Thread 715443042

What cope will corpos think of now?

Same thing they always say. Government bad, predatory business practices good, nuclear family bad, homosexuality good, mass immigration good.

I think I'll trust Ubisoft on this one...

>>715443042 (OP)
Remember, if a game is made by a company on this list then they intend to kill it, so you might as well pirate everything they do.

>>715443042 (OP)
Gee Nicolae, save some fancy letter accents for the rest of us. But seriously based guy for dabbing on the corpos

THE POOR ALWAYS ONLINE LIVE SERVICE INDIE GAMES

>>715443937
CHADcom not here, based.

>>715444074
...there are indie live service games?

>>715444347
Only one that comes to mind is that lobcorp gacha, but gacha inherently has no value.

>>715444074
I doubt a small studio would have the resources to run all this shit.

>>715444045
>own your own company, keep it private
>don't have "shareholders" pressing you to make political statements constantly
>keep quiet about everything
>win

>>715443042 (OP)
On one hand i agree with the sentiment and i'm 100% if there's even the smallest chance that this kills GaaS shit, but i can't help but feel this will backfire in some way, the fucking US government wants to have an mgs2 style AI surveillance system in everything and EVERYONE impritant is involved with actual honest to God elite pedos, you think that europeans aren't cooking up something similar? Then again i'm not from europe so i literally can't contribute in any way.

>>715444074
>Big corpos using indies as a shield against their own customer's rights
Classic stuff

They don't want you to own anything. They're shitting their pants on how fast SKG is now gaining support. They're trying to turn this into another gamergate and I'm afraid it's actually working.
Game journalists are making Asmongold and Pewdiepie the face of the SKG movement.
>Many developers are now urging #StopKillingGames organizers to take a firmer stance against hate groups and clarify the movement’s values. “Preservation without protection is meaningless,” said Aviv Salinas, co-creator of Blood Nova. “We need to preserve games and the people who make them.”
>As the campaign approaches legislative milestones, its ability to remain inclusive and principled will determine whether it becomes a force for good or another flashpoint in gaming’s long-running culture wars.
That article is a load of fucking sjw sludge.
They're really playing dirty now, how the fuck do we stop them?

This is war.

Why are they trying so fucking hard to turn SKG into another Gamergate?

>>715445179
Got anything other than these same two examples? Doesn't look like they're trying hard enough to me.

>>715445179
It's incredibly funny seeing the left, who calls themselves anticapitalist and anti establishment fall for every single one of their tricks time and time again.
We can already see the context shift happen in real time, it's so fucking sad.

>>715445179
>Ross is a self-serving self-promoting pos
That couldn't be further from the truth. I am usually in favor of publicly executing all content creators, but Ross is genuinely a good guy. Dude's just supremely autistic.
Every comparison with gamergate just serves to justify it retroactively.

>>715445179
What the FUCK is wrong with this guy?

>>715444756
Indies are literally the children of the vidya industry, the only time they come up is when they need an excuse
>THINK OF THE CHILDREN
>THINK OF THE INDIE DEVS

>>715445262
>Picks a literal who that doesn't have a single like or retweet
This is you isn't it

>>715443042 (OP)
BRITBONGS ITT
Today is the FINAL day for you to participate.
The UK has it's own petition. The deadline for it is TODAY.
>https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/702074/
Currently at 188 000 signatures so it has already passed but more is always gooder.
THIS IS YOUR FINAL CHANCE.

>>715445179
Gamergate had an anime girl mascot.
When will SKG have it's own anime girl mascot?

>>715445445
fuck my esl life I'm bad at writing (actually etl, english as TERTIARY language)

>>715444671
Steambros, we can't stop winning!

>>715445583
You did well tertiary bro (most british people don't even know what tertiary means)

>>715444074
>le heckin small studios and indie deverinos!!!!
This is probably the lowest IQ shill take.
Small indie devs arent producing always-online games. They already make games that people just buy and then keep.

Games are not physical products you can "own". They are walks in the park, a ball game with your friends, a trip to an amusement park. They are just things for entertainment to pass the time.
You don't gain full ownership of the park or ball game because you spent $20 on a ticket. Funny how that works huh?

>>715445583
>americans successfully gaslighted the entire bilingual internet into frowning upon their polyglot skills while they barely know their own native language

>>715444214
And yet they've already killed several games.

>>715445570
You do remember how/WHY Vivian exists in the first place, don't you?

>>715445919
You posted the same stupid shit in another thread. We know you're being paid to post this nonsense.

Yes, I can own a copy of Mario Kart World just like I can own a board game. Go fuck yourself.

>>715443937
>Roblox
How would that even work with SKG? That's almost like saying Steam is responsible for maintaining access to every game it sells.
I know a developer can download and distribute his own game files and it probably wouldnt be hard for roblox to have offline with that but I'm sure that's not enough to qualify for SKG.

>>715445445
Yeah no. I'd rather not. I actually want to own my games, not buy them 500 times over.

>>715445445
People need to be aware that the UK will do fuck-all. EU is unironically the best bet.

UK petition only requires that it gets discussed in Parliament. UK MPs arent required to show up to anything in Parliament unless their party literally blackmails them. Look up “chief whips” in UK politics, they’re people whose job is literally to threaten members of their own party to make them show up and vote on shit the head of party wants them to.
So firstly when this is discussed there’s no guarantee more than a couple people will show up
Secondly petitions have a notorious history of being ignored. They never really lead to anything unless it’s some nation-wide scandal or some proposed law named after a kid who died or something.

>>715446000
It's gaslitten you corndog slobbering toothless redneck

The only thing that will happen is games being banned in europe or all euro games being cloud streamed only

>>715446174
Keep telling yourself that corposhill. Just don’t kill yourself when you’re wrong

>>715443937
Nintendo’s the only company that actually cares about consumers.

>>715446108
User-created content is explicitly exempt and doesn't count as features that need to be preserved in an EoL build (not the ability to build custom content mind you, but the user created content itself). Done.

You guys are forgetting that Stop Killing Games isn't a bill that will be passed as-is. It's a rough draft that will (hopefully) be translated into specific legislaton by legislators. And then all edge cases will be considered and specific rules with specific exceptions aland clarifications will be written.

>>715446164
fuck you, corn dogs rock!

Modern copyright law is built for a time when there was no practical means of enforcement and-
>producers own everything
-just made it easy to prosecute bootleggers.

Digital consumers deserve more rights than bootleggers.

>>715444347
Hero Siege would be an example of a arpg with seasons.
But it has an offline mode already so lol lmao.

>>715445445
Yeah no. I'd rather not. I actually want to own my games, not buy them 500 times over. >>715446290
>It's a rough draft that will (hopefully) be translated into specific legislaton by legislators.
Honestly with how people talk about it, barely understanding what they want let alone what it'll do, I doubt it'll be any better.

>>715446290
Next they’re going to claim SKG is too vague for the EU to do anything with even though it is currently one of the examples on the ECI site for how to write your objectives

>>715443573
>Government bad
yes tranny, government indeed bad.

>>715446418
Huh?

>>715446174
>initiative passes
>sale of all games banned in Europe
>thus begins the golden age of european freeware games
>self-host and mod tools included
I'm so down

>>715444905
Gamergate won in the end.

>>715445583
Your regional dialect that has 5 different words doesn't count as a separate language, fag. Ameribros don't fall for their tricks.

GAMERS RISE UP

>>715446486
Government acts whether you ask them to or not. If you’re only mad about government when it is individuals wanting to change laws but don’t care when corporations do it, you are a shill

>>715446174
Ah yes, everyone is going to stop providing games to a huge market, admit that their practices are scummy and then scale up operation costs by enforcing cloud streaming services.
It's always nice to know that some anons are business geniuses.

>>715446562
THE MOST OPPRESSED

>>715443042 (OP)
The chances of anything coming from this were a million to one, they said
But still it came.

>>715446660
Very based reference anon, very based.

>>715444045
Valve has no games that would be affected. This only applies to new non free to play games. They have no reason to care about this.

>>715446660
>But still it came.
And so did I. Or I will, when all the execs line up to an hero because line refuses to go up unless they start making games worth buying again.

>>715446486
Corporations bad. Government sometimes bad, sometimes good. For example, a lot of black people are in jail because of laws. Good.

Love the cause, hate the execution. Forcing indie devs to release offline versions isn’t as simple as people think.

does anyone have the AI webm of jordan peterson crying until the big nose jew (redundant I know) gives him money? i want to show my wife

>>715444074
providing server tools or a not online drm in case of platform shutdown is so hard guys!!!

You can’t demand free labor from indie devs just because you paid $30 once in 2016. That’s not justice, that’s entitlement.

>>715446263
Christ man

>>715446486
Corporations are not your friend, libertaritard. Regulations and vox populi exist for a reason.

>>715446927
here you go husbandanon

>>715446531
americans already fall for every trick ever. no use

>>715446994
This isn't retroactive. It's only for new games. Indie devs should start learning how to make offline modes or allowing private servers.

>>715446263
Every fucking time

>>715446486
yeah supporting corporations (who in turn influence governments), is surely the play here.

you massive, legendary gigaretard

>>715446994
you can demand anything you want, and if the regulation is approved, they will have to do it.

>>715446917
>Forcing indie devs to release offline versions isn’t as simple as people think.
Name 10 indie dev always-online games right now.

>>715447082
My nigger. Thanks

>>715445179
Because if they don't they're going to have to actually put effort into making games, which would cost money. They can't have that happen as long as they want to keep making money.

>>715446994
almost all indie releases already comply with the new rules. and even if they didn't, it only affects games coming out after it has passed.

providing server tools once you shut your service down or making it so your single player game doesn't need online DRM verification if the surrounding service stops functioning, isn't extra "free labour".

it's the expected, decent thing to do

>>715446994
retard

>>715443042 (OP)
>corposhills
>think
Big assumptions here.

>>715445179
All this tells me is that this giy has no idea who ross is or what skg is about, which is funny because who the fuck even is this faggot

The only game I used to play that could shut down is Inquisitor Martyr, always online WH40K ARPG. It never really got big numbers but they have kept it going somehow. I don't still play it but it would be nice if I could if I wanted to when they inevitably shut down. The always online stuff is unnecessary and I think it could easily be made to be offline.

>>715444905
>That article is a load of fucking sjw sludge.
>They're really playing dirty now, how the fuck do we stop them?

I say we start making up a bunch of fake quotes about a non-existent issue. Nothing too sophisticated, we only really need to get the laziest among them feeling persecuted.
Then we just copy-paste our garbage every time a new thread crops up. Easy-peasy-lemon-squeezy.

>>715443042 (OP)
The fuck is that surname, ĥŏẅ §pɛč̣ïął ŷöŭ ñəęđ ŧø ɓė‽

>>715447497
Some has-been that thinks he's hot shit because he wrote 4 lines of dialogue for counter strike 15 years ago. He also made a Golden Eye clone some years ago, that bombed excruciatingly hard.

>>715447442
So you're okay with them killing a game and then releasing an offline version you have to pay for again?

>>715447623
>the american recoils in shock upon seeing something that is unfamiliar to him in his anglojudean muck of franchise stores, strip malls and deracinated cultural "values"

>>715445179
I will now get the rest of my family to sign too.

>>715443042 (OP)
paid corposissies... its not looking good for us...

>>715447715
what are you on about

>>715445445
Those petition are unironically worthless, they will "discuss" it in parliament with like maybe 5 or 6 MPs even there for like 5 minutes at most and then doubled nothing. Not a single one of these went anywhere even that one that got 1 million petitions, EU might do something though
t.bong

>>715444045
Valve doesn't make video games so it doesn't affect them. They also have a monopoly on the PC market and push tranny sales every year. In summary Gabe is a leftwing faggot and was most definitely on Epstein's list.

>>715447714
>goldeneye clone
name?

>>715447715
that is not what this would lead to
what makes you think so?

>>715447715
>games will be required to have end of life plans so purchases aren't invalidated
>DAT MEANS DEY WILL JUST CHARGE U TWICE!!!!
Wow this is exceptionally stupid. I'm impressed anon, genuinely.
>>715447840
>what makes you think so?
Probably fucking nothing.
These people don't have thoughts or logic, they see that SKG is popular and some defect in their brain compels them to be contrarian. They will come up with literally anything and assert is as inevitable as long as it means they get to oppose the popular thing.

>>715443042 (OP)
having governmental support is cringe and evidence that SKG is bad for consumers

>>715444753
>We better not have any consumer protection laws because government might make more laws not related to them!

>>715448041
And the corporate opposition...? That's fine with you huh?

>>715447957
yeah, i agree. basically pic related

online culture war bullshit has truly broken a lot of people

>>715443042 (OP)
That guy is just getting his name out there so the corpos will donate him some money for no reason in particular

>>715444905
nigga they arent relevant, heres some actual sludge though, as requested

>>715447840
>name?
Anacrunis or something like that. If the name's off, look up the guys wiki page and see what he's been involved in. It's the newest thing he's done.
It's set in the 60s/70s I think. Golden Eye clone might be a bit of a stretch, but that was the impression I got last time I saw it discussed.

>>715443042 (OP)
they will start selling the games as services instead of products

>>715444045
If stop killing games goes through, companies would one less major reason to delist their games from storefronts. Ergo, in the long run it would benefit Steam as people keep going through their wishlist backlog every sale.

>>715444045
Bruh Gaben gives away the entire valve catalog every year for free. The man is still and will always be the video game patron saint.

>>715447840
>that is not what this would lead to
>what makes you think so?
Simple, there's nothing saying they can't do that and it's the most lucrative option for a company.
Remember, you're talking about a companies and corporations that regularly exploit every loophole they can. Don't assume they're going to be nice just because the EU passed a law giving them rules.

Only an illogical idiot would assume they're going to prioritise the consumer after years of not doing so case in point this anon >>715447957
He doesn't have a reason to believe companies won't fuck him over, he just has an odd faith in them.

>>715448234
And then they'll get cockslapped by the EU because games has already been defined as goods and not services.

>>715448205
i see yeah, not that similar sadly.

I love the general design philosophy and framework of GE and PD and would love to see something like it again

>>715447772
fuck you, it serves no purpose

>>715446787
Half Life was released in 1998. It works on Windows 11 with the latest GPU and CPUs. That is far beyond what the legislation is asking for.

>>715447263
Every indie game only on steam :))

>>715448234
Kek that's what anti-SKG shills already say is happening.
You're both wrong though.
Current laws on services require that the duration of the service is defined. So no more "we will turn the servers off without warning when it is no longer profitable"
You also wouldn't be able to sell things like skins or non-consumable in-game items because they are digital assets and you are conceding that you can't provide for consumers to keep their purchases.
Aside from the law itself, people are also going to be far less willing to pay $80 upfront for a "service".

Games industry doesn't want to be categorized as a service, simple as that.

>>715448294
>The man is still and will always be the video game patron saint.
Categorically untrue.
He does not qualify for sainthood as long as he thinks he's entitled to my phonenumber AND my money if I want to buy something on steam. Especially not when the official excuse for why he wants it is a flat out lie.

>>715448336
Not how that works by the way. Streaming games and giving them out as part of a subscription would fall under service.

>>715448545
See >>715448507 retard corposhill.

>>715448545
good morning saar
EU law applies here, not burgerlaw.

>>715444074
Reminder that it's the indie developers that are constantly releasing dedicated servers for their online games.

>>715448440
Cool and all but it's still an old game. This only affects new games you spend money on. Deadlock is free to play and I don't know of any other valve games in production.

>>715446263
the only way they care is by leaving back doors into every console to allow hacks
Switch 2 hacks coming in 5 days

>>715448303
>Simple, there's nothing saying they can't do that
it's built-in due to the clause about having to provide end of life options.
they'd still have to do that when abandoning an old game and want to resell it.

>you're talking about a companies and corporations that regularly exploit every loophole they can
i agree with this sentiment generally, but I don't understand how doing nothing right now is in any way better.
also the demands are pretty clear without really any loophole possibility. especially since gsmes have already been defined as goods, not services, as another anon has already pointed out

Am i the only one that wants this shit to end in failure and to see skggers eat crow just because i'm sick and tired of seeing this shit spammed 24/7 across the board for the last month every time a nothingburger update on their gay ass petition is happening?
>HEY GUYSE BIG UPDOOT:1.1 MILLION SIGNATURES
>HEY GUYSE BIG UPDOOT:1.2 MILLION SIGNATURES
>HEY GUYSE BIG UPDOOT:1.3 MILLION SIGNATURES
>HEY GUYSE BIG UPDOOT:SOME FAGGOT NOBODY HAS HEARD OF BEFORE AND NOBODY WILL AGAIN SAID SOMETHING
>HEY GUYSE BIG UPDOOT 2:SOME FAGGOT NOBODY HAS HEARD OF BEFORE AND NOBODY WILL AGAIN STILL SAYING SOMETHING

>>715448507
>Kek that's what anti-SKG shills already say is happening.
>You're both wrong though.
I mean, ps+, NSO, xbl/gamepass. They already exist.
>Current laws on services require that the duration of the service is defined. So no more "we will turn the servers off without warning when it is no longer profitable"
That's not even remotely the same thing.
There's a difference between the duration of a subscription and the duration of a service, the latter being determined by popularity and profit rather than facing a set time. If it fails it fails and they close it and they can legally do that without providing recompense because they're providing a service and not goods.

>>715448721
>and want to resell it.
I can't think of a single time a company has resold an old game without remastering it and thereby making it new.

>>715448410
>more irrational, ignorant kvetching by the circumcised amerigoy

you just don't understand the purpose, you uncultured rat. you're the kind of retard that looks at a machine and thinks it's useless because he doesn't understand anything that's going on.
holy shit you're dumb

>>715448739
Name several other things that are spammed more on here and thus should annoy you more.

>>715447837
stop shitposting here, Tim
fix your fucking engine instead

>>715448303
>Only an illogical idiot would assume they're going to prioritise the consumer after years of not doing so case in point this anon >>715447957 (You)
>He doesn't have a reason to believe companies won't fuck him over, he just has an odd faith in them.

>companies will fuck you over!!!!!!! so stop trying to regulate companies!!!!!1
This certainly is a new level of retardation anon.

>>715448593
>>715448630
I'm not American but good job not addressing the argument. Not that I expected much from people rallying behind a YouTuber who didn't think
>hmm I wonder if companies can exploit this
Before signing.

>>715448739
Yes, because most people who aren't retarded just use a filter

>>715448739
yeah you're the only one

>>715448739
>crying about a temporary topic that will go away in a couple weeks
How about you go cry about all those AI threads, coomer threads and gacha shit threads that are not going anywhere unless mods ban them

>>715448496
Steam would have to have an end of life policy

>>715448739
Too bad you won't get your wish. 1.35M signatures btw

>>715448825
You're thinking of a remake, remasters are just ports which wouldn't be considered new.

>>715448739
>HEY GUYS I'M TIRED OF KNOWING MY RIGHTS WILL BE UPHELD

>>715448739
>i want a worse outcome for everyone because i am slightly inconvenienced when browsing my anonymous online serbian bottle collecting forum

your spite and utter anti human outlook is almost impressive in its sheer negativity and holistic hatred.
go to the gym or do anything productive, please. good luck

>>715448739
I just want it to fail because there are numerous ways companies can exploit this.

>>715448825
even if they did that, they'd still have to have end of life options for the original.

stop being intentionally illogical and ignorant

>>715448925
You have no argument raShit. You tried to argue from a burgerlaw point of view, which is irrelevant.

>>715448820
>There's a difference between the duration of a subscription and the duration of a service, the latter being determined by popularity and profit rather than facing a set time.
Holy fuck you're diagnosed retarded aren't you?

There is no difference in law between a subscription and a service, this is something you have just made up. A subscription is just a rolling contract for a service.
Every service you have ever fucking contracted for, your phone bill, your mechanic, your plane ticket:
Every single fucking one of them defines when the service will be considered completed or when the contract ends.

There is no getting around this. You cannot have a contract that says "eh it ends when 1 party unilaterally feels like it should end". Contracts define termination clauses, and consumer contracts have a shit load of protection to allow them to enforce rights and not be at the mercy of companies.

You don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about.

>>715449079
How do you know in which ways it can be exploited if the legislation hasn't even been drafted yet?

>>715448294
Valve popularized the modern lootbox and practically runs multiple in game casinos. Gaben is anything but a gaming saint and should be catching as much if not more attention than EA with Battlefront 2.

>>715444074
>American
>is retarded bootlicker for big corporations
Every time.

>>715448952
>a couple weeks
It's been a year

>>715448925
>companies are exploiting consumers
>but don't sign the consumer rights petition, companies might exploit it!!!!!!
Possibly the weakest concern trolling it's ever been my misfortune to witness

>>715445179
>1 retweet
oh no

>>715448830
Curious, you needed none of those stupid accents in your tirade. It's almost like they serve no purpose

>>715448895
The only regulation companies understand is not giving them money. It's like you're not considering the fact that they exist to make money by any means necessary.

If this passed a while ago Overwatch 1 would still be playable on private servers.

>>715446158
Weirdly the UK will likely just go along with whatever the EU does anyway, because it's in some sort of weird limo state where it adopted a lot of EU law post brexit anyway, to avoid having to actually write new ones to replace them.

>>715444045
>Valve and CDPR not on the list
Feels good to not buy from EGS.

>>715449268
Was "money" used to force Apple to put USB-C on iPhones? or was it legislation?

>>715444045
only companies that make games are on the list, anon

>>715447076
>libertaritard
commies try not to use the word they get made out for LOL

>>715449138
It's just his truism. He doesn't have to prove shit because he doesn't really believe the things he says. SKG is popular, so he is compelled to be a contrarian and say actually it will be bad. Vague mistrust is the easiest thing to base a hollow argument on

>we want X
>uh oh anon, have you considered that X might not work out how you intended?
>how?
>uh just uh because it MIGHT not okay???

>>715449352
>only companies that make games
>epic
Uhhhh

>>715449328
>CDPR
>not EGS
who's gonna tell him?

>>715449215
There hasn't been constant threads for a year

>>715449208
Without Valve pc gaming would be raped by EA or Microshart.

>>715449079
>>715448925
profoundly retarded thing to say, when the alternative is giving them free reign to fuck you over without even having to try to find loopholes and exploits.

>>715449231
because english doesn't have them, you massive gigaretard

>>715446263
>soiboys on /v/ insulted him for telling the truth

>>715449490
>profoundly retarded thing to say, when the alternative is giving them free reign to fuck you over without even having to try to find loopholes and exploits.
Stop it anon, you're scaring him with basic common sense

>>715449137
>this is something you have just made up.
It's not. A subscription has to have a clear duration end of service only needs a 30 day warning and to fulfil obligations before shutting down. You didn't know any of this before today, did you.
>Every service you have ever fucking contracted for, your phone bill, your mechanic, your plane ticket:
Okay, so tell me when each and every provider will end, you did say they had to tell consumers when it would happen so post a few.

>You cannot have a contract that says "eh it ends when 1 party unilaterally feels like it should end".
Anon, we aren't talking about the service as a product. We're talking about full on shutdowns, as in the service will soon cease to be. You do understand that right?

>>715449423
epic does make games, newfag-kun

>>715448739
Typical jewish behaviour demonstrated by (you)

>>715449598
So does Valve. They're making Deadlock. Deadlock would be the kind of game affected by the proposal, except it's already compliant, because it allows direct IP connection to custom dedicated servers, because Valve doesn't suck. So they don't care about SKG.

>>715449598
The last game they made was fucking Fortnite in 2017. Valve made Half Life Alyx in 2020.

>>715444074
Lmfao

Does this asshole live under a rock? Indie devs are the few people still making games the correct way. Whatever man, what a crazy post.

>>715449548
If you had common sense you would have argued your point instead of just samefagging and calling people retards over and over like that's the extent of your English insults.

I'm still waiting for arguments by the way, no one here has said how or why it couldn't easily be exploited making things worse than they already are. All you're doing is crying basically.

>>715449580
>end of service only needs a 30 day warning and to fulfil obligations before shutting down.
Hello? Retard. That is a defined duration which is precisely what I fucking said.
>Okay, so tell me when each and every provider will end, you did say they had to tell consumers when it would happen so post a few.
Depends on the contract.
My phone bill lasts for 2 years. My mechanic's service ends when the contracted work is completed. The plane ticket guarantees they will get me to the airport I contracted them for via either a specific flight or in certain circumstances alternative flights.
Wow! That sure was hard anon, you got me.

You're the worst shill I have ever seen. The retard just spamming the last thread was more convincing than you.

>>715449708
they technically funded Alan Woke 2 which came out in 2023
what games is valve funding with their billions?
just deadlock?

>>715443042 (OP)
>nothing of value happened
Wow....stunning AND brave

>>715449808
>get proven wrong
>act smug
Has this ever worked for you before anon?

>>715446108
It's not retroactive, it does not affect Roblox. It would affect if Roblox released Roblox 2 but that does not seem likely. Also, if the initiative succeeds, screenshot this, every company will release the games in Early Access a week before it comes into action to avoid it

>>715449892
>petition hasn't even closed yet
>NOTHING HAS HAPPENED!!!!
This thread has perhaps the most embarrassingly lazy shills I have ever seen. I hope your masters aren't paying you for such low quality work

>>715445179
Because it worked the first time. With government funding anything is possible.

>>715445583
>>715445445
I excuse everything but using the word "it's" incorrectly. I think you should be flogged for that.

>>715449808
that's not how that works.
the outline of how the new rules should work has been clearly stated.

it is up to (you) to provide an explanation how this could be exploited, forst of all. Second of all, you have also not provided any explanation how the new way of exploitation (which you never described) could be any worse than it is now, where we have basically no protection whatsoever.

>>715449546
Explain in no less than 300 words how Nintendo cares about you.

>>715449828
>That is a defined duration which is precisely what I fucking said.
No no it isn't. You're thinking of a subscription. You buy a year, it ends in a year.
We're talking about end of service, it can happen at any time and the only warning will be that last 30 days.
>Depends on the contract.
No, because there is no contract with an end of service. If you bought a year sub and they announce an eos, tough shit, you get 30 days of use. That's how it works.

>You're the worst shill I have ever seen.
That's because I'm not trying to sell you anything, I'm here to explain where you're going wrong because, let's be honest, you're not very smart. Most eastern Europeans aren't and I assume that's what you are.

>>715450156
>>715449580
You would consider Netflix to be a subscription right? So lets see what they have to say in their Terms of Service...service? Oh no. Anon. Oh no no no no.

>>715450156
>If you bought a year sub and they announce an eos, tough shit, you get 30 days of use. That's how it works.
Kek this is not in fact how it works. Not without a refund anyway.
What must it be like to live in a world where reality is whatever you decide it is for the purposes of an internet argument? Fascinating.

>>715443042 (OP)
>What cope will corpos think of now?
But anon do you really think politicians dont work for corpos though?

>>715450250
Also even if EU law did indeed work like that (which, like you said, it doesn't) isn't it funny that shills treat law like it's this unmovable thing that cannot be changed when the entire premise of the initiative is to change the law
> Haha your initiative to change the law won't work because the current law doesn't work like that
One would have to be seriously stupid not to understand the contradiction in their logic

>>715448739
there's so many other threads spammed to get your panties in a bunch over
stfu

>>715446108
Users give each other map files like Gmod. Not hard

>>715450156
>it is lawful for companies to rugpull customers by selling them year-long service contracts and then immediately cancelling
Lmao maybe in India that’s how that works

Mods can keep deleting threads but I will keep posting this.
Just a reminder as to what vile industry snakes are lobbying against SKG.

>>715446486
>"FUCK THE GOVERNMENT! NOBODY CAN CONTROL ME"
>goes back to sucking the jewish cock of billionaire CEOs'

>>715443573
FPBP

>>715450725
Mods aren't deleting threads anymore actually. In fact I was in a thread earlier where the mod was deleting porn spam and left the thread up. I think they fired the shill janitor.

>>715449895
It's working now, you're showing you don't understand what you're supporting with every post.

>>715450060
>should work has been clearly stated.
No one is arguing that it wouldn't. The problem is that there's more holes than Swiss cheese in it.
>it is up to (you) to provide an explanation how this could be exploited
Very easy
Offer it as a service for starters, this pertains to products and as such services wouldn't be affected
Another anon, mentioned that they could just resell games as "offline" versions after a game is killed that you have to pay for again like that mobile animal crossing game which many of you praise.
Charging for server software and putting drm in that since it isn't a video game they're free to do that.
Pulling an mmo where you have to buy a game and then a sub on top which is still considered a service

There are quite a few ways to get around it as it is now and I doubt they'll get brought up in discussion.

>>715445262
>>715445179
>1 minute apart
Reminder this is a false flag by corpos to distract you.

>>715450785
They deleted a perfectly on topic SKG thread yesterday.

>>715450181
>>715450250
>>715450542
>>715450690
Note how all of you have only said
>that's not how it works
Without explaining how it does.

>>715448739
Yeah god bless
>DALL-E general
>Yu-Gi-Oh general
>FFXIV general
>Uma Musume general
>Deltarune general

>>715450828
>they will just change the name of what they’re doing to avoid regulations
Yeah lol cos that worked so well for every company that ever tried it. They definitely didn’t get raped in court.

Also you keep ignoring the part where there are regulations on services too. Convenient that you lost that argument and have just decided to ignore it

>>715450870
I mean, wouldn't you delete a thread if every conversation about it is
>I have concerns about this
>SHUT UP CORPO SHILL JUST SIGN
>YOU'RE INDIAN OR AMERICAN OR SOMETHING THAT'S NOT EUROPEAN

>>715450967
>>they will just change the name of what they’re doing to avoid regulations
I don't know what you're reading because it certainly isn't my post.

I dont get how people are even against this, ''oh you bought this 8 year old online game? sorry the servers are closed'' why the hell is the game even on sale

>>715450892
I explained precisely how it works. Contracts for services have clauses that define termination. If video games were sold as a service they would have to say how long access to the service lists for and could not on a whim turn off servers and leave their consumers with nothing.

You have attempted to avoid this by saying subscriptions are legally different to services- which is retarded. For one thing, you have backed it up with nothing, despite now asking me to prove to you how things actually work. But for another, a subscription is merely a type of service and the laws on services still apply.

Keep digging though this is going well for you

>>715450915
To be fair they at least talk about the games.
Here if you try to talk about SKG it's just shitposting whenever anyone actually tries to discuss it.

>>715450915
>>DALL-E general
I remember when this board used to lament the how people stopped making OC, now we've got a 24/7 general dedicated to producing total fucking slop 8 days a week.

>>715450991
>concerns
such as?

>>715450991
>I wasn’t concerned when corporations lobbied for laws in their favor but I AM concerned when consumers try to get laws that benefit them
>WTF WHY AM I GETTING CALLED A CORPO SHILL?!?!

>>715446518
I'd take her for burgers if you get my gist

>>715451142
>Contracts for services have clauses that define termination.
Again, we're talking about end of service. Why is it that you can't stay on topic?
>You have attempted to avoid this by saying subscriptions are legally different to services- which is retarded.
Just because you don't understand the difference between the service as a product and access to it doesn't make it retarded, it's just a level of comprehension that's beyond what you can handle.
I mean this entire time you've trying to equate end of service to expiry of your subscription and those are two entirely different things which you can't accept since it would mean discarding your only argument.

>>715446263
wicked bait

>>715451208
See what I mean, you don't even know if people do have problems with corporations doing that, it's like you can't comprehend being concerned about two different things or there being a middle ground.
Of course, your side is also fellating corporations but you're seemingly ignorant of what you're doing.

>>715450991
Why are you "concerned" about something that aims to regulate corporations, not you? Were you concerned about Steam refunds?

>>715451538
Yes, if steam didn't have refunds we would have so many amazing and revolutionary <2 hour games

>>715450828
>Offer it as a service for starters, this pertains to products and as such services wouldn't be affected
games are goods not services, legally in europe. has been stated multiple times too btw.

>they could just resell games as "offline" versions after a game is killed that you have to pay for again
they'd still have to provide end of life options for the old game. this has also been stated multiple times by other anons

>Charging for server software and putting drm in that since it isn't a video game they're free to do that
can't do that. because that is an extra cost that is necessary to keep the game functional in an end of life scenario. the very thing that this motion specifically adresses

>Pulling an mmo where you have to buy a game and then a sub on top which is still considered a service
they can only do that as long they actively support the game and its included features. i.e. not an end of life scenario.


okay so, aside from everything here being based on ignorance, all of that would already be doable by companies now.

>>715451340
>lie repeatedly
>make the whole conversation about unpicking your lies
>repeat the same things over and over again without evidence while demanding others refute what you say

>>715443937
>ESL
>Faceit
Nigger what?

>>715451123
contrarianism

>>715451523
>corporate interests are not consumer interests
>correct
>consumers are currently being exploited by corporations
>correct
>it would be desirable if the balance was in favor of consumers
>correct
>so we should petition for the law to be changed to redress this balance
>NOOOOOO YOU CANT ADVOCATE FOR CONSUMER RIGHTS!!!! WHAT IF THE CORPORATIONS EXPLOIT IT SOMEHOW?!?!?
Concern trolling.

>>715451538
>Why are you "concerned" about something that aims to regulate corporations, not you?
Ever heard of the saying "the road to hell is paved with good intentions"?
If you don't understand what that means then I'll tell you, it means, even if you want to do good it doesn't necessarily result in good and as someone who genuinely likes this hobby I'm going to think about as many possible outcomes as I can and weigh the good options against the bad as well as who it would ultimately benefit and as it stands there's no real consumer benefit over what we already have especially since this only really applies to games that you shouldn't be buying in the first place since they tend to be extremely low quality vs the games without DRM or being sold as a service.

TL;DR I put the thought in instead of just blindly following a YouTuber.

>>715451812
The EU is a service, if corpos don't want to participate in the EU market they won't have to provide eol support.

>>715451945
TL;DR youre a concern trolling nigger who will lie whenever it suits him and make vague arguments he can’t back up because being opposed to current popular thing matters more to you than being honest or correct

>>715451945
That's a bunch of words saying absolutely nothing, lmao. Can you articulate a concise point?

>>715446787
NO ONE has games that would be affected you retard. You said it yourself, it applies to new games. If Valve made another thing like Artifact they would affect them, yes.

>>715451834
I don't get why a glorified server farm would be against this either when not even valve is.

>>715443042 (OP)
>Nicolae-Bogdănel Ștefănuță or Nicu Ștefănuță (born 3 January 1982) is a progressive[3] Romanian politician who has been serving as a Member of the European Parliament since 2019.[4]
>Ștefănuță attended the 2024 Bucharest Pride,[18] and identifies as an ally of the LGBTQIA+ community.[19]

>>715452063
He doesn’t have a point, he has vagueries about exploitation.
Then you will ask him what the exploitation will be and he says games as a service
Then you point out to him that services are also regulated and would impose conditions on games that games companies would not like
Then he will say actually there is a legal distinction he just invented in his mind that means you would have no rights- how this is different to the current state of affairs where you already has no rights, he cannot explain

>>715451945
What a retarded waste of time. Would you say the same shit if Steam refunds, GoG's DRM free policy or EU deciding that customers have the right to sell used premium software licences were announced today?
And I don't care about ecelebs. I fucking hate always online shit and will happily support SKG, instead of "voting with my wallet" AKA ignoring the problem like you retards keep telling me to.

>>715451538
>Why are you "concerned" about something that aims to regulate corporations, not you?
nta but I am concerned because the european jobmarket is already fucked and companies leaving or deciding to invest less into the EU because of more and more retarded regulations means even worse conditions and job prospects

>>715452379
...this has what to do with always online games again?

Ignore the troll. He's just posting vague comments for shitposting's sake.
Don't even reply to him if he replies to this post.

>>715452478
more regulations means companies will be less likely to invest into the EU which means less jobs and worse conditions in the ones that are still here due to to higher competition
just look at software dev wages in the eu (or all other professions for that matter)
Even in germany senior devs get like 60k before taxes which are almost at 50% at this point and in countries like Italy, Hungary, Spain, Slovakia, Greece its even worse.

>>715452478
He is an Indian on a work visa. Notice how when he explained how he thinks the law on services works, someone laughed at him and said maybe that’s how it works in India, it’s the only response he didn’t reply to.

>>715452783
>everyone I don't like is indian

>>715452692
Can we laugh at him for being a pajeet at least?
>>715452816
Just you specifically, Rajesh. I note you haven’t denied it.
Madharchod

>>715451725
>games are goods not services, legally in europe. has been stated multiple times too btw.
That's not how that works at all. The difference between a good and a service is basically how it's provided. You wouldn't call Netflix a good because of the existence of DVDs in the same way you wouldn't call a subscription service that allows you to download games a good just because single purchases exist.
And that's how it actually works in the EU. It would be complete havoc if it worked the way you described.

>they'd still have to provide end of life options for the old game.
Yeah, and that would be the offline version you have to pay for, there's nothing currently saying that they couldn't do that and seeing as they've included one of those games as an example already it wouldn't look good to officials if they just said that's not actually what they wanted.

>because that is an extra cost that is necessary
This is another issue of wording because no one said that they couldn't charge for it and again, it's not a video game unto itself so regular software laws would apply.
>the very thing that this motion specifically adresses
Sadly it doesn't as you can see here. >>715447442

>they can only do that as long they actively support the game and its included features. i.e. not an end of life scenario.
They wouldn't have to make an end of life plan because it's being sold as a service that's the issue here.

>aside from everything here being based on ignorance,
I mean at least you admit you're ignorant.
Jokes aside, it is worrying how much you didn't actually know and how loose you think laws are.
>all of that would already be doable by companies now.
Yes? The point is that the SKG doesn't prevent any of it.

>>715452905
Saar please to explain how your idea of a service industry where we have no rights (which could not exist because of laws on services) is worse than a purchase industry where we have no rights

>>715446486
Both bad.

>>715452905
>you don’t get it guys! If this petition becomes law corporations will exploit it…by continuing to do everything they already do…
Okay?

>>715453001
Sure, as soon as you show you can comprehend what was being said.

>>715452889
mindbroken leftist faggot as usual

>>715452698
Okay, so you have nothing to say.
>>715452816
Indians get hired to defend corporations online.

>>715453140
My good saar I am ask you only one thing. Please do the needful and I swear I shall NOT redeem

>>715453279
>Indians get hired to defend corporations online
That explains the SKG shills. After all you lot are telling people to buy more.

>>715453279
>say something
>Okay, so you have nothing to say.
skg niggers arent the sharpest tools in the shed

Ooo he really stopped finding it funny when the Indian insults came out didn’t he? Guess that confirms that then.

>>715453378
Who?

>>715453460
skg shill is having a melty

>>715453370
>fak u bloody bastard saar Home Depot is bigger economy than your whole EU!!
Why don’t you go work there then, Pajeet? Couldn’t get the H1B?

>>715453513
out of arguments? how does that leftist eu boot taste tranny?

>>715446291
Good damnit jack

Friendly reminder that the trick to breaking the pooinloo is to keep going. Eventually chatgpt stops giving him something he can use to argue with and he tucks tail and run.

>>715453634
Wait that was jack? The arm looks way to skinny.

>>715444074
then don't create scummy faggot games if your a shit tier tiny little indie studio, lol
just make a good game, I swear twitter is just a containment zone for every retard in the world.

>>715453671
>anyone who doesnt support regulations is an indian
smartest skg shill

>>715453671
I mean the problem with that is twofold
1) you can't exhaust an AI like that
2) you're not talking to pajeets using it, the responses are too quick and they aren't nearly as robotic. They also don't use those weirdly long dashes.

>>715453349
No. I'm telling people that I don't want always online shit.
>>715453370
Yes, "bro this will surely do bad things...I don't know what, but surely it will end badly!!!" is the definition of having nothing to say.

>>715450785
peak Asia/NA hour mods delete them sometimes, EU hour mods basically never

@715453603
Saar I shall NOT redeem this post

>>715453738
You still haven’t denied it Rajesh

>>715453908
legit 80 iq shitskin reply

cant wait for EU to rape these greedy publishers

>>715444074
Allow users to host their own servers.

Problem solved!

>>715454035
you havent denied being a tranny either

>>715444074
>b-but what about poor indie devs?? we should be allowed to steal your money! it's convenient for us!
Anyone who opposes SKG outs himself as a gigantic FAGGOT who should never be trusted.

>>715453908
>I'm telling people that I don't want always online shit
Then tell them not to buy always online shit.

>>715443042 (OP)
Between Ross, Moistcritikal and Asmongold who did the most to popularize the SKG movement?

>>715454368
Who cares?

>>715444074
>console schlop avatar
Yeah it's a faggot

>>715454515
I do otherwise I wouldn't have asked

>>715454041
>saar it is YOU that is the brown, not me! Madharchod!
Jason Hall is not sending his best

>>715444347
Idleon is made by one guy, so I think that counts.

>>715446486
I agree, that's why we should get rid of the goverment backed monopoly that is copyright, that would solve this

You WOULD support that, right anon?

>>715447715
Yes, actually, I'd also be okay with it if it just raised the cost of games to like 100 USD or some shit. It wouldn't be ideal but it'd be better then how shit works now.

If a game becomes unplayable it might as well cost $999999999999999 since it's just as unobtainable, so a game costing $100 or having an extra $20 fee to unlock the offline version is still better then nothing

>>715446486
>"The government can't fuck me in the ass if I'm already busy getting fucked by the corporations! And if they manage to do it anyway, it wasn't filled enough!"

>>715444756
It's even funnier because indie games are mostly unaffected since none of them have the funds to run a GaaS or have always-online DRM.

>>715454621
>Madharchod
I've seen a lot of you people say this when making fun of pajeets but what does it even mean?

>>715446034
Do you?
Name the game.

>>715454121
If voting with your wallet worked there would be no need for laws because bad things would never be profitable. Now what?

>>715453370
>Public
Issue #1. A lot of European companies, even rather big ones, are still family owned or otherwise not publicly listed
>Less than 50 years old
Issue #2. A lot of big European companies are OLD and then they just swallow up newcomers... also American and Chinese firms love to buy them out. So it's not that they don't exist, the problem is that as soon as their is a promising upstart, it quickly gets absorbed into a bigger, older entity (more protectionism is required here).
>Market cap
Issue #3. Market cap doesn't tell you shit about a company's productivity, just it's memetic value. More on that later.
>Lists T-Mobile as American
It's a German company. And it's probably not the only European company listed as American for some reason.

Also finally:
>Stock evaluation doesn't say a thing about how productive these companies ACTUALLY are.

Reminder folks: "GDP measures everything except that which makes life worthwhile" -Bobby Kennedy 1968.

In general a lot of these companies are valued so high simply because they are in the S&P500. Which now means every single pension fund across the globe will start investing into it. It's basically an automatic thing. S&P500 are considered untouchable (2008 has proven that), and because of that are considered the safest bet.

So the "value" of these stocks is not in their income, but in the fact that they contain large portions of the accumulated pensions for every single human being on earth.

SAP for instance is now technically older than 50 years old (53 to be exact) and has a market cap of $350 billion.

>>715453795
>you can't exhaust an AI like that
You actually can, if you know something about the topic yourself. A chatbot is just a glorified search engine, it will eventually start returning wrong results and the poo just stops responding. It happens frequently in these threads.

>>715454718
>I agree, that's why we should get rid of the goverment backed monopoly that is copyright
That's not really government backed nor does it have anything to do with monopolies.

It also wouldn't solve any of this, in fact companies would probably double down on personal protections like how you had codes you needed to input for games in the 80s.

>>715454797
Means “fuck your mother” or something, I don’t know I just heard it on scambait channels

>>715454960
people always cling to this fantasy as if the average person isn't an impulse driven, cattlebrained retard who never critically thinks for a second if they're being exploited.

if they weren't, apple as a company would look very different, and having to pay to play online on consoles wouldn't be a thing.
and these are two more benign examples

>>715455012
>It happens frequently in these threads
NTA but that would explain why pro SKGers ultimately end up using random Indian insults then.

>>715455168
Sure, because between a couple of retards signing a petition and multi milion, if not bilions, companies it's the first who are more likely to employ pajeets shills.

>>715444905
>>715445179
>>715445262
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/image/4xmlDpi_x6IT4GXbkBut-g/
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/image/Q5sNcusBNRgQE2RzTioIjA/
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/image/owrJeUPYkVJFsWEPyWj2AA/
Always the same three posts in row in every SKG thread trying to push left vs right. It's a corpobot shill and mods do nothing about it(because mods also are on corpo payroll).
Got a warning for "false report" when I reported them. Same with some other stuff that was spreading misinformation.
So just FYI for other anons if you are wondering why he gets away with spamming the same 3 pics on every thread and pushing flamewar idpol shit for corpos.

>>715455147
Thing is, there are actually a lot of examples where voting with your wallet actually worked but the problem is that most people don't care enough for their fellow man to band together nowadays

>>715455401
I wouldn't dispute that voting with your wallet works.

but it working in our favour depends on the majority of consumers being conscious

>>715455326
You know SKG literally doesn't do anything particularly negative for companies right? The objective is to make people think it does so they think it's safe to buy modern games because, if you hadn't noticed they haven't been selling very well lately.

>>715455401
It's less about not caring, and more about the sheer scale of things these days. 200 years ago 10,000 people boycotting something would do serious harm, but 1 million doing the same these days is barely a drop in the bucket. Second problem is awareness, actually spreading awareness of the boycott can be extremely difficult, especially through multiple language barriers. This makes it all the more impressive how well SKG has done.

>>715455369
based noticer. thanks anon

>>715455656
It's not even about being conscious of the consequences be cause I mean, most people signing this didn't think about what skg actually does. At the end of the day most people are just cattle, if you make a big enough noise they'll join in.

But for that you need a core that cares.

Can someone post the "mongrels dogs at Ubisoft will face our wrath" Ross meme? I can't find it online

>>715448739
this the the spam you're worried about? not the rest of the ocean of shit? fuck off

>>715454621
how is that neovagina healing?

>>715456125
Outside of sonyfags and their obsession with shitting on Nintendo and Fringe posters like eck and butts, what ocean of shit?
I've seen you people complain about deltarune threads before but they talk about the game, most threads do here it's just
>AGREE WITH ROSS OR DIE INFIDEL
24/7.
Its just a YouTuber circlejerk

>>715446870
Corporations mass produce the cheap food, and governments wage the useless wars.
It's fucking amazing how Marxism convinces people to be illiterate and obsessed with nothing but blind envy and spite.

>>715456452
>what ocean of shit?
YOU'RE STANDING WAIST DEEP IN IT

>>715455797
yeah true

>>715455020
Anon, the bottom line of this movement is copyright, this movement would not be a thing if it wasn't for copyright, SKG is not addressing copyright nor it intends to but at the end of the day this mess is caused mostly because we're renting instead of buying.

>>715456506
marxism is entirely driven by a core of hating nature and humanity.
which is a shame because there is some stuff in there that are just good and true.

you'd think if there were political ideologies that are like marxism without the retarded parts, they would be silenced everywhere and there would be a lot of counter propaganda hmm....>>715456506

>>715456796
>because we're renting instead of buying.
No, no we aren't. I hate how you people have interpreted owning a permanent licence as fucking renting like you're expected to give back discs

>>715446263
Thid post really triggered all the steaming turds and snoyggers. Its the truth though. Nintendo is the only one left making actual games.

>>715457027
That's what literally they expect to do, Ubilol expects you to destroy the copy of the game when support stops, and let's not even get into Nintendo.

We're renting, the only thing between them and us is the distribution method, if/when they can standardize a "Netflix for games" kind of thing they will start to enforce this crap.

>>715444753
I do agree, and anyone going
>"Durrr shill doesn't want consumer protections"
it's either underaged, extremely oblivious, ignores any politics not related to culture war shit, or all of the above. When it comes to bigger governments, overreach is a very real and very bad reality we have to be aware of, not to mention that governments can be absolutely retarded and do things that are not in anyone's interests but their own.
Yes, this is something that needs to happen, but be aware that they can and will fuck it up in some way.

>>715455168
No, totally other guy, we call you benchod and dalit because we know you're pooinloos living a miserable excuse for a life, working a shit job with zero hope for a better future. And the saddest part is you are too fucking stupid to actually realize this and honestly believe you will surely become rich on just 2 more weeks.

Is corpo common slang now?

>>715452905
Netflix doesn't own the main content behind their service; they only license it.

>>715443867
I like the alternative headline more:
>Gamers Say Ubisoft Exec Needs To Get Comfortable With "Not Owning Their Company"

>>715446263
Based. Nintendo is our friend.

>>715457309
>Ubilol expects you to destroy the copy of the game when support stops, and let's not even get into Nintendo.
No one does you illiterate dipshit. You probably read a screenshot that said
>if these conditions are broken your copy must be destroyed
But because you're retarded you didn't notice the part where they mention those conditions which has nothing to do with end of service and everything to do with copyright aka illegal distribution.

>We're renting
No, no we aren't.
You bought a permanent licence for a copy of the game, it is yours. Not something you're expected to return or destroy under normal conditions. That's how it works.

>>715457572
NTA but they own the Netflix made shows.

>>715446486
I have lolbert fatigue

>>715446263
>>715449546
The most obvious samefag of 2025

>>715457785
Fair. Guess then the next step is that it can be potentially syndicated so it has a much lower chance of becoming lost media.
Probably more so proves how different GaaS and SaaS are when comparing common products.

>>715457478
>No, totally other guy,
Probably shouldn't start with broken English if you're trying to prove you aren't Indian. Also no one knows what those mean other than you do they're completely ineffective.
It's like if I called you a nigger but you had no concept of what that was.

>>715446290
>User-created content is explicitly exempt and doesn't count as features that need to be preserved in an EoL build
That's because user-created content is already preserved via the 2019/770 directive on sale of digital content and services. Once a contract is terminated, the trader or their representative supplier has to give you a hard copy in an accessible digital format of all user-created content you created through the digital content or service.

>>715457484
Yeah, CP2077 introduced it to the general public so it's taken off since then.

>>715457367
Nothing is ever going to be perfect but at least law can be amended

>>715444753
>>715457367
American opinion regarding gobmin intervention is irrelevant

>>715458326
Said the Indian shill

>>715453370
Doesn't this just mean that us companies are paying their shareholders instead of their workers?

>>715459005
No.

>>715446978
>The EULA is effective from the earlier of the date you purchase, download, or use the product.
Illegal in the EU. Contract isn't concluded and cannot be enforced until product is actually received.

>Termination by UBISOFT will be effective [..] (c) at the time of UBISOFT's decision to disconinue offering and/or supporting the product.
Unenforceable in the EU. Blacklisted as unfair as per the 1993/13 directive on unfair contract terms.

>This EULA will terminate automatically if You fail to comply with any of the terms and conditions of this EULA.
Unenforceable in the EU. Also blacklisted as unfair as per the 1993/13 directive.

>You must immediately uninstall the product and destroy all copies of the Product in Your possession.
Illegal in the EU. You cannot be forced to destroy your own possessions. Direct violation of the EU Charter of basic human rights, Article 17.

>UBISOFT reserve the right, in it sole and absolute discretion, to revise, update, change, modify, add to, supplement, or delete certain terms of this EULA for security, legal, best practice or regulatory reasons.
Unenforceable in the EU. Blacklisted as unfair. Would only be deemed not unfair upon explicit statement of reasons and limiting of scope to a priori established boundaries.

>Such changes will be effective [..] without prior notice to You.
Illegal in the EU.

>You can review the most current version of this EULA by clicking on the "EULA" link located on the Product or on ubi.com. You are responsible for checking this EULA periodically for changes.
Illegal in the EU. Actively supplied prior notice and a copy of the new EULA on a durable medium are legally required.

> Your continued use of the Product following any revision to this EULA constitutes Your complete and irrevocable acceptance
Illegal in the EU. Explicit consent is required.


---------

Literally not a single line of this passage of Ubisoft's EULA holds up to scrutiny. A judge would throw ALL OF IT out.

>>715445262
To be fair would you care about the longevity of the industry and ownership if your life expectancy was 35?

>>715459061
Then what are evaluation based on, if not shareholder gain?

>>715446263
heh

nobody here has any real level of understanding of what's actually being proposed and what it would result in. Games as a service isn't subject to any of the SKG proposals, because there's not an ownership grey area so companies in europe are just gonna sell all their multiplayer games as GaaS if it goes through, not that it will ever happen anyway, because it asks impossible things, games today just aren't made to be hosted from consumer hardware and it's just stupid to demand everyone stop making a game that has any kind of modern technical feature, the kind that makes world generation, thousands of players, competitive matchmaking possible. When you buy a game you have the right to modify it anyway and that includes reverse engineering the networking, plenty of community projects do that already.
The guy in charge of the whole thing literally justified the risk of this monkey's pawing everyone in to more GaaS by saying "well back in my day everquest didn't do so well" except in the space year 2025 nearly every gamer buys subscriptions, most of them buy multiple. Consoles treat ownership of physical media as something totally obsolete, which in all fairness it is when a large majority of sales are digital.
This whole thing is shortsighted and spearheaded by people who don't know what the fuck they're talking about, talking about corpo this corpo that when they're basically playing right in to their hands by making GaaS the only viable option to sell a fucking video game!

>>715459404
fuck yeah!

>>715459404
didn't read

>>715446263
Nintendo cares about consumers, the same way a shepherd cares for his flock:
Long enough to fleece them. And then butcher those that didn't provide enough wool, for their meat.

>>715459404
shut the fuck up shill

>>715443573
Retard.

>>715447623
Welcome to the real world beyond the first 7 bits of plain ASCII, Burger-anon.
It's a wild place.

>>715454081
I can't wait for this pro-consumer move to be lumped in with promotion of DEI and LGBT rights and backseating cishet white male protagonists through the other 1200 EU regulations that already exist.

>>715444045
SUPERCELLbros..........Mikubros............

>>715448895
Companies will fuck you over, anon, they twisted services for profit, clients for investors and hoard resources and goods. Companies do not look out for you. They have no end goal but to earn money in the shortest amount of time then die.

im surprised the shills are still going
all you guys do is paste the same stale pastas every thread
they actually pay you tards for this?

>>715459683
All of those buzzwords are american

>>715459170
>Direct violation of the EU Charter of basic human rights, Article 17.
That's destruction of human rights not objects you fucking moron and because it's within their right to revoke a licence if the terms, not EULA, are broken the you can't invoke article 17.
You clearly don't understand how these laws work.

>>715459764
I hope not, considering how shitty a job they're doing.

>>715459515
>corpo corpo shill shill shill
how fucking fried is your brain when i'm actually for game preservation and against GaaS and shitty business practices that you brainless morons are trying to promote?! why do you want more GaaS??? you morons literally run out of answers in the other threads and all you end up saying is "well at least it's more fair"
you literally have 0 fucking idea what you're talking about. this whole thing was at deaths door before some gay streamer drama gave it new life and it shows that only the most retarded tourists jump on the ebin bandwagon to saev le vidja gaemz

>>715459770
EU were the first to make politics out of the marxists in the US, to make americans turn against themselves.

>>715447497
>who the fuck even is this faggot
Used to write for Valve, then left them for another company because he wanted to pursue creating VR games. Basically universally regarded as a washed-up has-been. The village-idiot type, screaming from their soap box in the middle of the market square on early Saturday mornings.

>>715457309
>We're renting
No we're not. Jewbi et al. would like us to BELIEVE that's the case, but their eula doesn't override law. Of course you already know this Rasneed, since you're getting paid one(1) rupee an hour to spread lies about how we're akshually renting despite the storefront saying Buy.

>>715459795
wrong

>>715459910
What EU law states requires body type 1 and 2 in games?

>>715459910
We did that to destroy america, no one here actually believes that shit.

>>715459902
ok shill

eat shit corpo shills
we won

>>715460012
That's the charter of fundamental rights, not human rights you fucking idiot.
Even then
>No one may be deprived of his or her possessions, except in the public interest and in the cases and under the conditions provided for by law, subject to fair compensation being paid in good time for their loss. The use of property may be regulated by law in so far as is necessary for the general interest.
Meaning their right of ownership supersedes yoursm

>>715460154
what am I shilling for? do you even know? or are you just a mentally deficient tourist that thinks you call anyone with an averse opinion a shill to fit in here

>>715460290
Tomajto tomaato
The point is that we have rights

>>715448545
>Streaming games and giving them out as part of a subscription would fall under service.
EU Commission has already put out a guidance document on the interpretation of the consumer rights legislative package which specifically contains a passage on the nature of video games as digital content (aka goods) vs digital services.

The TL;DR of that is: if you download and install it to your local system, and run it from there - then it's digital content. Not a digital service. Period.

That piece of digital content can DEPEND on a digital service though, in which case you get a mixed-form contract. Wherein the digital content part remains protected by all the rights a consumer has for it alikened to a good; and the service part remains protected by all the rights a consumer has for it alikened to a service. Basically: consumer gets all the positives; company gets all the negatives.

With one crucial difference: for the applicability of the right of withdrawal, the entire contract is treated as a service contract. Which means the right of withdrawal CANNOT be waived and you have a legal right to return the product within 14 days regardless of reason. No 'hours played' limitation or other commercial-warranty limitations need apply. 14 days. Period.

>>715460395
>The point is that we have rights
Rights that don't protect you in this case.

>>715460452
I suppose we shall see about that

>>715460168
I don't watch jewlywood. What is this?

>>715460497
The Powerpuff girls movie

>>715446263
>

>>715460423
Post a link to the document and I'll show you exactly where you went wrong.

>>715443042 (OP)
gamers won
piratedude lost
surprised journos aren't on the wrong side again

>>715460642
meatspin.com

>>715446486
Libertarianism should be criminalized and hunted like the KKK.

>>715460389
cope harder shill

>>715443937
>Bamco
>Sega
The rest can go bankrupt for all I care.

>>715455369
>Deleted
Based mods. Kys fucking leftroon falseflagger

>>715444045
That's why he's the GOAT.

>>715446917
THERE'S OVER 30 YEARS OF VIDEO GAMES PROVING THIS WRONG, YOU WORTHLESS RETARDED PIECE OF DOGSHIT

>back above 10k/day
We're so back.

>>715444038
>Gee Nicolae, save some fancy letter accents for the rest of us.
It's because it is a Romanian gypsy.

>>715460423
as this anon said if you own these games as goods then you have rights to modify them and reverse engineer multiplayer services, there's literally no benefit to what SKG is proposing, and putting out nonsense requirements that are impossible to follow due to the nature of complex AAA games hosted on enterprise cloud computing systems only serves to make them offer GaaS more explicitly to avoid these regulations
>>715460642
looks like Directive (EU) 2019/770 on digital content and digital services, as well as the Directive (EU) 2011/83 on consumer rights.

>>715446994
If you don't meet my demands, I won't buy your game. No law can change this.

If a law is made that forces you to meet my demands, I will buy your game.

You have none of my sympathy if you think always-online is critical for your game. You deserve to be executed infact.

>>715452196
The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

... also Euro alphabet people are generally far less fucked-in-the-head than US alphabet people. Keep that in mind. A few LGBT-organisations in Europe have even been very outspoken about how the US lunatics basically fucked up decades of goodwill building.

>>715443042 (OP)
>Literal Who VP trying to justify his existence
Yankoids trying to act like they know how the EU works, lmao.

>>715461018
Yes anon, giving something out of their own volition is totally the same as being forced.

>>715461305
>It makes me mad when politicians do their job, grrrrr

>>715444756
>random twitter profiles are actually multi-billion dollar corporations
Take your meds

>>715461446
No one is forcing you to do anything, if you don't like it, leave the market.

>>715453370
>pic

Big deal. The Dutch East India Company was, if we correct for inflation, worth approximately three times the market cap of every current US corporation combined.

Also - ASML is Dutch and has a market cap of approx. $320B USD.
So - where is that on that chart, hmm?

>>715461447
Politicians should be taken out back and shot.
>>715461224
Are you joking? All the progressive crap in the US stemmed from Europe. Thankfully it’s relatively isolated to a few cities and online spaces for the most part, meanwhile in Europe even if you live in a village of 500 people you can still have that crap forced down your throat one way or another.

>>715461447
>"I know politics"
You're very smart, too bad SKG is a dead cause.
Less superfluous causes failed.

>>715461450
It's has been objectively proven that corpos astroturf websites

>>715461534
No. We're going to push for legislation, because it's an option and we're taking one. The fact that you don't want us to is completely irrelevant, we're doing it anyways. Deal with it.

>>715461626
>>715461645
>grrrrr, I'm so mad at the clouds, grrrr

>>715461781
no

My only concerns is if clauses get added by politicians who know next to nothing of how video game technology works such as one that would force a studio to release versions for future operating systems or consoles. Other than that, mandating visible expiration dates for games "bought" and possibly mandating end of life plans allowing fan-made servers would be fine. Subscription-based games would be exempt according to Ross in an interview with Side Scrollers since the expiration date is basically there.
>>715450746
Governments enact legislation that gives Juden executives special privileges and that create more barriers to entry.

>>715443042 (OP)
What will happen is
>most online vidya will come with a "guaranteed support only for 1 year" sticker or tiny warning when buying online
>people will buy it anyway because they are stupid
>they wont be obligated to share an offline version when they EoS because of the 1st point above
>the bill that will be made will hide some draconic shit annexed as an extra to compensate for this """"win""""
Corpos and big state always win

All commies will hang.

>>715459795
You can protect your intellectual property by terminating my license, if you're willing to refund me for it.
And otherwise: up fucking yours.

> Article 17 - Right to property
> 1. Everyone has the right to own, use, dispose of and bequeath his or her lawfully acquired possessions. No one may be deprived of his or her possessions, except in the public interest and in the cases and under the conditions provided for by law, subject to fair compensation being paid in good time for their loss. The use of property may be regulated by law in so far as is necessary for the general interest.
> 2. Intellectual property shall be protected.
>
> -- https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:12012P/TXT

>>715461953
dong

>>715446108
the same way minecraft worked before microshite acquired it
>make the game run without servers
>people upload mods and worlds to community-managed repositories

>>715457989
>i-i'm not a poo! you're a poo!
That's perfectly fine english. You'd know that if you weren't a poo that has to rely on chatgpt for everything.

>>715460642
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:52021XC1229(04)

Section 1.4 on mixed purpose contracts. And section 1.5 on distinction between digital content and digital services.

You're not going to be proving anyone wrong. Because if you would be capable of doing so, you would have the reference to the document already and would know what I was talking about. You're likely going to try to construct a strawman instead. Feel free to do so. As I and others will feel free to ignore you. I am not posting this reference for you. I am posting it for all the other anons.

>>715461891
>mandating visible expiration dates for games "bought"
What would even change? Companies today make no guarantee of service so what would change? If you're asking them to instead sell them as a service in that case then you're literally making things worse for us because now we have to buy shitty GaaS instead of actually owning the game, not that it matters, because in both cases in the EU you're free to modify your own game to your heart's content, so the only thing SKG really does is force companies to work for free making some shitty *community project* which is flat out impossible to do for modern AAA games that are too powerful for consumer hardware.

>>715462479
how is any of that my problem?

>>715462073
you're not deprived of your possessions if you agree to give them away numbskull

>>715446263
gr8 b8 m8

>>715461070
The weekends are always slow in the EU. People tend to spend their saturday shopping and in case of singles or dual-income couples: cleaning the house, while their sunday is reserved for family and friends.

>>715447715
In the case of Hitman, I would actually buy an offline version. I would spend an unreasonable amount of money as well.

Developers don't understand how much money people are willing to give them if they stop chasing the always-online scam.
If they did understand then this shit would disappear overnight.

>>715443867
take that Ubicock real good boy!

> ahhhh you closed my favorite restaurant so now you legally owe me all your recipes
This is what underage retards ITT literally believe.

>>715462560
because you want to make my games worse and more expensive, you're encouraging shitty business practices like GaaS with poorly written legislation made by people who lack understanding of the legal or financial issues they're trying to tackle. SKG are trying to fix a solved issue, you have ownership if your games, even ones provided as a service if you're downloading and running shit on your hardware, so there's literally no point to these legislations, and all they serve to do is make games harder to develop, resulting in more expense for the people making them, which gets offloaded to consumers because money doesn't grow on trees.

>>715462864
>food analogy

>>715462864
No, you fucking idiot. "I bought a product and you don't get to remotely disable my property". That's it. That's the initiative. Any dumb analogy you make is you overcomplicating it on purpose to make it sound like something else than what it is.

>>715462871
>you want
I don't, didn't read the rest

>>715443042 (OP)
They won't need to think of any cope because we still need 50K signatures because fucking retards won't sign this shit.

>>715461891
>such as one that would force a studio to release versions for future operating systems or consoles.
Current law already forces them to update existing titles with compatibility for new OS versions, where the title remains in active supply.
(I.e. where it's stuck in a library like Steam for installation on demand.)

The EU considers the hardware and software requirements listed as essential preconctractual information.
That means if you list under MINIMAL requirements an entry for Windows 11, the consumer may legally assume it is also intended to work on a future hypothetical Windows 12 or 13 - and the publisher will ensure the title will be patched for that as needed.

No this is not a joke. This is actually how it works.
If publishers want out of that, they have to list explicitly that they ONLY support up to Windows 11 and will not support further.

>>715462864
This would be a net positive to the world

>>715459902
If the worst thing that can happen is an acceleration towards where we were headed anyway, good. I hope they flood the market with fifty billions GaaS and the intrinsically time consuming nature causes severe oversaturation and endless flops.

>>715459764
most of them are local schizos and contrarian (You) whores (cancer killing 4chan)

>>715463063
No, we don't need them. 1.4M is out of an overabundance of caution, it's not needed. We're fine as we are now. And we have half a month left anyways, we probably will get 1.4M.

>>715462569
I didn't, because the term of contract attempting to get me to do that is on the blacklist of directive 1993/13, which means it is in all cases required to be treated as an unfair term and thus does not bind me.

So what remains is my basic rights - meaning, if you want to take away my possession you can compensate me for it in full.

>>715463063
We’re getting 10k a day, relax your sphincter.

>>715463240
Shut up corpo shill, we need them.

>>715462864
I think people are rightfully shitting on the movement because the only games it'll actually preserve are Clash of Clans, Azur Lane, and Fallout Shelter.
The SKG cultists have unironically made me a hater with their illogic and bad faith arguments. Fuck them.

>>715443937
>sega
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/OWZy_VEtOrw

>>715463050
A service is not a product lol

>>715463464
It’s legally defined as a product in the EU.

>>715463387
It will preserve every game, those games are a subsection of every game so they'll also get preserved.

>>715462479
>>mandating visible expiration dates for games "bought"
>What would even change?
They wouldn't be able to obfuscate their business practice by "selling" you an transient service as a piece of sudo-property. They'd have to be clear on WHEN they'd be pulling the plug on it

>>715463332
I will not relax until the counter says 1.4M

>>715463464
Are there not more fulfilling jobs in India? Please rethink your life.

>>715463612
Then you have roughly a week before relaxation.

>>715463464
A service is not a good. But both goods and services can be products.

>>715463509
I believe some form of validation is in order

>>715461087
>looks like Directive (EU) 2019/770 on digital content and digital services
In that case there's nothing saying that a download is automatically considered a good regardless of being attached to a service, in fact it basically says that's all determined by the contract you agree with ie if you buy PlayStation plus and then download a game your at the behest of the contract you agreed to making that download a part of a service and not a good.

>>715463915
I never signed a contract

>>715463915
The EULA is not a legally binding contract and cannot contravene EU law.

>>715463980
A purchase is considered a contract.

>>715463586
>This is what Reddit and KarenFarms unironically believe.

>>715461087
>reverse engineer multiplayer services
I'd agree with you but until quantum computing is good enough that we can smash 256-bit encryption keys at the consumer level that's not a viable option.

>>715464068
>EU law is an EULA

>>715464104
lol teaching basic law to those shill zoomers is worthless anon
they only hear what they want to hear

>>715464104
Yeah? Show me where in the law it says that

>>715464068
You people really are bots aren't you.

>>715464203
case in point
>>715464225
lmao

>>715464241
No, I’m just not as motivated as you since I’m not paid to be here.

>>715464135
I'm also fine with it destroying games you like, be a man and go to the gym instead.

>>715464225
>>715464285
It's a massive document anon, if you can't be patient and wait for someone to post do it yourself
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/dir/2019/770/oj/eng

>>715464304
And yet you're probably here every single day shilling skg making one rupee every three hours

>>715464509
What possible incentive would there be for PAYING shills for this? Go on, give me a reason.

>>715443042 (OP)
No idea, but it'll be btfo soon after.

>>715464440
This just confirms everything I've been saying

>>715464509
>he thinks skg received funding
fucking babel media pajeets can't make a single cogent argument

>>715464335
All the games I like will not be protected by SKG, as it's a redundant cause that's going to do nothing.
And I already go to the gym anyways. I don't need the EU to tell me to exercise either.

>>715464557
I wonder who would be funding an initiative that would result in more spending.

>>715464705
Do you also touch penises with other guys in the shower?

>>715443937
Why is valve missing from this list?

>>715464571
Doesn't look like it

>>715463360
Bruh I'm literally telling all my friends to sign, I'm just telling people not to panic.

>>715464915
Almost all gym showers are fitted with single occupant stalls. I don't know what gym you go to, homo.
Are you going to start a Stop Killing Gay-Shower-Sex initiative too?

>>715464823
So the EU is paying shills to support a consumer initiative they could just push through? Or are the games companies secretly behind it all and increasing regulation burden on themselves because they need the thrill?

>>715465121
I ain't no fucking homo, kissing the tip is just common courtesy.

>>715465263
>Least homosexual SKG supporter

>>715460290
>Meaning their right of ownership supersedes yoursm
Funny how you glossed over the part about compensation. Surely that was an honest mistake and not intentional because it would void your argument.

>>715463915
>In that case there's nothing saying that a download is automatically considered a good regardless of being attached to a service
That followed from Usedsoft vs Oracle, and predates the EU formally designating digital content as kind of a third pillar next to goods, and digital/physical services.
Nowadays, the discrepancy between digital content and digital service is laid out mostly in section 1.5 on distinction between digital content and digital services of https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:52021XC1229(04)

The intent is for digital services to be something that is actually wholy handled on a server environment, and you are only accessing it via a thin client.
Whereas digital content is material you download and install locally.

>>715461224
>generally
That's a big "generally". A year or two ago the parade fuckers in my country thought they were entitled to official statements on Ukraine (or some other hot topic political issue) from their sponsors, resulting in half of their main sponsors telling them to go fuck themselves and cancelling their sponsorship.

>>715465121
>single-shower stalls
that's basically asking to get raped
all stalls at bathrooms have a space below to show how many people have entered

>>715448062
I agree that is retarded logic but you must also acknowledge that government often must regulate because of problems the government has caused. Dunno if you can apply that to the gayming swamp but you probably can in some way

>>715443573
>nuclear family bad
yes, traditional families are much more stable and kids don't suffer if one parent isn't present.

>>715444347
That furry mmo

>>715466185
traditional families burden you with taking care of your parents, uncles, and grandparents until they kick the bucket. do you really want that?

>>715465843
>The intent is for digital services to be something that is actually wholy handled on a server environment, and you are only accessing it via a thin client.
>Whereas digital content is material you download and install locally.
That's not what it says

>(1) ‘digital content’ means data which are produced and supplied in digital form;

>(2)'digital service’ means:
>(a) a service that allows the consumer to create, process, store or access data in digital form; or
>(b) a service that allows the sharing of or any other interaction with data in digital form uploaded or created by the consumer or other users of that service;

>>715466383
What's the alternative? Play games?

>>715451945
>Road to hell is paved with good intentions
We are already in hell
We pay taxes to Jewish child rapists.

>>715461891
It's already as bad as you say things could get, there is literally nothing to lose. Especially in America with ProCD v. Zeidenberg and honestly Dodge v. Ford, which I'm not sure why people don't talk about more. On a lighter note, you probably don't need to worry too much about the people deliberating this not knowing much about games since the people behind the initiative are in the talks too, especially considering all the people in parliament that have been in support of this throughout the year.

>>715464928
valve has come out and said that if steam were to ever need to shut down they would release a patch removing any DRM for their games still giving you full access to your purchases
their games already allow for third party server hosting. for games hosted on steam that require servers to play on like FFXIV it comes down to square enix

valve is unironically one of the most pro consumer major companies on the planet

>>715466383
They took care of you as a child, you can return the favor so that they don't rot in a nursing home.

>>715452379
Regulation of sale and regulation of production are two different beasts. It would be one thing if the EU said only game companies operating in the EU had to comply. That would create an additional burden that the European games industry would need to overcome, leading to more investments in similar markets elsewhere. A consumer protection law like the one proposed effects products from all markets equally, leaving viability of game production unchanged. The only way I see it impeding the market is if game companies decide to completely pull out of the EU, which would hurt jobs related to distribution and marketing, but losing access to a market of that size would very likely offset any costs associated with creating and implementing a compliant EoS plan

>>715453685
Absolutely. I mean just look at it. Also the ring for further proof.

>>715446291
the cold of the oil cooks the dog

>>715448739
>Am i the only one that wants us to not have any rights?
You are not the only one, there's many retards and corpo shills

>>715459910
Not only it was EU, but the millennial EU.

>>715449598
So does valve retard

>>715444347
I think No Man's Sky is effectively an indie game despite getting massive funding in its development, but it's perfectly playable offline

>>715446291
I thought this was a dick I panicked

>>715446994
>free labor you pay for

>>715466238
It's not live service, you can play solo no?

>>715466238
you don't know what liveservice is
It's not even an MMO.
People just host their own serverrs

>>715468568
coping already.

>>715446263
gr8 b8

>>715468808
Whatever you do, don't look inside your pants

>>715448739
Thank god I was raised right. I can't imagine being such an insufferable faggot like (you) and not furthering causes that could help make games better all because of a small inconvenience that could literally be solved with a filter

>>715458418
Not the guy you responded to, but why would people who live as live as Israeli slaves and elect pedophiles into office matter
We all know y'all gonna get fucked needlessly no matter what happens
We're sorry that's the case, but apparently, thems the rules

I don't understand how copyright and ownership of an idea supersedes the product. That argument has NEVER made sense to me.

>>715446518
Literally who

>>715449459
Maybe. That doesn't mean they are this noble company thatt can do no wrong. The Valve cocksucking posts in this thread are pretty fucking gay. Valve isn't your friend and they don't give a single fuck about you.

>>715470541
And no one cares about valve, we just like the things they don't do.

>>715443042 (OP)
They'll just find a way to circumvent any EU law and screw you over again
That's what you deserve for buying live service slop anyway so it's not my problem

>>715470686
>never do anything, the corporations are too clever and powerful to ever be resisted

>>715470686
Companies have done a fantastic job demoralizing the populous

>>715470813
Funny how that's the best they can come up with isn't it? When this first started, they could at least articulate reasons against it. Completely stupid reasons, but reasons anyway. Now all they have is "nothing will change!!!"

>>715443573
>homosexuality good, mass immigration good.
The EU agrees

>>715471052
ok ruski

>>715446486
The only reason your underage ass isn't spending 14 hour shifts in a factory and dying at 30 is because of the government. Read a fucking book you stupid nigger

>>715467035
you know the problem is that some people can't afford to both raise a family and take care of their relatives, especially when they live across the fucking country and the fact that your wife has to take care of your in-laws too further complicates things

>>715471195
Well, that and the politicians realized companies hiring muscle to put down worker revolts was going to get very ugly if things didn't change fast.

>>715471052
Shalom, fellow white male. It's definitely the EU doing it.

>>715470813
>pointless struggling is good because WE ARE THE RESISTANCE WE ARE FIGHTERS WE ARE HEROES
Yeah, yeah, sure, you go mister revolutionary.
Remember how the EU destroyed lootboxes but then were replaced with a way more predatory model of season passes? What a victory. And there are games that still have lootboxes. Wow!
You're backing a movement that's actually willing to fold if the EU decides that online only games are services, which is worse for consumers, you don't even understand what your leaders want.

>>715471738
The eu didn't destroy lootboxes

>>715446263
From the Big 3, I would unironically say that Nintendo is the more pro-consumer of the bunch, factually and verifiably.. But that doesn't say much.

>>715471738
Under no reality are season passes more predatory that lootboxes, nigger. There is no way to spin a guaranteed drop as worse than a SSR 5-star cuntring needed for the meta.

>>715453370
>Tesla: Other
based, tired of these people pretending they're a tech company and not just another car company.

>Here he goes on about russians again
Man i really should set a timer waiting for our mention each time there's a thread.
>>715470686
Funny, because i recall EU having a law against that too, so expect your overlords to get double raped for that.

>>715471863
Gachas were not affected by the lootbox ban.

>>715471738
>season passes
that shit is older than lootboxes
>inb4 b-but gacha
lootboxes appeared in western games much later with shit like dream fifa's (((dream team))) bullshit and tf2 hats

>>715459404
All games should be built with player hosted servers available. Nothing should be corpo end, and anything on the corpo end should be banned as illegal privacy violating spyware.

>>715472063
A .001 droprate is a .001 droprate.

>>715471919
Don't go crying when full price games start using the energy system f2p games use to limit play or online becomes subscription based in response.

>>715472424
Oh no... Games I don't buy will become worse.

Lol, who cares faggot?

>>715472424
>We are going to make several 80+$ flops instead of just allowing people to host their servers

>>715451945
>the road to hell is paved with good intentions
Anon, we are already in hell, any road we build from here can't make it worse, that's the whole point

>>715472424
Even subscription based services should be granted protection because many of them have in-game purchases.

>>715472758
That goes outside the scope of SKG.

>>715473017
More or less, yes. But it isn't less important.

>>715460290
>Meaning their right of ownership supersedes yours
I've bought the copy, it is mine

>NOOOOOO! YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO USE THE GOUVERNMENT FOR BENEFITS!
>ONLY THE CORPORATIONS ARE ALLOWED TO DO THAT!
What the fuck is their problem?

>>715473836
An American is trying to force the EU to add a frivolous regulation that's going to be used as pretext to shake down the European citizen for even more taxes.

>>715474030
Good. We've funded you guys for years, time to start paying us back.

>>715474030
>frivolous regulation that's going to be used as pretext to shake down the European citizen for even more taxes.
Lel your copes get wilder and wilder each time

>>715474563
>Y-you're just coping!!

>>715444074
>american flag
of course

>>715474930
Yes.