Not the combat. That's actually the easiest in the series I've played, since I can just spam mighty shot on literally everything, run 5 feet away so they drop aggro and repeat. But everything else.

Every encounter is so tedious. There's like 7-10 enemies in every single fight, any any one of which can just decide to not take hitstun. I can shoot them, but its boring. I can fight them in melee, but I don't have the tools for that.

The game seems to want me to fight these groups too. Right now its leading me to a castle that has something like 12 enemies outside of it that also shoots me with arrows.

I don't understand how this is fun.

In Demons, Darksouls 1 and 2, these encounters would be like 2-5 enemies max.

It's more fun when you're using a sword and not a bow like a faggot.

>>715296193 (OP)
I had a good time as a bow focused user my second playthrough but for the love of god use some melee too. I went with fists as my backup. Was fun.

>>715296193 (OP)
Use punches, it is the manly way to play

>>715296193 (OP)
It's legit just a very boring game

>>715296193 (OP)
Use something that breaks poise. Should be obvious really. Bosses in Elden Ring can be hard sometimes, but regular enemies are generally easy to deal with. You get tons of tools for that.

>>715296193 (OP)
weak

>>715296614
Such as what

>>715296337
>>715296424
Still boring then
Sneak backshotting people is no less unfun
Fighting 10 dudes at once and trying to find my turn to do anything is no less unfun

>>715296193 (OP)
Elden Ring is more about navigating the area to get an advantage than other games

Don't use a bow only, do melee also. All of From Slop is based around melee.

That said, the castle area you're talking about is either right at the start after Margit and you should take the alternate area way (go left at the main gate that the guy suggseted) or else it's the open area with them all and in that case, just run the fuck up to the stairs on the left or right and funnel the few into there in melee
Then go around killing the rest if you want but it's not needed

It's mainly: find big enemy, clear out some small area of enemies to fight big enemy, continue

>>715297090
Navigating is just another reason its easy and boring
Its amazing how many enemies I can kill by double jumping on a rock and shooting and they can do literally nothing about it

>>715297035
>Sneak backshotting people is no less unfun
Who the fuck does this either? Just run up and slash the enemies you stupid faggot

>>715297035
>Such as what
Big sword

>>715297401
Then they just ignorebeing hit and hti me

>>715297401
It reeks of "Gamers will optimize the fun out of games", yeah

>>715297215
It's basic from slop at its peak

I'm not sure what you expected, anon
You knew what to expect and you got what you expected? it's just that From can't make good games. Margit was probably the best example of how most of the bosses will go: huge combo windows and you can get in one or two hits at best when it's 'your turn'

If you want 'good' combat with From slop, then try Sekiro

Or better yet get Nioh or Wo Long depending if you want parry slop or dodge/block slop

>>715296193 (OP)
No, you don't need to engage anything in this game that isn't a mandatory boss fight. But the core game design itself IS tedious shit, for sure.

>>715297493
I already beat Nioh and 2 and dropped lo wong because it sucks.
I expected a good game with tight encounter design and good map design, not repeated open fields full of generic knights and dogs

>>715297035
>still boring
Then knock it off and try something else good lord use your noggin for a change. Maybe start leaning towards wizard shit or incantations. I did a third playthrough focused on Incantations and that was also pretty fun.

>>715297610
I don't have any spells
I don't know where to get them
I don't know where to do or get anything
I had to alt tab out of the game to google how to get the ability to use summons after unlocking one because you need to specifically teleport to a specific not-bonfire and literally nothing indicates this.

>>715297604
>it's from slop
>this time with open areas

What the FUCK did you fucking expect?

>>715297604
>and dropped lo wong
Filtered

>>715297817
Game suckeda
Parry sloppa

>>715297731
Again, you know what from slop is and you bought one

Tell me why are you this retarded to say 'it's not my fault' yet it clearly is

>>715296193 (OP)
>get eaten by a snake (and merge with him) for power
why? you have to share your body with an idiotic animal, can't fuck or eat like a normal person, you're confined to a cave filled with corpses and chandeliers and everyone hates your guts. when you add all of the torture and sex rituals to the mix then this edgy faggot becomes one of the worst-written characters in all of their games.
Also, Latenna tells you that she wants to go to the Haligtree but then it turns out that the immigrant albinaurics actually live around a church inhabited by a giantess albinauric who's supposed to carry their young (???) all of which was pulled out of the writer's asshole. Shame, the world and lore started off really strong only to get progressively worse.

>>715297493
Name a good action game.

>>715297610
Pure FTH my beloved

>>715298006
>why merge with a snake
He peaked. He wasn't the strongest and he never would be.
So he had to make up the distance somehow. And the snake that eats the Gods is as good as any partner to have.

>>715298071
What sub genre?
Because action can be anything from doom to mario party

>>715298252
The biggest limitation I'll put up is that it should have a campaign, and not be either multiplayer only or without any kind of story mode, like a party game.

>>715298540
Either name a sub genre or stop posting

>>715298748
Just answer the question, what subgenre you pick yourself is more revealing.

>>715296193 (OP)
>the combat is easy because I cheese it all
>but the things I can't cheese are awful because I'm underpowered and underskilled by relying on skill
ok man

>>715298823
k
pong

>>715298916
Yea

>>715296193 (OP)
>since I can just spam mighty shot on literally everything, run 5 feet away so they drop aggro and repeat.
>Every encounter is so tedious.
You're literally doing it to yourself, bro. every encounter costs you runes in the form of arrows, why are you playing like that?

>>715298975
Multiplayer only.

>>715299058
>he doesn't play against himself

>>715296193 (OP)
Every time I see a camp or in a castle, I scout to see the best way to take them down, one by one, and to see if there’s any hiding about by using the telescope. So satisfying planning it all out, prepping any items I might need, then going in and then taking them all out.

>>715299864
Why
Just shoot them and run away and repeat

>>715299905
I enjoy Splinter Cell type games

>>715296193 (OP)
You sound retarded.
>the combat is easy, but tedious
>it's tedious because the combat method I chose was "shoot them with an arrow and run away very far"
>this strat doesn't work for groups, though, so that actually is kind of hard
>I could try a different, more fun strategy, but I am bad at the difficult combat
>oh and I don't want to use the tools the game gives me, like spirit ashes, which are there to facilitate group fights

>>715297731
It'a an open world game. Go explore.

>>715297493
It's always "your turn".

>>715300981
I did and I found nothing but groups of dudes

>>715301731
Fromsoft is very generous at giving you things to find when you explore. The memes about only finding crafting mats are basically game journalists and turbo noobs who dont actually play the game for much before they quit.

That church where you get the bell to summon has a merchant that sells you a bunch of very useful things including some notes that tell secrets about the area, like where to buy spells.

>>715296193 (OP) playing like a retard?

>>715297493
>Margit was probably the best example
You can hit margit so frequently what are you on about?
If you hold anything lighter than a greatsword you can easily get hits in between every single on of his delayed attacks with several of them having gaps for charge attacks that even slower weapons can use (or several with good positioning).
If you have a greatsword or anything heavier you can trade into a stagger (even with common ashes like stamp uppercut) making most of his attacks openings, especially as 2 strong moves is enough to stance break him consistently.

>>715296193 (OP)
>i'm not having fun with a specific play style so it's a bad game
>no i won't try something else, my play style is already fun

>>715305885
You're missing the point

>>715296193 (OP)
>>715297035
This has to be a troll thread, I can't believe that someone would shitpost about the combat being easy while also posting about how boring it is because they refuse to do anything that isn't cheese.
Elden Ring has plenty of issues but when you make retarded threads like this it only serves to vindicate fanboys that fellatio the game.

>>715306025
>Margit was probably the best example
>huge combo windows and you can get in one or two hits at best when it's 'your turn'
Is this not the point?
Why bring up margit as an example of a boss where 'you can only get one or two hits in at best' when that's just blatantly not the case?

>>715306272
Nothing I said was incorrect
Nothing you said was incorrect

You're just missing the point

>>715297035
>southern peninsula
>castle morne
>claymore
>lion's claw spam

Alternatively (harder)
>caelid via church of marika
>ultra gs
>nearby redmane mini castle
>lion's claw AoW
>lion's claw spam

Alternatively alternatively
>liurnia
>joe's crab shack
>castration.exe
>cragblade AoW
>fist the whole game

>>715306495
>Nothing I said was incorrect
>huge combo windows and you can get in one or two hits at best when it's 'your turn'
This is outright incorrect.
You can get 3-4 hits perfectly fine on some of his attack ends.
Or a fully charged attack + a fast attack.

That's also ignoring stance break as a mechanic.
If you stance break him you get
>Hit that causes the stance break
>Hit pre-crit
>Crit
>Post crit set of hits

>>715306912
He is just trolling

>>715306912
Anon, just because you play it like a speedrunner does not mean it's how the game was designed

Please understand game design and dev intended playstyle =/= how everyone plays

it's why ranged is still retardedly OP

>>715307347
>Mashing r1 after margits slowest attack is playing like a speedrunner
>Doing a charged attack into an r1 is playing like a speedrunner
>Hitting the enemy while they are staggered but before a crit is playing like a speedrunner
I see >>715307258 was right, no point in continuing this.

>>715296193 (OP)
most enemies die in like three to five hits if you're equipped for the area. if not then you need to upgrade your shit. that's how you'll deal with more than one enemy at once, you maintain your spacing and poke at them when it's most opportunistic to do so. then when numbers are lower, you can take the fight to them.

Run while you still can anon. That is what these games are all about. It is just enemy spam and enemy spam in gay places.
It is why I do not like any soulsslop, and you probably won't either. This is coming from someone who has beaten elden ring.

I remember there was this fight at the beginning of sekiro where it was the boss surrounded by a shit ton of enemies and that was finally the moment I couldn't take it anymore. I just want to fight bosses bro, but these games are not about that at all.

>>715307914
You're trolling but you aren't wrong. Souls games are much more than just the bosses, if beating the bosses and being able to say you beat the game is all you're here for then frankly yeah, you're playing the wrong game.

>>715307914
>I remember there was this fight at the beginning of sekiro where it was the boss surrounded by a shit ton of enemies
What fight was this?

>>715307605
Agreed with daid anon, you are trolling
please stop this

If you do not wish to accept you are not playing the way the game is designed, that's fine. Many, many players use things like ranged spam, magic, guard counters and more. Play how you wish. It's YOUR playthrough, anon.

>>715308121
Why do you think I am trolling if I am candidly stating my opinion?
>>715308171
Juzou the drunkard. I have beaten every dark souls, elden ring, lies of p, and I always gritted my teeth and beared the enemy spam, the enemies throwing shit, the elden ring gargoyles on the rafters sewer bullshit. But when I saw that shit, it was the final straw. I alt+f4'd finally in that moment, and I am never playing soulslop again. We heard you like mobs bro so we gave you some mobs with your boss fight duuuuude

>>715298160
>He peaked.
Just like Miyazaki a decade ago.

>>715308550
I figured it was that one

You can EASILY kill all of the adds before fighting him. If that fight was in a souls, I'd be pissed you're magic ninja man in Sekiro

>>715308784
Sekiro did not have a single bad fight. Yes, even the two apes are decent once you figure out how to approach them.

>>715308917
Twin apes sounded like absolute horseshit nonsense. My first Sekiro playthrough I avoided so much shit and struggled the whole way

I played again after ER and just flew through the game and killed absolutely everything even the underwater headless and had a much better time. The only thing better about my first playthrough was I was streaming to friends at the time and didn't know the headless ape would get back up so my reaction was genuine

Man I need to play Sekiro again sometime soon

>>715308784
>You can EASILY kill all of the adds before fighting him
I don't want to kill adds. I just want to fight the boss. The mobs have buckbroken me, and that design choice was the final straw.

>>715296193 (OP)
>plays like a retarded faggot
>what the fuck why is the game so tedious??
Have you considered not being a retarded faggot?
Also, the reason ER throws way more enemies at you at the same time because it gives you a bunch of AoE tools. It's completely fine to run into a horde of enemies and use a big AoE to clear them. Elden Ring is built on Dark Souls, but it's not Dark Souls.

>>715296193 (OP)
fag

>>715296193 (OP)
I dunno. It was the first Souls like I ever played and it came naturally. I played it same way I play most open world games or RPGs. Go around doing all the side content to level and get tools and weapons. If I hit a ceiling I go somewhere else and come back. I only thing I got filtered by a bit was how obtuse and unhelpful it was.
>Here is an item you needed and the way to get it was etched on the back of a random tree in the middle of nowhere

>>715306223
>I can't believe that someone would shitpost about the combat being easy while also posting about how boring it is because they refuse to do anything that isn't cheese.
its a pretty common trope for souls games. People who are new struggle with the game then find some easy/cheesy way to play and only do that then complain its not fun.

dark souls 1
>you can circle strafe everything!
dark souls 2
>bro if i just run away for 30 seconds every time you need to heal you can use healing gems forever! its so tedious!
Elden ring
>just run away until you bait the 1 attack from the boss that is a free punish and you can easily beat the bosses, its so tedious!
its somewhat of a fair critic but at the same time is also a skill issue and somewhat misses the point of the games. they are action RPG and you are suppose to choose a "role" or rather play style that you find fun.

>>715308121
hes not trolling m8. Some people get an legitimate stress response when they encounter something in a video game that requires multi tasking espeically if it also involves strategy or tactics. Its one reason why even soulsfags were hard countered by Lords of The Fallen, the game was all about tactically running through levels while managing multiple enemies aggro. I watched souls content creators freeze up when they had to fight more than one mob at a time and have melt downs over that game

>>715296193 (OP)
>Every encounter is so tedious.
Because you're dealing with every encounter with a "solution" that takes 5 minutes per enemy, you absolute fucking mongoloid. Ranged is not meant to carry you through the game. It's meant to pull agro and maybe do a bit of sniping. If you're sniping with anything but a Greatbow or Hand Ballista/Jar Cannon, you're fucking doing it WRONG.

>>715307914
The funniest part is you genuinely thought quitting before Juzou was some mic drop moment when that fight is literally designed to teach you stealth and positioning. It’s not “enemy spam in gay places,” it's "maybe kill the guy throwing fire from the bushes before you charge in like a moron." Sekiro was the most straightforward out of all of them lmao, no builds, no summons, just gitgud or go home. You should’ve tapped out at Blighttown, bro, save yourself the years of suffering.

>>715312662
>just run away until you bait the 1 attack from the boss that is a free punish and you can easily beat the bosses, its so tedious!
See now you're doing the opposite of op where you're taking something that has a kernel of truth and pretend it's unreasonable.
I wish you faggots would just say what you want to say instead of relying on double speak like literal women (which you will never be).