industry defining like they used to be, everyone else has caught up. However, I feel like if they were to refine Rebirths combat and give the player more authority over decision making during combat without having to scroll through a hundred menus, as well as upping the standard of storytelling and music, then I dont see why they cant sell 10 million copies. They can do it. It's why I dont want them to just go back to turn based because some other games did well. I can see potential and I feel Square can see it too which is why they are on the fence. They just need more time to cook. The success of other games like BG, Metaphor and E33 is only a good thing because it lights a fire under their asses to get the ball rolling.
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:55:33 PM No.715174619
i want you to imagine final fantasy 16, everything stays the same but now its (classic) turnbased with three party members

It would have sold way and waaaay worse
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:55:39 PM No.715174627
>>715170560 (OP)
To be fair, FF's problems extend beyond whether it's turn-based or not.
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:57:53 PM No.715174778
>>715174346
>man who claims I don't know what I'm talking about can only offer the amazing insight of "people only like a type of a game if it can hook them"
wowee anon I had no idea. truly an endless font of intelligence you've got up there. if we just ignore every traditional turn based game ever made it turns out the genre isn't very popular at all
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 6:58:44 PM No.715174843
>>715174371
>BG3 is the FOTM right now for gaijin but if the next critically acclaimed game is action based we will follow that system instead
>Metaphor is the FOTM right now for gaijin but if the next critically acclaimed game is action based we will follow that system instead
>E33 is the FOTM right now for gaijin but if the next critically acclaimed game is action based we will follow that system instead
Maybe he just hates FF fags.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 7:00:06 PM No.715174960
>>715174584
>everyone else has caught up

Stories in JRPGs haven't just stagnated. They have regressed. If they still made stories like they did 20+ years ago there wouldn't be an issue. Also, much like they West Japan has the ever increasing focus on side content, empty fields and bloat in general. It's a lot of resources spent on something that really isn't necessary in a genre people primarily play for the story. Not to mention it fucks the pacing. Technical limitations forced them to keep a more sensible ratio between the two.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 7:00:53 PM No.715175005
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>>715170560 (OP)
He's coping to shareholder.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 7:01:04 PM No.715175020
>>715174627
FF became popular because it was revolutionary for its time and pushed the envelope for vidya storytelling and production values. They’re like the vidya equivalent of Disney movies.

If FF wants to hit that level of relevance again, it has to be revolutionary again.
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 7:02:06 PM No.715175093
XIII sold really badly and XV is the best selling FF game
Sometimes its just marketing or even a stroke of luck and squeenix is just trying to create another hit by looking at market data

The problem is how much they spend their budget on how to attract people to their game and the graphics, and thus the game suffers with shit gameplay/story/content
and with the negative connotation with FF nowadays, like no one expects a great game but probably a decent game with nice graphics at least for FF, so a new FF is impossible to be a hit.
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 7:04:08 PM No.715175243
>>715175093
>XIII sold really badly
I thought XIII sold quite well, but the games after rightfully sold like hogs piss
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 7:04:32 PM No.715175282
>>715175020
>it has to be revolutionary again.

Isn't this mindset precisely the problem with 7Remake? They couldn't just do a more sensible, concise remake combining both old and new in the style of Expedition 33. The original 7 was revolutionary so the remake had to be too, leading to an absolutely bloated monstrosity.

That's the problem with Final Fantasy in general. So much focus on spectacle and quantity. But they eat up resources like no tomorrow and leave little room for anything else. 16 barely even had a story but it had a very flashy but boring combat system and caveman tier Eikon battles.
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 7:04:39 PM No.715175293
we cannot conclude final fantasy popularity untill they release a mainline title day one multiplat

ps5/ps6/pc/switch 2 (maybe) should allow for a much better initial sales number
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 7:05:27 PM No.715175341
>>715173864
>Return to form
Depends, you mean actual turn based gameplay or its shitty ATB "Turn" based system
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 7:06:00 PM No.715175371
>>715170560 (OP)
Any gameplay system is fine as long as it’s actually good but turn based would be preferable. FF15 and 16 don’t suck because they’re action games they suck because they’re dogshit action games with terrible artstyle, story and characters to boot.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 7:06:57 PM No.715175437
>>715175341
ATB had the "wait" option, which was basically just optional turn based gameplay while ATB speed was a weird difficulty slider nobody used except me
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 7:12:14 PM No.715175825
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>>715175243
huh you're right
maybe its actually just chasing those highs and maybe XV being really shit killed FF
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 7:13:35 PM No.715175928
>>715175282
It’s more about being revolutionary in the sense that it pushes the medium forward while also sticking to its roots. FF6 was one of the earliest examples of complex character drama in vidya, even if it was a bit uneven at points. 7 and 8 pioneered the use of CGI and upped the cinematic emphasis, and IX and X continued to refine that basis.

The big misstep I feel was with Spirits Within. It was the start of Square having this trend of them falling in love with the tech that they have so far that they forget to make a product with substance underneath it all. Honestly, throughout the 2000s and 2010s, I feel as though Kingdom Hearts dethroned FF as Square’s beloved JRPG franchise.
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 7:13:45 PM No.715175946
>>715172174
Or it's because E33 literally just came out this year?
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 7:13:54 PM No.715175960
>>715170560 (OP)
I'm not sure how this is a controversial thing to say. I'm also not sure if he even has any say on what the next game would be like. That would be Kitase I think.
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 7:18:58 PM No.715176316
>>715175960
everything he says is controversial because of the handful of hyper autistic retards here that are obsessed with their SE corporate headcanon
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 7:20:15 PM No.715176403
>>715175825
The problem isnt the amount the games sold, its how much the games cost to make and their development times. A game like FFXV has had to have had an absolutely badshit retard budget
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 7:20:27 PM No.715176415
>>715173979
Like Baldur's Gate 3 for example
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 7:21:04 PM No.715176451
>>715174318
Yes
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 7:22:23 PM No.715176552
>>715170560 (OP)
That seems like the obvious.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 7:24:03 PM No.715176662
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Love and Deepspace is more compelling than Final Fantasy these days.
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 7:31:44 PM No.715177192
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>>715175093
>XV is the best selling FF game
No, that would be VII. After all this time, the franchise never surpassed VII's sales.

XV also had many advantages that earlier entries didn't. More aggressive marketing, an overall bigger industry, multiplatform releases. And still it only barely broke what FFX sold on the PS2 alone, with none of the good will or cultural relevance. VII and X remain the cultural classics while XV wallows in its own shit as an incomplete piece of garbage.
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 7:33:46 PM No.715177345
repeat after me
not every game needs to be turn based
not every game needs to be dmc
not every game needs to be soul
franchises should stay on the genre they were conceived
>>715176662
whats this faggot thing?
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 7:34:48 PM No.715177431
Rubber bullets.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 7:37:01 PM No.715177614
>>715177192
I hate that I fell for the FF15 marketing hype buildup.
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 7:39:02 PM No.715177757
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>>715177345
Someone people born with vaginas like.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 7:39:58 PM No.715177824
>>715175928
KH is literally a huge part of the reason people stopped liking SE's output lmao, the only people who cared about KH in the mainstream were retarded scene kids
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 7:40:27 PM No.715177865
>>715177614
I knew it was shit when I tried out episode duscae. The most tragic part is the game could have actually been really fun if they had just stuck to the gameplay being an iteration of Kingdom Hearts'. But no, they had to do their own thing instead and we got hold O to win instead.
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 7:40:43 PM No.715177882
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>>715177345
Something people born with vaginas like.
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 7:41:49 PM No.715177943
Japan is creatively bankrupt and haven't been relevant in decades.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 7:41:53 PM No.715177950
>>715177882
is this some FF? tell me so i can avoid playing it
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 7:43:24 PM No.715178039
>>715170726
his statement is more suggestive that they don't care to do so at all
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 7:44:48 PM No.715178141
>>715173969
not him but you didn't play the game
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 7:45:56 PM No.715178230
>>715177824
KH was always financially successful though, while FF stopped being. KH games are also of a consistently higher quality than FF games post-10.
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 7:55:52 PM No.715178948
>>715177865
What’s funny is they kept on revising it. Episode Duscae had a system where you set a weapon for each part of the combo chain.
I didn’t mind playing it, it was a comfy core gameplay, it’s just the content was eh. I feel like the marketing in general was based on a misdirection and you MUST BUY. It was kinda disturbing to me, using the corpse of Versus XIII like that.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 7:57:31 PM No.715179067
>>715178230
>KH games are also of a consistently higher quality than FF games post-10.
LMAO
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 8:00:13 PM No.715179275
>>715178230
this is why they shut down all those shitty phone games after reporting massive losses? Pretty sure the handheld games no one played only count as financially successful because they were made on shoestring budgets, if that
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 8:00:25 PM No.715179285
>>715178230
Everything past 2 is awful, those command deck games are borderline unplayable with stories that make you want to bash your head against concrete and KH3 was a massive disappointment
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 8:01:35 PM No.715179389
>>715177345
But enough about defending the open world enshittening of zelda as a return to form for the original nes title
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 8:03:01 PM No.715179513
>>715179275
nta but the massive losses were the cost of the cancelled games themselves
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 8:04:51 PM No.715179667
>>715179513
anon they have been reporting losses in the mobile division for years
Replies: >>715180880
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 8:05:54 PM No.715179739
>>715179389
what are you talking about shizo
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 8:20:10 PM No.715180880
>>715179667
Is there a single SE mobile slop that's been profitable? Why are these faggots incapable of making at least one? You're telling me the niggers at Granblue which LITERALLY just ripoff FF can do it but the originators can't?
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 8:21:36 PM No.715180983
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Based

rebirth combat system is the most fun ive had in gaming for a long time ( unironically )
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 8:26:50 PM No.715181414
>>715170560 (OP)
This is such a nothingburger statement that I can't fathom that you're riling yourself up over it.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 8:27:43 PM No.715181475
Why is this even a thread? He literally says he's not working on it so he doesn't know. Kill yourself you black jungle nigger.
Replies: >>715182619
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 8:29:32 PM No.715181647
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>>715170560 (OP)

Reminder that the autist who spamrages threads about Yoshida will STILL blame Yoshida if Nomura and the gang make more actionslop next.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 8:31:33 PM No.715181810
>>715172692
dragon quest 7 was mid and literally everything since dq7 has just been a shitty clone of that game.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 8:32:57 PM No.715181924
>>715173710
i don't see anyone complain about it being turn based
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 8:36:41 PM No.715182286
>>715177614
i tried to tell /v/ it would be shit but no listened. too many dmc fags at the time i think
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 8:37:52 PM No.715182397
>>715170560 (OP)
What's hard to understand? He said this because SE lets whoever is making a particular FF game decide what kind of game they want to make instead of dictating "You're making a turn-based FF now."
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 8:40:26 PM No.715182619
>>715181475
Thanks for posting in it.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 8:44:57 PM No.715182986
>>715170560 (OP)
Death to turd based
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 8:45:17 PM No.715183010
it's called turn-BASED for a reason
Replies: >>715184872
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 8:58:47 PM No.715184045
Rescue+sacrifice+transfer_e1760c_97573796
Rescue+sacrifice+transfer_e1760c_97573796
md5: ac3cc097e3915ac0cd7a1a7006570295🔍
We pretending that E33 didn't do well because of the French buying it in droves and also ignoring the fact like 50% of reviews for the game specifically mention Square Enix and Final Fantasy?
Replies: >>715184312 >>715184478 >>715184601 >>715187205
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:02:35 PM No.715184312
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>>715184045
The French aren't any significant demographic. E33 did well because it caught normalfag attention. But it caught normalfag attention because it is genuinely kino and SE needs to look at it and remember what they used to be.
Replies: >>715184931
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:04:47 PM No.715184478
>>715184045
This isn't wukong anon, there's nowhere near as many Frenchmen buying video games in doves as you think
Replies: >>715184931
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:06:24 PM No.715184601
>>715184045
E33 did well because the western audience was starving for a proper based game that wasnt weeb shit.
Final Fantasy was THE turn based rpg everyone was looking forward to until they started drifting off after FF XIII: Lightning Returns. No one successfully filled that non-weeb void until E33
Replies: >>715184931
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:10:05 PM No.715184872
>>715183010
i laughed.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:10:46 PM No.715184931
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>>715184312
>>715184478
>>715184601
Vastly more than any other game. Still Chinks and assorted other subhumans. Also, people never mention how cheap it is compared to other games on release.
Replies: >>715185040
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:12:06 PM No.715185040
>>715184931
>Also, people never mention how cheap it is compared to other games on release.
People frequently mention how cheap it is because that's one of the good things about it. A $40 game provides a better experience than the $80 slop major companies are shitting out now. Which is why they trained you to scream about it.
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:13:38 PM No.715185168
>>715185040
>People frequently mention how cheap it is
Except not once in this thread prior to me.
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:14:15 PM No.715185225
Bumpan
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:14:26 PM No.715185250
>>715185168
there is a world of discussion outside of this thread anon
Replies: >>715185514
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:14:48 PM No.715185274
>>715185168
Ah damn, you're right, this 117 post long thread is all the discussion there has ever been on E33.
Replies: >>715185514
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:15:42 PM No.715185339
>>715173491
FF doesn't have much of a future then
Replies: >>715185482
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:16:02 PM No.715185362
>>715185168
how was the recovery time from your lobotomy, anon? did you stop shoving crayons up your nose, or were you just doing that for fun?
Replies: >>715185514
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:17:04 PM No.715185449
>>715174318
Sounds better than whatever the fuck FF16 was trying to do
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:17:26 PM No.715185482
>>715185339
7r would have been goty if wh*tes weren't tendie manchildren
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:17:48 PM No.715185514
>>715185250
>>715185274
>>715185362
Concession accepted. Glad we acknowledged the false equivalence, haven't addressed the fact E33 loads of E33 reviews explicitly mention SE and FF. Face it, the game is great, but it's not due to its own merits it blew up.
Replies: >>715185647 >>715186157
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:19:26 PM No.715185647
>>715185514
>haven't addressed the fact E33 loads of E33 reviews explicitly mention SE and FF.
There's nothing to address. People like E33 because it gave us the Final Fantasy experience we've been missing for the past 20 years.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:20:43 PM No.715185750
No turn-based = no buy.
It really is that simple.
Replies: >>715186160
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:25:29 PM No.715186147
>>715170560 (OP)
going back to turn based would be such a massive step backwards after FF7 Rebirth's incredible combat.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:25:33 PM No.715186157
>>715185514
>but not due to its own merits it blew up
yes it did, the whole point of why people like it was because it was a good replacement for the lack of turn based FFs bozo. if it was a bad game nobody would be leaving reviews saying that they want a FF game like it retard
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:25:35 PM No.715186160
>>715185750
Good we need to stop pandering to low iq gamers
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:25:51 PM No.715186192
>>715170560 (OP)
he just said he doesn't know because it'll be decided by whoever directs the next games you dips
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:27:10 PM No.715186332
>>715173969
>And you're delusional if you think people aren't looking forward to Guillaumes next game.
Then why are none of you speaking about it? Why is it always "WAAAAAH, FINAL FANTASY, DO THIS, BE LIKE E33"
It's an indictment on E33, like I said
Replies: >>715186547
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:28:04 PM No.715186425
The current ff problem is they think we like doing busy work, why did fixing the airship need to go on so long? Why couldn't we actually do something interesting like follow Joshua when he was going to meet clive instead of the "oh no that retard got his stuff stolen go get it back" section that did nothing?
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:29:26 PM No.715186547
>>715186332
>it's an indictment on E33 that people liked it and want SE to be like that again
Replies: >>715186695
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:30:29 PM No.715186650
>>715174045
the roman numbering scares away the zoomies too.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:31:14 PM No.715186695
>>715186547
If E33 were that good, you'd be talking about it and not FF.
Replies: >>715186793
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:31:53 PM No.715186747
>>715170560 (OP)
I don't understand why anyone still cares about Square-Enix at all.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:32:24 PM No.715186793
>>715186695
They do talk about it, and how they wish FF was like it again. Are you actually insane?
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:35:14 PM No.715187020
>>715173959
>i have literally never ever seen gameplay discussion of
Have you ever seen gameplay discussion of any game on this board? Because I haven't.
/v/ermins always focus on waifubait and maybe a little bit of the story but never ever talk about the gameplay of any game.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:36:48 PM No.715187162
>>715172926
That's the working blueprint for me right now. It's turn based in that it encourages you to swap characters that all clearly feel distinct from each other and then menuing puts everything in slow-motion so it can be practically turn-based, anyway. Everybody wins. It managed to find a way to bring back ATB and make it work.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:37:15 PM No.715187205
>>715184045
E33 is not the first game to get inspired by the golden age of FF, in fact it's more like the 10000th.
the reason it did well is because it's the first one that actually matched up to Squaresoft.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:38:03 PM No.715187268
>>715170560 (OP)
He's a hack and probably bitter about FF16.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:38:19 PM No.715187290
Bump
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:41:37 PM No.715187545
>>715170726
>>715170747
E33 at the absolute best will be doing remake 1 numbers. Ever since it hit that 3.3 million sold, there's been no signs of strong legs. So leaning on turn-based isn't an viable answer if they're wanting to compete with the heavy hitters of the industry like Capcom, Fromsoft, Rockstar and Nintendo.
Replies: >>715204243
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:42:29 PM No.715187617
>>715174304
Worse games sell better. Most popular game right now on Steam is some shitty gacha game for god's sake. FF simply does not appeal for the younger audience and the boomers are buying and playing less and less games. FF14 is Square's most successful game in years and is all thanks to Asmongoloid.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:44:51 PM No.715187847
>>715170560 (OP)
>YoshiP says there’s “no clear-cut answer” on if future games will return to turn-based
He's basically saying that expedition33 isn't enough proof that people want turn based games.
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:45:39 PM No.715187908
>>715187847
or it's a polite way of him saying he's not going to spill the future plans of the company
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:46:28 PM No.715187974
>>715187847
I think he's more so saying that he has no insight on whether the next FF will be turn-based since he's not directing it.
>>715187908
Or this. Even if he knew y/n, he won't say that because he'd be giving away something he can't talk about.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:46:43 PM No.715187991
>>715170560 (OP)
I think a mix between FF12, Xenoblade and 7R would make a fantastic battle system for FF17.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:48:06 PM No.715188118
>>715174318
FF's tun based is even more simplistic than that. There is only Attack and Heal since status effects and all other forms of strategies have always been non-existent.

Persona already showed us the full extend of turn based combat and it does not get better than that without some kind of gimmick like E33 with parry. It's just too brainless and making it more complex would only drag things down making each fight take longer and making way harder to be able to tell a story. Might as well just go play a Strategy game at that point. Action combat is just so much better and FF7R's combat is already perfection for these kind of games.
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:48:29 PM No.715188143
>>715187908
>not going to spill the future plans of the company
They are becoming skilled at that.
Replies: >>715188379
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:49:42 PM No.715188270
>>715170560 (OP)
Turn based doesn't sell because gamers attention spans have gradually gotten worse over time. There's a bit more than just that, like some RPGs not trying to make the turn based combat anything more than hit weakness, but it's probably the biggest one. People just want games with more action and inputs or super convoluted games that make you go super autism. This doesn't including normie games where it's puddle deep.
Replies: >>715188368
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:50:42 PM No.715188368
>>715188270
>Turn based doesn't sell
E33?
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:50:52 PM No.715188379
>>715188143
I would hope so considering most devs aren't leaking company secrets and projects, but I just your stupid ass think that's some kind conspiracy
Replies: >>715188796
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:52:18 PM No.715188495
>>715188368
That will be very, very fortunate to hit over 10 million sold lifetime (it won't). Square is the business of wanting to compete with Nintendo and Capcom numbers. E33 effort and style won't cut it.
Replies: >>715196535
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:52:35 PM No.715188526
>>715188118
Persona combat is fucking ass where does this retarded shit come from. It doesn't try to do timed inputs, it doesn't try to make moves be tactical or require positioning, it doesn't try to make fights have unique gimmicks for every boss or even enemies to spice it up. You just hit weaknesses or go physical (ranged based on game) and then mug with press turn where you just do more of the same. It's mind numbing even for rpg standards
Replies: >>715188645
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:53:36 PM No.715188621
>>715188368
E33 does a lot to not be like a normal RPG, which is what RPGs have to do to just be able to keep up. Most rpgs don't do the timed inputs or parry shit e33 does.
Replies: >>715188747 >>715189045 >>715196535
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:53:47 PM No.715188645
>>715188526
>>715188118
>>715174318
The point of an RPG is the character building and strategy, not complicated or high input combat. God you fuckers have no fucking idea what an RPG is supposed to be, you need to go the fuck away.
Replies: >>715188926
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:54:49 PM No.715188747
>>715188621
It's just Mario RPG
Replies: >>715189108
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:55:22 PM No.715188796
>>715188379
No? If anything it's hurting them. Their silence is deafening despite having multiple major games in development for what, 7-8 years?
Sometimes it doesn't hurt to say what is going on with your games.
Replies: >>715188921
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:56:38 PM No.715188921
>>715188796
I think it's a good thing that devs aren't pushing for trailer hype cycles that go for almost a decade at a time
Replies: >>715189552
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:56:41 PM No.715188926
>>715188645
>Making arbitrary rules as to what an rpg has to be
How about just fucking both. A video game isn't just a single aspect you like about a genre, it's a multifaceted form of media that relies on a bunch of different parts to shine. If you have a fantastic combat system but horrible character building or lack of strategy, it will suck. If it has amazing character building but the combat is lack luster, it will suck.
Replies: >>715189173
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:58:14 PM No.715189045
>>715188621
>this JRPG is totally different from other JRPGs because it has quick time events! - man who has never played any Mario RPG, Legend of Dragoon or Shadowhearts
lol
Replies: >>715189278
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:58:20 PM No.715189053
>>715188118
FFX perfected turn based combat
you have 3 actives characters with infinite character swaps that don't take up turns. this is encouraged through XP gain.
you have a timeline that is affected by agility + speed affecting abilities during turns.
status effects matter, even and especially in boss fights. blinding bosses that hit hard, casting reflect on bosses that self heal or reflecting their strong spells back to them, then bouncing your own spells off of team mates etc. haste and slow are huge especially in boss fights too.
you have so many ways to customize your party with equipment abilities and equipment crafting.
rikku not only lets you break the game in fun ways but she encourages you to use further systems like the overdrive acquisition system, the steal and bribe system, etc.
overkills let you get more rewards and actually make it worth overkilling enemies for once (it feels like a waste of resources in other games so you just save harder hitting stuff for tough bosses only)
the sphere grid allows you to not only heavily customize your party but also allows you to straight up play the whole game at starting stats which works well because the game has so many ways you can play it that there's always a way to win. like using stone touch on tough opponents or kimahri's blue mage stone breath, etc.
then you got stuff like aeon raising to customize your aeons into long term relevant party members.
the game has a LOT of depth and while not brutally hard or anything, has enough challenge in it to make it satisfying to use everything available to you.
games like FFXIII play faster but are shallow as a puddle in comparison.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:58:26 PM No.715189065
Yoshida seems to have taken all the headspace of people previously obsessed with Nomura
Replies: >>715189327
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:58:36 PM No.715189079
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>>715175020
FF got popular because it told stories and was heavy on narrative at a time when nobody else was doing it. But now FF does nothing that others don't already do better and without taking decades per game.

As for how bad FF has gotten after X people just love to exaggerate. Even FF13 is still better than most Jrpg's. These are just facts. You don't get these production values from any other Jrpg and is not even close. Like there are Jrpg's and then there is FF. That has not changed.

If you hate FF so much because it is so bad then it means you just don't like Jrpg's. It really is that simply. Either that or you have been convinced yourself to hate a series you have never even played. Like what Jrpg's are you even playing that are better than any FF games? All you could muster is maybe Persona 3-4-5 and that is it.
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:58:54 PM No.715189108
>>715188747
And Mario RPG sells. I know you can just say it also sells for being Mario, but I think they would def sell less if they just played like standard rpg fare. So long as it doesn't sacrifice it for depth, it is a net positive as players will have something to do when they select options other than just watching animations play out.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 9:59:33 PM No.715189173
>>715188926
>heh actually words don't mean anything at all chud
Video game genres are a description of GAMEPLAY.
Replies: >>715189386
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 10:00:34 PM No.715189274
>>715189079
>even FF13 is still better than most Jrpg's. These are just facts. You don't get these production values from any other Jrpg and is not even close
I dislike the notion that production values is what makes a game good. FF13 looked for the time and sounded good, but the gameplay was stinky and the pacing and world design were horrible.
Replies: >>715189808
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 10:00:35 PM No.715189278
>>715189045
Anon you can't be this dense. No game at this point is truly unique, it WILL be using at least some ideas from other games. Timed inputs is just appealing when done well regardless of if it's done in other games because it's more than the "norm" people expect from rpgs
Replies: >>715189590
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 10:00:35 PM No.715189281
>>715173829
>final fantasy doesnt feel party based
I can excuse XIV since it's an MMO, but Lightning Returns was one playable character. XV was one playable character until much later when they patched in the option to play as the bros after their dlcs had been released. XVI is one playable character. The last controllable party based game was XIII-2, right?
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 10:00:58 PM No.715189327
>>715189065
So you're saying they just hopped onto something adjacent to air their samey seethe?
Replies: >>715191446
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 10:01:22 PM No.715189370
>>715174146
they're better
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 10:01:37 PM No.715189386
>>715189173
Ok you just want to argue to argue. Just say that in the first place
Replies: >>715189579
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 10:02:00 PM No.715189438
>>715170560 (OP)
Do we even know the director of XVII yet? It's not hitting the shelves until 2038 anyway
Replies: >>715189727
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 10:02:56 PM No.715189515
>>715173979
Too bad no body buys their shit anymore but mmo fags & troons
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 10:03:16 PM No.715189552
>>715188921
Sure but in the case KH4 and DQ12 they really left fans out to dry. Bit of transparency goes a long way when your already announced game takes 5 years to receive any kind of update, but maybe that's just me.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 10:03:37 PM No.715189579
>>715189386
Okay you have no argument. Next time don't open your fucking mouth in the first place.
Replies: >>715189825
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 10:03:45 PM No.715189590
>>715189278
>Timed inputs is just appealing when done well regardless of if it's done in other games because it's more than the "norm" people expect from rpgs
wrong, if this was true Shadow Hearts would've sold gangbusters while FFX would've languished. yet that did not happen. you are being reductive in how games sell and are acting like one form of gameplay design is inherently superior and would lead to more sales, which has not ever been true.
Replies: >>715189971
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 10:05:12 PM No.715189727
>>715189438
it say write ther in the op that its yoshitpiss, retard
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 10:06:07 PM No.715189808
>>715189274
yeah 13 had a godtier soundtrack and beautiful presentation, the combat was okay but overall the game falls short to most of the greats from even as far back as the SNES.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 10:06:19 PM No.715189825
>>715189579
I told you that gameplay and mechanics are intertwined for genres and you basically spat in my face. Shut the fuck up. I don't know where you even come from where your mind can't comprehend that the rpg genre is both a fluid combat system complimented by good character build variety. Eat a dick.
Replies: >>715189994
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 10:08:08 PM No.715189971
>>715189590
It could be possible it sold badly for other reasons. Timed inputs can be badly done or implemented poorly, and even that some people don't care for it. But if the consensus is that standard rpg fair is boring, timed inputs are just a way to add something the player can do.
Replies: >>715190826
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 10:08:23 PM No.715189994
>>715189825
There's no arguing with gameplay strictly equals combat fags
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 10:09:10 PM No.715190070
Turnbased games were intended to be played while eating or doing your homework, but these days people will rather play with their phone. They no longer have a niche.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 10:10:14 PM No.715190162
>>715170726
Expedition 33 is an auteur game by an autism tier director backed by an incredibly passionate team. Last good AAA turn based JRPG Square Enix made was in 2001, more than 20 years ago.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 10:13:47 PM No.715190489
>>715173969
They should just call it Calire Obscure: Title and make it its own thing, so every story is self contained like Final Fantasy. Imagine that, a bunch of frogs humbling square enix
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Anonymous
7/11/2025, 10:14:15 PM No.715190529
i hope timed parries and shit dont become common in jrpgs. mario did it decades ago and while it was fun in both mario and E33, i don't want games like that all the time
Replies: >>715191157
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 10:17:24 PM No.715190813
>>715190489
>Imagine that, a bunch of frogs humbling square enix
I can't wait to rub Yoshitpiss face in this when it happen lol
Replies: >>715190970
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 10:17:37 PM No.715190826
>>715189971
>But if the consensus is that standard rpg fair is boring
that's the thing, I do not believe that this is the consensus. Pokemon still sells and it's by far the most standard fair shit on the planet outside of PvP. BG3 sold, Personas sell, hell even SMTV and Vengeance managed to match P3R in sales. I don't really know where the idea that people don't like regular turn based games stemmed from
Replies: >>715191395
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 10:19:07 PM No.715190970
>>715190813
YoshiP didn't even make a quarter of all the FF titles in the series.
Replies: >>715191663
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 10:21:10 PM No.715191157
>>715190529
Same, it was fun but it negates too many other things. Hp and defensive stats, equipment, status effects all mean nothing when you can just parry every single move and even get a huge damage output for doing so.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 10:23:59 PM No.715191395
>>715190826
Pokemon sells despite everything knowing the gameplay is trash. It's Pokemon, it's got a cult following of people who solely like the idea of collecting their favorite monsters.

Persona sells solely off style and the heavy relationship with the arcanas. Do you even hear anyone praising the combat or even character builds? No, it's talking about the females mostly because that's the draw of persona compared to smt.

This entire topic is about how the standard rpg formula doesn't sell outside these games with cult followings that even now are starting to lose traction I think. I don't really mind standard RPGs but it's moreso the gaming market that seems to think so. Or it could just be devs chasing trends
Replies: >>715191589
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 10:24:26 PM No.715191446
>>715189327
Basically! Guy who's most visibly "in charge of Final Fantasy" right now changed so on to seethe about him
Replies: >>715191738
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 10:26:00 PM No.715191589
>>715191395
>No, it's talking about the females mostly because that's the draw of persona compared to smt.
I think you're mistaking 4chan posts about the waifu war with the broader discussion of the games as a whole. basically every discussion I've seen outside of here about P3R is very specifically about how the game is mechanically compared to P3FES.
Replies: >>715191720
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 10:26:47 PM No.715191663
>>715190970
so? he the one ruining it write now thats the point
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 10:27:20 PM No.715191720
>>715191589
All I know about p3r is that they dumbed down the difficulty and made the reaper show up way later
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 10:27:31 PM No.715191738
>>715191446
To what end? I don't even get it.
Replies: >>715196961
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 10:28:30 PM No.715191851
>>715190489
AFAIK, that's what they were going for. Apparently, "Clair Obscur" part was added fairly late, specifically to establish a franchise.
Replies: >>715192374
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 10:34:29 PM No.715192374
>>715191851
Good. They should be aiming to mogg Faggot Trantasy into oblivion.
Replies: >>715192569
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 10:36:36 PM No.715192569
>>715192374
they won't be doing shit lol
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 10:39:54 PM No.715192835
>>715170560 (OP)
He's not going to come out and say "yeah actually the next mainline FF should be turn-based" when someone else is going to be in charge of that project and may decide otherwise.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 10:40:03 PM No.715192850
another E33 with double the budget and building on an established foundation would be giga based
E33 mogs the fuck out of FF1
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 10:43:59 PM No.715193178
YoshiP will double down on action QTE gameplay and trooning up the story
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 10:53:07 PM No.715194023
>>715173529
Ishikawa still needs to unfuck 14, leave her alone.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 11:04:02 PM No.715195069
So? FF hasn't been TB since IV. Square already makes dozens of TB games every year in the first place.
Replies: >>715195415
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 11:08:06 PM No.715195415
>>715195069
The Golden Age of FF was all turn based
>But LE ATB isn't turn based ACK-SHUALLY
Seethe
Replies: >>715195756 >>715196339
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 11:08:12 PM No.715195423
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aHpH5Ub_700b
md5: 7bc1cb0ee774c26802b922018d08379d🔍
They dropped metaphor for e33 in order to shitpost FF quickly, didn't they?
Replies: >>715195567
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 11:09:48 PM No.715195567
>>715195423
Extremely quickly.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 11:11:58 PM No.715195756
>>715195415
>The Golden Age of FF was all turn based
The first 3 games and X? Four games that came out decades apart is the golden age?
>ATB isn't turn based
Yes. Stupid FFags who don't understand video games will not change reality no matter how much you cry about it.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 11:14:33 PM No.715195969
YoshitPiss shouldn't be asked anything about future FF games
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 11:19:12 PM No.715196339
>>715195415
>turn based
There's only been literally 4TB FF games in the history of the series
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 11:21:18 PM No.715196535
>>715188495
>>715188621
Guess which games didn't reach Square's numbers: FF16 and Rebirth.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 11:26:18 PM No.715196961
>>715191738
Nostalgia is a mental illness and nostalgiababies who refuse to grew up cling to a couple of shitty games they played when they were a kid and obsess over them. They think whoever is the current "head" of FF is the problem getting in the way of what they supposedly want. Basically the jrpg equivalent of Zeldafags.
Replies: >>715198931
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 11:41:00 PM No.715198170
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>>715188118
>Persona already showed us the full extend of turn based combat
You really think that? You really think Persona's the most complex, far-reaching turn based game out there? By any chance, do you only play Triple A games? Do you also think Skyrim combat is complex?
Jesus christ, that just gave me a migraine.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 11:43:13 PM No.715198374
>>715170747
E33 has already outsold FF7R2.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 11:49:03 PM No.715198931
>>715196961
I hope I never get like that.
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 11:51:53 PM No.715199215
I want to play rebirth, do I play on normal or dynamic mode?
I heard dynamic just makes the enemies scale to your level which I think is gay...
Replies: >>715199360
Anonymous
7/11/2025, 11:53:35 PM No.715199360
>>715199215
Dynamic mode. Normal is way too easy and you'll blow up the fights before you even get to experience them.
Replies: >>715199889
Anonymous
7/12/2025, 12:00:33 AM No.715199889
>>715199360
is it easier than remake?
Dynamic sounds cool but won't it make leveling up and progression meaningless?
Replies: >>715200035
Anonymous
7/12/2025, 12:02:26 AM No.715200035
>>715199889
>is it easier than remake?
Yes because if you don't put on dynamic and you go do any of the side activities you'll blow past the intended levels of the main story bosses.
>Dynamic sounds cool but won't it make leveling up and progression meaningless?
It puts more importance on actually setting up your characters correctly since you can't just outlevel the bosses. So it makes materia and gear progression more important.
Replies: >>715200242
Anonymous
7/12/2025, 12:04:53 AM No.715200242
>>715200035
So you can still feel strong?
Replies: >>715200723
Anonymous
7/12/2025, 12:05:19 AM No.715200274
TL note: going back to turn-based now would be admitting that all the dusty retarded dinosaurs in charge were actually horrifically wrong for the last 20 years and would bring much dishonour, so we will keep making the series bad out of spite
Anonymous
7/12/2025, 12:11:26 AM No.715200723
>>715200242
Yeah, it basically just shifts your progression from grinding out levels to instead doing side content to get new weapons and materia to expand your options.
Replies: >>715200985
Anonymous
7/12/2025, 12:14:37 AM No.715200985
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>>715200723
I'm gonna trust you on this one mate
Anonymous
7/12/2025, 12:36:09 AM No.715202683
>>715188118
Another anon mentioned FFXIII was shallow, but I'll at least point out the buff/debuffs were very valid strategies in that game
Anonymous
7/12/2025, 12:50:51 AM No.715203789
Is this the ffxiv thread?
Anonymous
7/12/2025, 12:52:53 AM No.715203920
>>715173545
sure is easier to argue against a strawman nobody was talking about than what was actually being said
Anonymous
7/12/2025, 12:57:11 AM No.715204243
>>715187545
>there's been no signs of strong legs.
hi Barry
Anonymous
7/12/2025, 12:58:07 AM No.715204315
>>715170560 (OP)
menu combat is cringe, they just happen to somehow be even worse at making action games
Anonymous
7/12/2025, 1:00:31 AM No.715204482
>>715173710
Only the turn based pokemon games sell
Shit like Pokken and Snap didn't sell even ten percent of what the worst selling mainline pokemon switch games like BD/SP did
Replies: >>715204765
Anonymous
7/12/2025, 1:02:35 AM No.715204625
>>715170560 (OP)
They dont know wtf they are doing with this game. It tried to be a hack n slash but then its open world with colectathon elements.
This shit should have been a top down turn based JRPG with updated graphics. The fans would have appreciated more.
Right now i am still struggling to finish Rebirth because of the extremely repetitive gameplay loop and pointless open world. Remake was better
Anonymous
7/12/2025, 1:03:12 AM No.715204668
>>715170560 (OP)
At this point I firmly believe he's an industry plant trying to sabotage Square Enix from the inside out.
Anonymous
7/12/2025, 1:03:40 AM No.715204705
flat,750x,075,f-pad,750x1000,f8f8f8
flat,750x,075,f-pad,750x1000,f8f8f8
md5: 4ee210cc59f97736b4e311b5e6ed0529🔍
>>715170747
which game won GOTY 2024?
Replies: >>715204790
Anonymous
7/12/2025, 1:04:24 AM No.715204765
>>715204482
those are completely different types of game you retard, they're not even RPGs
Anonymous
7/12/2025, 1:04:43 AM No.715204790
>>715170747
>>715204705

2023*
Anonymous
7/12/2025, 1:07:24 AM No.715205003
K W A B
K W A B
md5: 34a9ba4bb52bd06bfae12cce44c96d78🔍
>>715173545
>if you can look at these games and conclude the sole reason they sold well is because turn-based
No one said this.
The man quoted in the OP, Naoki Yoshida, said on multiple occasions that turn-based games don't sell and that going full action was done in hopes of gaining more sales.
Everyone but his fans are laughing at his incompetence.
Replies: >>715205682
Anonymous
7/12/2025, 1:09:51 AM No.715205219
>>715173979
They better consult the magic vidya trend 8-ball again
Anonymous
7/12/2025, 1:16:11 AM No.715205682
>>715205003
Is Yoshi P wrong about turn based games not selling or about going full action as the way to gain more sales?
Does expedition 33 prove that turned based games sell or is it something specific to e33?
Replies: >>715205783 >>715206223
Anonymous
7/12/2025, 1:17:27 AM No.715205783
>>715205682
E33 did many things well. Great story and characters
Anonymous
7/12/2025, 1:23:06 AM No.715206223
>>715205682
If square wanted to make other RPGs made to chase trends, that's one thing
But they had an established franchise with a very dedicated fanbase
Square fucked up the moment they decided their current amount of fans wasn't enough, took them for granted and assumed they'd just get hyped and buy literally anything they pumped out, and pursued casuals and newer generation fags
Modern ff fans who were around for square's golden age, and especially those who witnessed that rise in real time should be embarrassed and horrified if they still consider themselves as fans, including everything 12 onward (11 was relatively experimental for the time, and with the exception of 14, didn't become a repeating loop of trying to make things that don't work, work)
Anonymous
7/12/2025, 1:32:26 AM No.715207014
>>715170726
But didn't they drop it because the fans got bored of it?
Anonymous
7/12/2025, 1:34:43 AM No.715207174
I don't own a Switch. How well did the Bravely Default games and all of those world salad 2DHD games sell? Or the Pixel Remasters?
Replies: >>715207779
Anonymous
7/12/2025, 1:34:58 AM No.715207191
>>715170560 (OP)
when they start development for FF17 they will check what the current trend for normies is and try to badly copy it
even if development of the actual game takes so long that it becomes irrelevant by the time the game comes out
Anonymous
7/12/2025, 1:37:03 AM No.715207364
>>715174318
Attack, Attack, Aoe Heal, Aoe Flare every turn is leagues more strategy than mashing X until the stagger gauge fills and you can mash X even harder.
Anonymous
7/12/2025, 1:37:46 AM No.715207420
>>715170726
games take so long to develop now that you won't see a game trying to cash in on e33 from them until 5 years from now and by then tastes could have changed
Anonymous
7/12/2025, 1:42:28 AM No.715207779
>>715207174
I don't follow sales, but even if they didn't hit blockbuster sales, I'm sure they were relatively much more profitable than AAAAA bloat budget modern meme games like 16 and 7reeeee
Anonymous
7/12/2025, 1:43:50 AM No.715207878
>>715170560 (OP)
I wish Yoshipisss future wasn't clear neither
Anonymous
7/12/2025, 1:45:02 AM No.715207987
1719258517878559
1719258517878559
md5: d3fcd31d29e5fd54a5470771bffd4969🔍
>>715170747
>Baldurs Gate 3
>Persona 5, Persona 5 Golden, Persona 5 Golden Remix, Persona 5 Ghost
>Persona 3 remake
>Pokemon
>Expedition 33
Replies: >>715208490 >>715208585
Anonymous
7/12/2025, 1:51:57 AM No.715208490
>>715207987
>Those don't count because I don't want them, and flashy actiony coombat is just better...
BECAUSE IT IS!
Anonymous
7/12/2025, 1:53:05 AM No.715208585
3 (2)
3 (2)
md5: 36b27026bbd73d557eec8ae35ac17c44🔍
>>715207987
P3 remake and metaflop capped out at 2 million. Faglus is a 1 hit wonder studio.
Anonymous
7/12/2025, 1:57:33 AM No.715208902
Why are browns still trying to force an E33/Metafantazio rivalry? It's obvious Meta players finished their game in a few months then moved onto the next turnbased game (E33).
Anonymous
7/12/2025, 2:00:03 AM No.715209108
1741208777507844
1741208777507844
md5: 5c871cac513d6ea6223958f69d7e780f🔍
>>715170747
>Yoshi
Nice one, anon
Anonymous
7/12/2025, 2:03:17 AM No.715209343
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1730164830524
md5: ff1dfc9647b07f6e81bf7288088d70f6🔍
gaped
Replies: >>715210328
Anonymous
7/12/2025, 2:16:09 AM No.715210328
>>715209343
nice unreal engine asset flip slop
featuring veilguard bobbleheads
Anonymous
7/12/2025, 2:23:30 AM No.715210828
1809324789738
1809324789738
md5: ca8df7e0167c5932cfd19665f7edacb2🔍
I genuinely think the industry has something against Square and FF and people will always find a problem with the series.

If Square did the bear sex scene bullshit from BG3 the journalists would have had a fucking aneurysm.
Replies: >>715211021
Anonymous
7/12/2025, 2:26:12 AM No.715211021
>>715210828
>If Square did the bear sex scene bullshit from BG3 the journalists would have had a fucking aneurysm.
Gamers as well.