What is the appeal of the "wild west" setting?

>>715408396 (OP)
It was the last time America was truly "free" and people could move Westward with the hope of making a new life for themselves. You could do just about anything if you were daring or ambitious enough.

Cowboys are cool

>>715408521
>It was the last time America was truly "free" and people could move Westward with the hope of making a new life for themselves
What's that got do with gameplay?

>>715408396 (OP)
Only an incandescent gay could ask a question like this.

>>715408396 (OP)
It's a neat era.

>>715408624

OP didn't ask about the gameplay, retard, he asked about the setting. Learn to read.

>>715408396 (OP)
Unironically the same appeal as the feudal Japan setting. Just cowboys instead of Ronin.

>>715408396 (OP)
it's a very specific time period, after the civil war but before the great war
germans, poles, jews, mexicans are flooding into the area creating kino racial tensions and interactions
guns are just starting to get CUHrazy
romantic notion of law in a lawless land

Westerns are probably my favorite film genre. But when it comes to video-games, yeah, it's a very limited setting, I think. There's really no reason to ever make a western game again, after RDR2

>>715408779
Feudal Japan is overrated

>>715408794
for me it's Call of Juarez

>>715408840
Yeah yeah I know, that's the mass opinion of the month.

literally cowboys. red dead sold as much as it did because the prime marketing was "look boomers you can play as a cowboy"

>>715408396 (OP)
Wide open lands with loose laws and few people

>>715408396 (OP)
It's a great genre for video games, it's shockingly underused
Like how the fuck has there not been a wild west vr game yet

>>715408396 (OP)
You have to be a man and have lung cancer to understand anon.

>>715408396 (OP)
"Wild" West elicits the ultimate liberty to do whatever the fuck you want, be the lawful sherriff committed to decent duty or be the black horse bandit raping dumb bar maids and lacerate them with a steam engine. Nature itself is an obvious motif that I won't explain. Add the juxtaposition of the rapidly emerging new complex technology such as revolving pocket sized firearms with the traditional such as quilted handmades and hand rolled tobacco. Idk what else to say. How about we ask why you DON'T like it?

Very low T question to ask
Show tits / feminine cock or gtfo

>>715408396 (OP)
it's a white man thing, you wouldn't know Sanjeep

>>715408396 (OP)
I would think the Koreans would be more interested in the Wild West, considering you had essentially the same experiences when railroads crossed Manchuria and Korea

Where are colored folks?

>>715408906
I mean he's right if only there were more cowboy games that ronin games

>>715410298
Whaddya mean, Irish is there.

RDR > RDR2

>>715408396 (OP)
I had zero interest in westerns before RDR1 came out but ended up buying it because I liked the idea of "GTA, but with horses".

>>715408396 (OP)
so lames with office jobs can pretend they'd be a badass hero shooting everyone instead of a chinese slave working on the railroad

>>715408396 (OP)
Marital rape

>>715408624
retard

>>715408624
ESL

Horses are boring in games and any of these games would be massively improved if you all drove around on motorbikes instead. Imagine shooting cowboys with your revolver, but you're all doing sick jumps on the dunes.

>>715408794
I think a real open ended outlaw game would be cool and hasn't really been done yet. RDR2 is story heavy and all your NPC allies are immortal cinematic characters with plot armor. You follow the caravan around going from movie scene to movie scene and nobody dies unless the scripted event comes.
I think there would be great potential in something like a civil war era outlaw game where you can opportunistically benefit from the turmoil of war, recruit bushwhackers and deserters, have faction reputations with both sides of the war, use soldier disguises and so on. Maybe not just randomly generated NPCs either, but unique followers that can die like companions in New Vegas on hardcore mode.

>>715408792
>mexicans are flooding into the area
literally were there first

>>715408794
Meh westerns are boring as fuck to me. There are a handful that are decent don't get me wrong but outside of that, if you've seen one, then you've seen them all. Same thing with romance movies and to an extent horror movies.

>>715409663
>call someone low t
>then immediately asks to see their dick
You are one nasty ass faggot. Kys.

>>715412586
If those are widespread you're closer to a prohibition setting, which is an underrated setting too and there should be more games in it.

>>715408792
Cowboys culture is of mexican origin retard

Setting so good, insane Russian spies want to live out the fantasy

Favorite wild west gamble?

If you think about it, a lot of fantasy conventions draw from the western setting too.

>>715413324
herding cows is hardly new world culture

>>715408396 (OP)
Idk I find it visually boring. Best historical setting is Caribbean pirates. Or better yet pulp adventure like picrel

>>715408396 (OP)
I wish games utilized the actual survival and know-how cowboys would need to have, maybe even some indian magic mojo going on, but not too much
>you'll be travelling for days... how will you endure the harshness and lack of resources?
>this plant indicates there's a small water creek nearby
>this is X tribe territory, you're in pretty warm waters with them so lay low
>you're being chased but temporarily lost your chasers for now, you need to cover your tracks and lay low because they massively outnumber and outgear you
>the desert night sky is talking to you and you learned how to hear it, the next town has something in store for you
I want to be the mysterious nameless stranger that just roams around the sands like it's the palm of my hand, not just do the wild west bandit x sheriff shlang

>>715408396 (OP)
There is no appeal here...

>>715408396 (OP)
I like the aesthetics and the ingenuity of a lot of turn of the century small-arms design, much of what was sold and used in the west was decades ahead of what militaries of the time were fielding, albeit many of these ideas would ultimately be abandoned.

It's like getting a little preview into hundreds of possible futures that were never were.

>>715408396 (OP)
Freedom to kill and rape anyone

>>715408396 (OP)
i grew up watching western and the aesthetics look cool
now if we can add ninjas and samurais too.

>>715408396 (OP)
all you can rape buffet

>>715413324
Based vaquero moment. Most western depictions just whitewash the entire cowboy aesthetic and pretend it all sprang out of nowhere in 1860. Meanwhile, Mexican horsemen had already been running cattle and fighting bandits for a century by then. The spurs, lassos, saddles-literally all lifted from the Mexican/Spanish traditions. Even the term “buckaroo” is just a bastardization of “vaquero.” American frontier roleplay wouldn’t exist without that influence.

the fir trader/mountain men period was much more brutal than the wild west

>>715419207
*fur

its such a brief moment in history and even geographically, there wasnt a wild west in asia, europe or africa, just this wild territory shared by the us, mexico and a bunch of non-curry indians. pretty cool little moment in humanity

>>715408396 (OP)
How does that 30 year period dominate rest of north American cultural periods so much

>>715419354
it was crazy to think wyatt earp lived until the 1920s and was a consultant for early western movies

>>715408396 (OP)
cowboys and horseys are cool

>>715408614
If this is supposed to be Calamity Jame, I am going to be mad.

>>715413587
Liar's dice is pure kino

>>715410284
That feeling probably got dampened when you remember that they were sandwiched between two empires that wanted to conquer them and take all their stuff.

>>715419389
Movies

>>715415019
Reminds me a little bit of West of Loathing. Really good and funny Western game.

how come a genre with thousands of movies has so little video games? pic related was probably the first cowboy game that wasn't a little more than a pew pew arcade shooter with infinite bullets

>>715408396 (OP)
Youd have to live in a frontier country to get it.
So essentially the USA and Russia.
However Russia is well. Russia. So we don't have any good games of the Russian frontier like we do for the US frontier.

>>715420076
Too many gamers will curl their lip if they can't have an automatic rifle in a shooter

>>715420076
because the wild west arsenal is boring as fuck.
>revolver
>repeater
>winchester
>shotgun
>dynamite
fucking yawn

>>715413370
Russia has their own frontier history. They get it, they just don't have a gaming dev on the level of Rockstar to make a RDR2 but with Cossacks.

>>715420237
and yet

>>715420237
Those are unironically kino what in the fuck do you mean?
>WAHHH I CANT SWAP TO FULL AUTOO WAHHH
God I hate that mindset.

>>715420116
karl may's western books had a cult status in the eastern block (including east germany). however the writer himself never visited the wild west. these books (and the movies based on them) are also very injun centric. they still have festivals in germany where they dress up and larp as indians, it's funny.

I want a open world non-fantasy medieval game that's not Kingdom Come Deliverance because that game is too realistic and stiff to a fault.

>>715408396 (OP)
It's KINO. Saying this as a Russian.

>>715408624

>>715408396 (OP)
The lawlessness of it. The idea that you could just kill someone and get away with it is tantalising, and harkens back to our primitive youth when you could.

>>715408396 (OP)
the american west and feudal japan are perhaps the two most kino settings in history, nothing else even comes close

>>715420531
The ancient era had kino we didn't quite fully write down.
So much of it's lost to time sadly

>>715420531
There is also the golden age of piracy between 1650-1730 in the Caribbean
Periods of absolute chaos and freedom

>>715420602
>ancient era
even most of the silent era movies that were produced are now lost.

>>715413324
Herding cows on horseback was all over the place.
Even most of the specifics of the usual "cowboys" depiction are of Spanish origins since the late middle ages and the reconquista of arid regions of the Iberian peninsula from moops.

>>715420531
Medieval Europe

>>715420924
that's like a 1000 years, not specific enough

For me, it’s space westerns. Why aren’t there more space cowboy games?

>>715421037
there are no horses in space nigga

>>715420924
Medieval Europe. Farm wheat and barley for some Warlord. Don't die from a splinter infection.

>>715421106
unlike feudal jap?

>>715421174
Feudal Japan. Farm rice for some Warlord. Don't get decapitated because a samurai wanted your hat.

>>715420924
70% of the population dying from hyper aids and hundreds of (kingdoms) so tiny you can walk across their territory in a couple of hours
medieval europe needs fantasy elememnts like in game of thrones or lord of the rings to drag it out of the literal mud that it was
>>715420678
true i did forget about that

>>715408794
>There's really no reason to ever make a western game again, after RDR2
That is like saying there is no reason to ever make a Western movie after The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly.
Like sure, RDR2 is the best in its genre, but you can ALWAYS tell a new story with new characters.
There were good westerns after Stagecoach. There were good westerns after The Searchers. There were good westerns after The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly. There were good westerns after True Grift. There were good westerns after Lonesome Dove, Unforgiven, Tombstone, etc. There will be a good western after RDR2.

>>715413091
You're an even bigger faggot for getting mad her wanted to see cute fem cock

>>715421490
it will be even more pozzed than rdr2

It's a combination of wilderness and civilization, that can feel steam punk without being Victorian drek. It's not woke, full of dudebros, and the west felt deliberate, purposeful.

Since the spaghetti western fixed what Hollywood broke with their gay singsong garbage, the western has been a great era for movies and games.

Pre-industrial America passed too fast, and felt too honest.

>>715408396 (OP)
It is the only history US has

is this piece of shit worth playing?

>>715421565
Being you must be fucking exhausting, worrying about stupid hypotheticals.

>>715419354
>and even geographically, there wasnt a wild west in asia, europe or africa, just this wild territory shared by the us, mexico and a bunch of non-curry indians
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wild_Fields

>>715421510
>mouthbreathing ESLnigger so retarded he can't even type a coherent sentence
Let me reiterate, kys faggot.

>>715408794
Umm...RDR3?

You shoot people and then talk to a funny old prospector that has a toe poking out of his boot.
And theres the part where you walk into a saloon playing plinky plonky piano music

>>715408396 (OP)
why is this ancient game 49,99€ still?

Just last year I started riding horses and shooting revolvers and lever action rifles after being a city cuck for 28 years. It's never too late bros.

>>715410298
>search up 'historical cowboy photographs' on Google to get pics for a project
>every second result is about black cowboys
I shit you not. Try it for yourself and see. The internet has become so fucked man.

>>715421106
you do realize there has never been a single recorded duel taking place during the "wild west", it has been over-dramatized
>>715420531
ww2 is as kino as it gets, it's just been done to death

>>715420237
>because the wild west arsenal is boring as fuck.
>lists literal coolest shit ever

>>715408396 (OP)
Adventure, grit, action, freedom, rape.

>>715423932
well, there was this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hickok%E2%80%93Tutt_shootout

>>715423563
coz the game looks still gorgeous

>>715419354
>there wasnt a wild west in asia, europe or africa
There wasn't but many cultures have had their own version of riders, outlaws and highwaymen.
Japan very obviously has Ronin. Ukrainians have Cossacks, Spanish have Bandoleros, South America has Gauchos, Vaqueiros, Charros and a bunch of other cowboy figures, Australians have Bushmen, Greeks have Klephts. I'm sure there are many more I haven't mentioned.

>>715408396 (OP)
It sits at the threshold between the last time the world was old and the dawn of the modern age. Its the last period you can set a fantasy setting in. The last time the world was entirely analog. New things were rapidly on the horizon. A person born in 1880 could live to see both a world without electric refrigeration and man walking on the moon. It is the single most dynamic period of change in recent memory.

>>715424367
yeah I guess that's pretty close to a quick draw duel, even if they didn't agree to it beforehand. Not sure how I missed it, I remember looking it up years ago and not finding anything even resembling a "duel".

>>715424793
apparently italians had "brigands". they failed to capitalize on it during the 60s and 70s when they rivaled hollywood

>>715424367
Wild Bill was so fucking cool.

>>715423932
>you do realize there has never been a single recorded duel taking place during the "wild west"
Why would you assert with such confidence something that can be so easily disproven? There are multiple examples of famous Old West "duels", where one party specifically called out the other and then they both drew pistols and shot at each other. The Hickok-Tutt shootout, the Short-Courtright duel, and the Long Branch Saloon gunfight are just some examples. There is also the O.K. Corral, though that was between two parties rather than two individuals. There are also the two Jim Leavy duels (a third attempted, but the opponent in that case was smarter and ambushed Leavy before the duel) and two Tom Carberry duels.
The movies didn't make that shit up, it just wasn't the usual outcome. Usually, the guy would just fucking shoot you rather than risk a duel where you might be faster.

>>715425727
thanks, chatGPT

>>715425727
>Short-Courtright duel
>Long Branch Saloon gunfight
those aren't duels, they're shootouts or cases of self defense, you should look up the definition of a duel, actual prearranged duels took place before the "wild west" period

>>715408624
ICE will be handling you soon.

>>715426264
>ignores all but the two cases that don't fit the narrow definition of duel he wants to use
Okay, buddy. You keep moving your goalposts.
Next you'll tell me duels require people to have a second accompany them, stand back to back, and walk 10 paces first or they aren't "REAL DUELS".
We aren't talking about hoity toity European bullshit. The conversation is about Wild West duels.

>>715412793
no they weren't. mexicans got their asses kicked by the comanche. to this day calling a spic an indian is the greatest insult

>ctrl+F
>lever
>only 1 hit
when did modern 4channers become so gay?
Leverguns are cool.

>>715427008
Most aesthetically pleasing firearm design. All other opinions are invalid.

The wild west works best as a gaming genre when its combined with horro and dark fantasy prove me wrong..

it's not specifically the wild west, it's just the amazing simulation of everything from storms to wind to rain, to the haze in the air on a hot day as you look over the horizon

>>715408396 (OP)
Virtually no niggers or jews, chinamen under the boot and no one has ever heard of a jeet. Better times.

>>715426897
I'm using the dictionary definition
>ignores all but the two cases that don't fit the narrow definition of duel he wants to use
I didn't even bother looking up the other ones, just more shootouts I'm guessing

what about tyrone watermelonius and jamal blingus last night outside popeyes, was that a duel?

>>715427296
half the country was mexicans

>>715408794
>There's really no reason to ever make a western game again, after RDR2
Not with that ending dude. Fuck no. A better RDR2 is well worth making.
>JOIN US JOHN
Like a stupid ass fucking zombie. Or Sadie Adler, seeing John taking fire from Micah, and not shooting Micah in the back, LETTING him pocket his fucking guns. It's an absolutely abysmal climax.

>>715408396 (OP)
it's fucking badass

>>715427387
>Brain instantly goes to black people
This is what too much BBC porn does to a person.

>>715421490
>True Grift
>Unforgiven, Tombstone
>good

>>715427719
I accept your concession, good night

>>715427296
lol this fucking idiot

>>715420237
You've also got bows, tomahawks, sabers, breech-loaders, bolt-actions, Gatling guns, cannons, and so on. And there are a lot of wacky experimental weapons from the time period as well, like chain rifles, harmonica pistols, Howdahs, and so on. And you've got all kinds of different mobile firing and mounting positions like horseback, stagecoach, train, steamship, and so on yet again. And there's a lot of variety in all those categories.

But boo hoo, baby doesn't get his assault rifle with a holographic sight, so it's all boring shit, I guess.

>>715427008
Bazed

>>715408396 (OP)
Like any frontier society, or empire in a civil war, it’s the fascinating mix of civilisation and barbarie, and the opportunity for adventure.

>>715419207
>>715414336
Kino settings, I wish we got more.

>>715408521
Whats funny is that a vast majority of western movies are set after the west had already been tamed, settlements stopped being built and Native American tribes were decimated and ethnically cleansed

>>715408396 (OP)
Nothing. All western games fail unless they're made by massive companies with big names.
If your indie game has a western setting it's already set up to fail. People aren't interested in it.

>>715432191
>Native American tribes were decimated and ethnically cleansed
should have invented firearms and warfare tactics too, I suppose

>>715408521
You might as well claim it was the first free America. This age barely is one as it existed for barely 30 years and ended as soon as cheap fences became a thing. Cowboys were mostly illiterate teens and the very occasional blacks.

>>715427274
>prove me wrong
I can't.

>>715427008
leverguns are alright, but im personally more of a breechloader or bolt action fan.

>>715427274
Few gerne are more versatile.

>>715408396 (OP)
>What is the appeal of
What is the appeal of shitposting on 4channel.org?

>>715408396 (OP)
RAPE RAPE RAPE

>>715408396 (OP)
revolvers are cool

>>715408396 (OP)
Peculiar bucks.

>>715420237
pure ludo

Was there a "Wild West"-like era in other places like Siberia or Australia or something

>>715419354
That just ain't true. Brazil had a wild west that continued until the damn 30s, when our "big cowboy outlaw" and his gang were killed

They actually put their decapitated heads on a museum for a long while.

>>715434289
More info regarding wild west brazil

>>715408853
Based. Call of Juarez 1 is awesome

>>715408396 (OP)
I've only enjoyed RDR two times in my life, once when I was almost blackout drunk and needed something really stupid and non-bothering on the screen and the second time when I had a 39 degree fever, for the same exact reason. I can't stand how boring the game is otherwise.
Reeeeeally makes you think.

>>715434319
Well, basically, the northeast of Brazil is a giant arid shithole. Back during that time, the whole day area was pretty much ruled by "Coronels", who were basically Manorial Oligarchs who ran the country like slavedrivers. Voting was public, so they could literally kill you for voting for the wrong person.

Anyway, it was poor as shit and generally horrible, so obviously you ended up having bandits who went around making things even worse. They were known as "Cangaçeiros" and they were some wacky ass clothing

The most famous of them was 'Lampião' or "Lamplight" (I believe this is because he was said to shoot so fast his gun looked like a lamp) who had a big gang that went around butchering and robbing people for a long time until the government had to send in the army to take them out with machine guns, armored cars and all sorts of stuff.

>>715427285
I've played dozens of hours just hunting and chilling between Blackwater and Manzanita Post during stormy days, it's so fucking good.

recently saw some anon make a cool chart. obviously sorely lacking some things (oregon trail and sunset riders spring to mind), but it is cool nonetheless.

>>715421728
it's okay. it's a roguelite and twinstick shooter. if that appeals to you, get it. it technically has an end point, a final boss, but it made me mad and i dropped it because after you "beat" it they ask you to clear it a second time to clear the story but don't make any meaningful changes to the second clear that make it more interesting/more difficult. cool art style, though. ron perlman is the voice actor for the player character and constantly monologues, don't know if that is a plus or a minus for you. i generally like perlman in his roles but i cannot stop thinking about "YO DONNY" whenever i hear him now.

>>715427274
i remember liking darkwatch but tried to play it again recently and did not enjoy it that much.

Raping the squaw.

>>715434930
stranger's wrath is my favorite game on there. it does drop the cowboy theme later in the game though.

>>715434860
yeah same. Crafting the legend of the east satchel and doing the hunting challenges is the most fun I ever had in the game

Did the cowboy era ever end in Mexico? Seems like they just began trading other drugs than alcohol along the way.

>>715434658
>I had a 39 degree fever
Wtf

>>715435337
Cowboy implies individual freedom. Cartel rule is nowhere close to that.

It's "Cowboys and Outlaws" not "Outlaws and Outlaws and Outlaws and Outlaws"

>>715419354
>there wasnt a wild west in asia, europe or africa
Wrong

Why didn't John bone her?

what I'd really want to see is a proto western game, that separates itself from the movie tropes. This has been done in film and literature:
>Butcher's Crossing
>Lonesome Dove
>Cormac McCarthy's stuff
>Meek's Crossing
>The Revenant
>First Cow
for some reason vidya is still mostly stuck with bang bang pew pew.
They need to make either a Oregon trail adventure survival game with some telltale games style characters ('85 game is too old).
Or a game about beaver/buffalo hunting in the early 19th.

>>715434757
That was nearly 100 years ago? Crazy. South America is a shit hole beyond comprehension. With trump's Israel shenanigans he can forget to invade Mexico to root out cartels.
>lampiao
Lucky luke brazil, basically.
>coronels
They aren't so different from politicians, are they? Robbing people blind and telling them how they suck.

>>715435347
Celsius

>>715434930
I'm usually ok with lists like this, but not having Sunset Riders in there is criminal.

>>715435884
>Lucky luke brazil, basically.
More like a mix between Blackbeard and Bonnie and Clyde.
>They aren't so different from politicians, are they?
Modern politicians keep their robbing concealed. They don't just hire a bunch of armed goons (Jagunços is what they were called) to go around killing and beating. Coronels were direct.They were more akin to feudal lords than politicians.

>>715436047
Sure, politicians use goons to take the money and says this benefits civilization itself (democracy), while, in fact, they are a scourge to our society. Feudal lords might not have been all had, but they certainly as hell were direct, as they more often than not, were warriors.

>>715413324
the age of sail has a Portuguese origin yet its pretty clear the British turned it into something very distinct.

>>715408396 (OP)
lots of sweaty manly men

>>715408624

>>715419354
this nigga has never heard of cossacks