One aspect of Hollow Knight I don't see rightfully not praised as uncontestable is its art. It's nice, but I question the breadth of games you experience and/or whether you need glasses if you call it outright better than any other game. Tha backgrounds and details of God of War 2, 3, and Ascension are at least as good, Castlevania: Harmony of Dissonance and SotN have prettier colors, all of these, and most competent games in general, have more interesting character design. I think Yoshi's Island, a game 25 years older, outright looks objectively better. Pic related is what I find to be the best looking area in the game, and even then it bats on par with some of my other favorites, not close to being in a league of its own

>>715414649 (OP)
a lot of indie games look like outright shit compared to older titles. but what could you expect from teams that deal with even less people and budgets in comparison from older eras

OK, yeah, but so what?

>>715415280
Don't know. I felt like making a thread. I can make the 500th gacha thread if you'd like

I don't know wtf OP is trying to say, but if I liked Ori and HK, what metroidvania should I play next? Must be on steam, and not a dark souls-like

>>715415382
>metroidvania
Not a real word. Zero Mission then Dawn of Sorrow

>>715415426
zero mission isn't on steam

>>715414649 (OP)
>I think Yoshi's Island, a game 25 years older, outright looks objectively better.
The tendie retard reveals his final form

>>715415382
Whatever you do, don't get Castlevania Advanced Collection, the games themselves are alright, but on Steam it crashes constantly.

>>715415382
Both of those suck ass, you will taint future metroidvania threads with your shit taste, so refrain from playing more games of the genre.

>>715414649 (OP)
>One aspect of Hollow Knight I don't see rightfully not praised as uncontestable is its art
Yeah, it's really good. It's so good that's how it got made - it failed to get the Victorian videogame grant but submitted it to the Melbourne Film Board and got a grant on the pure basis of its art instead.

>I think Yoshi's Island, a game 25 years older, outright looks objectively better.
Come on, man.

>>715415382
>not a dark souls-like
But you said you liked Hollow Knight

>>715415382
Animal Well

>>715416021
I don't know how you could say HK sucks ass, even judging it on its worst aspects it's a perfectly fine Metroid-clone. You're just mad.

>>715416098
like much of /v/, he only allows himself to like a game if it is universally reviled and no streamer has ever played it

>>715416081
Hollow Knight is not in any regard a douls like.

>>715416081
I'm talking about shit like salt and sanctuary

>>715416021
>popular game bad
if you ACTUALLY enjoyed the genre youd be excited about new games in it. So fuck you its my genre now, leave.

>>715414649 (OP)
I say that's more then half the reason I stick around every replay every thread. You go to hell. You go to hell and you die.

>>715416098
>only 1 (one) weapon
>only 1 (one) playable character
>super lackluster combat even for the genre
>abysmal soundtrack
>overstays it's welcome
>non-existent story
>samey locations (all caves of varying colors)
Mad? Yeah, I'm mad about wasting my time with this mediocre game.

>>715416425
bad bait

Literally everyone says the game looks 10/10, retard.

>>715416425
if this is bait its really bad and if its not bait then you're just retarded.

>>715414649 (OP)
I initially avoided Hollow Knight. Because it had that newgrounds flash animation style. But I eventually got the game, and learned to appreciate the art. I was wrong with my initial assessment. But not by much.

I'll say this about the game: the art utterly and completely draws you in. While playing the game, you are transported into a dank cavern, full of life. It perfectly captures the mood of a subterranean ecosystem. This is in large part due to the sound design. But it's sold in conjunction with the dawn art.

>>715416465
>>715416474
Drones defending their kusoge mean nothing to me.

>>715415382
Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night.
Environmental Station Alpha.
La-Mulana

>>715415314
yeah, do that instead, thanks. lead with a gooner image and just say something like "who is this built for" or "play [gacha name]." appreciate it.

>>715416027
I stand by what I said, Joe. Hollow Knight is not the greatest, it's simply not. Truth hurts, I know it hurts, but that's just how it is sometimes. But you really are a great guy, you know, great guy, wonderful man, he just likes safe things folks. The middle class has great taste, I tell you, and they'll tell you that other games are just as good. Our blue collar workers, they all know art is the full composition and not the detail, the colors and cohesiveness are just as important, truly beautiful yeah

>>715416519
if you dont like it thats ok, you can not like games, but dont just lie about things or pretend things that dont matter should make a game horrible. Who the fuck cares that you only have a single weapon? Why does that effect the quality of the game? The customization comes from the relics you equip, some of which drastically change your gameplay style. Like i feel fucking retarded even trying to entertain any of your ideas because they are just so fucking arbitrarily stupid. Just say you dont like it. Dont be an insecure little cuckold who has to pretend his opinions are facts because you dont feel brave enough to justify how you feel about things.

>other games look better
>so this game doesn't look good
This mindset is pure brain rot

>>715416027
Based Smellbourne giving the cash, I work right near Team Cherrys office in Adelaide lel

>>715416575
>la-mulana
How you dare to recommend that mandatory step-by-step guide needing piece of shit? You should be executed.

>>715416425
Points 1, 2, 3, 6, and 7 are all at the very least arguable. 5 and 6 are too vague, and 4 ties into >>715416680 because I DIDN'T FUCKING SAY THAT. I DELETED A LINE FROM THE OP THAT SPECIFICALLY CALLED OUT APES LIKE YOU
>It's hard to say Hollow Knight isn't perfect because you'll get some jackass crawling out from his hole to say "oh so you think the game is bad" WHEN I DIDN'T FUCKING SAY THAT
DIE. FUCKING LIGHT YOURSELF ON FIRE. I hate you

>>715414649 (OP)
>backgrounds in god of war, a game with a completely different style and perspective
>harmony of dissonance, with its oversaturated GBA palette, has prettier colors
>yoshi's island??? what's the objective metric even?
i guess it's better than shouting r*ddit kn*ght, but still pretty fucking bizarre as far as bait goes
could have just said that colored filters are boring, or you don't like cartoon bugs, that's a more coherent complaint

>>715416790
>mandatory step-by-step guide
Go back to baiting the HK fanboys. It won't work on me. I tossed out the game, because you never know who might like it. It resonates with a lot of people.

>>715416864
This is what happens when somebody decides they don't like something and comes up with reasons they don't like it instead of the opposite, non-retarded way.

>One aspect of Hollow Knight I don't see rightfully not praised as uncontestable is its art.

>>715416928
its what happens when people are too insecure to just be honest about the fact that their opinions come from their feelings and that there is nothing wrong with that. "i dont like this its just not for me" is a perfectly reasonable response for anyone to talk about not liking something. entertainment and art are all subjective after all.

>>715416650
Oh, yeah those charms sure change the gameplay like uhhhh the one that makes your weapon 1 millimeter longer or the one that makes your weapon deal an insignificant amount of knockback, absolutely game breaking stuff bro.
>>715416838
>Caps lock
I accept your concession.

Bro just go back to shitposting in the pirate software thread, your bait is really weak and doesn't deserve a (you)

>>715416921
I'll give you that, /v/ is full of autistic anons who would like an equally autistic game.

>>715416650
>The customization comes from the relics you equip, some of which drastically change your gameplay style
There are very few that do this and are even half decent. Companions don't break damage thresholds and so make zero difference, are as expensive as the charm that gives you an entire extra spell cast per gauge (33% increase is massive), and one of them messes with your ability to cast spells by siphoning your soul on a timer. You have a bunch of redundant lifeblood charms
>you can stack them
of which stacking takes away all your space for the supposed gameplay-changing charms you talk about and encourages a degenerate facetanking playstyle, and a small variety of more interesting survivability charms that are training wheels designed to be outgrown. Flukenest is the one charm that comes to mind that introduces a truly new mechanic while not dealing such little damage it's not worth using, and even then it costs as much as the charm which increases your swing speed by 33%, which usually translates to a 50-100% DPS increase, because landing 3-4 hits on patterns you'd normally only have an opening for two is insane. There is no reason to ever use the charms that don't directly boost your numbers except for modded bosses and extremely specific self-imposed challenges. I could go on and on about how barren the mechanical core of this game is, like how every movement upgrade is the most generic thing ever and a ripoff of a mechanically richer upgrade from another game (mantis claw and crystal dash are a gay and boring Metroid wall jump and speed booster respectively), but I'd exceed text limit five times over

>>715416212
How is it not? You're the chosen undead deciphering enemy telegraphs to get your melee hits and popping lengthy healing animations that leave you open. Oh no you died, better run back to that point in a weakened state to get your stuff back. Oh look that NPC from before is corrupted/dead now

>>715416425
>>abysmal soundtrack
Could've been believable otherwise.

>>715416083
This is correct

>>715415426
Which Metriodvania?

>>715417515
Rygar NES

>>715417528
Maybe after the arcade version, but I also want to play Rastan 2.

>>715417408
For a genre that is praised for their good soundtracks to use generic orchestra slop is just terrible, orchestra slop is awful in general, kill yourself to cleanse this world from your shit taste.

>>715417679
>orchestra slop
your bait just keeps getting worse with every post anon

>>715417086
ya know, anon, that's a succinct way to put it
people see the cottage industry of reviews and video essays and mockery of all sorts of fanboys, and then try to rationalize their most basic visceral reactions as to not appear unenlightened
not that you can't or shouldn't put your likes and dislikes into words, even if you aren't the most eloquent person, but there is only so much explaining to be done until you hit the most fundamental I HIT THE JUMP BUTTON AND FELT DISGUSTED BY THE ARC sort of experience
artstyle, startup and recovery of attacks, colors, subtleties like hitstop and overshooting and gui textures — plenty of things that you can't really elaborate on without just boiling it down to I DON'T LIKE IT

>>715415382
>but if I liked Ori and HK
Cave Story

>>715417763
Go ahead, post any number of tracks from hk that you think are good, give them a good listen, they are all orchestra slop, you probably won't even be able to differentiate one from another for how samey they all sound

You musty be the same kind of faggot who thinks dark souls have good soundtracks too.

>>715417679
If your post is just buzzwordslop that fails to articulate anything beyond resorting to meme words you shouldn't have even bothered hitting post. Last pity (you).

>>715416790
>new vegas tard makes an awful post
i am shocked

>>715417975
How many guide paragraphs did that post took you?

>>715418049
Bro, just press F12, how retarded can you be

>>backgrounds in god of war, a game with a completely different style and perspective
Those metrics aren't relevant to the aesthetics, in which the games have comparable focuses, natural terrain and artisan architecture. I love replaying GoW III partially because each area is so distinct. The oppressive grays and ethereal whispy look of dynamic elements of Hades is unique to that area and makes sense contextually. Hollow Knight uses this same general idea as a default setting for several areas and it ends up just being kind of there
>>harmony of dissonance, with its oversaturated GBA palette, has prettier colors
Straight up yeah
>>yoshi's island??? what's the objective metric even?
Distinction in foreground textures and clearly defined backgrounds. Hollow Knight is again just kind of there in the former, and the latter only worked for me in the few areas with vibrant enough colors for its blur on the background to not swirl the elements together in a gray blob. I also found Deepnest fucking ugly except for that part with the broken tram and Herrah/weaver's den, where there was enough exposed area and stuff going on in the foreground for the atmosphere to be gross and decrepit in a good way

>>715415382

>>715418092
>>715416864
How the fuck did I forget to (you) you

>>715418091
troon

>>715415382
Monster Boy and the Cursed Kingdom, the not so spiritual successor of Wonder Boy. It's like playing a game from the 90s with modern QoL. It Also has great soundtrack and puzzle platforming

>>715418228
you're the one that likes new vegas lmao

>>715418249
That game looks like a gay shota bait mixed with a phone game.

>>715418278
I merely grabbed the image as a reaction image, I don't play any western games.

>>715418249
I don't know if this is bait, but I actually do like how that looks. Maybe it's because it reminds me of Maple Story

>>715417953
music for video games doesnt need to be stand out to be amazing, this is just moving the goal post. Things arent either amazing or bad, if the music doesnt stand out and fits the mood but is otherwise not memorable then its totally fine for some games. my favorite game soundtracks DO stand out, like the Nier, Halo, and Persona series as well as Cyberpunk 2077, but that doesnt mean that games that dont have stand out banger soundtracks are bad. Your view of art is about as low IQ as you are, which is to say extremely low. If you dont like the music thats fine, but its definitely not bad. Its all quite competent music. Especially the final few boss themes, this one is pretty good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ze0Rk-m0w2A

>>715418319
Hahahaha! It's actually a very ambitious game

>>715418449
It's not bait, I liked it a lot. It costs more than most metroidvanias though, so if you're interested wait for a sale

>>715414649 (OP)
lil bro thinks he cooked...

>>715418569
>music for video games doesnt need to be stand out
It does need to stand out, for metroidvania games is as integral to the game as the gameplay itself.

Do you think SotN is the genre's role model and flagship just because of the gameplay? Hell no, a lot of its merit goes to the music, the devs knew it and thus why the tile of the game literally tells you that you are in for some good fucking music.

>the OST you posted
>not memorable its totally fine
Unmemorable orchestra slop lmao, thanks for not just proving but actively contributing to my point.

>>715417373
Being a souls like is about gameplay, not setting. And hollow knight is a fucking metroidvania. It does not even have a stamina bar. The only, ONLY thing it shares with dark souls is the currency recovery thing

>>715417953
>post any number of tracks from hk that you think are good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oquad3rnZSI

>>715419081
That's from SotN you blind, deaf retard.

>>715418092
>comparable focuses
i wouldn't say that, but hollow knight is indeed cheap on the area differences, with all the fog and blur and recolored filters
wouldn't saying that the areas are too similar to each other sound better?
>HoD
you have a twisted sense of aesthetics, anonymous
did you actually like the garish #ff0000 on an emulator, or the more muted colors on actual GBA or the recolor mod
>backgrounds/foregrounds
works on my machine
you can bring it back to the first point, and how all the areas are structured visually in the same way, but the entities themselves are fairly distinct from the environment excluding deepnest, but that's the point there
the underground setting is somewhat limiting, but it was never "gray blob" bad, especially since the compositing of static backgrounds and animated characters is basically old hannah-barbera-tier

>>715414649 (OP)
you have to be blind
it looks like a dogshit flash game
extremely flat and no texture
ugly designs
most of your screenshot is blurry and giving me eye cancer
also terrible separation between foreground and background

>>715418941

>>715415725
>if it's not on Steam I CAN'T play it

>>715419298
On a DS Lite. Forgotten Crossroads is a big offender with its repeating shell aesthetic, which is more of an "oh shit, we have to fill this space or it'll be NEStroid black" decision than deliberate visual design. There are good areas, like White Palace, where negative space is advantageous to sell scale and is enhanced by the palette, and background details are huge and distinct when present, like the windows or that big tree and its branches

>>715414649 (OP)
>I don't see rightfully not praised as uncontestable is its art
https://www.orwellfoundation.com/the-orwell-foundation/orwell/essays-and-other-works/politics-and-the-english-language/

For the love of god read the above essay before ever writing another sentence in your life.

>>715415725
zero mission is on mgba which is even easier to download on your computer than steam

>>715415382
Grime

>>715414649 (OP)
>instantly recognizable
>memorable
>unique
>not ugly

you need more?

>>715420397
>GBA castlevanias are also oversaturated on DS screen
shit nigga what are you doing
though if we're bitching about visuals, HoD's solution of a true red outline for clarity is also terrible for the intended screen
the superiour GBAvania put more effort into the player character's outline, which makes blue-white soma look nice in a vacuum and also in any environment (even though a lot of areas had the gray castle walls)

>>715420231
if it isn't on steam it's not worth playing

>>715415873
This is the type of person who calls others fanboys yet behaves like the rabid fanboy he accuses others being. Latching to 1/3 of the games only said to be better in terms of graphics was by the badcompany. Or even antagonizing the mere offer of a criticism, that another game's graphics was better. The indie fanboy will really believes their average, mediocre even, games like Noita are masterpieces. It's useless to even try telling otherwise. How DARE you say Fez isn't that good. They're stuck in Plato's Cave drooling at Shovel Knight.

>>715414649 (OP)
Im not going to disagree, its not some god tier when it comes to visuals, but its on the
>good enough
tier, a 7/10, and that good enough if the rest of the game is excellent enough, which i think it is.

When it comes to art design for a game you need to be 2 things
>not ugly
>catch people's attention (not blow them away)
And i think HK achieves this.

>>715415382
seconding Animal Well. Also try Environmental Station Alpha, you might not like the art though.

i finished nine sols the other day and I'm still thinking about the ending bros
i was kind of tuned out of the story for most of the game but it really hit me by the end

>>715415382
Celeste

>>715426619
nigger

>>715414649 (OP)
Nine Sols shat on Hollow Knight so hard it’s so funny, it showed that the lack of story and characters in souls likes is an excuse for the devs to not put effort in their story and make whatever they want with no rhyme or reason

Silksong will come out and will be the same type of dark soulsy story telling and people will suck its cock and pretend it has a good story

>>715414649 (OP)
the game is boring as fuck, it’s all caves with different themes to them, cave with grass, cave with crystal, dark cave, another dark cave, normal cave, cave with eggs etc
It’s all boring shit, but hey at least there’s a generic castle

>>715415382
Nine Sols is the best one

>>715416212
if dark souls didn’t exist, hollow knight wouldn’t have like 75% of its mechanics faggot

>>715416790
>waaaaah mommy this game plays differently than other games pwweeese mommy i need my metroidvania to have souls likes elements, gimme my sloooop!!

Kys

>>715418249
Good game but it becomes a chore half way through when there’s puzzles after 3 seconds and pretty much every screen is a puzzle, just awful, it does have really good pacing tho

>>715415382
Ori 2 is pretty good as well,
The Messenger is a fun game if you don't fundamentally hate pixelshit, since it actually has quality pixel art
Iconoclasts is pretty linear and babbles on for way too long, but it's very polished and decently fun
Rain World is not really a metroidvania and a big hit or miss game depending on your frustration threshold and affinity for figuring out stuff by yourself, but it is the only game that gave me a feeling of a sprawling giant world like i had with Hollow Knight

>>715414649 (OP)
This game is so fucking boring I can't believe it has such a big fanbase.

I played Nine Sols and enjoyed it had to stop playing because I couldn't beat the final boss. What I don't like is the corpse running mechanic. At least unlike Hollow Knight you don't respawn with half health but due to the way on how much more difficult it is than HK, it makes it so that you pretty much have to focus on dealing with the area you died in, again. And it gets pretty egregious like in certain areas like in the warehouse where you have to wait for the slow containers to move.

In Hollow Knight, it's kind of the opposite problem where it feels so pointless. I hear people say "it's supposed to generate tension and a sense of fear" but it only made me frustrated when I was new to metroidvanias, and when I got good at the game you can just easily rush past the enemies and get back your geos. And you can just quit and reload the game if you think you're going to die.

>>715416425
As somone that likes HK, only point I'd agree with is that the story is non existent and I kind of hate the way Souls like games tell their lore. I didn't really care about the story and lore in HK because of how it's told is so sparsely spread out and theorycrafting and not enough showing. I thought Nine Sols delivered its story, lore and characters MUCH better than HK.

>>715416425
>One (one) 1() weapon
So like arm gun or whip? If you're not counting subweapons, abilities or modifiers then that's the entire genre
>Ein (1x1) character
Again, that's par for the course
>opinion
Subjective
>opinion
Subjective
>opinion
Subjective
>no story
Read nigga, read
>samey locations
Genre staple. Super metroid was 99% cave.