New mainline Sonic game is coming. What are your predictions on its gameplay and story? I bet it will be an Open Zone game and it will expand on Sage's character.

Do we have any reliable leaks yet?

>>715389028 (OP)
It will be kino of the highest order causing Tendies to up their daily intake of Tide Pods

I want Sonic to look like this.

>>715389101
>Kishimoto played Rolling Rascal and Spark The Electric Jester 3
>thinks the boost was a curse placed onto Sonic
>thinks Ian Flynn misses the nuances of Sonic
>Kishimoto is very aware about new models, it's just a matter of whether or not Frontiers 2 is the first game that will have them
>Kishimoto has been enthused by his research into Sonic's roots
>Kishimoto's massive goal is allegedly to do a translation of the Mega Drive Sonic games into 3D

>>715389028 (OP)
Honestly? I kinda want Tails, Knuckles and Amy to sit it out. There's a huge wealth of characters in the franchise. The supporting cast should rotate more.

>>715389346
>Kishimoto's massive goal is allegedly to do a translation of the Mega Drive Sonic games into 3D
Sounds too good to be true, which is how I know it's bullshit. Or worse, it's true and they're going to fuck it up. Both are equally likely.

>>715389028 (OP)
I expect this from Flynn

>>715389346
I kinda like boost as long as it's used well. In Sonic Unleashed, it was fairly exhilarating if you got it down right. But I also think that Sonic should have more variety. Not every game should be a boost game.

Actually, I think you could have your cake and eat it too. You know how in Sonic '06, Sonic had "high speed" stages? Maybe you could separate Sonic's stages into two categories, boost and not-boost.

>>715389693
Kishimoto's favorite game is Sonic 1 btw

realistically, they're going to build on the model of Frontiers.
Hopefully, they make something less visually drab this time. I think there is for sure a great video game lurking around in there somewhere, they just have to not fuck it up.
>sonic team
Yeah, I know.

>>715389150
it's only Sonic, not something cool like Astro Bot

>>715389346
Saying the boost is a curse is kinda exaggerating. Like, what's the other option? Making all of the terrains wavy to roll from? Sounds boring.

>>715390249
I heard that Kishimoto wants the next game to heavily deviate from Frontiers' formula in order to improve it. He also want the environments to be more stylized.

As long as they abandon the RPG and Fighting game element, then it should be alright.

>>715390765
>Fighting game element
Unless you want it to be slop, it would be wise to keep this.

>>715389028 (OP)
They will hire that guy again and make a sequel to Frontiers.

>>715391267
Anon, why would you want Sonic to be DMC?
If we want to implement combat, then instead of combo autism, it should be something that play with mobility instead straight up punch and kick. Like an evolved version of Ys' bump system.

As a non-Sonic fan, I personally cannot wait for the game to be announced and look like utter garbage. Then when it finally comes out and people all say it's garbage, Sonic fans will say "it's the best one yet!"
The guy that always shows up in Sonic-faggot threads to post webms of the "incredible movement skill expression." in Frontiers is always funny. Possibly the most delusional fanbase

I don't want frontiers again, it really wasn't great despite being addicting.

Give us generations 3 but with all new levels this time. Or rehash levels that haven't returned before if you must. But I just want a bunch of shadow gens style levels with great set dressing and a reasonably sized hub world to connect them. Open world is completely unnecessary and damaging

>>715391910
You got Shadow Gens last year

>>715391496
>Anon, why would you want Sonic to be DMC?
Anon, why would you want Sonic to only attack while in a ball? Do you have ball autism?

Frontiers won an award in Japan for its combat system. It lends itself well with Sonic.

>>715392048
I know and it was actually a great game so I'd like another one

>>715391910
>Give us generations 3
Boost is terrible dogshit for cattle who can't into momentum or speed as a reward type gameplay.

>>715389028 (OP)
Hopefully this.

>>715392189
For real? The combat system where whatever the fuck happened just by mashing, really? Good?
I just think slapping something like this on top of Sonic to be odd.
If it were me, Sonic would just punch enemies by making contact at them while moving. The basic enemies would get easily destroyed punched, but the thougher enemies would need to be attacked at certain angle, jumped over, using the bound to squash them. Basically, mobility as attack. Hell, if you want an attack button so much, bring the somersault back from SA2 and just stick a 1-2-3 combo on it.

>>715389028 (OP)
are they still going to put floating garbage in the sky and call it game design?

>>715392568
platforming is game design

>>715389028 (OP)
Make an original game with original levels, I want out of the "REMEBER THE GOOD OL' DAYS" era of sonic. I honestly don't mind boost/adventure/2d, just pick ONE of those established gameplay styles and do something with them PLEASE sega. don't waste another game on reinventing the wheel and don't waste a good control scheme on more rehashed levels. That is all.

>>715392308
Are you really expecting them to suddenly shift to an entirely new movement model? I'd love that but it would take years to get a game out and three games before it's passable

I prefer not to dwell on the future of sonic because it only brings me pain. I prefer to have no expectations at all and just let it happen to me

>>715392568
Always have

>>715392308
I dunno, the alternative according to Sonic fans is non sensical hills everywhere, basically defeating the point of horizontality.
If you want your spin downhill to get speed so much, then just play the 2D Sonic. Because that philosophy would be mega boring in 3D.

>>715392821
It would be nice if the Kishimoto's ""experimentation"" was more naturalistic levels over cyloops, combat gameplay and RPG elements.

>>715392723
They already did that with Lost World so It's not like Sonic Team is afraid of doing that

>>715392456
they just fucking made that!

>>715393305
That was Shadow 1.5 at best.

>>715392663
Sonic has literally always rehashed Green Hill in some capacity.

>>715392937
Lost World was not good. Then they went back to boost with forces which was not good. Then they did boost again with frontiers and it's ok-good. And then again with generations 2 which is very good.

>>715389028 (OP)
>open groan

>>715393941
Sonic Frontiers was beloved by everyone, including /v/. Of course they would continue making those games.

>>715394008
Sonic Frontiers had ugly surplus PSO2 maps littered with springs and grindrails, and the cyberspace actual stages were just recycled assets and block primitives. It was total shit. In fact I'd go so far as to say no series has ever been improved by going open world.

>>715390054
>Sonic 1
>No spin dash, no boost
>Just Run, Spin and Spin Jump
Kinda based.

>>715394458
It's the best selling Sonic game tho

>>715389346
>Kishimoto's massive goal is allegedly to do a translation of the Mega Drive Sonic games into 3D
I can only imagine how hacky something like will turn out, considering Sonic Team devs are apparently only capable of eyeballing things from footage and grasping surface-level nuances than properly understanding competent game design (see their attempts at replicating mechanics from Mario Galaxy and Donkey Kong Country in Lost World).
I'm immediately reminded of people showing Kishimoto examples of 3D rolling physics on twitter after Frontiers released, then his team translating those examples into Frontiers with the "spindash", which was literally just the boost that also turned the game's gravity off for a few seconds (yes, really) if you happened to hit any incline at a certain angle with the button held down, making it feel more like a quasi-moonjump than what people actually requested.

At this point I'd actually trust Hardlight more with a proper translation of classic gameplay into 3D than Sonic Team. At least Dream Team showed decent attempts at something similar to that style with the way you could interact with slopes and ramps. It might actually be the only 3D game in the series where jumping while running up an curved incline actually gives you a significant vertical boost.

Reminder that Japan loved Frontiers

Reminder no one gives a shit what Japan thinks.

>>715391267
>it would wise to keep encounters that consistently brings forward momentum to a halt
>in a sonic game
no
shadow gens is the only game in the series where "combat" actually worked, and that's because shadow's different combat moves were more about using enemies to traverse the environment in different ways, not actually stopping to fight

>>715392456
>Shadow 2 the hedgehog

>>715395938
Reminder that one of Sega's heads announced that they're actively moving away from catering specifically to Japan.

>>715393392
There's a difference between utilizing a familiar trope, and literally reusing the same exact environment assets across several games.

>>715396332
Holy woke

>>715389028 (OP)
The story will be almost non-existent and something incredibly generic while also being poorly told as they mischaracterize everyone.
Gameplay-wise it will be weightless, floaty boost slop with reused stages (once again). Maybe if we're lucky we'll get another open world game with literally no design and just scattered unity assets floating around and minigames where you hold forward.

>>715395938
06 and Forces also ranks among Japan's favorite games in the series.
I don't think Japan's tastes for Sonic are something to take very seriously.

>>715396475
that part is just laziness.

>>715393549
>Then they did boost again with frontiers and it's ok-good
Frontiers has some of the worst boost gameplay in the series, and the open world "boost" is just Lost World's run button.
I'll excuse them falling back on boost for the Generations expansion, but even that was one of the slower-feeling boost games available. The sooner they ditch the boost entirely the better. Removing the "shoot forward like a rocket" button will at last encourage them to make wider, more open-ended level design.

>>715396851
The laziness is a big part of people's criticisms.
If you're going to reuse assets, at least do so in a way that isn't immediately noticeable.

>>715392189
>Frontiers won an award in Japan for its combat system.
isn't frontiers' combat just watching sonic play out a bunch of canned animations in mid-air with a parry system that requires no timing whatsoever?
how low are japan's standards for these things?

>>715389346
Great, there goes the Sonic cycle starting again. Stop giving me hope, i hate it.

>>715397424
It's a Kishimoto game. There's no real reason to be hyped. It'll just be another "brief elements of good faintly shining through tons of stupid" experience.
The best entries from 2010 to now have all been non-Kishimoto games, to put things into perspective.