Thread 715353102

What went so catastrophically wrong?

no g cup femstodes gf to suffocate me with her breasts
not enough enemy spawns, underpowered nerf guns for the majority of the bolter weapons, fairly short, main campaign is underwhelming because it expects a 2/3 man party, operations are super underwhelming because there's not enough randomization in the levels to keep things fresh and interesting, PvP is a fucking joke and I think Eternal Crusade of all things was better, not enough customization, selling paints and armor parts as DLC, chaos not nearly as fun to fight as tyranids, jetpack still a boring ground pound machine, no power axes, mauls, claws, storm bolters, melta rifles feel extremely bad to use even if it's one of the strongest weapons in the game(I'm talking about the act of firing it, it feels like you're spraying a fart on enemies, there's zero weight or feel to it), awful bosses, extremely underwhelming siege mode, no vehicles(thunderhawk as a taxi... why?), no terminator armor, no drop pods, no pity playable Dreadnought mission, no amanda nero, not a single memorable music track, no boarding action missions, not a single interesting class perk in any of the 12(base+prestige) perk trees, bullshit MUH NAMED CHARACTER DADDY CALGAR COMES IN TO SAVE THE DAY fanservice shit, no real deathwatch arc, not going to follow up on the original plan of Titus becoming his own chapter master. Game sucks and is boring and had the bare minimum of effort put into it(and don't give me that "muh three game modes!" bullshit) and the sequel will be equally forgettable.

Nothing. You got raped & gaped.

you play as ultrasmurfs instead of blood ravens
oh also zoomer primaris are too big may as well be a mutant now

>>715353691
none of these criticisms are valid

>>715353791
all of those criticism were valid.
Here's another one, Reliquary FUCKING SUCKS

>>715353839
>Reliquary FUCKING SUCKS
>have to search for codes in a crypt
>twice
>have to run across a bridge while dodging dragon fire
>twice
>The """boss fight"""
It really is way worse than all the other pve missions

having to level up your character for the co-op shit is kind of lame
like yeah i get it's 40k so there will be faggots who deeply care about cusatomizing their +2 bolter pistol with a 3% resistance against infernal ballsuckers perk and a blood dildo skin or whatever but it really doesn't add anything to the gameplay, normally I like to play through every difficulty in these kinds of games but for the co-op I just played it once on normal
It would have been better if all that effort that went into making a billion gazillion skill trees and weapon variants that you unlock with 16 different currencies and XP levels just went into making a couple more enemies and weapon types

>>715353102 (OP)
for me it was the grind. it's complete bullshit that I'm expected to grind hours and hours for bullshit weapon rarities and perks just so I can play competently. Horde shooters peaked with left 4 dead. Imagine if that game made you grind to unlock better versions of the m16 and perks just so you can play on the hardest difficulty. It's bullshit.

>beat the campaign on Angel of Death
>there's no achievent, unlockable or any kind of in-game acknowledgement whatsoever
This bothered me more than I'd like to admit

Forcing the three man thing into the main campaign. Making the operations missions rely on the three man thing. It was just a decade too late for that stuff. As it stands it's a very good single player game, but it could have been a great one.

>>715353102 (OP)
>gameplay is too basic
>really short campaign
>ultrasmurf only
>base custom is shit
I enjoyed what it has but it's not enough.
Even Gears 1 has more variety and lenght than SM2.

I have no idea why they thought it's a good idea to make it woke as all fuck. I'm so tired of this shit.

>>715355115
how was it woke, serious question

it's to hard ;(

>>715353102 (OP)
For me it's the combat. Your weapons feel incredibly weak and you're forced to rely on the parry system to deal any real damage. The gameplay is way more reactive than proactive. It feels pointless to actually swing my weapons at enemies.

>>715355115
Decimus is a cool character and I'm tired of pretending otherwise.
Besides him and Straban none of the bore brigade have a shred of character to them

>space marine big chingusarius or whatever rank
>immediately follows the orders of the first brown female that speaks to him
>a fucking guardswomyn on top of it
Lmfao I gave them no end of shit over this whole segment following her around while she constsntly talks in your ear somehow and super gruffly and authoritatively says things hard at you to get you to do them. She didnt say fuck to cause all the men to enter 100% submission mode though which is usually how that is handled

>>715355285
convently perfect ratio of nigs, chinks and whites among the playable marines
strong women fighting in the army
pajeeta leading the men

you're too brainwashed to notice this, serious question

>>715355607
ONE DOWN, TRILLIONS TO GO!

>>715355794
You didn't ask any question

>>715355285
>serious question
No it isn't. It never is with you disingenuous cunts.

>>715353102 (OP)
Too fucking short.

>>715355804
HURRY IT UP MACHINE

>>715355607
>cool character
No one complains about his character. Everyone complains that he is aggressively African. Chairon sounds like a normal man with black skin. Decimus sounds like he was frozen in stasis in 20th century Africa and brought to the present day. It is retarded.

>>715356126
That's valid but by the time he shows up you already had like 10 interactions with that one dude who has a scottish accent

>>715356126
Please understand he's a world eater that accidentally ended up in the ultramarines
Plus acheran has his aggressively scottish accent intact and the two have the most memorable voices(not voice lines) to me.
I still can't remember what Titus sounds like in 2.

>>715353691
>fairly short main campaign
it was about the length I'd expect for a shooter, I got 50 hours out of the MP on top of that.

>>715356126
>>715355115
They are Primaris Muhreens, they were taken all over the Imperium and turned into generic Ultrasmurfs

Straban is an Imperial Fist/Iron Warrior, Vepasius is a Word Bearer, Scipius is a Raven Guard, Decimus came from the Celestial Lions aka the Wakanda of 40k

Even Captain Acheran is an outlier, there's a specific Dark Angels successor Scotland chapter who specialize in 2H swords

Gadriel is from the White Scars and though Chairon claims he's from Calth, he's more Salamander than Ultramarine

Unless they retconned the lore, geneseed implantation will only accept similar race dudes and reject blacks/browns since the geneseed not only gives gene coded loyalty and obedience that is hard to break, but also the Space Marine will start to take on physical characteristics of their Primarch

That's why all Blood Angels look like Adonises, all Ultramarines are white patricians, Space Wolves are all gruffy wolf vikingwolves woof woof, all Salamanders are blackest blacks, etc.

>>715355115
bro its 40k years in the future. all of humanity has long since spread out across the galaxy. there are millions of inhabitable worlds each with billions of humans. each planet could have tens of thousands of years of separate history and genetic divergence. on this planet, we barely recorded 2k years worth of history. our genetics can shift within a few decades/generations to make entire new ethnic groups within the span of 2-3 hundred years.

being racist in universe as a 40k fan is just stupid. we got actual fucking xenophobia with aliens like eldar and orks and shit. humanity is unified under the imperium, there is no reason to bring real world prejudice into sci-fi grimdark

>>715354912
It's a terrible single player game

>>715355115
He cool though

>>715353102 (OP)
Souless boring ass game. There's only a few enemy models and levels look souless and procedurally generated with no personality. The music is bland uninspired and generic as hell. Weapon selection is very bare bones. I could go on forever, but it's not worh it. Overall it's a terrible game.

>what should we focus on in terms of melee combat, what are Space Marines known for?
>PARRYING

>>715353102 (OP)
it's ok as bolterporn for 40k fans

Imo campaign is too short with shitty balancing around co-op, armoury is a bit too barren (but that's primaris problem) and live service elements are really underwhelming - game has content for about 30 hours in total
It's like 1st space marine - play campaign once and forget - which is a breath of fresh air in regards to other modern games

>>715353102 (OP)
Games Workshop should stop letting russians ruin their IP

>>715358446
>play campaign once and forget
Nah you do the campaign and then run through all the operations at least once.

>>715355115
Not tired enough to stop complaining apparently

>>715353102 (OP)
>recycled plot from the first game
>forced coop campaign with useless fucking bots and no online matchmaking
>low effort PvP mode
>dedicated all their effort to being a live service coop game
>gameplay success is decided by stats rather than skills when the first game was the opposite

the devs are HORRENDOUS at balancing. i´ve played lots of coop games and there where always complaints, but at the very least i could always see what the devs wanted to achieve with their nerfs/buffs. with saber its just hitting a randomizer.
>melee prestige perks for heavy
>have playtestserver
>nearly everyone except 2-3 mega reddit bootlickers think that meele perks on heavy are godawfull in concept
>release them anyway
>vanguard/sniper/tac have always been strong
>keep buffing them, also give them retarded strong prestige perks
>assault still a useless piece of shit since release
>have playtestservers, introduce new bug that players notice after hours on the pts, ignore their feedback and add the bug to the main game weeks later, never fix it
>dogshit approach to nerfing buffing and transparancy for players. game has a fuckton of esotheric knowledge that has to be told from player to player because the game does not tell you what block weapons do and a ton of other stuff
>prestiging takes ~110 hours
>they claim its optional
>release mode where you get kicked if not prestige 4

>>715353691
i dont want to fellate saber, there is plenty wrong with the game, but a lot of what you listed is not factual anymore

>>715355794
>Puts a helmet on
So hard

>>715357327
>all Salamanders are blackest blacks, etc.
Don't they only turn black thanks to the radiation of their home planet, i know it's such a dumb thing to nitpick, but i thought that in theory you could have regular looking salamanders if they were raised literally anywhere lese

>>715353102 (OP)
Captain Hairgel is dead

I enjoy the game but its like a love/hate relationship.

In general:
>sparse on content
>too short of a campaign
>too few operations. Devs refuse to use campaign assets or levels for ops because muh story.
>PVP is a joke
>updates are slow and add too little - its clear they didn't expect success and left the game to a skeleton crew


Mechanically:
>Game is balanced in the complete wrong direction. You should be mowing through hordes upon hordes with powerful weapons instead of fighting packs of damage sponges with foam noodles and nerf guns. Dumping a full mag into a Major's head or having to counter to make melee to get enough damage multiplier is retarded. Normal Horde mode wave 1 vs relic weapons is the closest the game gets to what I would have expected the balance to be.
>3/4 of the Weapons are not diverse enough given all the bolt guns and feel extremely similar.
>Chaos is several tiers less fun to fight against because of range disparity and teleporting.
>Contested Health System is retarded. It discourages melee since melee regen is terrible and fades too fast. Any other form of major healing is tied to a few class perks.
>Class perks teeter on useless to mandatory and many should just be part of the base class kit
>Weapon perks are fucking retarded nonsense and a SINGULAR BUILD is shared across all classes that use that weapon with no loadout options.
>launch weapon unlocks never allowing you to grind for better weapons as you always had to go up a difficulty tier with your lower tier weapons which are tied to hidden mechanics like stagger exacerbating the terrible feeling of weapons.
>Hidden mechanics such as damage resistance the lower your HP is and counter/parry multipliers are retarded.
>the loading and timewasting around the barge hub gets insufferable

>>715362682
That's what Primaris are for, charcoal white Salamanders

Vulkan was the only black guy in 40k until the Inquisitor from DoW