>Fun? Not if I have anything to say about it
>*Builds aimbot machine*

>>715386921 (OP)
This. Also you're ugleh.

>>715386921 (OP)
Just use demoman dumbass. He's the easiest class in the game and counters engie

Engie is unironically more broken than sniper

Aimbot machine? Not if I have anything to say about it.

>Put sentry behind something
>Enemy team can just destroy it by slightly peaking from around the corner
>Put it directly in the enemy teams path
>Gets destroyed from afar
I cant win no matter what.

>bitching about sentry guns when 3 out of 9 classes destroy them with ease

>>715388262

playing engineer is so fun

>>715388315
>makes the sentry much less powerful as it is no longer an aimbot machine
>still easy to kill the engi next to it with pipes or rockets

aight chuds i havent played tf2 in years, do i still need to buy $5 worth of shitty cosmetics ti use basic features such as chat and voice comms?

>Equip Wrangler
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WHAT DO YOU MEAN I HAVE TO... KILL THE ENGINEER WHO IS POINTING A LASER POINTER AT ME, THUS LEAVING HIS BUILDINGS COMPLETELY DEFENSELESS AND HIS SENTRY DISABLED FOR MULTIPLE SECONDS WHEN HE DIES, OR IF NEEDS TO REPAIR HIS SENTRY OR WANTS TO TURN THE AIMBOT MODE BACK ON!? THIS IS LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE, SOLDIERS AND DEMOMEN ARE BEING OPPRESSED!

>>715388606

>>715388450
you can buy a 99 cent nametag to enable everything

>>715388656
That's a verbatim quote from Zesty Jesus video.

>>715388081
I like putting them in dumbshit areas that no one would ever think of. It eventually gets destroyed but when it does you get a decent bit of critz.

>>715386921 (OP)
It's not an aimbot machine. It's a zoning tool. You're not supposed to engage sentries in fair combat, you are simply supposed to not walk where the sentries are and either find a way to destroy them or walk around.

>>715388729
>just pay up goy!

>>715388606
I say this

>>715386921 (OP)
>lock n loads in your direction

>>715388935
>NOOOOOOOOOOO 99 CENTS IS TOO MUCH LE JEWS LE JEWS
You're brown.

>>715388606
The only thing that's bullshit about the Wrangler is that the 66% damage reduction stays on while the sentry is deactivated. So even if you kill the engineer you still can't do shit to the sentry right up until it's almost able to shoot back. And if he needs to repair his sentry, guess what? He can just swap weapons, repair it while keeping the 66% damage reduction, and then swap back.
It's such a bizarre little detail that goes completely against the whole point of the weapon. I don't understand how they fumbled it.

>>715389032
>You're brown
I see that the noses-in-chief have found their slogan for convincing the white man to do their bidding. Do as you are told, or you are brown, and question nothing.

>>715388450
No, F2Ps are able to talk again

>n-n-n-no 99 cents is tooooo much for the best FPS in the past 20 years, y-y-y-you're a j-j-j-j-jew!
b r o w n

>>715389351
who are you quoting?

>>715389351
all games should be free
actually, games should pay me to play them

>>715389650
>games should pay me to play them
TF2 does this if you know how to trade

>>715388262
They can't help themselves

>>715389650
You joke, but this is what cryptobros actually believe
>>715389747
Not anymore, the age of random drops being worth more than a fraction of a cent per hour is over. Trading makes you money, playing doesn't.

>>715389351
I say this

>>715388935
You can just play cs2 and sell a crate and you'll have enough for a 99 cent nametag

>>715388729
>nametag
are you retarded
you buy either a key or a ticket
everything else has no value

Engineers balance themselves out because if they build too deep into their own base, they'll get bored of nobody reaching them and change class

i miss playing tf2 on the ps3 where people were shit and having fun (and would run into my sentry multiple times)

>Mini Sentries
>Deus Ex shotgun
Yep it's bitch tears time

>>715389032
>its only 99 cents
>its only 14000 jeets at xbox
>its only mass child rape
You are here on the timeline of republican justification for being fucked up the ass by jews.

>>715388262
“DATS RAY CISS”

>>715391952
>i have to PAY POCKET CHANGE to PLAY this GAME????!?!?! LE HITLER

>playing ctf_2fort circa 2022
>equip the Eureka Effect
>build a teleporter behind the sewer stairs to catch enemies offguard
>hide and wait
>a Demoman starts going up the stairs
>teleport behind him
>MISS 6 MEDIUM RANGE SHOTS ON HIS BACK
>run away right in front of him while dodging his grenades
Will never forget. Will never use a bullets weapon again.

>>715386921 (OP)
>*uncloaks from outside your sentry's range*
>*plink* x 6
>*BOOM*
À vous, ingénieurs.

>>715392197
Average soldier player

>>715392162
You don't even have to pay to play. He's just upset that you have to pay to talk (which is false, you can talk as a f2p again).

Naturally, he only wants to talk so he can groom children and jerk off about Hitler.

zesty is the only good TFtube-tard, i'm pretty sure he was the main impact that stopped tf2 from only getting halloween and santa shit hats getting added but i wish their was somebody more mentally ill in a cool and gay way.

>>715386921 (OP)
>THAT ENGINEER'S A BLOODY- MEEEEEEEDIIIIIC
>NEEDA DISPENCER HERE
>NEEDA- HOOOAH- *kill command*

>>715392952
i watch b4nny sometimes

>>715393179
NEEDA-
NEEDA-
NEEDA-
NEEDA-
NEEDA-
NEEDA-

t. Scout
Sentries without a team are dogshit, and it's Team Fortress

>successfully convinces the world that the Red Tape Recorder sucks and no one should use it

>>715387831
Hudda hudda hud, hudda hudda!
*muffled laughter*

>>715393674
And thank god for that, because downgrading buildings is much more annoying than just having their HP sapped

>>715391602
I wish that were true instead of XX_METALGEAR_XX building his gun on last and doing nothing the whole game. I'm not sure if these people actually have enough brain activity to BE 'bored.'

>>715393674
>breaks sapper
>oh wait, its the red tape recorder, no damage
>what a pleasant surprise
on the flip side i dont think ive ever thought the stock sapper being used on my buildings was a pleasant surprise

>>715393674
Red Tape Recorder is godly against minisentries.

>>715393918
>upgrade sentry to level 2
>walk 5 ft to grab some metal
>come back to a level 1 with 0/200
RTR is horrible to deal with as a solo engie.

>>715393857
I exclusively queue upward and whenever I'm on red I pick engineer, run straight to last ,build on the balcony, and wait, even if the round is just beginning. Half the fun is when my team notices and starts yelling at me.

>>715388262
So only a third?

>>715394049
watch where you're walking, bitch

>>715394049
Yeah but you have your dispenser so you'll have it back up in no time
except the RTR removes all the metal from dispensers

>>715386921 (OP)
Most hilarious moment was when my team had 6 engies with turrets and dispensers in one place, and a spy walked up and was sabotaging them one by one without anyone noticing.

>>715392952
he's at least the only person who holds valve accountable but he is definitely quite the whiner at times and acts like the world's ending every 5 mins

honestly for as bad as the TF2 situation is, it could be MUCH worse in comparison to other live service games. Hell we got given the SDK

What are some good hat ideas? I want to model something someone else came up with

man i fucking hate tf2 community

>>715394769
Pantyhose mask.

>>715392952
Zesty in general I can take or leave personality wise despite me agreeing with (most) of his takes.
I will say he is based by having his muscle fetish proudly displayed.

>>715394645
It would be effortless for Valve to at least put the 45 minute map timer back into casual, but instead they neglected to make any improvements for ~7 years, with most of that time being infested with bots. This new wave of bitching about casual was long overdue.

>>715392952
A cool and gay way meaning a twink? Sure i wish.

>>715394924
Gamers used to be blatant coomers rather than implied coomers. What happened to that? It was more based that way.

>>715386921 (OP)
YIPPEEKIYAAHEYAYKYAAAHKAYO

Name a weapon that produces more dopamine.

>>715395624

>>715395624

>>715395624
Burning someone to death with Huo Long Heater while they're stunned from Holiday Punch

>>715386921 (OP)
level 3 teleport and dispencer to constantly ferry in soldiers and demos are unironically better then any sentry, i'd rather spend the metal on short circuit orbs then a sentry half the time

ERECTING
a dispenser

>>715395918
the most painful thing as an engineer isn't a spy or explosive class destroying your sentry, but a spy/scout destroying your teleporter entrance forcing you to either run the eureka effect (painful) or run all the way back to spawn for all your other shit to die (extremely painful). makes me hate playing engineer.

>>715386921 (OP)
>build sentry
>spy, pyro, and scout are no longer allowed to have fun

>>715395096
>This new wave of bitching about casual was long overdue.
oh for sure
I think its certainly valid and considering valve is willing and able to update the game post SDK release (I really thought it was the end there given the comic n all that) we should harrass valve to bring back quickplay in its entirety for gameplay longevity (and integrate servers from mods into the browser so people using the SDK can get the word out)
I think the last ten years of bitching over balance and the comp boogie man was retarded though

COME OVER HERE

>>715396232
spy and scout aren't a big deal you can easily outrepair them and if they stick around whoever spawns can easily kill them
now sticky jumper demos those are the real niggers

>>715395624

>>715396512
>I think the last ten years of bitching over balance and the comp boogie man was retarded though
I would buff a shitton of weapons which were nerfed or always bad to begin with, but it's pointless to complain about that because Valve hasn't touched balance in a million years besides a couple bug fixes

>>715393674
I like that guy that exclusively tortures engies with the RTR on his youtube channel

>>715397000
They kinda did with the gas passer now counting the players coated in it as "wet". It's not a huge buff and does not redeem the weapon, but it's a balance change.

>>715397000
check 'em
>I would buff a shitton of weapons which were nerfed
a lot of tf2 players though were/are blinded by the fact that some of those weapons were stupidly overpowered/annoying and were just mad their favorite thing isn't as good now. There were definitely a fair number that were too harsh (ambassador) But a lot of the ones I see people bitch and moan about are actually fine or were always going to be broken no matter what (piss and mad milk are good examples).
While the others that were never good to begin with were half baked ideas or shitty promotional items that had no right to exist to begin with
>tldr
valve has never been good at adding new content or even following their own design rules/principles

I miss the old panic attack. It was a shit weapon with a weird design but fuck me I loved it. Fixed square pattern shotgun doesn't do it for me.

>>715394816
Same. Full of trannies and faggots

>>715397573
That thing went through so many iterations I have no idea what you're talking about
I liked the one that worked like the beggars bazooka

>>715397814
That's the one I am talking about. Outside of engineer, it seemed like a counterproductive weapon but it was fun unloading six shells at once in a vomit.

>>715397859
Yeah, felt like an assasin when you round/bait someone around a corner and then spray him down. I have no idea what the fuck the point of its current iteration is

>>715398034
Valve explicitly stated in the blogpost that nuPanic Attack is an emergency weapon if your primary isn't suitable

>>715397573
if it had square spread I'd use it more. rectangle spread just feels odd and being able to two shot soldiers and 3 shot heavies at point blank feels a lot less useful than the stock's extra range.

>>715395761
>caber isn't allowed to one-shot light classes
>but soldier dealing 195 damage whenever he wants is fine

>>715394454
Wait a minute, I'm BLU!

>>715398187
Why, because of the extra switch speed? I don't get how the fixed spray pattern plays into this

>>715386921 (OP)
My fun ends when the round does, and engineers exist to stop some shitty scout or spy ending the game behind enemy lines and making it so no one has fun

>>715398257
Demo can wait in a corner and smack someone passing by, Soldier has to make the effort to rocket jump first. That being said the caber should one-shot 125HP classes again, I think the reason Valve nerfed it was because it could also kill Medics.

>>715394007
>not just farming them with your revolver

>>715398257
Demoman has one, it's called the skullcutter.

>>715398410
>Demoman can wait in a corner and smack someone passing by
That's sort of his job

>>715398283
WOLOLO

>>715398257
>high skill weapon has greater reward than no skill weapon
stop the presses

>>715398356
>Why, because of the extra switch speed?
yea
>I don't get how the fixed spray pattern plays into this
spread gets larget the more you fire, its supposed to be a weapon you switch to for a few quick blasts and put away. The fixed spread helps make the enlarging shot pattern feel more consistent
>>715398257
most likely because demo is supposed to be weak at close range, that being said if the caber just fuckin killed the demoman it would be fine to add back, its not like you get much usage out of a non recharging caber anyways
>>715398529
^also this lmao

>>715386921 (OP)
>Sentries Raped By Demo
>Sentries Raped By Soldier
>Sentries Raped BY 100ms ping Spies who facestab
>Sentries can be semi raped by Scouts who actually use their pistols
>Sentries can be raped by Snipers from a safe distance
Engineer is definitely not fully balanced, but you need to git gud man

you probably forgot this spot

>>715398845
why don't more scouts use their pistol
i get it, milk is free health, cola is mini crits, but your team is stupid and won't make use of your milk anyway and i get SO FUCKING MANY cheesy long-distance kills finishing people off with pistol spam

>>715398985
Can it be killed by splash damage from shooting the grate, though?

>>715399028
No scout players realize the pocket pistol is an upgrade to stock which is crazier to me

>>715399028
Mini crit meat shots with the Scattergun are very satisfying, but 9 / 10 it's better to run a pistol, mainly the Pocket Pistol, since it's practically a direct upgrade from stock.

>>715399294
I started using it not too long ago and it's fucking disgusting. It makes me feel like using the Pocket Glocket back in BF4. You just pull it out and BRRRRT.

PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP
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I miss the old shortstop
god I must have been pure cancer to play against back in the day

>>715399384
pocket pistol and force a nature makes me feel fucking evil
>run up to a heavy
>FaN meatshot and a midair shot after he's launched chunks off 2/3 of his health
>switch to pocket pistol
>plink him to death before he can even react
yeah i know the scattergun could do it in three shots anyway, but i love the fan so much. people hate it and i love it for that. go home soda popper, you aren't fun

>>715399709
I would argue with you, but I am a MvM addict so my opinion on the soda popper is bunk.

>>715399709
If you want an even better time, Fan o War makes the FaN/Soda Popper shots pure rape while the Pistol is an effective finisher just in case

>>715399902
>run up behind light class with Fan o War
>one-shot them with the FaN
I know I could just kill them normally, but it's satisfying seeing Snipers just crumple

>>715398257
That's a really stupid comparison, considering the difficulty of explosive jumping in general. That being said, I LOVE making explosives classes seethe enlessly by just airblasting, and telling them even F2Ps know how to use their shotgun.

>>715399294
I like having 3 extra bullets and I find it easier to track with

>>715400079
I'm fucking horrible at tracking, my worst aiming style
How do I improve?

>>715399294
I genuinely cannot track with the pocket pistol. I usually just use the Winger for movement or use stock to harrass enemies.

>>715399709
the FaN is scouts best unlock only exceeded by the cleaver, which I use to do exactly what you talk about lmao

>>715400189
I, too, have trouble using the pistol for fighting anything that isn't buildings. The damage output sucks, the bullet spread is terrible, and scout doesn't carry nearly enough ammo for it. However, it's absolutely invaluable against buildings.

>>715400170
lower your sensitivity
go play an aim trainer

[equips Wrangler]
[gets a Minigun, but better]
whoops, looks like Heavy, in-fact, is a worthless class

>>715389803
UUUOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
ToT~~~~~~

MINISENTRY TRIPOD EROTICCCCCC EROTIC TRIPOD AND LIGHT~~~~~

>>715400214
why does everyone say the FaN sucks

>>715388413
Terrible bait

>>715400872
only 2 shots sucks
hard to kill when the first shot sends them flying away

>>715400947
people don't even get sent flying that far (anymore) and you can aim where the fly like you can with airblasting up/down, do people not just run after the enemy once they're lifted? scout is fast as hell for a reason

>boot up 2fort
>place a sentry in the stairs area by spawn
>equip the widowmaker (or frontier justice if I have a lot of kills with my sentry)
>watch from the upper area
>drop down and surprise people with a widowmaker to the face as a no cosmetics engineer
>if I have revenge crits, keep my pistol out until the last second so they let their guard down
yep, it's gaming time

>>715401014
>people don't even get sent flying that far (anymore)
FaN's knockback hasn't been changed in a very long time.

>and you can aim where the fly like you can with airblasting up/down
you're still losing damage from damage falloff and spread and hitting that followup shot will always be harder than just clicking a second time with stock.

>>715393674
were you around when the red-tape was first added? the deleveling was stupid fast. So fast that you actually couldn't remove it before deleveling unless you were already in the middle of a wrench swing
I still use it to inflict intense emotional damage to him as he needs to spend an unreasonable amount of time to upgrade his shit again with no dispenser metal.

kino time

I'm having so much fun!

>>715398257
>securing a market garden requires skill
>clicking the floor does not
only thing the caber needs other than bugfixes is for its splash damage to be normalized like how pipes and rockets are now, instead of dependent on where you hit your enemy's hitbox. it would genuinely consistently 1-shot light classes again if they fixed that shit.

>>715401193
so what you're telling me is that the FaN is for PRO'S ONLY

I'm terrible at every class besides Solider and Medic. I played the game for almost 9 years.

overwatch is better, step down grandpa

>>715402507
It's really, REALLY not.

>t. played hundreds of hours of OW and thousands of tf2

>>715402507
The 6v6 role-enforced shooter is not comparable to the 12v12 anything goes clusterfuck

>>715386921 (OP)
>2 shots your scrap
America wins again!!!

>pick heavy
>sit on cart for entire game
>effortlessly top the scoreboard
gg no re soldiershits

>>715393715
*bullshits its way into your head*

>>715403149

>>715402507
I miss overwatch 1 so much. I was grandmaster in original overwatch, then as soon as they killed it for overwatch 2 I went back to tf2

>>715403149
Based

>>715403164
It still amazed me how much the bots mindbroke everybody.

>>715403149
I respect all my heavy cart sitters thanks for the carry o7

>>715398458
>not locking the engie out of shitting out another mini for 10 seconds

>>715401508
Soda Popper is FaN for pros.

What?

>>715403149
>payload map
>select heavy
>equip the huo long heater
>get the medic on me
>stick behind the cart for the extra defense
yep it's kino time

>>715404504
But I can't launch people into death pits with the Popper.

>>715404921
No but you can combine the hype jumps with the winger and practically fucking noclip.

Post your spray /v/.

>>715388262
More like 5 out of 9 minimum and 8 out of 9 in ideal circumstances
Demo, Spy and Soldier are all obvious
Sniper can outrange it if the engie builds it in a bad spot, can kill the engie, and can deal massive burst damage with a charged shot or arrow
Medic can ubercharge letting whoever's with him kill it

Heavy can out-trade it if the engie isn't there, especially if he has a chance to pull back for a sandvich. He can kill it in half a second if revved and point-blank, and can easily outdamage an engie healing it if he has an uber
Scout can run faster than it turns at point blank so if you can get that close its dead
Pyro can airblast rockets and his homewrecker oneshots minisentry and twoshots everything else (if you can get that close)

Only engie really lacks a way to deal with another sentry

>harvest
>sniper
yup its aim training time

>>715405421
Not on a blue board.

i cant get good with sniper...

>>715405421
Sprays disabled so I don't have to be reminded trannies and furries exist of course

>>715403149
>>715403284
>>715403209
>>715403537
>>715404920

>>715406647

>>715386921 (OP)
>Payload map where blue completely sweeps the first few points, dozens of minutes on the clock.
>Red engi's build nests at extremely defensive chokepoints right before the map ends.
>Game slows to an absolute crawl as blue gets completely stalled.
>Game turns into a pseudo-team deathmatch where you just kind of do your own thing as a definite frontline is formed where the cart stopped.
>Be Pybro, chill in engi nest with the homewrecker. Sit inside the dispenser and hold m1 with one hand and a warm mug of hot chocolate with the other.
It's the little things in life fellas. In all my years of gaming there has literally never been an experience comfier than this. When did PVP games decide that matches have to be constant conflict that ends in five minutes flat?

>>715406994
>>715406647

>>715388081
Stop turtling and fight with your sentry, so they get punished for targeting it.

>>715386921 (OP)
>hehehe I wanna play as da PYRO class in a team-based game :3
>WHAT THE FUCK THERE'S A SENTRY I CAN'T BEAT THAT I SHOULD BE ABLE TO BEAT THAT THERE'S 9 CLASSES AND ALL 9 CLASSES SHOULD BE ABLE TO BEAT THAT EASILY EFFORTLESSLY SWIFTLY I CAN'T BEAT THE SENTRY BECAUSE I'M A PYRO
and then you made this thread because you got fucking owned and refused to change to a class to deal with the problem you were facing, in a game about choosing the right class for the right situations

>>715404504
soda popper is for scrubs who can't FaN jump properly or consistently