Did he intentionally sink the xbone or was he that much egomaniac he thought people wouldn't care?

I don't care.

He saw the writing on the wall that digital distribution is the future but he prematurely ejaculated.

He profited. He doesn't give a fuck.
Once you go public as a company, nobody gives a fuck.
You need private companies with private faces who actually give a shit to make it work; outside of rare exceptional circumstances.
That's the difference between Corporatism and Capitalism.

>>715373451 (OP)
Don was in the right to say that. He gave the 360 like 7 first-party games for in the next 2 years anyways and marketplace support for a decade after

xbox over-corrected too hard and killed themselves after this
if they had stayed the course they'd probably be in a better position ironically lmao

>>715373739
He was wrong, because it hurt his brand.

>>715373451 (OP)
His wife shorted Xbox stock, so yeah.

>new narrative is that that xbone was ahead of its time and everything they wanted came to pass only now you can't share your digital games

>>715373967
Supposedly xbox 360 sales numbers counted resales after the red ring so the one sold pretty much the same amount. It was series x that flopped.

>>715373451 (OP)
He was a convenient fall guy either way and got a golden parachute into a mobile games company before being shuttled off to a foreskin harvesting operation. Xbox was doomed either way. They burned out the entire market with their attempts to become king of shit mountain and were definitely finished by 2007-2009.
>>715373718
The difference between corporatism and capitalism is IP law. The publicly traded stock market is just a separate capitalist market grafted onto the original, not a completely different thing.

>>715373451 (OP)
I was watching a commodore 64 stream the other day and it said the game was programmed by this guy. I thought he was just a suit but no, he was once a real gamedev, back when games were made by 1 or 2 people. Maybe that's why he was bad at PR because he was a programmer nerd at heart

>>715373451 (OP)
>Makes an offhanded comment about a practice every console participates in
>Is treated as the killer of the brand
>Meanwhile picrel buys studios just to lay everyone off and makes the few xbox titles worth a damn multiplats
Make it make sense.

>try to promote the most anti-consumer console platform ever
>it deservedly completely bombs

>>715378330
But Nintendo is doing great?

the xbox 1 team were genuinely flabbergasted that their presentation didn't go over well.
corporate "people" live in a vastly different reality than the rest of us.

>>715373451 (OP)
Why blame a guy that hasn't been in xbox in 10 years and not blame >>715378192 who has been there for the last 10 years and done nothing good?

>>715378192
I remember the hype when he first got the job, and then it's just fucking betrayal after betrayal. Fuck you Phil you broke our hearts.

>>715373451 (OP)
jew unironically think cattle are cattle, kinda weird i know

>>715378562
an important lesson: no sector of society would suffer if every MBA underwent spontaneous human combustion at once.

>>715373502
Fpbp.

>>715373451 (OP)
He was just a hopelessly out of touch retarded suit. Most companies have people exactly like this btw, Microsoft was just unfortunate enough to have one as one of the public faces of the company

>>715377990
>The difference between corporatism and capitalism is
Is attachment to the government in the case of corporatism, and a system of faceless "democratized" business policy and product policy management.
As we've all learned, having a group of retards vote in the entertainment industry specifically, as a model, leads to dogshit and loss of any artistic value. In this case, Corporatism is closer to Socialism than Capitalism. Which again rolls us back to the requirement of private figures detached from both government and a faceless public culture, in order to make anything artistic or entertainment-wise because that's where such systems don't work, and never have, and never will.

>>715379264
>NOOO SISTERS THIS IS SO DYSTOPIAN, THATS WHY I BUY NINTENDO
>remotely bricks your console

>>715373451 (OP)
The latter. Mattrick made Zynga and most gaming and MS gaming profits are from mobile games like the ones Zynga makes. Xbox is a legacy brand MS doesn't care about. We are not getting another Xbox.

Gaming was over at this moment. Or at least American console gaming. Microsoft would rather have Bejeweled and Farmville than another Halo.

He was a cock-ravenous suit who figured he could get away with brazenly asking his customers to pay more for getting their data scraped.
It could've actually worked; he was just too soon to the party.

>>715378570
Because Phil is a nepobaby.

>>715373451 (OP)
He was just a suit, he pushed everything suits want like always online surveillance device with games linked to user's account. He didn't expect the goyim would revolt

So Nintendo can just straight up come out and say consoomers have no rights and they can still sell gangbusters but xbros still cope about their nogames box from the days of yore not selling was because of this leaf making an out of touch comment? Maybe if they made a decent halo game or had basically any IPs to speak of their console would have sold?

>>715378192
>offhanded comment
>in a live interview with the dorito pope himself
>double down on it when dorito pope tries to clarify

Regardless if it was offhand or not it was and is the worst public relations disaster in a brand's history. Ford does the same shit with their cars, but they don't say it to consumers' faces and Ford's CEO would never tell Ford car owners to stick with their existing Ford car when having a public discussion with Consumer Reports or Car & Driver. Musk has never done this either.

>TFW this EPIC OWN is no longer accurate
https://youtu.be/kWSIFh8ICaA?si=xkKQT-2x5ok-Dgqy

>>715379509
yes
and the reason for this is simple: nintendo fanboys have lower standards than xbox gamers

disclaimer: this is not an endorsement of either

>>715379364
Yes, Nintendo used to be a quality company, until the switch happened around 2004 when the faceless board became a substitute while the likes of Miyamoto were slowly fazed out to completion by ~2014.

>>715373451 (OP)
Thai dude retired with millions and drives a Ferrari

>>715374912
>xbone was ahead of its time
Xbone was always wrong. Don was always wrong. It is 2025 and everything Xbone wanted to be remains wrong, regardless of how much of it has become standardized. It just means that we live in a worse time than before.

>>715379642
>Nintendo used to be a quality company
*laughs in Yamauchi*
That man was so much worse than what we have now.

>>715373451 (OP)
He was just ahead of his time and applied the TV paradigm to the wrong device. Look how many people have smart TVs or dongles attached nowadays. MS saw this coming years ahead of time, they wanted the Xbox to be the device everyone streamed on, the "next TV". To some degree they succeeded, lots of people used the console for Netflix.
The problem is, a little fire stick is dirt cheap while an xbone costs hundreds. And most netflix users don't care about the other shit the xbone can do. So nobody bought it for that. Thus the Xbox got btfo as a streaming device by cheap dongles, btfo as a casual gaming device by phones, btfo as an enthusiast device by Playstation and later PC, and the rest is history.
They never recovered in part because the home console market in general is fading away. Playstation is fading as well for similar reasons, these consoles have no niche anymore and the biggest games are all on cheaper, more accessible platforms.

If Xbox released some sort of "Xbox Mini" tomorrow and it was under $100 and could stream AAA games over Gamepass, and it doubles as a smart tv dongle, it'd probably sell pretty well. The price could be subsidized by the gamepass subscription, they could even lock it down with a walled garden if they wanted.

>>715374912
That’s literally it though. Nintendo had two different executive repeat what Don said and they get defended to the death

>>715378868
Tendies prove that the jews are right about how they think of us.

>>715380174
kinect was also a failure.

>>715380174
>If Xbox released some sort of "Xbox Mini" tomorrow and it was under $100 and could stream AAA games over Gamepass, and it doubles as a smart tv dongle
And it cooks you breakfast and you can fuck it and it cleans itself up afterwards and it's an omninegate in Yugioh and honestly, it might as well do all this at this level of fantasy.

>TV TV TV*
>SPORTS SPORTS SPORTS*
>*only in burgerland
Who knew that telling half of your install base to go fuck themselves wasn't a smart move?

>>715380483
True, I don't know wtf they were thinking with that thing to be honest. It had some neat applications but who really thought it'd be a commercial success?
I guess their thought process was "we need our own wii sports"?

>>715380528
It doesn't have to run the games, just stream them over xcloud. You can already do this on a fire stick which costs $72. Basically I'm saying they could release their own xbox-branded fire stick and upcharge a little for the branding, tack on the gamepass tie-in and it'd probably make some good money. Not sure why they haven't tried it yet.

>>715380704
yeah try to time dodges with 1200ms latency.

>>715373451 (OP)
I think the documentary went over this (which he was in)
He just fucked up

>>715378868
Can really you blame them though? Interacting with your average normtard is a difficult experience, they actually parse the world through predefined prompts and have zero imaginative/critical thinking skills

>>715373451 (OP)
MS was threatened by the idea of a game console replacing the PC as the most important electronic device in a home. Stuff like PS2 Linux was their nightmare so they felt they had to enter the console space to combat Sony directly. MS corporate motto is embrace, extend, extinguish. That's their go to strategy when it comes to entering a new market.

>embrace
OG Xbox and early Xbox 360 are the embrace. Basically try to match what Sony and Nintendo were doing well. The people in charge were doing a decent job of this. They had developed some of their own franchises, they bought studios to supplement what they had, they were getting a distinct brand of western third party support, they were spending money to get Japanese dev support. Up to about 2008 the Xbox strategy seemed to be working outside of Japan.

>extend
The key to "extend" is to add a feature or features the competitor can't replicate but the consumer considers invaluable. This is where MS fucked up. Xbox Live started as a decent "extend" but Sony gradually caught up since there was nothing proprietary about it. They next considered Kinect to be this feature. Don Mattrick led the development of Kinect which is why he got to be in charge of the Xbone. Obviously Kinect fucking sucks from a consumer's standpoint. The other thing they were banking on (TV TV TV) was fed to them through bad telemetry. Sure, people turned on their Xbox to watch Netflix but that was a bonus feature, not a reason to buy an Xbox and games

>extinguish
They never got to this step lmao.

>>715379523
Nintendo bounced back from wii u in one console gen
cope harder

>>715380483
Not exactly, it sold extremely well on 360. The problem is they took that success and learned the wrong lessons with Xbone, but it sure as shit didn't fail on the 360.

>>715379523
>Musk has never done this either.

Musk upped the ante and went full retard instead. He went political , bet on the wrong horse and alienated tesla's main base just to end up pleasing no one. He will serve as an important case study on learning on how to shut the fuck up and keep your appearances neutral

>>715381510
The Super Bowl ad for Switch alone was a better marketing push than anything WiiU got by miles. WiiU's marketing was catastrophically terrible.

>>715380084
No, he really wasn't. It's during his era that Nintendo also had a policy, before Microsoft, and around the same time as Sony, of subsidizing private developers, giving them coding support and system compatibility teams, and encouraging independent creative endeavours which was the most important. That's what made the 90s part of the golden age of development. It's in the mid 2000s that this joint philosophy stops across the companies. Because a socialized mentality of consolidating and leaving everything to faceless voting systems as the main arbitration method, on top of government involving itself on a political level to control "the face of the nation" in the labels, pulled the rug from under the artistic and entertaining part of entertainment and art.

>>715373451 (OP)
he knew people with bad internet were an outlier not the norm
but they were also packaging digital only and cameras
bit of a blunder

Dorito Pope really went and rapid fire sunk him, like it was insane.

>>715373451 (OP)
>documents showed Xbox correctly predicted PS4 was going to launch at $399
>charge $499 for Xbone because fuck you we're Xbox

You can blame the always online stuff or whatever but if they didn't reveal that so early, the PS4 would've launched with the exact same stuff, but forcing the $499 price point under the assumption people just had infinite brand loyalty was suicidal.
Mind you, the PS3 never outsold the 360 in the US, this was still far and away Xbox territory at the time of 8th gen launch. It was basically a parade of unforced errors.

>>715373451 (OP)
He had the right idea, only he forgot he wasn't working for Nintendo.

>>715373451 (OP)
Xbox 360 was on top so the executives had huge egos and thought they could do whatever they wanted. Fuck around and find out.

>>715381653
I still don't understand how he thought pandering to the EV-hating, gas-guzzling crowd while alienating the EV-loving, gas-hating crowd would work out for his EV brand. Guess that's why CEOs normally just snort coke instead of visiting the k-hole.

>>715385174
Because his entire goal was infiltrating the government and dismantling regulatory agencies getting in the way of his and other billionaire interests and the easiest way in was team up with a candidate who will whore himself out to anyone with a large following

>>715380174
>If Xbox released some sort of "Xbox Mini" tomorrow and it was under $100 and could stream AAA games over Gamepass, and it doubles as a smart tv dongle, it'd probably sell pretty well. The price could be subsidized by the gamepass subscription, they could even lock it down with a walled garden if they wanted.

They already have that but didn't release it because streaming isnt cost efficient

>>715379596
I just sold Death Stranding 2 after finishing it. It's the same exact way it was then.

>>715373451 (OP)
work for any company long enough and you will realize corporate level workers are fucking clueless and retarded, he did it because he thought the shareholders would love the idea and completely forgot about the people who would buy it.