Has anyone ever thought about how useless the Switch and Switch 2's touchscreens are?
No game uses it and most people use their Switches docked anyway,.

i used it to turn bluetooth on for my controller once

No I don't think anyone ever has. It's not really something that people think about.
I mean most people think about food and stuff. Mostly food I believe. It is out sustance that keeps us alive. Sometimes it's potatoes sometimes it's rice. You get the drill.
So no, it sounds ludicrous that people would think if switch touchscreen is useful or not. Such a useless thing to use the little brain power we have. Maybe if we got drug that allocated more brain power to use, but that is just science fiction mostly. But who knows, humankind has developed all kinds of stuff over the decades it's been on this planet

>>715356925 (OP)
I think the most I've ever used it for a game was in Okami HD

touch screens have been around since 2005 it would be weird if they didn't have one its not like its hard to implement

>>715356925 (OP)
It is useless. But what to expect from touchscreen on console that can be used without it. It's not like 3ds where you have dedicated space for touch controls
It would be harder for them to use a screen without touch controls since they get screens from budget chinese tablets.

>>715357237
you good?

>>715357237
meds, now

I do think about this semi frequently, especially the rare occasions when I go to use it to pick a menu option and it doesn't even work

Last time i remember using is for TWEWY because the pointer controls were 100x worse.

>>715356925 (OP)
Only six games used the IR sensors too. I predict the JC Mice will continue this. A couple games early on will take advantage of it and then they’ll be completely forgotten. Mouse controls are redundant when you have built in sticks and motion sensors. It’s very awkward to use on a couch. Absolutely nobody uses the Switch 2 in tabletop mode.

>>715359097
>Absolutely nobody uses the Switch 2 in tabletop mode
I do.

>>715357715
That fucked me up in Mario Kart, the menu's buttons alll seem big enough to be touchable but nothing.

not buying it

>>715359339
No you don’t

>>715359339
I only used it once for some minigame in WW because my wrists were starting to cramp.

>>715360537
nta but I do too. Haven't done it with the 2 yet, but with switch 1 that's how I would play it on planes

>>715356925 (OP)
it pretty much solely exists for when you can't find your joycons so you still use the console to locate them. could've just been a single button on the side.

>>715359097
>Absolutely nobody uses the Switch 2 in tabletop mode.
Japanese people use it in tabletop mode a ton. they unironically sit down in starbucks with their friends and play Splatoon together. I've literally seen it

>>715356925 (OP)
clubhouse games uses it

nintendo should design some touch centric games though, it's very silly they stopped with the DS
the 3ds didn't really use the stylus or touchscreen as much
just like nintendo kinda dropped motion controls after the wii, even though people liked them

>>715356925 (OP)
it's for zoomer children
trying to type an email address or password with buttons and dpad would break their brain

>>715361045
>zoomer
>children
OH NO NO NO NO

>>715356925 (OP)
Don't think I've ever used it. Literally.

>>715356925 (OP)
It's completely useless but touchscreens are very cheap these days and it's expected any tablet thing will have them. It'd be a laughing stock if it didn't. It comes in handy when setting up your switch, typing, etc but that's it

>>715359097
I really like the mouse controls, mainly because I primarily play on PC.

>>715357384
yeah i feel like a screen with a touchscreen is just as expensive as one without. no screen manufacturer expects to make a 8 inch display without touchscreen. nintendo probably got these from a e-waste bin

I actively do not engage with it as I don't want to smudge the screen. I also just don't like using finger touch screens. I don't know why, but it's fine with a stylus like on DS and Wii U.

>>715356925 (OP)
>No game uses it and most people use their Switches docked anyway
I tolerated being forced to buy a screen I'd never use & swapping carts being a pain in the ass for the first switch because of the price but now thats been nullified.
If they ever make a screen free switch 2 at an appropriate price I'd buy one immediately but I doubt that'll happen unfortunately.

>>715356925 (OP)
Not a lot of games utilize it given it would be something locked to handheld use, and the few that did on the switch were because of them being wii u ports like MK8DX. As per the dev interview they did actually consider dropping the touchscreen altogether for the switch 2 especially since mouse controls could serve as a replacement for that sort of thing but decided to keep it since it’d be a bit awkward for games that did use it to all of a sudden not be able to use it with the switch 2

>>715359097
Did you know that CP2077 on Switch 2 includes full keyboard and mouse support, identical to the PC version? You just plug them into the USB ports. The game even hot swaps between them and switches over all the button prompts like the PC version does. I would say it's likely that any game built for PC and ported to Switch 2 is going to include the mouse as an option. They already built those systems for the PC version, why would they strip them out when the Nintendo SDK makes it plug-and-play?

>>715356925 (OP)
It should say the very least come with a stylus

>>715356925 (OP)
For whatever reason, you can play through Omori with the touch controls.

>>715361930
>As per the dev interview they did actually consider dropping the touchscreen altogether for the switch 2 especially since mouse controls could serve as a replacement for that sort of thing but decided to keep it since it’d be a bit awkward for games that did use it to all of a sudden not be able to use it with the switch 2
This is a short-sighted outlook in my opinion. Mouse controls compliment the touch screen, they aren't a good replacement considering they're awkward to use in handheld mode. Switch 1's touch screen created a parity issue between handheld and docked. Handheld had this pinpoint input, and the best equivalent docked had is gyro control. This is why the touchscreen was rarely used, developers had to assume you might be playing docked. But the mouse is close to a 1:1 equivalent to the touch screen for docked mode. I hope developers treat it that way, and start leveraging both more often.

>>715356925 (OP)
A digital game was released on Switch at launch that only used the touchscreen and the internet called it anti consumer and called everybody a tendie for not getting upset about it so things haven't really changed in 8 years.

>>715356925 (OP)
Sole games I've used touchscreen were on visual novels (not all of them support this feature though), 51 Worldwide Games, Battle Cats as far as I remember
>most people use their Switches docked anyway
Pretty sure the majority of users swap back and forth between portable and docked, which is something I do as well (alongside of using tabletop too).

>>715356925 (OP)
I hate touch screens. I don't want a bunch of greasy fingerprints all over my screen.

>>715356925 (OP)
I've used my Switch touchscreen for Etrian Odyssey.
A real shame the Switch doesn't come with any kind of stylus though.

>>715357237
King.

>>715359097
>Absolutely nobody uses the Switch 2 in tabletop mode.
I do sometimes but mostly because the kickstand actually makes that a worthwhile option, compared to Switch 1 (non-OLED) I can control viewing angle and it'll stay fucking put no matter where I put it.

>>715361505
It's the difference between a capacitive and a resistive touchscreen, they're two completely different touchscreen technologies. Modern phone and tablet touchscreens are capacitive and use the electrical resistance of your actual flesh to track where touch input is coming from, resistive touchscreens use friction and pressure. Resistive touchscreens are way better for dexterity applications like Nintendo DS games, your hand blocks your view and you have finer control with a thin stylus.

>>715356925 (OP)
>most people use their Switches docked anyway
Why do retards keep pretending Nintendo's handhelds haven't always been more successful than their home consoles every single generation? If the Switch was a stationary home console it wouldn't have succeeded.

I barely use my switch docked.
Will probably only use the switch 2 docked when a game really needs it to run well.

>>715368174
I like handhelds for handheld games, not necessarily for the fact that they are portable.

Good. Keeps them clean.

>>715356925 (OP)
>most people use their Switches docked anyway
Most people use their Switch in handheld mode.

>>715356925 (OP)
>most people use their Switches docked anyway
is this a specific psyop people are trying to push here?
this is and has been false according to official data. more people use their switch exclusively handheld than exclusively docked, but a majority of people use both. this is obvious when you remember it's both a pokemon and smash bros machine

>>715374509
It’s an intuition thing. How many people do you know play almost exclusively handheld? Most people aren’t bringing their switches outside and when you’re home you might as well play docked to play on the big screen
Combined with you getting better performance docked anyway and the shitty battery life I don’t see why you would be playing undocked unless it’s the only option. Besides, where are YOU getting your supposed “official data”? No, your ass isn’t a source

>>715374509
[citation needed]

>>715376416
>>715376596
Nintendo themselves said so lmao

>>715377167
This tells me that the Switch made home console gaming obsolete the same way the Steam Deck makes Desktop/Laptop PC gaming obsolete.

>>715356925 (OP)
>No game uses it and most people use their Switches docked anyway,.
i still don't understand why we don't have a "switch TV" that's just a consolized switch. the fact that people have already made their own consolized switches is enough evidence that there's a market for it.

they could bundle a pro controller with it and probably hit a $200 price point easily with a higher margin due to lower parts count.

the switch lite kind of ruined the whole point of the switch in the first place since it can't hook to a TV, not sure why we can't get the other extreme. my switch V2 has sat in its dock like 99% of its lifespan, not even sure if the battery still works.

>>715377746
as in it's the worst of both worlds?
its not as powerful as a gaming laptop nor is it as powerful as a gaming desktop

>>715377954
and compared to a real handheld it's more expensive with worse battery life and worse portability

>>715359097
Switch 2 is better in tabletop mode than Switch 1 because of the new kickstand and the bigger screen, but it's still not comfortable.

>>715377954
I know, it's perfect

>>715378062
if valve would just update the deck every node shrink and keep the form factor we wouldn't even be having this conversation, ironically.

but valve fucking hates money apparently, if it's not coming from steam. they couldn't even get a ryzen z2 out in time, MSI beat them.

so they are unfortunately waiting too long to iterate which means nintendo is calling the shots for them in terms of feature set to compete with. it's a bad strategy when you're valve and you don't have a whole bunch of software divisions to coordinate on the new hardware, if you're in the PC hardware market you have to have a superior produce specs-wise.

hopefully they shut me up by release a refreshed deck OLED in the next few months, maybe I will finally buy one. my switch is on ebay as we speak and I don't think i'll be returning to the nintendo ecosystem until they stop being corpo faggots about bricking consoles and using game cards and shit.

>>715356925 (OP)
I figured that the reason the touch screen existed in the first place was because they were going to port some DS games and include touch screen functionality but I guess I was wrong

>>715356925 (OP)
Maybe we will see more touch support now because now the mouse can be used in place of touch in docked play.

>>715378941
Steam Deck benefited a lot from coming out partway through the Switch's lifespan, and alongside the PS4 still getting major games. It died quick once Switch 2 hype built up and PS4 lost support.

>>715379239
>It died quick once Switch 2 hype built up
This didn't happen though, it sold out and is still the highest selling and most played PC handheld, literally holding the market up on its own. The Steam Deck is never going to beat the Switch 2, but it sure as hell will kill every PC handheld in the market or coming to the market. Microsoft can't beat Valve and neither can Sony, and both can't beat Nintendo either.

>>715379895
*Steam Deck 2

>>715379895
What 2025 games are you playing on your Deck? Will anything AAA run or just indie games?

A lot use it for whatever, even Street Fighter uses it.
Based on numbers it’s still heavily 50/50 on usage with more leaning towards handheld since Japan refuses to touch anything that can’t be taken with them to work

>>715380243
>What 2025 games are you playing on your Deck?
Armored Core VI, Street Fighter VI, Warhammer 40k Space Marine II
>Will anything AAA run or just indie games?
Steam Deck 2 most definitely. Plus, I'm not expecting games to go beyond any longer. AAA is about to crash and go back to AA while indies about to take over. Japan knows how to make games and knows how to make them work. AAA industry here in the US is about to be in for a rude awakening. Sony and Microsoft will make their games work on the Steam Deck 2 and Switch 2 and AAA third parties will be forced to follow suit.

>>715380956
These games came out in 2023 and 2024. Two of them came out on PS4.

>>715356925 (OP)
I use the touch screen in handheld all the time because I’m a pc player that hates using navigating menus with a joystick.

>>715382867
You can make Doom the Dark Ages work on it at low settings with FSR on at 30FPS locked while sharping is turned up high. Plus, it doesn't matter anyway when the Deck 2 will be out in 2027.

>>715357237
wow

>>715383759
>Deck 2 will be out in 2027.
yeah im sure it will release alongside half life 3

>>715387161
Most likely, we Nintendo and Valve to give the AAA industry a good slapping. With Nintendo and Valve, indies will learn from them, AAs will learn from them, AAA would have to adapt or die. Japanese game industry will be fine but the US AAA industry better get out of their corporate authoritarian mindset and start going for small instead of big if they want to survive the coming years.

>>715387437
Deck in reality won’t do that, neither will the Xbox Rog, they’re just different PCs that they don’t have to account for since they’re below spec.

>>715388351
It will mainly due to the fact that home consoles and desktop PCs/Laptops all for gaming will be unaffordable. The Switch 2 will serve as an entry point to console gaming, the Steam Deck 2 will serve as an entry point to PC gaming. Sony and Microsoft will go third party and eventually stop completely with hardware. AAA can't afford to lock everyone out of their games and they can't afford to stay woke if they want to have a future. AAA devs better start getting with the program when it comes to the Switch 2 and Steam Deck 2, they don't have much time left.

>>715388902
You can get a PS5 or an Xbox for cheaper than a Switch 2 right now.

>>715387161
You joke but that's not out of the realm of possibility.

>>715389110
And no one cares, Microsoft is shifting away from Xbox for Windows, Sony will try to keep the PS5 going but they need the PS6 to sell and if the PS6 isn't selling with only the PS5 making up the brunt of the sales, it'll be over for them by the 11th generation. It's pretty much already over for Microsoft, they're done. Microsoft will discontinue the Xbox in a heartbeat once next gen is fully underway for their "Windows Xbox".

To people who know more about Switch OCing and OCing in general more than me, the Switch 2 runs at like 10 watts, if they devs were able to crank the wattage to like 30 watts, battery life be damned since it's bad anyway, how much more powerful could the Switch 2 be?

>>715360962

The joycon mouse mode is actually the perfect opportunity to make games that actually use the touchscreen since there’s now an alternative for docked

>>715357596
He's lamenting third world problems.

I just played Omega Labyrinth Life on my switch 2 and in that game it has a minigame where you give paizuri to an object you pick up in dungeons to reveal what it is and you can use two fingers on the touch screen to move both boobs at the same time to massage the totally not a cock
When I played the game on steam deck the touchscreen still worked but it spazzed out in that minigame trying to use two fingers at once, why is that?
Is there a way to fix it?

>>715365627

Wash your hands

>>715389340
hard to say bout around about 2x the performance

>>715357384
>>715361290
a mass produced digitizer costs literal cents. like, less than 10.
the only real cost is implementing touch drivers and software for the OS, which at nintendo's scale is also not a massive cost in the project.

i use it whenever i need to type something, but i agree it wouldn't lose much if they just cut that feature

>most people use their switch 2s docked

We get it you never leave your house, but speak for yourself.

>>715389638
That’s not going to stop you from leaving fingerprints you dumb fuck

>>715377789
>$200

Realistically, they’d be cutting out the screen, the battery, the joycons and the dock, and instead would need to produce a new shell to put everything in. If they’re including a pro controller they’re probably only saving like $30-50 in production costs.

>>715390024
Most people leave their house to actually do something of consequence, not whip out their nintendo toy in the middle of a public park or something.

>>715390030

Not going to stop you, perhaps

>>715390253
They can still track you down even if you wash your hands, tyrone. Your skin is constantly secreting oils

>>715356925 (OP)
It's pretty handy for menu navigation.

a lot of small phone like games on the shop use them too.

>>715356925 (OP)
I did not even realize this thing had a touch screen until I saw this thread

>>715360962
I wonder if they'll make another 51 classic games with an added 51 classic but what could they add that the 1st collection didn't have?

>>715356925 (OP)
why even make it a handheld if the battery is only 1h45m

>>715390094
no, only people who rarely leave their house reserve it for expeditions of consequence, most people just head out to fuck around for a while

>>715356925 (OP)
the one time i think it was useful was for drawing things in Splatoon and Mario Maker but yeah it's one of those things not a lot of people really think or care about honestly

>>715356925 (OP)
I like detaching the sjoyocns to play balatro via touchscreen.

>>715377789
>the fact that people have already made their own consolized switches is enough evidence that there's a market for it.
a couple people building something for a youtubevideo is not evidence for anything

An official consolized overclocked switch would be pretty kino ngl

>>715391398
>overclocked
is anyone going to tell him?