>They're so mindbroken over TotK not even fitting with BotW that they're examining "Temporal Time Loops with Multiple Zeldas being Born out of a paradox"

It's simple. Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom are on their own timeline separate from the three timelines of classic Zelda. Now you have a brand new timeline for open air Zelda.

>>715494291 (OP)
zelda never had a timeline and never will

>>715494481
It would be simple, but the issue is Calamity Ganon and TotK Ganondorf. They don't actually relate to each other.
In BotW you're told that the Shiekah and a princess and a hero fought "Calamity Ganon" 10.000 years ago, and successfully developed the Shiekah Technology to stop him and then buried it under the ground. Then 10.000 years later, Zelda and Link try that but they fail and then 100 years after that, Link wakes up and you play BotW. He beats Calamity Ganon.

Now, years AFTER that, Link and Zelda go under Hyrule Castle and find Ganondorf's corpse held by the glowing arm. Zelda falls and finds herself thrown back to 10.000 years ago to the founding of Hyrule.

They're fighting Ganondorf. Not Calamity Ganon. They prepare but fail yet again, but Zelda's trump-card is to swallow a secret stone to become an eternal dragon, to outlive the gap between here, and Link in the far future.

So now BotW which is supposed to happen in between these two points would have Zelda be a dragon from the past... but she's not. So how is Zelda in BotW, and how is she also fighting "Calamity Ganon" as herself, while trying to fight Ganondorf as a Dragon and waiting for Link who is doing the same?

It's very retarded.

>>715494291 (OP)
>>715494481
If I recall from early interviews, BotW and by extentionToK exist in a state of being so far in the future that regardless of what timeline your going off of that every historical point of concern has been dealt with in the distant past.
So all the lore they added in ToK about the past is just about a Hyrule so far in the future that none of the other games matter and BotW is even further beyond that.
So the endgame of the Hylians is to become Mystic Goat People which after even more time through Fate and Circumstance kept changing till it looked like Traditional Zelda again

>>715494291 (OP)
It's simple. Aonuma doesn't give a fuck and Nintendo knows people will buy and praise it no matter what.

zelda discussions will never be free of brainlets.
>shiekah tech magically appears
>nothing
>shiekah tech magically disappears
>seethe
>the symbol for the fucking game is an ouroboros
>actually get angry because time in it is cyclical

>>715494481
retarded, its what they call a "dragon break" in elderscrolls, In gundam a "turn A", or sometimes simply a "timeline merge", when the individual cycles of each timeine occur at once and synthesize to create a merged world.
botw and totk are tens or hundreds of thousands or millions of years after the original timelines, this is obvious for a number of reasons, and its done for a number of reasons, but most probably to stop faggots on the internet from screeching about how the "canon is now destroyed" because they put a fucking likelike in the same timeline as a chu chu or some other absolutely retarded shit that doesnt actually matter.

>>715494291 (OP)
Can someone explain this schizo headcanon to me? Are they trying to make sense of plot holes that seemingly arise from lazy writing but unwilling to accept that its plot holes??

>>715495190
>Zelda falls and finds herself thrown back to 10.000 years ago to the founding of Hyrule.
imagine crafting this whole theory on something that was literally never said
This is why you niggers raged over the zonai to begin with, because one faggot misread an item description, made a wild guess about it, and everyone took it as canon so they could seethe about it when totk came out.

>>715495190
How do we know zelda wasnt also a dragon during botw just a seperate instance of her. In fact your logic seems legitimately lacking any actual critical thinking

>>715495190
Personal timeline /= overall timeline
For Zelda the events of BotW happened then she went back in time and did the dragon thing then while she was a dragon her past self is born and events happen to send her back in time, then dragon Zelda becomes important again.

I just want TotK's retarded time travel story to end.

>>715495370
Yeah. I kind of hoped Fujibayashi's intention was to make it so TotK, SS and BotW create an eternal timeloop so that the futuristic founding of hyrule was actually the timefuck event that causes past Zelda, and then there's missing Zelda Games between the ends of the timelines that explain why all the Wind Waker species co-exist with the classic-Zelda species, and options for Nintendo to make a bunch of prequels that show how the timeline starts to converge.

I know that the official explanation is that they simply didn't wanna make a call on it, and just moved it far away so they can reconnect some of it later. IIRC Aonuma said that due to feedback on the Timeline he decided to give more attention to the Timeline placement in Echoes of Wisdom. I still haven't finished that game so I dunno how it connects. But I do like the idea in the end that BotW-canon doesn't fuck with previous games, and that the Founding of Hyrule in TotK is just the founding of BotW's Hyrule, which is potentially land built over the Great Sea and then many more years in the future.

But it just sucks finding Mekar Island in BotW, or Lon Lon Ranch or the Temple of Time, or Saria Lake and then be told "It's actually not connected in any way, just an easter egg." It robs BotW of being its own interesting canon at that point while also pissing off anyone looking for genuine connections. It just becomes a "Zelda: Greatest Hits" version of Hyrule and it's just as bland as listening to a dedicated music record vs their Greatest Hits album.

>>715494291 (OP)
Shouldn't have been retarded with the time travel plot.
Should have let OoT be a self contained game with only one sequel but you had to force everyone to like your Zelda and disavow the old Zelda

>>715495632
There is no plothole, and OP's image is stupid. You dont see the light dragon until after zelda falls.
Theres no even a plothole for her return to form, its literally explained by sonia in the game, and hinted at by rauru in the original game, and zelda's notes in the switch 2 version.

Consider this: there are two timelines in Skyward Sword.

In the first timeline Demise is defeated by Hylia and sealed underground with the Sealing Spike as the Imprisoned. A millennia later Link obtains the Triforce and wishes for Demise's permanent death, which the Triforce fulfills. Ghirahim, Link, Zelda, and Groose proceed into the past, creating the second timeline.

In the second timeline the Imprisoned is summoned from its seal by Ghirahim and consumes Zelda's soul, returning his lost power and taking form again as Demise. Link then kills Demise, freeing Zelda's soul. Thus, Demise can't become the Imprisoned to facilitate Link's journey to forge the Master Sword. Link and Zelda return to their timeline to live out the rest of their lives.

In the first timeline, Demise reincarnates as Ganondorf, leading to Ocarina of Time and its splits.

In the second timeline, with no ancient evil to force Hylia to reincarnate, she takes her heavenly perch once more and the Triforce's power dissipates, incarnated into the Hylians once more. A new, earth-borne evil emerges; Vaati, leading to Minish Cap, Four Swords, and with Demise finally reincarnating as Ganondorf in this timeline, Four Swords Adventures.

Zelda is a thot k?

>>715495953
Those locations could be named after past areas and people based on the old world. Which are then passed on through legends.

>>715494291 (OP)
did they update botw to add a light dragon way up in the sky only visible under rare circumstances?

>>715495632
I didn't fully understand their argument but their premise is that TotK caused a "temporal time-loop" like the one you see in OoT with the Song of Storms and the music-box guy. It's never explained if he knew the song and taught it to Link or it was Link who originally taught him the song by introducing it in the past.

The theme of Tears of the Kingdom is actually the "ouroboros", it's in the logo, a serpent eating its tail, and refers to Zelda's Dragonification where she uses her dragon transformation to live for 10.000 years and cause the event in Link's future that allows him to defeat Ganondorf, which is kind of a paradox since both her and Link found Ganondorf in the future, but then she "fell" into the past, and now that causes her to send herself to the future and beat him.

And that causes a problem with BotW which is supposed to happen between those two events, and TotK never really mentions how Calamity Ganon was connected to TotK's Dorf-ganon, so the schizo is trying to say that there were multiple Zeldas born out of the time-paradox that happens in TotK. And that would explain that Zelda in BotW is actually a different person, and also how she didn't age for 100 years while holding Calamity Ganon in his coccoon between BotW's backstory and present.

>>715496168
why would they?

>>715496168
That would make no sense, the light dragon never goes under the cloud barrier before she breaks it, and even after that she only starts flying lower after the tears quest

>>715494291 (OP)
Almost all arguments schizos used to cope about TOTK somehow not being the very obvious sequel to BOTW that it is were killed by the voice memos

I just want a reawakening of Hyrule where magic is rediscovered. Everyone in the guilds under the church of Hylia and the royal family are permitted to use magic items. Dunno if this Hyrule would be before Breath of the Wild or after Tears of the Kingdom.

>>715496159
I agree, and that's my favorite read of it. But some of it seems like it's more than just fables. Mekar Island has something otherworldly happening and suggests that the dead tree is Makar's corpse. When you crawl atop it there's an isolated gust of wind, referring to him being the Sage of Wind. In Zelda Notes they've added a comment from Zelda about it, which seems to confirm that the tree could contain the spirit of an old sage.

The island is also symbolic in that it's housed right beside the Great Hyrule Forest, because it references how Makar didn't quite belong to Korok Woods in Wind Waker, and ultimately dies alone as a sage.

My headcanon is that many years after Wind Waker when the Great Sea had already become land thanks to the Korok forests (Wind Waker mentions this actually) there's another Ganon-return, where Makar dies like the Wind Sage you meet in Wind Waker died to Molgera, and all the skeletons on Mekar Island are those, or at least indicative of those, who killed him.

>>715496369
It also feels like all those people entirely missed the fact that Impa lets you see the Calamity Mural up in Paya's room after doing all the Memories, where she explains some hints about how the events of the Calamity are related to what was under Hyrule Castle.

What sequel-deniers don't comprehend is that Nintendo decided to write TotK "for newcomers", so things do connect, but the dialogue is purposefully pretending it's a "first story" and you just have to fill in the gaps yourself, and pretend when they say "Oh your name is Link?" that they're saying "Hi Link, how is it going?"

>>715495190
Nigger are you retarded?

>>715496168
They don't but at least Zelda-dragon creates the implication with TotK that all the dragons seen in BotW and Skyward Sword are really just people that draconified thousands of years ago, and that's how "Goddesses" ended up becoming myth. We also have the Dragon of "Naydra, Din and Farosh" in BotW and TotK, so they could really be the real Nayru, Din and Farore who draconified at some point and live through the rest of the timeline as dragons.

>>715496625
>you just have to correct the dialogue mentally, it's a feature!
You are not human. This thread is inorganic.

>>715496745
You have to justify it.

I never want them to do another memory/flashback-based story again. I would like the events of the game to take place during the game, please.

>>715496625
>purposely pretending
lol, lmao even

>>715496730
>>715495903
>>715495902
>>715495709
Guys go easy on him. Yes hes wrong and a bit retarded, but we want people to learn here, not retreat to their biases.

>>715496869
All side quests are optional, you just have to accept that in canon link did almost none of them

>>715496625
I hated the TotK is for newcomers decision. Does Nintendo just have zero faith in their fanbase to create a sequel?

>>715496742
I think those dragons were Zonai if they have third eye.

>>715496625
>that Nintendo decided to write TotK "for newcomers", so things do connect, but the dialogue is purposefully pretending it's a "first story" and you just have to fill in the gaps yourself, and pretend when they say "Oh your name is Link?" that they're saying "Hi Link, how is it going
That doesnt address their argument though.
You know what does?
Pointing out that its been at least 6 years and possibly longer (proof: mattison's independence) and literally every single notable NPC recognizes link, including several people that I promise no bitching faggot remembered themselves, like hoz, torren, and flaxel, who are all now squad leaders for the monster control forces.

one youtuber actually did the math on it and literally every single recurring npc that has a reason to know link does, and even some that you wouldnt expect from the events of botw, but that you would expect because he was zelda's guard (like the monster control commanders)

>>715496929
>Nintendo think their fans are so retarded now that they don't understand what a sequel is so they won't even do the bare minimum
kek

>>715494707
spbp

>>715496919
Well if he does decide to retreat to his bias, at least he knows he's a fucking retard for doing so now

>>715496814
>side quest that makes up for less than 10% of the content
>"why did they make the whole story about memories!?"
I cant put wrinkles in that brain for you, anon.

>>715494707
Wrong.

>>715496929
No, that isn't how to think of it. Link did ALL the side-quests, and the NPCs do remember them. But when they say "Hey, who are you, can you help me for the first time?" that's just Nintendo putting a "first-timer" filter over their writing guidelines, so what you have to imagine they're really saying as a returning player, is "Oh hi Link, I remember you from BotW. Can you help me again?"

I've been damaged by Mass Effect 3, which was supposed to be the Lord of the Rings: Return of the King of the reknowned "Mass Effect TRILOGY" but what did they do? They spent their whole marketing saying "If you play ME3 without being a fan, it's the perfect place to start!" and playing it, with my save-game import and my custom Shepard (protagonist) and the game remembering my choices and relationships from the first 2 games, characters consistently meet you by talking as though you haven't been told things before.

That's because the marketing team said "Make it seem like it's the first game in the story!" so you have to constantly translate what you hear in your head to be like "We both remember that, that's why we need to do such and such" but it's just written to say "You haven't learned about it yet, let me tell you all about the deepest lore as if it's new to you."

It's a bit annoying but that's what happened with TotK.

>>715497137
Only niggers can be retarded and I'm not one of those.

yfw you find out about the mario timeline

>>715496041
But where does "Calamity Ganon" fit into all this? I've seen some debates that "Malice" and "Gloom" are two different "evils", so TotK-dorf isn't actually the same source of evilness as Calamity Ganon.

Calamity Ganon is similar to Vaati or Bellum (which obviously is just likely that it's the same artist working on those creatures) but there's the eyes theme, while Gloom-dorf seems like it's some sort of offshoot of a similar thing.

I could imagine there being some secret insider-timeline at Fujibayashi's desk that Gloom-dorf is an offspring to Demise Timeline A while Calamity Ganon is an offspring of Timeline B.

There's also the issue of the Triforce. Zelda has a complete triforce on her hand in BotW, and we don't see Link or Ganon have one, so it does appear that Zelda really has it, and it isn't just some "reference". I took it in Ocarina of Time when Ganondorf splits up the Triforce with his evil wish, that it's permanent across all time, like a constant that transcends the force of time. So either the Triforce is whole, or it's split up, and in BotW it's whole, and has been for a long time, and has yet to split up.

It could actually be because King Daphnes in Wind Waker touched it and made a new wish from it. And then that completes the Triforce again, and once a new Zelda reincarnate comes to life, she gets the full Triforce this time, with Link and Ganon going back to being more independent forces in the trifecta.

>>715494707
ah there's always that one retard in these threads. multiple Zelda are direct seuwels to one another, Miyamoto himself mentioned a timeline multiple times and we also got books about it
>b-b-but each game is a retelling of the same legend!
nothing but headcanon, or you mean to tell me you got proof, nigger?

>>715500491
>multiple Zelda are direct seuwels to one another
That doesn't mean every Zelda is.
Majora is sequel to OoT. Majora is ??? to Minish Cap/etc.