Thread 715405371

WHAT were they THINKING

they weren't thinking

Fun things are fun!
>but muh hitscan!
No one gives a shit but autismos, everyone else just plays and has fun.

looks like AISLO

>>715405371 (OP)
>We need a spider for our final boss!
>No! It has to be a mastermind!
>Wait...what if...

>>715405371 (OP)
>dude what if the ultimate demon was a frickin robot spider, and had a big brain, and big ass chaingun
>hell yea

>>715405440
arachnotrons didn't exist yet

All these years and only a handful of wad makers figured out how to make her dangerous.

>>715407639
Say that again

>>715405371 (OP)
>To defeat the final boss, they'll have to shoot at it until it dies

>>715407958
that again

>>715405371 (OP)
>IDDQD
>IDKFA
>press 7
>press ctrl
where's your hitscan now you slut

>>715408306
nightmare skill in vanilla version

Sandy is a retard.

>>715407885
examples?

Spider Mastermind is bar none, the weakest enemy in ALL of Doom
>Humongous hitbox you can shoot while remaining out of sight
>High painchance meaning you can stunlock her hard
>Ooga booga hitscan so you can lure her inaccurate shit to cause large infights on a single mastermind, who loses a lot to fodder enemies
>Just slightly stronger than a chaingunner and even then it loses points due to its size and lack of immediate threat
one SSG or even SG shot can have a decent chance to flinch her all while you only take chip damage, meanwhile a cyberdemon jumpscares you with something that kills you even if you have 100/100 in hp and ap, a chaingunner is small so you can fit two in a room to have Spiderdemon's DPS but better. In fact you can fit like 8 chaingunners in the same radius as a mastermind's hitbox.

And legacy of rust proves size matters, mindweaver being a tiny mastermind ramps the fuck up out of the threat level of that enemy type all the while a SM can only be good if you pamper her up by not giving the player good weapons and high ammo as soon as she sees you and has to be the only enemy around lest it starts infighting.

>>715405371 (OP)
My guess is maybe whatever they had planned for this cut magic attack would have mad it a much more interesting enemy. Maybe something that would have forced you out of cover so it could shoot you? Im guessing at the time they just ckuldnt figure it out on from a technical standpoint and ship it as is leaving it a bafflingly weak final boss thats inferior to the one that came before it.

>>715410796
And this is looking at her in a vacuum on what modders do with her, in the actual games?
>Doom 1
Unless pistol starting, a single BFG nukes her cunt wide and even if you're pistol starting, Dis has a lot of goodies and she's only follwed by 3 cacos, no threat
>Doom 2
Your first encounter with one is killing her with a crusher
Then you make her fight with a cyber who'd always win
Then you fight a bunch of them but you got invulns for days
>Final Doom
A bald nigger with a chaingun is more threatening than the so called mastermind

>>715410796
Between her,shub tchernoborg and zilla and seems like weak poorly designed final bosses were a true boomer shooter staple. Even as a kid i was confused by this trend

>>715405371 (OP)
What game?

>>715413647
Blood

>>715411759
At least Doom 64's final boss is an actually threatening monster on her own

>>715414343
Agreed

>>715405371 (OP)
cracker ahh

Were they a better boss fight?

>>715405371 (OP)
You'd be angry too if you were surrounded by friendly firing idiots.
Plus what anon said:
>>715410796

>>715407885
by dehacking its retarded radius

>>715410796
>chaingunner
Doesn't exist yet.
>SSG
Didn't exist either

This is power creep between Doom 1 and Doom 2.

>>715410981
>Then you make her fight with a cyber who'd always win
It's something like 19/20 times the cyber wins.
Pain chance getting triggered on the Cyber repeatedly due to the chaingun can stunlock the cyber long enough for a spider mastermind win.

>>715422070
Would she ever legitimatley be able to.win if she waant immune to blast damage? Thats like at least 50% or more of the rockets damage. In a 1000 fights would she even win one?

>>715410796
don't forget the bfg has a pretty high chance of one-shotting it if you can get in point-blank range