Are you excited for the 2nd game in the Subnautica franchise, /v/?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oK5Nr1VtJ9Q

after below 0, ill just wait for the reviews

>>715377774 (OP)

>>715377872
The reviews are going to be deliberately bad because Reddit is upset the CEO, CTO, and lead dev got fired for not doing their jobs.

>>715377883
He looks like he's gonna bust some squids

>shilling for corpos who fired the only talented people in the company over not wanting to give bonuses
Arrest yourself

>>715377774 (OP)
it looks like someone installed a graphics mod for the first game

>>715377883
la creatura...

>>715377774 (OP)
No, but I'm genuinely curious about how they'll screw this one up

>>715378017
They fired the LEAST talented people in the company because they weren't doing their jobs. One of them moved from San Francisco, where the HQ is located, to fucking Los Angeles and another was working on a shitty Christmas movie about lesbians rather than managing the team working on the game.

Hell, they're the ones that fired the sound designer for Subnautica 1 and several of the writers which is why Below Zero turned out shit.

>>715378176
Whatever you say, chuddy

>>715377883
I don't care about the Reddit whining over this game, I'm going to play as the Zesty Zoomer when the game comes out. The boys and I will have a blast.

>>715377774 (OP)
Below Zero was too shit for me to consider playing this.

>>715378237

>>715378129
Take your pick:
>Multiplayer focus
>Gay little wrist-propellers instead of Seaglide
>Early Access
>Was supposed to come out in 2023, now delayed to 2026
>Lead devs got fired for never doing any work

>>715378176
The leaked documents support the publisher in firing the 3 lead devs, who fucked off and weren't even working on the project. Game is supposed to be 10 chapters long, they wanted to release it with only 1 chapter playable and minimal features. Publisher said it was unacceptable and wanted 3 playable chapters and more features. Probably why they got shit canned. If after so long you only have 1 chapter playable, wtf have you been doing with your time?

Is it true that the CEO or some other higher up was funneling money away from the project and towards some AI generated Christmas themed fetish movie?

>>715378302
Below Zero was shit because they jettisoned all the people who knew what they were doing for having wrongthink.
From what I understand, the idiots who jettisoned the competent people were fired and replaced, which is why Reddit is so salty.

>>715378502
The CEO, a man named Charlie "Flayra" Cleveland, sold the company to Krafton for $500 million with the promises of a $250 million bonus in royalties if they managed to hit deadlines. Instead of hitting deadlines, Flayra spent his time working on a Christmas movie script. He AI generated posters of it. Apparently it was about lesbians.

>>715378750
This is by Flayra, by the way. This is what he was doing instead of heading development. Development he was promised millions for if he did his job.

>>715377969
good, you'll downvote it for black people
everybody wins except people who enjoy subnautica.. hehe.. not me..

>>715378852
He even launched a podcast discussing making this film while, again, HE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE WORKING ON SUBNAUTICA 2.

This is why he got fired.

>>715378881
I love Subnautica. The first one. I just treat it as if it was a once-in-a-decade indie masterpiece without a sequel like Cave Story.

>subnautica 1 nitrox is ''a few weeks away from release''
I'll just play that with my normalfag friend instead

>>715379305
I didn't realize how bad Subnautica 1's performance was until I went back and replayed it last year for Halloween. My PC chugged and yet it plays E33 just fine.

>>715378017
>the only talented people
you mean the same CEOs who did the exact same thing during the developement of below zero? The sequel that was so fucking bad everyone collectively memoryholed it?

>>715379727
Flayra, that very dev, is also the one who fired Simon Chylinski for making an attack helicopter joke back in 2016 as well as saying that immigrants don't magically change cultures when they migrate somewhere so if you invite all of Africa to live in your country you become Africa.

>>715377774 (OP)
Pay the devs the $250 million they're owed

>>715377774 (OP)
Find something else to force

>>715381406
What force?

>>715377883
He's got a little sugar in his tank

>>715378974
what an absolute retard.

>>715382249
This. I can't believe people are getting upset on his behalf.

>>715377883
And there it is.. I won't be getting g the game.

>>715382442
He's not the main character. The game has 4 preset characters to choose from (for multiplayer purposes) and he's one of the 4.

>>715377774 (OP)
Not really, no.
>Captcha: NAH0k

>>715377774 (OP)
I don't understand the $250 000 000 bonus, it make no sense, at $40 a copy after vat and steam cut (lets be generous) it means the game must sold over 6 millions copies to reach that number. And that number is the bonus the publisher want to pay the dev so the target might be even higher.

>>715382829
Apparently it's a bonus in royalties, meaning if the game doesn't sell they don't get the bonus either.

>>715378176
Based if true, Also the fact that the new people stated the old staff was going to cut stuff to release early is crazy. I would rather wait till next year and have more content

>>715382728
I don't know why so many people were offended by Rylay in Subnautica 1. He doesn't even speak. He's just some mutt corpo-slave who miraculously survived a crash landing and has to avoid becoming seafood's food.

There were way worse things to point out about Subnautica 1.

>>715377774 (OP)
>Are you excited for the 2nd game in the Subnautica franchise, /v/?
I really, really liked Subnautica. I'm obsessed with underwater games, and I'm absolutely starved for them.

But no. I have absolutely Zero Hope for this game.

I was actually willing to believe the studio has learned their lesson with Bellow Zero but any and cautious optimism I had instantly died when they first officially announced Subnautica 2... as a multiplayer-focused live-service mircotransaction heavy game.

The recent clusterfuck and the awful new trailers just confirmed what I knew for awhile.
Absolutely nobody involved in this game knows or cares about how to make a good game. Even if Cleveland somehow got his shit together, the publisher direction made absolutely sure it's going to be trash anyway.

>>715383037
I don't think it was intended to be live service or have MTX in it. It was supposed to be like Subnautica 1 where the Early Access release dropped and you'd get frequent updates as the devs worked on the game. EA Subnautica was great. Hell, the Early Access versions of Below Zero were better than the final product.

>>715383026
Oh I agree with you, actually. You don't even notice you're playing as a black unless you look at your hands, which will be covered by gloves for 90% of the game. His hair looks fucking dumb, but that's about it.
I do have a problem with the devs firing the sound guy and somehow forgetting everything that made the first game so good.

>>715383234
Riley was a mystery mutt as expected from a corporate interstellar nation in the future. He was too light to be black.

>>715383234
I don't think La Creatura is more than 13% black. He looks mainly East Asian with some SEAsian and Taco Bender in him.

Firing Simon Chylinski, the Sound Designer AND musician for being a chud was a terrible choice. I'm so glad Flayra had it happen to him but by an even bigger fish.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nf30qQzw7rk

Getting sick of these fucking fish, man.

>>715382829
$250,000,000 was only claimed by Jason Schreier (yes, that kike, the one you're thinking of) and one of the fired devs, the one who was working on his Christmas movie instead of Subnautica 2.

I was gonna buy, but after all the krafton shit is coming out, I'm just gonna pirate it or something. Don't deserve my money.

>>715383585
GET OFF MY LIGHT POLE YOU FUCKING SUSHI!

>>715383585
I wish there was a more extreme way to deal with them. I want to collect them and feed them to sand sharks.

>>715377774 (OP)
Nah, not really after Below Zero. The gameplay was fine, just like with the first one, but it's one of the rare instances where the fucking MC not shutting up pissed me off to no end.

>>715377774 (OP)
I gonna rape it.

>>715383709
Why? The Krafton shit is a good thing. Workshy leftist lead devs who missed their deadline by 2 and a half years got canned while the rest of the staff was left untouched. The ones responsible for the shitshow that was Below Zero are gone.

>>715383836
You just wake up early or are you on a night shift?

>>715377774 (OP)
Nice trailer! Why did they show the first game instead of the new one though?

>>715382587
Still not getting a game like this if I cant make my own character.

>>715383979
They didn't show the first game, that's the new one. All the fish are different.

>>715383998
CaC would be nice for multiplayer but it doesn't matter in singleplayer when you can't see yourself anyways.

>>715383026
>Gets mass shooting statistics
>Forgets the part 90% of those mass shootings are black gangs killing other black gangs
>If you ever brought up this point xer would start malding like a madman
Why does this happen every single time?

>>715384329
It's okay, he got fired by based Krafton and now Reddit is malding over it.

>>715377774 (OP)
>Are you excited for the 2nd game in the Subnautica franchise, /v/?
i'm mildly excited after krafton started cleaning house at unknown worlds, but at the same time it will probably be in ea hell until 2030.

>>715383234
>somehow forgetting everything that made the first game so good
I don't think they ever knew. The more I learn about Subnautica's development, the more I come to believe that the game was a complete fluke. Take >>715383026 for example. They didn't choose to have no weapons in the game for the effect it would have on gameplay by making even basic enemies a threat and for the tension caused by not just being able to shoot your way past every obstacle, they did it because of the dev's political views. That decision being beneficial to the game was a complete accident. They had no idea what the fuck they were doing with Subnautica 1 and just stumbled into a great game.
The firing of those guys actually gives me a small amount of hope that the sequel might be good.

>>715384571
I'd reckon Subnautica 1 was great because the lead devs were bumbling idiots but the rest of the devs were fantastic at their jobs. The game is great even if the leader is retarded.

What ended up happening, though, is a lot of those original devs got fired by the lead devs which is why Below Zero turned out to be complete shit. The leaders reasserted control over the project and got rid of anyone who could've made it a success.

>>715383165
>I don't think it was intended to be live service or have MTX in it.
Well that obviously depends on the question "intended by whome"?

It was very clear that it wasn't intended by Cleveland, and likely most of the former Unknown World team.
It was very, very obviously ALWAYS the intention of Krafton though. You know, the guys who actually own the IP now.
And the fact that announcement by Krafton was actually followed almost immediately by absolute fucking PANIC from Cleveland and the co. was just another piece of evidence that this whole thing is FUCKED. Completely and utterly fucked.

>>715383438
HIs design is entirely based off the Bajau people, an australoneasian ethnic group who live near Philippines. They are famous for having genetic abnormalities that make them better predisposed to aquatic life, such as enlarged spleens ability slow down their heart rate, allowing them to dive deeper than normal humans.

>>715384879
>There's a subspecies of humans adapted for aquatic environments
Well shit, you learn something every day.

>>715384571
>They didn't choose to have no weapons in the game for the effect it would have on gameplay
Actually, they did. The decision to forgo guns had absolutely nothing do with Sandy Hook and wasn't even pitched by Cleveland.

He just... lied about that. The decision to forgo guns was pitched by one of the A.I. coders, and it was entirely motivated by the original plan to focus heavily on complex A.I. routines, something that was supposed to be THE selling point of the game, THE stand-out mechanic. The core gameplay was intended to revolve around you learning how to take advantage of the distinct and unique behavior of each big dangerous fish. Obviously, you having a way to shoot them would not only detract from that, it would straight up send you on an entirely wrong track.

Most of this idea was scrapped later into the development, but some remnants of the advanced A.I. code still remain. Did you know you can tame those Kelp Forest sharks?
Yeah, you can. You can even train them to collect resources for you.

Cleveland ended up lying a lot. In fact, by the time they were switching gears to work on below zero, he didn't do anything but lie.

He genuinely went completely and utterly mental during the later stage of development.

>>715377883
Jus' down-right peculiar...

>>715378017
retard

>>715378494
This is the real issue with me and trusting the guys they fired.
Below Zero was what? 5 fucking years ago? The fuck have you been doing in all that time? With all that new support once you were bought out? All that money?
Subnautica went from a prototype to feature complete in about 5 years. It went from a pitch demonstration at game shows to a major release.
Here, now, they can't even get a chapter done in that time frame. So what are we supposed to do? Take 10 times this long to get a feature complete 10 chapter game? I have to wait 5 years for a chapter?

They were fucking around and doing anything but what they were supposed to. Making a fucking Christmas movie.

>>715384815
>I'd reckon Subnautica 1 was great because the lead devs were bumbling idiots
Subnautica's development was INCREDIBLY bumbling overal, not because of the leadership, but because that is just the way the whole team decided to approach the project.

They tried A LOT of different ideas and shifted gears entirely five or six times during the development.

The game started out as a voxel based underwater minecraft clone, complete with terrain-manipulation-based mining and purely proc-gen environments.
Then they abandoned the proc-gen and pivoted hard into the ecological simulation with emphasis on complex A.I., then they dropped that instead decided to make the core gameplay revolve around system of genetic manipulation, meanwhile they also completely flip-floped on the question of how much of an ecology simulation the game is supposed to be (about 4 years into the game's development they still insisted in no respawn system for the fish)... then they actually pivoted back into combat for a while with emphasis on base defense...
It was all over the place.

But here is the important thing. ANYTHING that Cleveland said about the game's development and direction post 2015 is a lie. Just straight up, bold-faced lie.

It's not that he was a bumbling idiot carried by the team. It's that at some point he decided to completely re-write the history of the game's development.

>>715377774 (OP)
Not after Below Zero killed any interest I had in the series.

>>715385846
>They were fucking around and doing anything but what they were supposed to. Making a fucking Christmas movie.
Actually they developed an entire game in the mean time. It was in development for nearly three years. It was a turn-based strategy called Moonbreaker. Released in late 2024.
Apparently it wasn't very good but it was part of the obligations they had to Krafton after the buyout.

>>715384571
>hey didn't choose to have no weapons in the game for the effect it would have on gameplay by making even basic enemies a threat and for the tension caused by not just being able to shoot your way past every obstacle, they did it because of the dev's political views
Except that whole post is just Flayra virtue signaling. There were no guns in the game before that already. The lines about only giving you a knife due to it being a corporate hellhole dystopia were already present. That post was made just after some other shooting. Flayra is a faggot and he was taking advantage of the game's already present design to be a good little goy.
I was part of EA for Subnautica well before it came out. They tested a lot of shit, and a lot of shit was reworked. The Knife was always the only overt "weapon"

>>715386443
I thought it was a neat idea. Putting in a painting system so you could really make your dudes yours was an idea I hadn't seen in anything but real tabletop model games.
But then it was a gacha and I lost all interest.

>>715386829
>I thought it was a neat idea.
I thought it was fucking stupid but to each his own. The more relevant thing here is the fact that Moonbreaker was apparently more a Krafton testing and assessing whenever Unknown Worlds have the technical competence to be trusted with Subnautica 2, as both the absolute mess of Below Zero, and the fact that UW has not developed a multiplayer-focused title since Natural Selection 2, made Krafton question whenever it wouldn't be better to hand over the Subnautica IP to someone else. This is why Krafton was happy to scrap the originally planned singleplayer story mode for Moonbreakers.

>>715377883
That boy ain't right

I'm more hyped now that I know that Charlie Cleveland is off the project. Fuck that guy.

>>715377774 (OP)
It looks great. What's the issue?

>>715387740
While cleveland was a cunt, he was also the only thing keeping Subnautica 2 from becoming a games-as-service microstransaction hell.

>>715388086
I don't believe that for a second considering they released a game after Below Zero that was MTX hell.

>>715388834
Except Moonbreakers was planned to be a multiplayer only game since it was first pitched in 2017.
Subnautica 2 was not.

It's up to anyone's guess whenever Cleveland would ultimately succeed in talking Krafton down or not. I'm pretty sure he was removed precisely because of this particular creative difference issue to begin with.

Either way, Cleveland's removal does not improve the games chances one bit. In fact it's pretty clear confirmation that the game is absolutely, 100% fucked now.

>>715386198
it wasn't that bad. the only real issue was robin and al-an. if they both just shut the fuck up sometimes it would have been a great game.

>>715386198
>>715389713
oh and also if the AI didnt keep trying to scam me and tell me to kindly do the needful

>>715382829
>I don't understand the $250 000 000 bonus, it make no sense
Because it is a lie from someone who is so stupid they are not able to lie plausibly. The most generous take is that there is some impossible clause in the contract where if Subnautica 2 sells 2x better than GTAV, they can make up to $250M.

>finally fire the braindead millenials because they forgot they were paid to work
So who are they actually bringing in to finish/fix this?

>>715391626
>So who are they actually bringing in to finish/fix this?
They guy responsible for most of Calisto Protocol, believe it or not.

>>715392026
as long as I can use creamAPI to give myself all of the drowning animations, I'm sure they can pull this off.

>>715389713
I dunno.
They completely fucked up the on land sections. So much so it soured the whole area to me.
On foot you feel clunky.
The hover bike controls like ass.
The worm can't kill the bike in one hit, so its just the tedium of getting off, repairing it, and continuing your slow trip across the ice.
Not to mention the main area with the lab has a lot of switchbacks and tunnels, which made me get lost repeatedly.

Its just poorly designed in general.
When you're underwater the game is fine.

>>715391626
The other 100 devs are still working on the game. It'll be fine.

>>715389713
you could replace the mc and delete al-an and the map will still be too small and too much wasted on land sections for a vehicle you didn't even need to use.

>>715393062
>>715392560
Not to mention the creature designs suck. None of the leviathans are scary. The Shadow Leviathan can still glitch you through a wall (the main reason I never finished the game - it clipped my fucking PRAWN Suit through a wall and I lost a ton of progress). The caves fucking suck worse than the land segments. The story is shit compared to the first game. The music is shit compared to the first game.

Oh, and the Sea Truck sucks. I would much rather have had the Cyclops and Seamoth back.

>>715392026
Didn't that game also fucking suck?

>>715389180
I dont follow dev of this game but surely the devs can put their heads together and agree what a subnautica game is supposed to be

>>715393260
the cyclops would only highlight just how tiny the map is

>>715393260
I wish there was a bit more work put into the seatruck. I think it had a chance to be actually good, and the idea of it is, but the design of the world just doesn't really work for most any vehicle. I hope they learn and play around with the idea a bit in 2, which I'm somewhat hopeful for given the trailer showed what seemed like shark fin (booster?) attachments on the side of the tadpole sub.

>>715377883

>>715377774 (OP)
maybe I'll grab it on a deep discount it probably won't be worth it full price
shame that the sound will probably still be shit

>>715393452
>Didn't that game also fucking suck?
Yeah, absolutely. Krafton is a really fucking AWFUL publisher, all things considered.

>>715393701
>I dont follow dev of this game but surely the devs can put their heads together and agree what a subnautica game is supposed to be
They can and I have no doubt they did.
But it does not matter because they don't get to actually decide shit. Krafton runs the show. As demonstrated by them firing anyone who had any actual history and creative vision for it recently.

>>715377883
HOMO NIGGAS

>emits a generic lion roar sound, then wiggles towards you
Name a shittier enemy design.

>>715396383
>supposed to be ambush predator
>actually spastic retard that constantly jumps in and out of the sand and screams every fifteen seconds
I avoided making a base in the grassy biome not because they were scary but because they were annoying

>>715396383
>>emits a generic lion roar sound, then wiggles towards you
>Name a shittier enemy design.
It really makes me wonder what the fuck the was the original plan for these guys in terms of A.I.
I know for a fact these are some of the oldest enemies in the game, so they had to have some kind of gimmick in mind for them.

>>715396615
It was probably actually supposed to ambush you. Sit camouflaged in sand, then burst out and attack when you got close. Like several real world flatfish.
But those kinds of enemies without sufficient tells are annoying as fuck. And they already had the dart plants and the exploding fish, so maybe they scrapped it because they already had like 3 ambushers and just needed something up front and obvious but not as strong as the bonesharks.

>>715379164
Those sea caves are filled with diamonds and nickel.

>>715377883
Nigga lookin moist
Nigga looks a little light on his O2
Nigga looks like his fins match his snorkel

>>715383026
It may be for stupid reasons but subnautica not having guns was objectively a good choice. If you could just deal with every leviathan by unloading a machinegun into them they'd feel even less threatening than they already are.

>>715396782
>It was probably actually supposed to ambush you.
There had to be more than that to it. The point of the whole planned A.I. emphasis was that every one of these major critters was supposed to be actually useful to you in some way that you had to figure out. Very few of that got actually implemented in the end (only Stalkers actually do something interesting), but these bastards were quite literally designed back when these kinds of complex behaviors were literally the core design element of the game. I'd love to see the design documents from that stage of the development.

>>715383026
removing guns from videogames doesn't incentivize gun control

if you want more gun control then go bitch at the government, you are just pissing off potential customers especially in EUROPE where ironically there's more gun control and people love guns in games, fucking retards

>>715397084
They didn't not put guns in because of that faggot's reasons. He just fucking lied about that for good boy points from his twitter friends.
The whole thing about only having a knife was implemented long before all of that, for valid in universe reasons. The Faggot just took the opportunity to virtue signal because he's that kind of faggot.

>>715397256
Was that back when there was still voxel terrain manipulation?
Maybe they did something related to that. Seems like a creature that buries itself in sand would be a good candidate for mining in sand or something like that.

>>715397340
I 100% believe you because making the player mostly helpless is a braindead obvious decision for a game like Subnautica

>>715377883
All the shitposting has made me ironically like this lil nigga.

>>715397459
>Was that back when there was still voxel terrain manipulation?
Yes. The idea to focus on interesting fish A.I. was the games first shift in direction right after they scraped the original proc-gen plan, basically, the first stage of the game's real development.

The voxel terrain manipulation wasn't scrapped until almost two years later if my memory still serves me. It stuck around for a VERY long time. The whole A.I. thing was actually abandoned long before the voxel terrain manipulation was, the studio pivoting to another gimmick that also never saw the light of a day: genetic manipulation. You were supposed to collect DNA from all the various creatures and then inject yourself with it, gaining their special abilities which would then serve as ways to get past the environmental gating.

The DNA mixer was actually still in the game as a model (available through console) until 1.0.

>Maybe they did something related to that.
That is a VERY good point, actually. And yeah, this idea does date back to the time when you actually had to physically mine sand voxels to get quartz for glass... You are probably onto something.

>>715397528
>I 100% believe you because making the player mostly helpless is a braindead obvious decision for a game like Subnautica
NTA but as someone who has been obsessively following Subnautica's development since the fucking day it popped up on steam, I can confirm that he is 100% right.

The decision to not arm the player was purely pragmatic gameplay consideration, the idea wasn't even proposed by Cleveland but the lead coder, though Cleveland was unsurprisingly onboard with it immediately.

The sandy hook thing is a lie, from an era when Cleveland straight up went mental. He genuinely fucking lost his mind for like two years there.

And to be completely honest... I kinda understand why.

>>715398019
the DNA splicing still being in the EA content leak does not bode well

>>715378017
the audio guy from original game got booted for some really milktoast libertarian posts on twitter
karma for these fuckwits to get fired now
i am laffin that another bunch of leftist morons got their money stolen

>>715398325
>the DNA splicing still being in the EA content leak does not bode well
Wait, there was a EA content leak for subnautica 2 already?
And it contains the DNA mixer data?

Because if that is the case, I honestly believe it's much more likely that they just decided to give it another go, rather than them working off a Subnautica 1 build so old that it wasn't sanitized.

>>715377774 (OP)
Ready to play the 1.0 release in 2030

>>715386443
>but it was part of the obligations they had to Krafton
First time I've heard of that since they started it before the buyout. Did Krafton really forced them to make a shitty game?

>>715398604

I can't tell if they accidentally made the first Subnautica good or not. Whenever the devs say things about what they want Subnautica to be it seems like they genuinely don't understand what made the first one so good.
Going from being alone and isolated in 1 to constant chatting and talking and showing other people being badass in below zero was bewildering to see.

I can only presume the core design and beliefs changed when that audio design guy got fired after the first and they started talking about how there were no guns because of sandy hook and that it's important for below zeros main character to not wear gloves in a below zero aquatic environment to show they are black.

>>715399175
How did the donut steel granny in below 0 even survive the Kharaa for 10 fucking years when it kills you in 2 weeks? Did they even make an attempt to explain that anywhere in the game?

>>715377774 (OP)
not buying more early access shit, i gave them the benefit of the doubt with subnautica 1, but that's a one time thing, you're established now you don't get to keep doing fucking early access shit, sell me the full game or fuck off

>>715377883
Dios Mio

>>715378494
>chapters
What does that even mean?

>lots of positive reviews
>"Surely /v/ was wrong this time"
>all the reviews are just saying the game is shit and that they still rated it positive
Wtf

>>715399175
Looks at the games they made, Natural Selection is a nice mod but Subnautica is legit the only decent game they released and it only happened because they couldn't add a bunch of shit that would ruin it

>>715383026
No one was, it was just jokes calling him a weird looking mutt

>>715377774 (OP)
Why are there a bunch of redditors in the comments getting mad that shitty woke devs that made BZ got fired?

>>715378017
Under no circumstance will I support progressive leftists that go out of their way to push their ideological agenda.

>>715399335
Something something
peepers carried the cure to the whole planet? Maybe?
Eating Leviathan flesh slowed it down? Maybe?

No they never addressed it.

>>715399620
Because their brains are set to "corporation bad" mode and they're unable to think about the nuances a situation might have - ie. that the plucky indies were in fact lazy retards and the corpo only fired them for not doing their jobs for 2+ years.

>>715398891
>First time I've heard of that since they started it before the buyout.
It's true that the concept for Moonbreakers was around since 2017, but the actual development did only start after the buyout.

As for Krafton forcing them... I'm going to be frank - there is a lot of chatter about this but very little solid evidence as far as I can tell.
The popular theory I've seen circulating among the old Subnautica fanbase is that Krafton did ask UW to first work on something smaller and more importantly, heavily multiplayer focused before letting them pick up the Subnautica 2 first. Word was that Krafton was always after the Subnautica IP, and was kinda forced to buyout UW with it, since Cleveland and co. would only agree with that being a package deal, which is understandable. I was dubious about these claims that seeing what happened recently, it does kinda seem to fit.
Anyway, the core idea of Krafton's vision for subnautica was always pushing towards multiplay, and that was something UW actually haven't touched for more than a decade. So they wanted to see if UW can actually handle that. UW figured out their old Moonbreaker concept would be ideal for that demonstration and probably were pretty happy they could take a break from Subnautica as well, so a deal was made. UW would do their little turnbased online game to show they have the skills, and Krafton would not forcefully yank the IP from them.

This, again, all comes from chatter among people from the old Subnautica community, and I don't have a single actual link confirming any of it, so... keep that in mind. It makes sense but that does not mean it's true.

>>715399394
Presumably just an easy way to break up the story/game segments
So in Subnautica 1 everything up to going back into the Aurora to fix the drive would be Chapter 1
Then from there to the Sunbeam showing up would be Chapter 2.
etc.

>>715386829
It's a neat idea but it should've been like Tabletop Simulator. They wasted tens of thousands of dollars by making their own 3D artists make specific models for specific characters/units that nobody cared about.

>>715399527
Mostly because lefties know the game is bad too, but they don't want to give the "chuds" any ammo.

>>715386098
>ANYTHING that Cleveland said about the game's development and direction post 2015 is a lie. Just straight up, bold-faced lie.
>It's not that he was a bumbling idiot carried by the team. It's that at some point he decided to completely re-write the history of the game's development.
So he's truly George Lucas Jr.

>>715399335
You have no idea how insanely butchered and stitched together BZ's plot is. Fun fact, your sister was supposed to be alive and be your primary on-radio contact until like... 4 months before release. That is how fucking insane that story development was.
It's a miracle that it makes any sense at all. And trust me, despite the complete chaos and frankly amateurism of the final story, it's 1000% better than what it was planned to be.

>>715399175
>I can't tell if they accidentally made the first Subnautica good or not.
There was nothing accidental about both games. Yes, they meandered a lot with their designs, but honestly, that is not really uncommon. The only thing that makes subnautica's meandering unique is the fact that we got to watch every single step of it, due to how absurdly open the development was.

And below zero also wasn't accidentally bad, it wasn't a product of them misunderstanding the appeal.
It was quite literally bad on purpose.

>>715396383
i don't even remember sand sharks
i do remember bonesharks because they always ate my seamoths

>supposed to be 30% complete mid-2023
>not yet 30% in 2025
And they want bonuses?

You play as a black guy in the first game you fucking idiots

>>715398358
>milktoast

why do they never put asian girls in these games?

>>715399972
That makes a lot of sense and is very sensible
>Buy company to make Subnautica 2 but not sure if they'd be able to make it
>Ask them to make a small game to see if they're able to, probably the size of a XBLA game
>Small game take 3 fucking years to make and is absolute garbage
>Almost 5 years later the company made negative millions of dollars and will need even more years to get something out and the 3 CEOs ran way
I hope the lawsuit reveal everything, it's going to be glorious

>>715400267
This. They fucked up hard and Reddit still wants them to get their bonuses because it's "playable". Well, despite the fact that play testers when asked to rate the game all said it was shit.

>>715400238
Yeah I remember the story change, it used to be that the dumb bitch you were playing as is offered a rescue and just goes "No just send me a life support pod and I'll dick around in the hostile alien water." The story as it is is bad, but it isn't as completely nonsensical as it could have been.
I just wasn't sure if they ever bothered to explain the old lady since I could not be assed to finish the game.

>>715400237
>So he's truly George Lucas Jr.
I'm not sure about that, but I can tell you one thing: Cleveland went insane for a while there. We got to fucking watch it in real time. It wasn't pretty.

>>715399527
I enjoyed multiple playthroughs of Subnautica, but never played Below Zero. Is it really that bad?

>>715398019
>the studio pivoting to another gimmick that also never saw the light of a day: genetic manipulation. You were supposed to collect DNA from all the various creatures and then inject yourself with it, gaining their special abilities which would then serve as ways to get past the environmental gating.
This sounds like the cut Biomod feature from the leaked Subnautica 2 early access review.

>>715400401
Literally in the first trailer, bud.

>>715377883
Nah. I'm good.

>>715398604
How could they be working off Subnautica 1? That's a Unity game and Subnautica 2 is Unreal Engine 5.

>>715400465
the story is nonsense and the map is too small to have any real fun in. i guess if you like the alien/precursor stuff in the first game it might be worth a play but even that part is pretty dumb.

>>715400532
bro WTF IS THAT LMFAO

>>715400532
dios mio....

>>715400558
The hard way it is.

>>715400591
>if you like the alien/precursor stuff in the first game
literally who liked that shit? The amazing part of the game was the aquatic vistas and the scary sea monsters.

>>715377774 (OP)
All of this would've been avoided if they didn't fire their sound director.
Reap what you sow as they say.

>>715378974
lmfao never hire Californians for your project

>>715400601
Asian woman sans plastic surgery and makeup.

>>715400661
i only liked it for better alien batteries for the sub (until i got the mod that lets you put a nuclear reactor in the sub instead)

>>715400661
There's some nice looking areas in Below Zero, but it's a very vertical game (the map is about 1/3rd the length/width of the original and you actually swim slower in BZ to make it not seem as small). Lots of caves to explore and get fucked by inconveniently placed seafood.

>>715400450
>>715400238
What would the original story have been?

>>715400532
What's the alien sealife doing inside of the submarine?

>>715400687
Post face

>>715400687
She looks like a caricature of a Thai boygirl.

>>715400883
delusional, ladyboys look hot as fuck these days

I missed something in my progression. Got to the thermal facility and it needs a yellow tablet and I can still only make purple ones. I dont want to look anything up but its frustrating

>>715400776
I'm not as informed as that anon, but I'd throw a guess at it being more focused on the dormant Kharaa virus and trying to cure/kill it. Maybe, if they were somewhat competent, somewhere in there they would have explained why the arctic biome you play in was somehow either not affected or cured, which in turn would fix the plothole with turbogranny. Then something something corpos "attack" or try to otherwise get rid of you so they can keep the Kharaa for nefarious evil corpo reasons.

>>715400756
Yeah, you have to keep in mind that the environments for Below Zero were mostly in development since way, way before full release of OG Subnautica. It was being developed as just another biome for the base game, but when it became apparent they can't really polish it out (and also, that it feels pretty weird, a frozen area just few miles north of a tropical island), they just canned and figured out they could reuse it for an expansion later.
Except then the expansion became a standalone, and at that point, the teams priorities were on everything EXCEPT making the game good, so it never really grew sufficiently, being still stuck at a scale more fitting for being just one of basegame's biomes.

The idea of cutting big chunks of content originally planned for the base game is absolutely nothing new and there is nothing wrong with it. Tuissaint was originally supposed to be part of basegame Witcher 3, Kuttenberg was originally supposed to be part of KCD1 etc...
But the thing got fucked when resource allocation was so insanely mishandled for Below Zero's development.

how fit would you be if you were swimming 24/7 like in this game?

>>715400949
That's why it's a caricature. They exaggerated his proportions, particularly the angle of the eyes and the broadness of his lips to expand the face while shrinking the forehead.

>>715401000
Recheck the abandoned bases.

>>715401000
You can pick one up in the Degasi Sea Base in the Southwest corner of the map biome. You're going to be avoiding crabsquids to get it, just a warning.

>>715401154
As fit as the people who do it IRL on Earth I suppose.
You'd have that "subsistence living" build. Not stupidly strong looking like a body builder, but have basically zero body fat that isn't needed.

>>715378852
>A flash of light
Reminds me of the terrible script Alan wrote in 2.5 men.

>>715377883

>>715401154
Depends on how often you're going out for a swim. Assuming 12 hours of swimming a day, you'd need about 4,000 calories a day to maintain weight.

>>715377883
>*smacks lips*
>I CAN'T SWIM!

>>715401165
>>715401263
Damn thats annoying. Thanks, tho, thats my main mark against this game is I miss so much and Ive been traveling so far for no reason

>>715400776
>What would the original story have been?
From what I've played, it was about reminding the player that he plays as an independent smart black woman scientist that don't need no man, and who has a sister, who is also independent black woman scientist who don't need no man.

I wish I was joking, but that was genuinely what 90% of the FUCKING ENDLESS FUCKING RADIO CHATTER of the available build was about.
Actually the premise was that the two sisters suspected that the company they worked for (Alterra) was doing some illegal and immoral research on the planet, and decided to just go and investigate, with the player character being hands-on and the other sister assisting on the coms while contining to be a mole in the corporation. The build did not establish much more than the fact that there was a bunch of research labs, most people disappeared suddenly, the old hag in the Prawn was still there being completely useless, one some of the spirited away researchers were gay, and it was still unclear if the nefarious business was about weaponizing Kharaa or weaponizing some unrelated alien tech, but it was very obviously going the "corporation trying to weaponize something they don't understand" route.

>>715401427
what? a base metabolic rate is 2500 for an adult male. You think 12 hours of swimming equates to 1500 calories burned?

>>715401571
There's actually an entrance to the Lost River right next to the base. Most people find the Lost River by going through there.

>>715401694
Swimming uses a ton of different muscles. It depends on how vigorously you swim too.

>>715401694
>>715401954
Oh, and the lowest estimate I've seen is about 250 calories per hour of recreational/casual swimming 250 x 12 = 3,000 calories.

>>715401954
jesus that's insane. I recently picked up swimming laps for some cardio, I never knew it was so intense calorie wise (although I suppose I'm not swimming for an hour straight, I need to take breaks every few laps etc).

>>715401136
the canned it as an expansion because they fired they either fired the programmers who understood the codebase of subnautica 1 and so could no longer maintain it, or they wanted to tell that faggy story and therefore needed a completely new game/premise

>>715402781
Nah, they canned the ice biome for very simple and pragmatic reasons already mentioned. 1) completing the environment would further delay the game which was already 5 years in early access at that point, 2) actually reintegrating it into the plot and progression would even further delay things and 3) they also agreed that despite the game being really cartoony, the transition between the tropical and the cold regions just stretched the suspension of disbelief too far.
Again, this is absolutely normal.

At no point had the studio fired the programmers, or had any kind of problem with their codebase.

Below Zero is entirely build off base game code, and on a technical level, it's dramatically better than the base game. They genuinely polished the absolute fuck out of the trainwreck that was the base-game's code.

SubZero is trash and significantly worse than the base game on every level, except for the code, optimization, interface and so on.

>>715401805
Yeah I just missed that completely

DOOK DOOK MOTHERFUCKER

>>715377883
zesty young buck

>>715377774 (OP)
AIslop game

>>715402112
Yeah, Ryley would need to eat an entire metric 12 chickens a day to maintain his weight if he was swimming for an entire shift and a half.

>>715404453
He's been broken by Krafton.

>>715377774 (OP)
I just found out Subnautica is made by the same developer who made Natural Selection the GOATed Half-Life mod

>>715383026
>I don't know why so many people were offended by Rylay in Subnautica 1
no one was mad about the main character in subnautica 1 you newfag

>>715377774 (OP)
Just here to laugh at Flayra getting rightfully fucked.

>>715407105
They also made a sequel for said mod only to screw it over with their idiotic decisionmaking

>>715377883
yikes, no thanks

>>715377774 (OP)
mayhbe

So assuming, as low a chance as it sounds, that Subnautica 2 comes out and is at least okay and playable, what do you think the biomods and stuff will do?

>>715377872
First post. Sensible post.

>>715377969
The nattering doesn't matter. We KNOW what the failure modes of below zero and the inclinations of the current team are. They either nail it or they don't, and a few mins of game footage is going to be enough to figure it out.

>made a deal with jews (south koreans)
>get fired from your own studio and they keep all the money
Serves them right.

>>715377883
So they literally had no idea what they were doing with the first game and somehow managed to struck gold?

>>715377774 (OP)
No, nothing about it is scary.

>>715377774 (OP)
First time seeing this and I really liked Subnautica. I think it's kind of horrible actually, it misses the spot extremely hard. Especially that cthulu squid thing. Glowing eyes like it's meant to be an epic final boss... that's not what made the first game great. What made it great is that it felt like it's just natural animals dwelling in the deeps and you actually fucking feared going into big deep caves because of this. If you know there's just gonna be an epic world of warcraft squid boss at the end that kind of sucks

>>715396383
Stalkers.
They literally do nothing.

>>715377883
>aint nothing to steal on this planet, no cap

>game about swimming
>the protag should be black!
contrarians I swear

>>715414964
>They literally do nothing.
They can literally be trained to collect scrap for you.

>greed literally collapsing the industry from within without any review bombing or boycotts

You literally CAN NOT say that just players or economics are causing the collapse anymore. JUST LOOK AT THIS SHIT LMAO

>>715414964
Did you not know you can semi-tame them? Also their teeth are pretty important.

>>715414770
Pretty much, it was purely an accident that it was as good as it was. The soundtrack really helped to carry it too, so of course they fired the composer.

>>715415904
Their teeth being important is so fucking frustrating when you get further in the game and want or need to make the strong glass. Because by that time your base is 400m down and you don't want to make the trip all the way up to the surface to root around in the kelp forest for almost invisible teeth and there are no other sources of them, unlike nearly every other resource.

>>715378017
The company founders were lazy bastards but Krafton are pulling the most dirty Korean tricks in the book.

>>715377883
>Game set in the future
>All Humans are brown mystery meats with stupid hair cuts

seems accurate

>>715416116
Scanner rooms can highlight their teeth, also you can just drop scrap metal around and the stalkers will create teeth endlessly for you.

>>715377774 (OP)
No, I am convinced the first game being good was a fluke and the devs have no idea what made it good

>>715378494
Its still a bad faith move. If they could reach the revenue targets with a bare bones early access then they would have earned the right to the bonus as part of the deal they made. If not the it's not like sudden changes will magically improve the product over night.

>>715378017
Oof you haven't seen the latest news from this controversy, have you? It doesn't make the fired devs look very good.

One of them literally fucked off and started making movies in LA two years ago while he was supposed to work on Subnautica 2

no in fact i'm depressed and suicidal because what has happened. I have had to drop my meals from 5 meals to 2 meals a day. It's going to be on craptons conscience if I starve to death.

>>715416116
You can farm hundreds of teeth in a matter of minutes.
Stalkers will attack titanium slabs if they see them, and they will break off teeth as they snap them.
You can pick one piece of scrap and then drop it right in front of the stalker, and it will ALWAYS attack it, with about 90% chance they'll drop a tooth. If you are worried that he'll attack you, tame it first. You can do that by feeding them small fish. Just release one right in front of it. Each time you drop a fish for them decreases their hostility, after two or three they will become entirely harmless.

If you see a stalker carrying a piece of titanium in his mouth and feed it a fish, he will start actively collecting scraps and brining to you, by the way.

>>715377883
why, americans?

>>715377774 (OP)
Krafton fired the troons in charge, but for the wrong reasons (money, rather than to punish their aberrant existence). This gave them an opening to sue the chinks.

>>715385083
>Well shit, you learn something every day
You're at least aware of the subspecies of humans with the sherpa genes that make them abnormally adapted to climbing mountains right anon?

>>715416735
>chinks
gooks*

>>715377883
Can someone explain why this man sends /v/irgins into shrieking ranting hysterics?

>>715417061
He looks like an absolute faggot.
People don't like looking at absolute faggots. Recent history has made people extremely tired of being told that they are actually obligated to look at faggots and that if you don't like it, you are morally reprehensible, and your voice and opinion does not matter, which unsurprisingly, makes people go from being annoyed to being straight up pissed off.
That i really all there is to it.

>>715385416
>>715386491
I applaud your good intentions, but /v/ doesn't want to hear your truth and reality. it wants reasons to throw tantrums about their enemies.

>>715408717
Speaking of history revision, don't even pretend /v/ didn't have a field day crying and whining about mutts, browns, jeets, etc with Ryley ever since he was first revealed.

>>715417523
>it wants reasons to throw tantrums about their enemies.
To be fair, Cleveland did deserve nothing but absolute disdain for what he was doing by the end of Subnautica's development and for what he did to Below Zero.

I watched the guy's descent into insanity, and hell, I even feel some degree of... not sympathy but understanding of what broke him, because I've seen the gun "controversy" retardation and the la creature shit and I can see how that could drive most people to irrationality... but he is also an adult man and held responsibility for the wellbeing of his fucking employees, which can't be waved off by "he was dealing with toxic assholes a lot". Cleveland was acting like an absolute cunt and people rightfully despise him for it.

>>715417523
It doesn't need reasons, it'll throw those tantrums regardless.

>>715417061
Can you explain why they need to make it some el goblino mutt? Was never seeing their face and just wearing diving gloves too difficult, or did they want to make a point of what you are playing as even when it has no relevance to the story?

>>715417310
Since you're the expert on faggots, having studied them intimately all your life, explain how he looks like one.

>>715418184
You people lose your monkey-fucking shit if a character is anything other than a white American male, always screaming that it's DEI and attacking Caucasians and destroying civilization.

>>715416735
The lawsuit will be funny.
>how dare you fire me for not working for 2 years

>>715418217
He looks like you.

>>715418312
>>715417994
>>715417620
>>715417523
>>715417061
>this autist again

>>715418839
I'm really wondering if the fact that nobody seems to be aware of the fact that the studio actually made an entire completely new game in that time speaks poorly about people being idiots, Krafton absolutely failing to market their game, or the game being so bad that it deleted itself from public memory.

But no, UW has been working this whole time. They finished and published their last game 14 months ago, and had since pushed subnautica from pre-production to close for an EA release. That isn't slacking off.

I mean their last game was apparently a flop, and Subnautica 2 really does not look very good but that isn't because people weren't working, it's just that literally everything imaginable has been stacked against the success of the studio: one of the worst publishers outside of the evil trinity, decade of deeply entranched industry-wide malpractices, history of severe mental illness of the lead creators... it's not like it's the amount of actual work that is going to fucking save this from being a trainwreck.

>>715419479
Isn't the game over 2 years behind schedule and internally, early access delayed 2 times already, once in 2023 and one in 2024?

>>715377883
Based smug poc dabbing on ytoids
You will ACK after it sells 20M like BG3, tlou2
good games sell despite woke ;)

>>715420503
Fun fact, after firing the CEO and Execs, the latest trailer follows the white guy and white girl.

>>715420059
>Isn't the game over 2 years behind schedule
No, where the fuck did you get that from?
Krafton started negotiating purchase UWE in 2021, the deal was finalized in 2022. Immediately after Moonbreakers were announced and slated for 2024. When asked about Subnautica 2, UWE and Krafton both stated that it is planned but not until Moonbreakers are wrapped up.

Moonbreakers were released in 2024, exactly as originally planned, and shortly after, official Subnautica 2 announcement trailer was released, stating that it will enter EA in second half of 2025.

Which was confirmed by the last trailer.
What part of it could be delayed? They stated absolutely clearly in 2022 that Subnautica will not enter full development until 2024, because the studio is working on another project. You know. The game they did release, in 2024. That nobody seems to know about, but that fucking exists, and apparently, it's not even bad, its just very niche and krafton managed to sabotage it with their jewishness.

>>715377774 (OP)
I'd rather not shill for individuals and companies who don't care enough for their image to stop themselves from rollng in the mud like pigs in front of their audience.

>>715420657
You have to realize little child chuddy is a tiny fraction of any fanbase. you didn't tortanic a single good game due to 'wokism'. failguard was bad even without nonbinary. avowed wasn't great.

don't buy it if you don't wanna but at least quit the delusions of importance. their actual crowd doesn't care.

>>715419479
>>715420649
This is one of the devs btw

>>715421023
I was talking about both the devs and the publishers. I also hate both sides of the political spectrum because its clear to me that they don't care for gaming and are just there to promote their mental illness in games. I loved subnautica and didn't care for the "la creatura" spam campaign that was spammed here. I'd rather try something and see if i find something i enjoy in a game rather than take the words of impotent raging machines.

>>715422152
>"la creatura" spam campaign
Source for that?

>>715377774 (OP)
after below zero not really

>>715378237
fuck off nigga

>>715422576
This, pretty much. The sequel was already going in a pretty bad direction even before Krafton gutted the team and wrecked what was left. I'll give it a pass and maybe pick it up for a few euro in 2029 or something, if it ever even gets released, that is.

>full-on troon meltdown and damage control

>>715377774 (OP)

No, go fuck yourself nigger

>>715378017
>Demanded a bonus when they failed to meet their deadlines by 2 years which got them fired
That's pretty ballsy

>>715420649
>it's not even bad

Also see
>>715399034
>>715399084

>>715383026
>subnautica is one vote to a world with less guns
>knife attacks on the rise

>>715398358
Didn't he make fashwave follow up album? Losing him was another reason below zero sucked, but I find it hard to believe he was milquëtoast.

>>715400465
If you liked the first one for the feeling of being alone on an alien world, you won't like the second one with the constant chatter and nagging while you play.

And I generally like audio logs and such in games like this, but holy shit, shut the fuck up, game.

>>715378017
>the only talented people in the company
they fired higher-ups, not developers

>>715378017
They fired the CEO though, not the dev team.

>>715420649
>Make shitty vaporware for 3 years
>CEOs ran away
>Subnautica 2 look like an absolute dumpster dire
>Not a single dev say a thing about the studio being a shitshow
>Devs learn there was a 250 millions bonus
>Oy vey, actually the game was completed 40 years ago, it's ready to release NOW, now give me my money
Funny how that work

>>715377883
>Post smug Zestoid
>Go to sleep
>Wake up with 20 (You)s
It's that easy

>>715431438
>Make shitty vaporware for 3 years
You quite literally don't know what the word "vapor ware" is, and apparently, you also can't count to 3.
>CEOs ran away
He didn't run away. He was fired. That is actually the opposite of running away. English isn't your strong suit, is it?
>Subnautica 2 look like an absolute dumpster dire
On that I happily agree. It looks fucking atrocious. I think it was pretty fucking obvious that the game is doomed since the announcement, the recent trailer very much confirmed it.
>Not a single dev say a thing about the studio being a shitshow
Wait, what? Why would devs talk about the studio being a shitshow? what the fuck are you talking about?
>Devs learn there was a 250 millions bonus
Well you can't count to 5, so I suppose it's understandable that you believe the 250 million dollar bonus story. If knew what numbers are, you would not believe a word of it.
>Oy vey, actually the game was completed 40 years ago
The game so far isn't in any way delayed. That is a fact.