Oblivion remastered looks 10 times better without the forced fog that you can only remove via modding

Is there a mod yet that doesn't completely remove the fog but just pushes it way back more naturally?

>>715254946
why would you want the fog? it's garbage

>>715254883 (OP)

Without fog it just looks flat.

Ever hard of diffuse light?

>>715255056
Go outside and look in the distance

>>715255168
i don't see any fog in the distance, permanent fog is the most unrealistic thing ever

>>715254883 (OP)
Because it somewhat obscures the fact that what is supposed to be the largest city in Tamriel is the size of a Walmart, and the lake surrounding it looks like a tiny pond.

>>715255242
I know you're a trolling autist, but the white peak in the distance shouldn't be so crisp clear

>>715255242
I mean actual far distance, not you looking at a house 20 foot away

>>715254883 (OP)
reminds them of home

>>715255712
The shit 20 feet away in the game is completely covered in fog you mongoloid.

>>715255793
Not the point ignoramus

>>715255714
That's not fog. That's smog.

>>715255712
>>715255643
i mean in the real world you can see some faint fog in the extreme distance when there are mountains, but normally you shouldn't see any fog

>>715255643

uh?

>>715255168
Anon, idiots like >>715255242 either live in cities or places where they can't see very far into the distance. They literally have no idea that atmospheric perspective is a real thing.

>>715257034
you're lying

>>715258148
Google atmospheric perspective, you fucking retard.

>>715255242
Have you ever been outside your entire life.

>>715255056
Because no fog just looks unnatural

>>715258376
no fog looks natural, you much have eyesight problems

>>715254883 (OP)
Current year devs and publishers love everything that makes their game run like ass. If it tanks your frames and looks like ass they will force it on you 100 times out of 100.

>>715258363
have you? clearly not

>actually fog doesn't exist and you made it up
???

>more effects=more better XD
It's really that simple, the industry is full of low skill labor, poorly trained artists and hacks.

>>715259025
unless the day is foggy you shouldn't see any fog

I remember the sun being more orange and nobody is telling me it wasn't otherwise

>>715255168
>>715255118
>>715255643
>>715257034
>>715258248
>>715258363
>>715258376
>imbeciles that eat up whatever fog/motion blur/chromatic aberration garbage game devs come up because they are so stupid they think it is "cinematic"
Can you fuck off already to retardera or reddit or whatever shithole you crawled from?

>>715254883 (OP)
Console limitations.

>>715259335
UE5 light is blue shifted.
One of the reasons it looks bad.

>>715254883 (OP)
I think it'd be fine if it was just got more blue in the distance like it actually would IRL.
>>715259261
I am currently looking outside and the mountains look like that.

>>715255714
Kek

>>715259640
sometimes there's fog in the mountains, but normally you shouldn't see any fog, often while looking at mountains too most of the times there's no fog

>>715259398
>tranime
>retarded opinion
An iconic duo

>>715259398
You stupid motherfucker, I can walk out into my back yard and see the atmospheric haze in the distance right now. I'll bet you're a fuckin Flerfer, too.

Do people think you can see at a infinite range with no distortion?

Fog off in the distance is fine and adds immersion fog 5 feet infront of you constantly (unless it’s just foggy weather which does exist) is retarded

>>715260246
You fuckin retards calling it “fog” is half the problem confusion and argument that shouldn’t even exist here. It’s not fucking fog, it’s the developer trying to re-create visual depth and distance while also trying to keep system usage from blowing up and it comes off looking like shit most of the time

>>715262279
who the fuck do you think your talking to you lil bitch

>>715254883 (OP)
because nerd devs wear glasses and cant see clear

>>715261981
2/10 made me reply

>>715255056
It might be to appease the Chinese and Indians

>>715255242
It does, just not 10 meters ahead of you like in videogames.

>>715262279
you are dumb as fuck, that fog doesn't "increase" performances, if anything it probably takes some cpu and gpu power

you don't know what the fuck you're talking about as always

>>715254883 (OP)
Its just overtuned, needs to be further away. Air is blue in color so far away objects have a slight blue hue. Removing all of it in a game makes the image look flat.

>>715263016
i can can clearly see the mountain peaks

>>715263016
Game worlds aren't often big enough for this effect to even occur.
Games would just look much better without it.

>>715263240
Because the blue is not fog, its the air in between the distance of your eyeballs and the mountain. Longer the distance, more air there is between you and the mountain, so more blue the mountain looks.

>>715263016
>Air is blue in color
Imagine believing this

use fog to lower the gpu requirements
>use shitty unoptimized volumetric fog to ruin the performance experience
which way pajeet?

>>715263616
>Well achksually technically air does not have a color.
Ok smartass. I'm talking about in normal common sense and art school terms. Technically you don't have a color either.

>>715254883 (OP)
>>715255056
i live in this exact clime and you do see fog on the lake pretty regularly, but it shouldn't go so high up, it should end (or at least get way thinner, depending on the temperature that day) like halfway up the mountains there
fog is comfy but vidya fog is always gay except like silent hill i guess

>>715263405
you know that's a 100+ km distance? the oblivion world isn't even that big

>>715263340
The problem is that video games use optimization techniques that lower the detail for distant objects. Just look the trees in OPs image. That completely removes the depth from the image, so you need some fog to create the illusion of depth. It looks way too flat and artificial otherwise.

>>715254883 (OP)
It gives the illusion of atmospheric scattering for distance by making shit bluer. But it also covers poor LOD with terrain and objects. And in some cased its just to improve performance by obfuscating what needs to be displayed.

>>715264248
oblivion remastered looks like shit with fog

>>715264248
>i posted le cute cat doing silly stuff
reddit is that way down the hall

>>715264385
This looks like shit. The fog is overdone in the game but some subtle fog really improves the image and brings more depth.

>>715254883 (OP)
some people in this thread really want to convince you that real life is so foggy that the sky looks like this

>>715264248
It looks more real than the one with anti-soul fog.
Your brain got conditioned to this shit by looking at games with this effect for too long.
It was always used as a way to hide low render distance.

>>715264520
toxoplasmosis + pedophilia board bucko, go back to 9gag or roblox

>>715264658
indians, bethesda has indian teams defending their games on 4channel dot org

>>715264520

>>715264640
looks fine, the problem here is unreal engine 5 and the shitty nanite foliage that makes trees look like this, ff7 rebirth had the same problem, overall it still looks miles better than vanilla, i think one of the reasons kcd1 and 2 look so good is because there's no fog for kilometers

>>715254883 (OP)
anti-soul gas won

>>715264957
kcd looks good because it's on an engine tuned to look good that the devs, when they realized the engine really wasn't optimized for the game they wanted to make, just doubled down on and learned how to make it work
it's also kind of retarded to say "x looks good y doesn't" though in abstract because 2BH the average retard uses shit settings for everything, like even just setting a game to ultra preset or advanced all ultra usually makes a game look worse than carefully picking and choosing (every ue5 game and kcd both suffer from this)

>>715265157
however, kcd landscapes look good especially because there's no fog everywhere
fog is everywhere in modern games

>>715264669
its funny that the free simple depth fog they used in the past looks better than the compute-heavy haze they use today

>>715265354
in every ue5 game you can literally just do r.fog 0, which back in source days we considered a completely valid expectation of a pc player but i guess now we consider console commands too advanced

>>715265543
>disables your achievements

>>715265543
some options cannot be removed like that, in frf7 rebirth i can't remove the eye adaptation garbage despite setting all the eye adaptation features to 0

>>715265719
every ue game can have the variables adjusted it's just a file location thing

>>715266012
again, no. not always at least

in ff7 rebirth you literally cannot remove the eye adaptation/auto exposure, i set all the main options to zero and nothing happened

r.XeSS.AutoExposure=0
r.DefaultFeature.AutoExposure=0
r.EyeAdaptation.LensAttenuation=0
r.EyeAdaptationQuality=0
r.EyeAdaptation.Focus=0.000000
r.EyeAdaptation.MethodOveride=0

also setting the volumetric fog to 0 (r.VolumetricFog=0) strangely cases a heavy white haze in closed environments, specially visible in under junon
some settings are baked into each other so removing them causes unexpected results, it's not as simple as you claim

>>715256551
It's in the fucking image you've posted. Or do you think grey rocks and green trees have that blueish washed out tint up close?

>>715266602
that's not fog and the peaks are very visible

>>715266645
Yes, it's aerial perspective. That's why the other anon asked for the fog to not be removed completely but only moved far back and weakened, so that it creates the desired effect instead of looking like thick mist.

>>715257034
Sometimes there is fog and sometimes there isn't. Both are realistic honestly.

>>715266297
i don't buy goyslop, but i see multiple threads saying you can do exactly what you're saying you can't
this is my only spoonfeed post but with ue5slop you have to wipe your cache and restart your pc to actually have it work, if it still doesn't work after that you're putting it in the wrong place

>>715266784
that's not fog and last i checked we don't have wings, we will never normally see this while walking, also these are like hundreds of miles, bigger than bethesda maps
oblivion should not have fog

>>715266784
that light haze that you see while looking at faraway mountains isn't really fog, and it's hard to achieve in videogames, few games did it right, better not having fog at all if you can't do it right

>>715266879
If something is very far away there will be a haze on that object. You won't have that visual clarity on far off objects. In OPs picture, the very far back mountains would have that effect. Chances of anything surrounding the lake wouldn't have atmospheric perspective.

>>715266994
>but i see multiple threads saying you can do exactly what you're saying you can't
you literally can't
>this is my only spoonfeed post but with ue5slop you have to wipe your cache and restart your pc to actually have it work, if it still doesn't work after that you're putting it in the wrong place
listen, some features in ue5 games are fused together with other features, so you cannot easily remove them

>>715254883 (OP)
>>715254946
Tried combining the two screenshots to make more subtle aerial perspective (used a gradient mask for the foggy screen with max 60% opacity and a cyan tint, masking out the sky to make it not foggy).
>>715267130
>also these are like hundreds of miles, bigger than bethesda maps
That's why they put the fog there, to make the map feel bigger even though it's actually small. San Andreas did the same thing, and DE looked like shit when they removed the fog.
Whether the way they've done it in a good was is another discussion (they kind of didn't).

>>715267414
>San Andreas did the same thing, and DE looked like shit when they removed the fog.
san andreas is too small and set in an island, oblivion map isn't enormous but it's not so small that it feels like you can see the entire map from the top of a hill, also the oblivion map is way bigger than its playable borders
it looks fine without fog

>>715267414
Still kinda washed out, but I guess its not your fault, but rather textures.

>>715255056
Creates a sense of depth. The image on the right in >>715254883 (OP) causes everything to meld together, you can't make out the mountains in the far back from the hill in front.

Here's a compromise between the two. (Did this before noticing the anon above me did something similar.)

>>715267414
This is what I want oblivion to look like. I dont mind the fog, I just wish it would not mute all the color 5 feet in front of you. It took way to much work with a big performance hit using reshade, just to still have volumetric fog enabled and have color.

>>715254883 (OP)
>fog
That's rayleigh scattering, and it's why in real life mountains and distance land appears to look blue and hazy. I'd double or triple the starting distance of it in Oblivion personally, but IMO it doesn't look realistic without it at all either.

>>715266879
Atmospheric perspective is not fog. It's enough of the atmosphere itself, the particles that make up the air, being between you and what you're looking at to create a bluish haze.

>>715263016
>Air is blue in color
american education, ladies and gentlemen

They use it to give the illusion of distance. Most game worlds are basically the size foaa football field. The distant mountains in red read redemption 2 are about one street block away from you.

>>715267414
too much blue

>>715267976
Why do you want it to look realistic?

>>715255168
I live a few km away from a mountain and i've literally never seen it clear like in the op. It looks more like the the farthest mountain in the before picture in the op. A good compromise would be to push the fog back like that other anon said

>>715263016
> Air is blue in color
lol

>zoomers think atmospheric scattering is "fog"

>>715263240
clearly it's the same color

>>715254883 (OP)
both look bad
on left fog is too stong, on right it looks flat with no depth
either way they should use volumetric fog and not depth one

>>715269634
>it's not for even tho you can remove it by typing r.Fog=0

>>715254883 (OP)
because they implement the fog in a shit tier fashion. there's zero variety of depth and density. compare it to something like gta v.

>>715269341
this completely encapsulates the absolutely dogshit, talentless artistic design of modern AAA games.

>>715270034
volumetric fog looks just as bad and on top of that it destroys your gpu

>>715254883 (OP)
Because fog obscures low poly distance models and shit.
In the old days the fog was a render distance limiter.

>>715269634
It's fucking wild that in this day and age, we have the entirety of human knowledge at our fingertips and yet people still don't bother educating themselves

>>715265639
Relax, nobody cares about your oblivion cheevos.

>>715270124
retarded take, go play forbidden west, it uses volumetric fog to hide lods but still keeps top of peaks clean, its looks great

>>715267241
Pretty much this. Devs are incompetent as fuck, therefore I will just r.fog 0 in every unreal game. Simple as

>>715254883 (OP)
Games replace high quality model with low poly ones when you are far away from it. Fog is used to hide this.

>>715254883 (OP)
THATS NOT FOG YOU FUCKING RETARD GO OUTSIDE FOR ONCE IN YOUR LIFE

>>715254883 (OP)
I've seen UE5 look good in indieslop but why can't the jeets hired by the AAA studios ever make it look good?

>>715270034
It's not fucking fog. Why do you retards keep calling it fog. It's scattering from the atmosphere. It's why on the moon everything is the exact same color no matter how far you look, and the largest function of this effect is distance. It's not a "cinematic" effect from a lens either, it's an actual fucking effect you retards would know if you ever lived in a place where you could actually see in the distance. Also every picture people are posting to try to "disprove" it's existence still prove it's existence, but also use mountains very close to the observer. If you want an example on distance objects just go look at the moon during the day you fucking dumbasses. Does it look white to you? Fucking retarded ass board man I swear.

>>715273992
i dont care, looks like fog, its fog

>>715274327
>Don't care. I'm a retard, hurr

Yes I know.

>>715261752
not just tranime
pop team epic
the most redditroon of anime

>>715254883 (OP)
It hides their laziness and shitty visuals

>>715255056
No fog is artificial looking, some is good.

>>715255714
>poop fumes in an entire country
The most disgusting people on the planet, by far. Even worse than jews.

>/v/ at large was calling this shit "anti-soul gas"
>suddenly it's all "fog" now
Did this dumb term leak into the normalfag sphere, got sanitized, and then made its way back here?

>>715274790
>Anti-soul gas
>it's called distance fog in games along with a height based version
>It's been around since early PC games

Maybe if /v/ actually played video games they would know that.

>>715254883 (OP)
how about this

Lazy way to try and make the world look more detailed. New version of chromatic aberration

>>715273992
It's called Volumetric Fog in the engine itself.
Games aren't reality btw.

>>715275327
Chromatic abberation is a lens defect that doesn't exist in real life. Atmospheric perspective is necessary for any environment to look it's proper size. Show a single image, game screenshot or real life picture, that lacks atmosphere perspective at a large scale and looks good.

>>715275268
This is better.

>>715275620
Volumetric fog is not the same thing. It's fog, rendered with volumetrics.

>Video games aren't real life

Images without atmospheric perspective look bad. Please post a single counter example.

>>715275836
Your subjective opinion cannot be changed by anything I can say.
Simple.

>>715269341
>>715270062
Its fucked that this kind of thinking has also affected fucking Mario of all things.
>Whimsical vibrant cartoon series?
>Uhh it needs to tone that down and start striving for realism because realistic good

>>715273992
The more times you say "fucking" the more seriously people take you. Good job reddit.

>>715274790
>>/v/ at large was calling this shit "anti-soul gas"
>>suddenly it's all "fog" now
It´s like retards dont know the meaning of the words they use and start making definitions out their asses, huh?

the effect is called atmospheric perspective and done right it can look good. sadly every single game dev is retarded and implements it in a hamfisted way, the effect should be subtle and start way further out from the camera but instead the morons have it start like 20 feet from the player which always looks wierd

>>715274790
There is a new retarded buzzword every week, and the giant influx of newfags will spam it ad nauseam in a poor attempt to fit in. Does this really surprise you?

>>715275620
Good bait, you made me reply.
For those unaware, there are 2 entirely separate systems in unreal for atmosphere and fog, Sky Atmosphere and Exponential Height Fog, respectively.
Sky Atmosphere is the one that should be used to create the distance scattering, for obvious reasons.
Using Exponential Height Fog to do it like in Oblivion is dumb as all fuck and looks like shit.

>>715255643
>he's been in a smog-filled industrial shithole so long he's forgotten what the natural horizon looks like
sad