it's up
https://x.com/Battlefield/status/1943692970106269912

>type out a whole scientific study
why cant they just make a good game

>>715172092 (OP)
>>715172127
>Guys classes are back
>level up for perks
>Literal ultimate abilities
>weapons are still open to all classes
>Stimshots for Assault still in but are also faster than average??
>Making support have to carry both med/ammo crates

What the fuck are they doing how can you BFags defend this? This shit looks so fucking bad and they utterly want the COD crowd.

bahahahahahah holy fuck "We saw the Modern warfare reboot crowd likes this so heres an insta win steroid"

>>715172342
They hired ex Infinity Ward designers for a reason anon. Mostly ones who worked on MW2019 lol.

>>715172342
>>715172454
>We want the cod audience

>>715172092 (OP)
>classes are back
>no class locked weapons and gadgets

>>715172342
>>715172454
Erm wasnt the Assault mostly known for...being the medic or guy with Grenade launchers. I swear this is why I hate BF1, they made one of the greatest "healer" archetypes in gaming not feel weak and they utterly fuck over class balance by now making it the most selfish class ever

>>715172454
>>715172342
Just dont think chuddies, here we made the crates have both ammo and health becasue we thought choice paralysis is bad :)

>>715172342
This way they can pretend to say class matters, it's a class shooter, without actually being a class shooter. I guess some retards will fall for it

me being a MW2019 fag im happy to see we are finally getting the sequel for it

>be EA
>kill dice
>turn bf into cod
>kill series
lol

>>715172342
They saw CoD sells and wanted same numbers, so they were "thinking", that they need to copy CoD.

>>715172454
>Do you remember how bad stim shotting was in the Modern warfare reboot
>Anyway lets make it so it counters fucking everything

>>715172813
>normalfag is excited about his next goyslop product

Shit game

>we hear you but we won't do it
Classic DICE moment

>>715172454
>Increased speed
Okay makes sense
>Resistance to Flash and Stuns
Uh alright?
>Reduced explosive damage
Um?
>Increased foot step noises
Okay now you are just overtuning it

>>715172454
>Okay we will remove the stimshots self healing

Perfect maybe DICE is actually liste-

>Instead it is now changed into a super steroid

>were listening to you but fuck you anways

>>715172127
>2042 specialists again but just renamed "classes"
There's more to the class system than the names, god, I hate the retards that are left at nu-DICE.

>do everything possible to make sure every class can use every gun because pay pigs always want to use cosmetic MTX guns

>>715172609
The assault class was for assaulting, the medic guy is the medic. Hope this helps.

>2025
>BF1 still mogging Battlefield
I love the game but I want a new one, it's been 9 years, I guess we'll never get one. What a shame.

>>715172454
>Stim shot used to self heal making it for selfish people
>They remove it which is good
>They instead make the stim shot EVEN MORE for selfish people

>>715172216
does sniper headshots no revive also count as DMR rifles?

>>715172454
Wolfenstein et bros we are so back. Time to show them dancing medics.

This game is really doing what the original COD 4 did to FPS we live in a fucking repeating timeline

>So we got all this feedback about how people hate it, but uh its not going to change

>>715172813
most camping friendly cod to date that killed cod and he wants more of that zombie corpse to infest other IPs lmao

>>715173815
go back to treyarch cods

>>715172092 (OP)
Dead on arrival.

>>715172454
>Self heal is too selfish!
>Anyway we changed it to basically be the ultimate tool for sweaty kill whores to use

>>715173592
They are the same class. At least in good Battlefield games

>>715172342
I think one of the most embarassing things right now is all the forced crossover skins. I'm surprised Battlefield has yet to do the whole "how do you do kids! Did you know we have some heckin anime, famous hollywood actor/sex trafficker, and 80s/90s cartoon mascot in our game as well??"

>>715173269
>universal understanding
So they believe their playerbase to be retarded?

>2042 didn't fail because of its deviation from the formula bro

>>715174508
I mean battlefield players kind of are

>>715172741
This is way more worse than the stim, you can equip a meta weapon and basically have unlimited ammo and HP on demand now

>>715174626
JustGay

>>715172741
>>715172454
I like how they remove the selfish self healing stim but then make it so its an insta win kill hungry lone wolf option and then trivialize support into having both healing/ammo meaning you can either use the assault to a be rushing spastic or use support with an AR and be a slow kill whore

>>715172127
Has there ever been more of a cope mechanic than this signature weapon crap?
>nonono please don't take extended mag AR for every class look you have 2% higher sprint speed with lmgs than everyone else :^)
How retarded does one need to be to think this shit matters?

>>715176035
They somehow think the current system is going to psyop people into believing that weapons still do "define" classes while also appeasing the retards that want universal guns.

This will not stop meta whores everyone will use the best gun

>>715172092 (OP)
My god they are so retarded
Everything I hear about this game makes me less and less interested

Playing Labs, I was surprised at how much it seems to be emulating COD. The really gray and contrasty color grading in particularly was noteworthy. I thought it was just me until I realized that DICE as a studio has been so gutted and reorganized that now former COD executives are in fact running the company, which apparently is now called something else.

>>715176634
Stop? This is to take off their limiters. Before taking the best gun meant limiting your gadget pool to a single class. Now you can take whatever the meta weapon is and whatever the Youtuber-approved meta gadget set is.
Metawhoring will be 1000x worse in BF6 than any previous BF game.

>>715172224
the study part is easy
they just used a fake paper generator, LLMs make them even easier than before

>>715174626
>killwhoring eceleb complaining about people who want to make it more difficult to be a killwhoring eceleb
I'm shocked

>classes are back
>but you can have whatever weapon you want
Then classes aren't back?

>>715172127
>signature [thing]
Yeah, nah. I know your "code", it's just hero shit re-branded.
Miss me with that shit.

>>715173269
I'm still convinced they're doing it to maintain feature parity with the BR mode (the real main mode) just like in BFV with the scrounging for ammo/squad revives/etc.
The normal multiplayer studio probably wasn't even onboard with it until relatively recently. No human being capable of holding a normal job is autistic enough to make a separate weapon category for the M4 for no reason other than "uhm actually it's a carbine, not an assault rifle."

>>715172092 (OP)
>>715172127
I'm actually getting more mad at how stupid this is the more I think about it. This signature weapon thing applies to Assault and ARs too. They're giving a fucking buff to ARs to incentivize their usage as if ARs aren't already incredibly powerful by nature with their own intrinsic draw. That was the entire point of merging Assault and Medic in BF3 wasn't it? To convince people to play Medic by giving it the weapon that everyone wanted to use? Who was it that thought you needed to convince FPS players to pick an AR instead of an LMG or a DMR or a shotgun? What the fuck are these idiots smoking?

Just played for an hour and seems like i wont be spending my money on battlefield, once again.

*Reminder* DICE made a survey asking if you are a white male when applying to their beta..

/r/battlefield and twitter are pulling themselves apart over this

>>715172092 (OP)
>>715172216
>>715172127
>more of the same shit Battlefield players hated about 2042
Not buying it. Didn't buy 2042 after playing the beta. Didn't buy Hardline. Bought every other BF game.

Real battlefield gameplay died with 2042, enjoy your codfield.

>>715181758
BF3 and 4 were cod copies and were major success

>>715181156
given that the game most likely won't have an official server browser as well I'm feeling less and less guilty about choosing not to buy it
It's almost lockstep with how 2042 turned out, the initial hype was real until more and more details slowly leaked out

>>715181758
Battlefield started to die with BF3. Retards who liked mindless farming in Metro didn't notice.

>>715172092 (OP)
>We value your feedback, let's build Battlefield together!
>Uhmm... Nice feedback but we still won't have a real class system
Battlefield is dead. Wait for what TTK games is cooking.

>>715172454
>so heres an insta win steroid
Battlefield had stims long before CoD desu.

>>715177117
It already was like that in 2042. Every single faggot was using PP29, VHX, RM68, Rorsch etc.

If weapons aren't locked to classes on day 1 the ideal broken loadout will be created and render every other class and weapon combination redundant

>>715182569
Don't forget the notorious SFAR, best AR in the game

>>715182569
What’s the difference between that and everyone using AEK, M16A3 and An-94 in bf3 ?

>>715182787
>didnt make it so you can remove the grenade launcher for some ADS speed or something

>>715182904
Because assault is kill farmer class. When you give kill farmer weapon to other classes they can neither farm, nor do their class job. Every 2042 match has 25+ engineers with ARs. They are neither good at killing other players due to lack of self heals nor killing vehicles because they are too focused on other players. It leads to worse ''PTFO''.

>>715182904
Tanks stopping kill whores

>>715172813
Fuck off marketer.

not playing this slop, it's going to flop, then I'm going to rub /v/s face in it and post steam charts and farm (you)s. I'm going to be insanely insufferable both for this games short lifespan and for a long time after it's closed. fuck nu-DICE and I can't wait for all of them to be in the breadline, this isn't CoD you MTX live service mindbroken niggers.

>>715182904
Those people were stuck with medic gadgets and UGLs. Admittedly a strong set of gadgets which was why it was generally agreed upon that combining assault and medic was OP and shouldn't be done again.

>>715172813
>MW2019
Is that the CoD where they started making footsteps loud as fuck? Not even sprinting, just walking, and you could be heard from a retarded distance away.

>>715182284
This is not some epic own you think it is, BFBC2 is not how shooters are now and with how fast BF6 looks in the beta stages the stim shot is made for spastics

>>715184135
Stims are the last issue in the game desu. No idea why people have an issue with that but not 300 recon spotting perks or explosive spam gadgets assault/engineer has. If you remove stims from assault people will use support for self heals. How is it any better? Assault will be a useless class without self reliance.

>>715184306
Wow its almost....like Battlefield was a game about playing with your team specifically your squad! Shocking!

>>715184306
NTA but I recently played a few matches of BFV a little while ago and the fucking spam of spotting flares from Recon players is hilarious. You're pretty much always on the enemy minimap now.

>>715184450
Battlefield hasn't been teamplay focused since 2142, that was the last game that promoted teamplay, you could still lonewolf it though

>>715184306
Assault is a class about kills and anti infantry or it can be a medic. BF4 let you build to kit to either be fully a combat medic or grenadier of sorts. Both had their flaws either lacking medic shit or lacking proper grenades/under barrels

>>715184306
>If you remove stims from assault people will use support for self heals.
Not if ARs are locked to assault they won't. Weapons and gadgets are supposed to help balance each other.

>Assault will be a useless class without self reliance.
No class is supposed to be self-reliant. That's the point of classes. Which is also why support being support and medic is AIDS.

>>715174508
I think they are trying to say if they go with the classic BF way, new players get pissed they cant use guns they want. If they don't restrict it, old players are pissed that classes are less defined.

>>715184534
Can you BF fanboys stop trying to downplay shit so hard? Really saying 2142? When Squad spawning was still on the leader? When the commander was still the commander?

You could have mentioned BFBC1+2 but wait all the consoletards here defend it with their lives on the line

>>715177997
its just like the rework to BF2042, classes get bonuses for certain weapon categories. you can use a sniper on assault, but its less effective than recon.

>>715184565
Yet you guys praise BF3 and 4, with most self reliant assault who can kill infantry and self heal by themselves. Assault needs stims unless you want to give them med packs which will still make them OP. Stims also rely on med packs too at least in 2042 as assault can only carry 1 before recharging it with another medpack or ammo box.
>>715184665
If I remember correctly 2142 had regenerating hp similar to BC games unlike BF2 which made you rely on medic crates.

>>715184956
However, even 2142, BF3/4 had proper counters even to assault whores. Most classes had limited ammo so they needed a support, tanks would take down most infantry whores, and if anything forcing the medic to be assault helped fill up the medic slots

>>715184956
2142 did not have regen HP was 1:1 to BF2 because it is a half-assed mod.

>>715184956
why do BFshills try to downplay modern BF issues by acting like the old games were bad?

Modern FPS gamers now are super sweats who will min max this new BF to death and the new system makes it easier for them to do it

>>715184956
>you said you like this game therefore you think it's literally perfect with absolutely zero flaws

>>715185353
>why do BFshills try to downplay modern BF issues by acting like the old games were bad?
How is medpen an issue? Assault has 1 or 2 mistake allowances unlike other classes with 1, that's it. There are bigger issues with BF6 than medpen because medpen supposedly comes from le CoD(appeared in BC1 long before any CoD).

battlefield was a fine game until like 1 and beyond but they just refuse to go back to it, would love a remaster collection.

>>715185518
OP is made his BF thread is shitting on this new fucking flop

EA is trying to act like COD now too they just killed need for speed for good now to just support BF

>>715172216
>drone is a field upgrade bonus thing and not just a normal gadget
no one will ever know how comfy it was MAVing around in bf4 and killing people with their own mines

>>715178385
>No human being capable of holding a normal job is autistic enough to make a separate weapon category for the M4 for no reason other than "uhm actually it's a carbine, not an assault rifle."
doesn't bf4 do exactly that? the m16 is a rifle (assault only), the m4 is a carbine (everyone), and the PDW-R is engie exclusive (not an AR, but still uses 5.56mm)

I can't wait for them to ignore literally every complaint or criticism up until jet or helifags moan that someone inconvenienced them from going 129/0 and dice immediately bends over backwards to baby them

>>715176884
It's funny to think how DICE at one point were head to head with COD in the FPS wars, and now have completely lost to COD in the most humiliating way possible.
COD would be just as dead as BF without warzone btw

>>715187519
cant wait for the BR mode!

>>715172092 (OP)
>>715172127
>>715172216
>EA expects 100 million players from this
DICE is doomed good

>>715174508
They want the new BF game to reach 100 million players.

>>715172741
why is BFV still the only one to get resupplies right
attrition was a great idea and only retards complained about it

>>715172813
nigga the devs that worked on this game catered to shitters like you, im just waiting until battlefield starts to talk about safe spaces

>>715186653
BF4 didn't do the same thing and you just explained the difference. Carbines were a meaningful category because they were available to all classes while assault rifles were assault exclusive.
BF6's carbine category is more like BF4 having a separate "bullpup assault rifle" category (still exclusive to assault just like the other assault rifles). Sure, they're ever so slightly different but does it really warrant an entire separate category?
Maybe there's something under the hood that isn't apparent in the leaked gameplay but from the outside looking in it doesn't make any sense when both types of weapon are available to every class.

Reminder that instead of crying about the state of Battlefield, you could just play one of the good games that already exists.


https://www.bf2hub.com/servers
https://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/servers
https://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf4/servers

the realism is what gave bf an edge over cod for me
better audio, realistic uniforms looked like soldiers you saw on tv during the 9/11 wars
it was alot more immersive

now with the excessive animations sanitized de-nationalized unifroms and even the way the clothes all fit too perfectly just looks way too cartoony for a grown ass man to feel anything other than silly playing one of these shit games, bf died after bf3/4
bf1 was passable but literally everything else even as far back as hotline has been pure shit, anyone still excited or even paying much attention to BF now is just a filtred normagroid

sad!

>>715174508
>believe
You can find proof by playing any of the games for ten minutes

>>715188254
Me on the right reposting the same threads over and over again on 4chan for (You)s.

>>715188254
>BF is going to go out the same way halo did
Sad when the killer of an IP is the IP itself

>>715173269
This is what pisses me off more than anything else. They KNOW what fans want, they just won't do it, because they believe the "fans" will buy the game anyway. They are trying to appeal to literally anybody EXCEPT the fans.

>>715188254
you will never have another BF where everyone looks the same other than camo pattern and what goofy emblem they've made and stuck on their shoulder
>that bug in 4 where if you made your custom emblem a certain size it would 'bleed past' the space and turn your whole shirt pink

>>715188005
attrition was stupid fuck off retard

>>715189554
-t. lone wolf

>>715189383

>>715183113
you can use mtar with any class in bf4 which is just as good as most AR's in BF4

>>715189554
People will post shit like this and then cry about the mechanical changes in 2042

>>715189612
durrr u should rely on your room tempature IQ teammates because YOU JUST HAVE TO OKAY!!!

>>715189657
BF4 also has a terrible class system.

>>715189752
Yep, that's part of the design of battlefield. If you take that away then why not just play nuCOD's ground war?

>>715189626
yeah that. so silly but i appreciate that they left it in

>>715189752
Yes. You are the problem.

>>715189908
because i dont want to die to aim assist, killstreaks and one shot snipers?

>>715190021
You have 1 kd

>>715189752
Why not give everyone a rocket launcher, unlimited ammo, and regenerating health then?

>>715190129
KD is irrelevant in these games. You can top the scoreboard by just playing your class properly.

>>715190129
You can top the scoreboard with negative KD by just reviving people.

>It's 2042 but again
I've been saying this since the first leaks, but now I am fully vindicated. Fuck any of you that shit on me for saying the truth.

>>715190231
>>715190357
youre one of those reddit dad gamers that thinks kills dont matter in battlefield hey. lol

>>715190424
>thinks
It's the truth tho

>>715190554
yes you can take objectives just by asking the enemy nicely to give it to you.

>>715190695
I can take an objective with negative KD

People still defend Attrition?
It was a shitty attempt at forcing teamwork, why rely on teammates when you could resupply all by yourself via the crates. Not even the Refractor games gave you small amounts of ammo like that, it was really bad when you consider in mind the fucked up class system BF5 had that heavily favored Assault by giving the class SLRs immune to random recoil and anti-vehicle gadgets
>inb4 but le reserve mag reloads
You only ran out of ammo that quick if you kept spamming reload everytime, you still had plenty of ammo.

>>715190695
They're obviously talking about people who go for kills over playing the objective, shit-for-brains. If you want to LARP as Rambo there's a whole Duty that's Calling your faggot ass.

>>715190695
I always used to play medic and be 1st by purely reviving

>>715172092 (OP)
so basically
>we heard community feedback and we're ignoring all of it

>>715191406
Don't you remember BFV? Battlefield isn't for you anymore, it's for everyone :^)

>>715191343
someone getting bunch of kills contributes way more to the team than a retard with negative kd always dying trying to capture the objective.

>>715191527
t. 10000 kills with UCAV

>>715183260
Schizo retard

>>715191343
>They're obviously talking about people who go for kills over playing the objective
Not that anon but kills/deaths are part of the objective in Conquest, you spend a ticket in order to respawn, and the more you kill enemies, the more they're forced to spend tickets.

>>715172092 (OP)
I'm not clicking your Xwitternigger link shill OP but does this mean Operators got shitcanned? Not playing it otherwise

>>715193094
they are still in the game

>>715191527
The person reviving all his teammates on the objective literally makes the person farming kills completely irrelevant

>>715192927
Kills are counted when you put the enemy down, but deaths and tickets aren't counted until they respawn. This is why medic's reviving is FAR more important than farming kills, and why KD doesn't matter. Having a good KD is not an indicator of being good at the game.

>>715193205

>>715172092 (OP)
Just want to say I appreciate you posting the link instead of a screenshot like the other mouth breathers on this site.

>>715189236
I simply shan't buy it.

>>715172127
>>715172216
they didn't learn fucking anything

>>715192927
No one is saying not to kill people. They're saying KD is not an indicator of how well you're doing. Bush wookies and hill niggers always have great KD ratios, but never contribute shit. Anti-vehicle monkeys and pacifist medics will have shit KD, but actually impact the outcome of the match.

>>715173269
>>715189236
and the PRspeak is fucking offensive too
>you're not smart enough to get it

>>715187829
EA expects 100 million players on their F2P Shartzone clone that will serve as an entry point for players to buy BF6 and microtransactions. Still very retarded, but let's be clear on the retardation.

>>715194308
>Kills are counted when you put the enemy down, but deaths and tickets aren't counted until they respawn
You're reiterating my point which shows that KD does matter in Battlefield, even revives emphasize or reinforce that point as well which is why killing Medics also matter.

>>715172127
I have issues with tie signature weapons trait.
Clearly it's supposed to influence players to use weapons that is catered towards your class.
The thing is the perks aren't really that good, and I don't see it being much of a factor in weapon choice.
And on the flipside, if they did make them significant perks, it would make other "classless" weapons pointless. i.e. Carbines, DMRs, Shotguns.
I think they should do a horseshoe method, where their signature class gets a perk, and the opposite gets a nerf.
So like an engi would get a perk with SMGs, and a nerf with Sniper. Then everything else in between would get some sort of lesser nerf/perk.

>>715173269
DICE clearly has analytics that would make them do otherwise.
Players often cry about systems they "want" then never use.
The biggest one being voice chat in 2042. Players wouldn't stfu about voice chat, and literally no one uses it.
So many resources went into voice chat that just got pissed into the air.

>>715188254
Holy shit I'm so glad I'm not actually retarded.

>>715195519
You are conveniently ignoring my point. Your KD ratio doesn't mean shit. Someone who kills 5 people in one life, but 4 of them got revived contributed EXACTLY as much to the match as someone who killed one person in their life that didn't get revived, despite having 5 times the KD. And the medic contributed 4 times as much despite not killing ANYONE since he saved his team 4 tickets.

Like I said, KD doesn't fucking matter.

>>715196021
Or just assign weapon types to classes.

>>715172127
>>715172216
JUST HAVE THE 4 BASE FUCKING CLASSES. ITS THAT SIMPLE. NONE OF THIS ZOOMER SPECIAL SNOWFLAKE BULLSHIT FUCK.

Lots of people complaining in this thread but I bet you'll still buy it.

>>715197361
didn't buy 1
didn't buy 5
didn't buy 2042
won't buy 6 at this rate

>>715193094
You will have your $20 OC operaters with their kawaii uguu anime skins in every fps and you will like them. Remember to thank epic games everyday for saving the shooter genre with fortnite, so now every shooter has to be like fortnite :)

Hot take incoming

They should bring back the "Rifleman" class. He doesn't get any abilities or equipment, but he's the only one that can equip assault rifles.

>>715197429
>boughted 4 after the turd that was 3

>>715198258
>boughted 2 after the turd that was Vietnam
We might as well get on with the gay sex instead of just swinging our dicks

of course the pajeet doesn't like 3/4

>>715195131
obama mask painted green

>>715172127
>Assault & Assault Rifles - Using an Assault Rifle with this Class will result in faster transitions from sprint to shoot and switching between Assault Rifles and other weapons.
This is strong and somewhat related to an AR's primary function.

>Engineer & Sub Machine Guns - You’ll benefit from improved hip-fire control when using SMG’s.
This is strong and directly related to an SMG's primary function.

>Support & Light Machine Guns - They will not suffer from sprint speed penalties like other Classes would if they were to use the same weapon.
This is weak and unrelated to an LMG's primary function.

>Recon & Sniper Rifles - Scope sway will be decreased, and the ability to stabilize your aim by holding your breath improves with the use of Sniper Rifles. Being highly proficient with Sniper Rifles will allow for Recon to be faster at rechambering between shots too!
This is strong and directly related to a Sniper Rifle's primary function.

>LMGs
Why not, I don't know, RELOAD SPEED.
>b-but then LMGs might be too strong!
Do these fags have any idea how strong other weapons are going to have to be made to compete with all-class ARs? ARs with drum magazines and extended barrels no less.

Damn, they really hate money, uh?

>>715196665
I'm not "conveniently ignoring" but your overall understanding of revives somehow makes KD less important which is not true at all, if anything it highlights that kills and deaths do actually matter, when you're reviving someone, particularly a good player, you're not just denying ticket loss you're also giving him an opportunity to kill more people as well and don't even get me started on vehicles whores being influential on a round. Your point and scenario would've probably made more sense in a game with a much more smaller environment than BF, but in BF you have 64 players fighting each other where the number of kills will always far exceed the amount of revives in a single round.

>>715197574
And make it a faceless goon, would run that shit 24/7

>Halo is shit and dead
>CoD has always been shit, its just a special type of fortnite shit now
>Unreal tournament is dead
>Doom became a single player zoomer combo game
>Quake is dead
>Medal of Honor is dead
>no other company is even trying to make a decent arcade shooter or military fps
>battlefield following CoD's decline
I'm in my 40s and just want a comfy online military shooter to play when I get home from my job. Is one decent game that much to ask? It doesn't even have to be a 10/10. Just a decent, fun, military shooter where I can destroy buildings with a tank.

Hell, at this point even making it like insurgency with points and stuff would be better than whatever the fuck this is

Refute his argument.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=se2xa3-Yj6s

>>715172609
>>715173592
in BF2 BC2 and BF1 they were separate but afterwards they were merged into one from BF3 onwards
>>715174626
>>715175258
>AI monkies have bad opinions
color me shocked

>>715201093
>silenced Mtar sniper fag in your spawn, constantly respawning at beacon
picrel
giving every class Carbines and DMR was the worst thing in any bf that I played,
followed closely by active radar and active protection

>>715184306
assault is fine as the resupply dude like in BC2. If you give him the easiest to use, broadest weapon type (Assault RIfles) a ton of people will play him, limit his spare maagzines to about 2 or 3 and now you have a ton of resupply boxes on the ground for teammates to resupply from while cutting out the issue of spamming "need ammo" and having your jackass teammate not do anything

why do battlefags like having their weapon choice arbitrarily restricted to a class

>>715200208
just play the older games ya lazy faggot
>oh boo hoo these games are dead
no they aren't just go find communities who play them
half the BF games are still very much alive, I just played BF2 this morning

>>715201093
>>715202198
It is a class-based SHOOTER, you will spend 90% of the time with your primary weapon, not your gadget like in Squad, so WEAPONS must define classes and how they play

>>715172741
>anon writes chud
>anon gets multiple (you's)
Why is the meta this simple? When are the devs fixing /v/? its too easy.

>>715202295
You're the reason this game is so fucking awful to play.

>Play engineer
>Focus on his primary weapon while vehicles farm his whole team

400m fucking lock on range and none of you can utilize soflam designations

>>715202198
helps balance out the other gadgets and aspects of the class ALTHOUGH the amount of limiting that some anons want is borderline stupid, especially when DICE makes maps so open that they get dominated by a team of entirely recons

>>715199396
You are still ignoring my point, but now I believe you are not doing it on purpose, because I think you've come off the track of the original conversation.

>when you're reviving someone, particularly a good player, you're not just denying ticket loss you're also giving him an opportunity to kill more people as well

This is my point. The medic got no kills in this scenario. Did he do bad? Is he bad at the game? Had he no influence on the match because of his low KD? The entire team did better because he was there.

>vehicles whores being influential on a round.
If one dude camps the AA gun and completely shuts down the enemy teams aircraft, did he do bad because his KD was negative? Say someone C4's his truck and rams and enemy tank, killing him and the tank. Is he bad at the game cause his KD is 1, but the sniper at the top of the scoreboard has a 25 KD, but has been sitting on the same rooftop for the entire match?

Obviously, ALL OTHER THINGS THE SAME, a higher KD is better than a lower one. But for that to be important, you will have removed everything that makes Battlefield different from CoD.

Battlefield is a team game. The original dude bitching about having to rely on his teammates was throwing around the "LOL UR 1KD" insult as if that invalidated my points. So I will say it one more time. KD doesn't fucking matter.

>>715201093
I don't have to, his thumbnail already refutes him lol

>>715202534
>we shouldnt have proper classes to ballance shit maps
how about we ask for good maps instead

>>715202473
>lock on
>soflam designations
pride month is over, use RPG.
>>715202534
so, they must make good maps. Unrealistic and brutal expectation, but they must do it

>>715172216
Oooof, they're making hillchavs even more cancerous. Pathfinder looks fun tho.

>>715202198
Because that is what holds arcade shooters together. Its the glue that balances the game.

>>715202747
man, Bazaar 16v16 and 32v32 are two entirely different maps

>>715172813
II and III don't count?

>>715184306
Explosives are a fucking non-issue for a combined warfare game with vehicles and buildings/cover you blow up, retard. Some kid being able to jumppronespinspaz with something like an aek and get instagib kills on anyone within 90 meters.

>>715202918
>64 rush bazaar
>nonstop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YO6ABgapRzI&t=161s
I thought it was hell, but it was heaven

>>715202747
you just posted one of the maps that has terrible recon dominated sightlines
>>715202768
>so, they must make good maps. Unrealistic and brutal expectation, but they must do it

its easier just to restrict the sniper classes or give every class 1 dmr option like in BC2, maps will always have some fuck huge sightline that at some point people will have to fight over, having a terrible time fighting over that part of the map because you picked a class like engineer who arbitrarily has no ranged weapons sucks and doesn't add to the gameplay. You can still have classes that excel at specific ranges/situations but adding weapons for other classes that at least gives them a fighting chance isn't a terrible change

>>715203086
There are only two places where recons have advantage, building overlooking C and then identical building overlooking A

>>715203086
>sightlines
skill issue, picrel
meanwhile on 4 maps and later these wont help you either with all the mountain and highrise campers.

>>715172813
based cod bro

>>715173765
>sells a gorillion copies and makes a bajillion dollars from warzone
yeah, I wonder why everyone wants to copy it

>>715172216
So pathfinder is the retarded down syndrome version of the sniper.

>>715186228
So fun to detonate enemy at mines on their own tanks and shit

>>715172092 (OP)
Any news about the campaign?

>>715203309
>There are only two places where recons have advantage
there are two side streets on either side of the map with huge sightlines, the middle ally with a huge sightline and the places you mentioned overlooking the spawns as well
>>715203403
>with all the mountain and highrise campers.
BF3 has that too, especially in the DLC's
snipers shouldn't be as prevalent as they are, when the other classes are all designed around medium to close range combat, its unfun and annoying and terrible to balance around. If they must be ket in everyone should have access to a decent long range weapon then, but Battlefield should follow the trend of BF2 with limited sniper slots

>>715201093
Every time this argument is made it comes from the same type of person: a tryhard streamer with 4+ K/D that needs medkit to farm noobs all game, and is mad he's not allowed to use weapons from other classes for variety.
This dude just chose a bunch of weak arguments to refute at the start (yes, all your refutations were correct, good job loser), then instead of presenting a real case for this change he just went
>I want to farm noobs with other weapons too
Then suck it up and pick the other classes
>but my K/D will go down
What a complete waste of time

>>715203984
>but bf3 too
I said we should have good maps and showed a good map
you said its bad and now you are goalpoasting.
for all I care they can remove jets and snipers, but they wont.

>>715196127
>many resources
>all old mp games had it as a basic bitch feature as simple as walking forward
I dont think you are getting paid enough to say this nonsense.

>>715172092 (OP)
>2015 - Battlefield Hardline
>2016 - Battlefield 1
>2018 - Battlefield V
>2021 - Battlefield 2042
>2025/2026 - Battlefield 6
So in the past 10 years, they have had ONE game where they listened to a tiny bit of feedback(BF1) and for the rest of them, they literally have had a "fuck the players, we know best" attitude every time where they ignored all feedback, even when the entire fanbase were on the same page about something.

As someone who has played since 1942, I genuinely think that this might be the end of the Battlefield franchise. They are gonna completely fuck up the normal MP and they will also completely fuck up the BR mode. There's no way they will recoup any of their costs, considering they just said they expect 100 million players.

>>715203827
It's in development hell by another studio

>>715204362
>and showed a good map
you didnt really state that you were showing the map in that webm as an example, yeah no shit a building interior is gonna be a fuck huge sightline but Damavand DOES have big sightlines, in that very area mind you
My whole point is that snipers are always gonna be a problem so the solution is to either limit them (DICE would never do that because the 4 class limit is a religion at this point) or give players good means to deal with snipers (easy solution is the DMR weapon archetype).
Never said bf4 doesn't have problems with bigass sightlines but at least in that game if I need to play a class to deal with a problem my shitter team isn't making up for, I can equip a weapon to help me deal with a team stack of recon players

i'd love for good maps without big sightlines or less issues in general but asking dice for good maps in current year is futile, just look at 2042

>>715203984
>there are two side streets on either side of the map with huge sightlines
both have more than enough cover in form of rubble, destroyed buses, etc + rain greatly obscures vibility + the map isn't 100% flat, it has slight bulge
>especially DLCs
no one smart plays Armored Kill as infantry
End Game works much better in its intended gamemode, CTF. In Conquest it literally BF4 but without DMRs and guided-missiles spam

>>715204907
>is gonna be a fuck huge sightline
*isn't gonna be

>>715204907
>sightlines, snipers, sightlines, sightlines, snipers, sightlines
um, run from cover to cover, or something?

>>715204907
>You didnt sate that you were showing a map >>715202747
I never mentioned damavand and showed a gif with me using smokes to counter a sniper and I got lucky and blew him up.
>fluff
yes, asking any dev for any kind of quality is fiction atm
which is why we are talking about the game we want and not the one we are getting...

>>715202696
>The medic got no kills in this scenario
He's clearly not doing enough because relying on revives only isn't good enough, killing and reviving both does more to help and would arguably be influence the round more than just reviving especially a 64 player environment.
>If one dude camps the AA gun and completely shuts down the enemy teams aircraft, did he do bad because his KD was negative?
It implies that the people flying the aircraft aren't competent or skilled enough to fly them unlike the AA user, if anything the AA gunner in that scenario would've probably had more kills than the said people flying the aircraft.
>Say someone C4's his truck and rams and enemy tank, killing him and the tank. Is he bad at the game cause his KD is 1, but the sniper at the top of the scoreboard has a 25 KD, but has been sitting on the same rooftop for the entire match?
Perhaps the driver is also just as bad or maybe he's competent but he screwed up, and assuming the latter scenario he could easily respawn and continue the farm, camping snipers in BF aren't usually on the top of the scoreboard nor they would have that amount of kills that often therefore they're not really contributing anything, if anything rooftops snipers have always been sitting ducks and free kills for better players especially aircraft users.
KD can still matter even in a team game like Battlefield.

>>715204979
>it has slight bulge
it does have that bulge but I always find myself having to deal with headglitched players there regardless
>no one smart plays Armored Kill as infantry
while true, its pretty asinine to expect players to just discount playing as other classes to substitute it entirely for vehicle play
>End Game works much better in its intended gamemode, CTF
i wish people sitll played the off modes, you really cant find anything these days outside of maybe rush if you're lucky
>>715205335
>I never mentioned damavand
the map in the webm is Damavand on Rush no? It looks like obj after you do the base jump
>about the game we want
yeah thats fair, I was approaching from a more realistic perspective, although I suppose asking dice to make good decisions is fantasy in its own right

>>715172092 (OP)
I've read somewhere that they poured $400m into the next BF and they expect 100m players to break even their costs. I wish them good luck lmao

>>715205563
>but thats the map in the gif
this is the map I called good>>715202747
>>715202747
and this is how you brainlet can counter snipers>>715203403
>>715203403


I have a video somewhere of me killed snipers on bazar with smoke tube only and I cant fkn find it...

>>715204392
It took months for voice chat to come after they announced they were putting it in.

>>715205779
>it takes soo long, so they were hard at work and not busy making microtransactions
Halo Infinite's campaign co-op mode has been delayed. Originally intended to be released with the game in late 2021, it was then pushed back to Season 2, which begins May 3, 2022,. However, 343 Industries later announced that co-op would be further delayed and would not be available at the start of Season 2. They are aiming to release it later in Season 2, but a specific date has not been announced

>>715175258
>dlc maps
Yeah man i cant wait to pay 20 dollars for two maps, you brown fucking gorilla.

>>715205563
>while true, its pretty asinine to expect players to just discount playing as other classes to substitute it entirely for vehicle play
It's just for me BF isn't 32v32, it's 5v5, 3v5, 6v7. These numbers are the players with actual brains and skill while others are just means to boost KD

Also managed to play sabalan pipeline and riverside in CTF a few weeks ago on 4players #3, admin changes maps and modes rotation every week

>>715205487
I was wrong, you are ignoring my point on purpose. You explicitly chose not to answer whether any of those players with low KDs actually did bad in that game.

>>715172092 (OP)
wow it's total shit! How could that happen?!

>>715205690
No, EA expects 100m players, DICE doesn't.
But DICE also knows what EA likes to do to famous studios who underperform.

>>715175470
He sounds like one of those "JUST LET PEOPLE HAVE FUN" faggots. You're playing the wrong goddamned game if you need weapons unlocked and custom classes. Go be a CoD shitter.

>>715208618
this

>>715207069
>You explicitly chose not to answer whether any of those players with low KDs actually did bad in that game
I did, you keep jumping from a hypothetical scenario to another that aren't really reflective of the what actually happens in these games nor they reinforce your point.
Kills and deaths have always mattered in Battlefield, particularly with the ticket system. If you fail to see that then I'm sorry but it's a skill issue.

>>715208865
>I did
No, you didn't. I'll simplify the question and make it one very specific scenario. If a medic ends the game with 5 kills, 10 deaths, 15 objective captures, and 60 revives, did he do bad? Yes or no.

>>715209520
Yes he did, he should be competent at killing enemy players as well and removing hostile forces instead of being a glorified revive bot.

>>715210241
Wrong, now you just look desperate.

>>715172092 (OP)
isn't delta force already just cod battlefield?

>>715210379
it's shit with fake online

>>715172092 (OP)
>>715172127
>>715172216
what is it about this that they dont want to go back to?

>>715172127
>Traits
Battlefield is still dead then, cool. Back to vidya made with actual passion I go; haven't bought a title since 4 back when I first built a rig with a 1070 in it.

>>715210369
Nah keep coping with how your helping with you 5 kills and reviving teammates that die 5 seconds later anyways lmao

>>715210669
Honest question, why don't you just play CoD?

>>715210504
fake online? how so? I quit because it was just running around getting oneshot by sniping chinks all day.

BF is ea knowing it can't compete with milisims and the superior and lowest-priced BF clones. Now they want the normie crowd

>>715210881
>Now

>>715210734
Why should I? I like Battlefield and being an effective infrantry player has always been a key component of a teams chances of success. Now tell me, who would win in a 64v64 conquest game, a team full of highly skilled players or a team full of NPC revive bots?

>>715172609
What? BF1 had the balanced medic, the medics only had semi-autos. In BF3/4/5 the medic was borked and overpowered because they also got automatic weapons.

Can I play as a hot bitch operator?

I'm talking like mask, too, not visible face. That's gay. I want a kino gas mask or something like that - half the face at most visible, whether it's just the lips, or just the eyes. No combination of the two.

>>715211131
>BFV Medic
>Overpowered
Nigga you didn't play V.

>>715211131
>bf1 balanced medic
So well balanced, nobody revives you in 4 or 1 since no one plays medic/has defibs.

I'd rather have an OP medic that does revive.

>>715211131
t. shitter
BF1 medic had the single best weapon in the game, you fags don't know how overpowered it was because the average pleb was too scared to use it and you never encountered it

>>715210734
he wont admit this but
cod is dying, and fps games in general are taking a hit. fortnite went from having millions upon millions of players concurrently to a little over a million since last year. and you know if fortnites seeing lower numbers then the other games definitely are too.

theres not even 1 BFV NA tactical conquest server on a friday evening???

yikes..

>>715211780
Are you talking about the Model 8? The Model 8 is only OP if you're already a top 0.X% player anyway since it's a 3 shot kill with a 5 shot mag. Almost no one has accuracy high enough to use the Model 8 effectively.

>>715212254
RSC 1917 was a two shot kill gun and it was a medic gun

>>715209520
>60 revives
Yeah I'll take, "things that never happened" for $600.
He did play bad, Medics are usually equipped with the best or most versatile guns in the game so why didn't he utilize them alongside the paddles? having to stat pad revives all the time isn't gonna work when your team is full of retards that can't kill. You're playing with 32 people against 32, you won't be able to revive everyone all the time, you're not playing Mercy in Overwatch.

>>715210536
can't monetize it as well

>>715212336
The rate of fire wasn't high enough to make it OP, and even then, you had to fire it slower than the max rate of fire because the cone of fire bloomed too much per shot. The RSC was master of mid range combat for people with higher than average accuracy, but is beat out by other options farther out and closer in unless you got the drop on them.

If Bf3 had nerfed the shit out of the M16A3, like they did with the FAMAS, the complaints about AR/OP Medic would have almost vanished.
It's the most used and entierly broken, but atleast no longer bugged broken, gun in the game.

>>715172092 (OP)
>>715172127
>>715172216
Why should I upgrade my PC to run all these new games when they're all shit

>>715212575
well you forget how good sidearms are in BF1, so it not being as good in close range doesn't really matter. RSC is a bullshit gun

>>715212735
It's really not, it just has a niche it fills very well. You shouldn't lose to it close up unless your opponent is skilled or you're retarded.

>>715211092
Every post you make just further proves you are avoiding my point. Nobody said getting kills is unimportant. KD is unimportant.

If every kill on the scoreboard guaranteed a ticket loss, then your point would hold water. Not much, your 50 kills would contribute less than a percent to the overall ticket loss, but you contributed.

A team of skilled players would lose against a team of medic bots if the medics played the objective and the other team didn't, regardless of the KD. That is my point. You keep trying to skirt around it.

>>715212254
Yes I'm talking about the model 8, and you absolutely don't have to be top 0.X% to pubstomp with it, literally anyone with average K/D above 2 can do it after a couple days of practice
It also had absolutely no recoil or spread making it much easier to hit all your shots than any of the "easy" DMRs. Also the amount of times I'd accidentally get a 2 hit kill from a headshot is insane.
If you're at least an intermediate player, the gun is literally easier to use than something like cei-rigotti. It's just strictly superior unless you can't reliably kill a target with 5 shots, and if not, wtf are you even doing

>>715212438
but even then its not out of the realm of possibility to add customization to classes.
I'm sure a lot of people would like to equip different ballistic masks, gas masks, balaclavas, eyewear, helmets, vests, rigs, plating, backpacks, cameos, emblems, insignias

ultimately the operators are a really lazy copout to selling vanity.

>>715172092 (OP)
Did they fix the gunplay yet? Because the playtests were unplayable and I'm never going to care unless they actually fix that

>>715213810
Yeah but the Cei-rigotti is actually just mid/bad anyway. Most people are better off with the Mondragon because the clip size is more forgiving while still having a faster fire rate than the Selbslader.

>>715212384
lol 60 is on the low end

>>715212384
>you won't be able to revive everyone all the time
you'd be surprised just how much you can spam revives depending on the map, metro is especially retarded

>>715172342
>This shit looks so fucking bad and they utterly want the COD crowd
>>715172537
>>715173029
Thats been ever battlefield game for almost 20 years now you fucking faggots. Battlefield 2 was the last real battlefield game. For you faggots who didnt play it it had 7 classes, squads were 6 person sized and you could only spawn on the squad leader not everyone in the squad

>>715214331
disappointing how BF2 is somehow still the highlight of design in the series, and that game plays terribly
we could've had Bad Company and other spinoffs be the "cod but with hella players" sit alongside mainline BF games which could've focused on that arcade combined arms gameplay we saw in the Refractor games

>>715213967
It's literally easier for a shitter to dump 5 rounds with model 8, hit 3 of them and get a kill, than score 3 hits in a row with the Mondragon. It's much easier to win engagements with that thing because its TTK is so good it compensates for user error. You'd have to be an extreme pleb to pick a slow DMR over it, 1 miss = you're guaranteed to lose the engagement because the TTK is so bad
There's just 1 thing you HAVE to learn with model 8, and that's ammo management, every other aspect of the gun is extremely shitter friendly
Cei-rigotti > Mondragon btw

>>715172092 (OP)
Sometimes I miss battlefield, and feel like playing it some more.
But the days of funny vehicle physics and classes that aren't pulled from hero shooters appear to be gone forever.

What a shame

>>715213743
>Nobody said getting kills is unimportant
>KD is unimportant
What a way contradict yourself. I'm sure playing this revive cuck minigame or your other schizo scenarios will work in your headcanon.
Christ this post reeks of r/Battlefield autism.

I genuinely think Battlefield's attempt to 'force' teamplay through class roles has failed because the games don't use the holy trinity and aren't arcadey enough to plausibly get away with using it. The holy trinity mechanically forces people to co-operate, you don't have a choice. If they're not willing to tone down the realism enough to go that route, then I think classes need to be abandoned in favor of totally flexible but very limited kit loadouts (ie you can have any gadget you want, but you can only have one; you can have any gun you want, but only one; etc) and let success be determined by people organically deciding to co-operate by creating squads with mutually supporting kits to dunk on lone wolves. It needs to be a cultural thing among the playerbase rather than something they half-assedly try to enforce with mechanics.

>>715214582
the systems and design make bf2 great, even if yeah the gun accuracy and gunplay in general sucks. the BF2 commander screen is more feature rich just by itself than any modern BF game

>>715205779
It took months for them to put a fucking scoreboard in because they're just fucking incompetent.

>>715212582
They did. The nerfed the M16A3 multiple times and buffed the M416 over and over until the M416 eclipsed the M16A3.

>>715196127
>DICE clearly has analytics that would make them do otherwise.
They already said this about some other stupid change in the past. I can't remember what it was now off the top of my head, but they said they had "analytics" that said people did X which supports their decision to do Y and it was total bullshit and they wrong about that too.

>>715216754
You are retarded and don't know shit.

>>715217665
It was about voice chat and they were right.

>>715217062
>the systems and design make bf2 great, even if yeah the gun accuracy and gunplay in general sucks
i think it goes beyond gunplay imo, movement feels bad in general and the non strafing sprint (sprint also having to recharge is annoying although I get why its a feature, still dont like it though)

>>715216754
>It needs to be a cultural thing among the playerbase rather than something they half-assedly try to enforce with mechanics
this is the real reason we have team work, for all that even BF2 did to encourage teammates to rely on each other you still had people who wouldn't cooperate and force you to suffer just for relying on other players. I think theres a middle ground though when it comes to the restricted class system that uses player's natural behavior to force cooperation (a player needing to heal and dropping a med bag leaves that bag for other non medic players to use for instance)

im curious what you mean by the holy trinity though, what would this less realistic style look like to you?

>>715222109
The holy trinity of class gameplay: tank, dps, healer. The tank tries to absorb all enemy attacks, the dps deals out most of the damage, the healer keeps everyone alive. If anyone doesn't do their job, everyone dies because they literally can't do each other's jobs.

In battlefield this would be ridiculous mainly because it's impossible to make a tank that even looks realistic because being able to take rockets to the face without dying is just absurd.

i miss BF1942 and Vietnam so much, bros.

>>715222569
>In battlefield this would be ridiculous mainly because it's impossible to make a tank that even looks realistic because being able to take rockets to the face without dying is just absurd.
ah yeah I see
I think theres some merit to the idea of allowing of the flexible kit idea, althoug hti does just make me think of BF4 where you could have any primary (sans the four class specific ones but there were others that blurred the lines a lot) but restricted the equipment. That game though allowed for two slots, it does make me wonder if it'd be better with 1 or just more annoying than anything

>>715216754
The easiest way to make teamplay work is to make it the only way to be "good". As in if you want to be top of the scoreboard you'd need to do teamwork shit. All team play should be incentivized with massive score and xp boosts. Make all teamplay things give way more points then anything else. Revives more then kills, captures more then quad kills. A shitter that captures points with a 0.1 KD should be higher on the scoreboard then a 4.0 KD fag that does nothing but get kills. Its nice to help people sure but most of the time people are doing it for their own gain, to complete challenges and to get xp for the dopamine rush.

The issue is the games will never do this because it means kicking the autistic twitch shooters that want to go on huge killstreaks down. Like every time planes get nerfed they'll whine and moan that they can't play their (incorrect) way and the devs will kneel to them.
In 2042 you got like 5 points for a health in total, where as most BF games before it you got points equal to the amount of healing you did. In my eyes that shows they don't value healing team mates more then kills and it gets worse every game.

>>715202198
Classes are supposed to be different. A class meant to blow up vehicles and repair friendly vehicles isn't supposed to be rolling around with a sniper or dmr. A recon or sniper isn't meant to be running around with smgs. It's a mixed warfare game, not babby's first team deathmatch. There are roles meant to be played.

>>715201093
His argument is based on a fundamental misunderstanding of the purpose and flow of a large scale shooter like Battlefield. The purpose of differentiated weapons isn't just variety, and it isn't just to give you a strength. It's to force players to have meaningful weaknesses, alongside accompanying strengths. When you have both real weaknesses and strengths, the real game comes from putting yourself in situations where your strengths are present and your weaknesses aren't. It's simple Art Of War shit, at the end of the day.
This chucklefuck says "you have to engage a target regardless of the cicumstance", but doesn't make the next logical leap that it is a PREEMPTIVE necessity to be in a situation where your engagements are optimal.
And yes, forcing players of different classes to be good in specific types of engagements forces teamplay and variety. You can see it in his own arguments; he supports the need for a generalized all-rounder weapon because you need to engage regardless of the circumstance. Ergo, everyone will take a fucking Assault Rifle because of course they will.
Real variety comes from a lot of players doing meaningfully different things, not from the ability to pick whichever gun you want. Real variety is more important than the individual's choice of which point-and-clicker they want.

>>715224214
You're not entirely wrong but I have to bring this up because it's a pet peeve of mine. Recon is NOT just "sniper". Recon is an umbrella for the sniper and special forces classes. Special Forces' class weapon is the CARBINE, which recon should always have access to.

>>715216754
The problem is that at half of the classes are doing too many things in every game. If they bumped it back up to five or six classes, boxed them into specific roles, and properly rewarded playing those roles the game would work better.

>>715217179
>I WANT COSMETICS THAT MAKE ME FEEL LIKE A FACELESS SOLDIER

Okay, he's a scoreboard that celebrates the achievements of your squad over the individual

>NO REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>715226446
I know just from the way you talk that you're a disingenuous faggot with bad faith arguments but are you honestly defending 2042's lack of scoreboard?

>>715226446
>I have the ability to maintain an ego without looking special and as a part of a whole
>Oh yeah? Then how come you don't like the game refusing to give you information about your accomplishments
Fuck off retard

>>715226212
There's no class that's doing too many things, except maybe engineer. They tried to change that by adding the tanker class, but that came with its own baggage of stupid shit like repairing tanks from inside them for free and the fact that once you're stuck as the tanker class without a tank you might as well suicide and respawn because vehicles don't spawn on the map and you couldn't pick up kits off the ground anymore.

all these retards had to do is copy paste bf4 but with better graphics and new content is that so fucking hard

>>715226669
BF4 was dogshit though. It's literally only remembered fondly because it was the last modern battlefield for like a decade.

>>715226619
I know it's hard to move your eyes around the screen but your accomplishments are in the top right.

:) Give me another dumb excuse you need to see every single individuals stats in a match?

>>715226649
Tanker weapons just were better than most, and were at the very least unique. You just ran around and shot some people for a bit until you died, it was no huge problem if you wound up outside your vehicle as one.

>>715223773
You can make my kills worth literally no points, someone who’s getting high amount of kills is still contributing a lot more to the team than a shitter who dies 50 times trying to capture the objective. It doesn’t matter at all. But that’s what’s good about battlefield, everyone regardless of skill level can contribute but there are players like me who are good at getting kills so that’s what we contribute. And in the end, we contribute the most because we are eliminating the enemy and removing them from the objective. Allowing our team to capture the objectives easier

>>715216754
It fucking succeeded though. Battlefield is a massively successful series that has only ever approached failure when it abandoned class roles. There is no failure to address, and the idea that there is one is absurd.
>>715227109
>someone who’s getting high amount of kills is still contributing a lot more to the team than a shitter who dies 50 times trying to capture the objective
But you're contributing far less than someone who actually captures the point.
Yes, obviously someone doing well while doing the wrong thing is better than someone failing to do the right thing. That's retarded hyperbole.

>>715227109
People don't play to win games anymore. The shitter wants to feel good like the tard that gets high killstreaks and doesn't bother capturing because its not worth it. Now you just have TDM disguised as an objective mode. If you don't incentive people to want to do team related activities with huge points and big on screen hud explosions to incite dopamine rushes then they aren't going to bother. And this might sound crazy, but its actually possible to kill people and capture points at the same time.

>>715226649
Support also being medic and arguably recon being spec ops. At the very least gadgets like the spawn beacon and tugs would be far, far better on a class restricted to close range weapons instead of being used to benefit someone sitting >500m away from the fight.

>>715227340
>>715227281
Where do you get this idea that players who get high amount of kills don’t help the team capture the objectives? First of, you can’t even get a lot of kills without actively engaging the enemy in contentious points. Wiping the enemy off the objectives allows for the shitter teammate of your to actually capture the objective rather than dying million of times trying to do so.

>>715227549
That's great, but why should you be doing that alone when the shitters don't bother because they can't kill for shit? This idea that you need to elevate them by removing their obstacles rather then them being able to contribute is silly.

>>715172092 (OP)
one question: does it still have women?

>>715227465
You mean assault being medic, but no that's a good thing. There shouldn't be classes that don't have a teamplay function and which only exist for kills.

Perhaps the way to make people care about teamwork is to make it so you only get XP for winning the match. No points for doing literally anything, everything else you do is just expected actions towards the end of facilitating victory.

>>715227549
I care about people who present K/D as more important than helping the team and use that to excuse bad play or worse, bad design of the game.

I love stims from tarkov
Why cant other game devs come up with the same idea