Name a flaw

>>715494696 (OP)
The entirety of Palace 4.
The only good villains in the game were Kamoshida and Shido.

>>715494696 (OP)
You can't romance Shiho or Sae.

>>715494810
I'd argue that the rest weren't bad, they just weren't person like those two. I do like how they each grew greater in scope each time.

the story is pretty bad

>>715494696 (OP)
Everything after Palace 2 gets boring quick.
Even the Igor twist felt cheap.

Lots of unused scenes in the cutting room floor that would've been great

When Joker first summons his Persona, Arsene makes this speech about "Committing any sort of sacrilege, though it lead you to the gates of Hell itself", and then he's a total goody goody through the whole game.
Worst thing they do is invade Sae's privacy a bit to copy some files from her laptop.

>>715494696 (OP)
youtubers putting the soundtrack songs into their videos

>Name a flaw

>>715495276
>Even the Igor twist felt cheap.
Thats because the twist was suppose to be towards the japanese players since his seiyu died.
Atlus used that twist as a way to use Igor throughout the game but at the same time not replace the dead va since they were hell bent on not getting a new va for him.
Glad they finally pivoted away from that and got Igor a new seiyu for Reload

>>715495102
Why would I want to stick my dick in Kamoshida's sloppy seconds?

>>715494696 (OP)
Makoto's ass not quite big enough.

>>715494696 (OP)
I'm still a fat incel loser getting cucked by jocker dating bitches and having fun and living life instead of doing it myself
aside from that great game would recommend

>>715494696 (OP)
I literally can't.

>>715495930

>>715494696 (OP)
Its Persona.

>>715494696 (OP)
>Name a flaw
Combat

>>715494696 (OP)
The constant hand holding every other scene

I am not eating out Futaba

>>715495930
>buy game to ogle Ann and Makoto in their skintight catsuits
>they're stick thin with flat asses
/v/ fanart lied to me

>>715494696 (OP)
Persona combat is boring.
>Find weakness
>Don't run out of Magic points
Wow so deep

The writing

>>715494696 (OP)
the girlies have flat jap butts
morgana isnt a girl
characters have little moments other than their social links after you do their dungeon.

>>715498630
She's your sister

>>715495338

You didn't understand the quote.

>>715495930

She's the best girl and I don't see how anyone could say otherwise.

>>715496260

That's why you have the game. Many of us didn't get to have a fun childhood or traditional high school experiences, but we at least have Persona.

>>715494696 (OP)
Midkoto the Useless

>>715494810
>The only good villains in the game were Kamoshida and Shido.
This.

>>715494696 (OP)
You can't romance cute boys

>>715494810
>The entirety of Palace 4.
Fuck you, Futaba's Pyramid is the best palace and you are a faggot.

>>715494696 (OP)
Social links exist in alternate universe separated form the main story
No matter if you romance someone or not those characters would still react the same in the main story

>>715502597
It'd be hard to have it be part of the main story when you can be dating all the girls on your team

I honestly wish the game had sex scenes with the adult confidants.

>>715502494
It's mid-game and also dead zone for actual game mechanics though. Last party member was at the beginning of the 3rd palace and overall feels like a slog to get through.

>>715494696 (OP)
Ryuji should've been as important as Yosuke was to the Investigation Team but he got sidelined as Ann's buddy. He's the only true rebel and acts the part the best as a Phantom Thief and the more his relevance gets diminished the worse the story gets. I don't want no fucking pretty princess or class president in my goddamn Phantom Troupe.

>Action RPG/Hack and slash gameplay that’s genuinely fun
>Decently interesting story
>Great soundtrack
>Includes an adult Phantom Thief, and a cool/interesting one at that
>You can actually, physically play as the other PT
>Sophia’s design and mannerisms are literally BEGGING for her to be lewded
>Fixes Haru
>Yet another Lavenza love confession
How the hell does this game have little to no staying power, barely acknowledged by both fans and Atlus? Is it just past its peak of popularity?

>>715494696 (OP)
You can't romance morgana

>>715494696 (OP)
the game forces your MC into liking Akechi enough for him to be alive in the "idealized world" despite knowing he's a filthy murderer who could've killed a parent of two potential girlfriends

>>715502809
>Last party member was at the beginning of the 3rd palace and overall feels like a slog to get through.
1: The pyramid is shorter than the bank palace
2: Fuck the bank palace's vault section, which itself is as big as Futaba's pyramid, yet is just one half of the palace.

>>715502745
Not that anon, but I wish they've figured this out by now even if it's obviously a huge hurdle. P5 was better in making the confidants feel more important the before but not having your love interest intersect with the main story always breaks the immersion. Maybe instead of casting a bigger net with confidants/social links, they could keep the option of romance within the team and give the girls focused storylines in the main story depending on your choice. I dunno, just something.

>>715502873
self inserter-kun…

>>715502840
Because it feels cheap to have a sequel for P5 that bounces around the same plot points and themes.

>>715502898
>focused storylines in the main story depending on your choice.
Separate routes for different girls would be neat

>>715494696 (OP)
~3 love interests too many

the only palaces that had good music was the bank and the boat

>>715494696 (OP)
Is that Persona 5 or one of those spin offs like striker? If its P5 then a flaw is its a 10y old game that has denuvo. Thats why I recently refunded it after finding that out kek

>>715502898
it's the problem of team member social links in general, all their development is done in a vacuum because atlus can't be assed to write multiple variants of a scene where a character can reference growth that occured in a social link, but because development typically happens only within a social link once they're recruited into the team they aren't allowed be to dynamic characters in the main plot. they really should just have the main team be a plot advanced social link, with the rest of the links being characters outside of the main plot so the story can be written in a way where characters are actually allowed to have arcs and growth. it's a big reason why P3 is so beloved because Junpei, Akihiko, Shinji and Ken are all written around the notion that the main plot is all they get for character arcs.

>>715502840
Because it was overshadowed by Royal on the PS4 and Xbone release. People didn't want to buy two games at the same time even though Strikers was a plot sequel to P5

>>715503178
Royal basically cannibalized its legacy. Strikers dropped at the worst possible time - too late to ride the original P5 hype train, and too early to coexist with Royal's definitive version. Add the weird marketing (is it canon? is it not?) and Koei's musou gameplay filter, and half the fanbase just wrote it off. Shame too, because it's probably the only spin-off that actually respects the original cast and gives them meaningful screen time.

Maddeningly repetitive conversations. Even as late as the last palace, the group is having lengthy conversations about whether or not stealing someone's heart will work, despite having done it multiple times and seen it work by now. Then after the conversations end, you get text messages where they re-litigate the discussion again each day until the change of heart happens.

>>715503083
Yep, like the main throughline can be the same in whatever bad guys you're fighting against, but it would be cool to have wholly different interactions/dynamics within the group depending on who you choose as a partner, and of course some dedicated cutscenes for the big moments would be nice just to highlight your choice of love interest.

>>715494696 (OP)
Social Links being renamed to Confidants, which is gay shit.

>>715502818
Japanese audience would hate this discussion becacuse they hate deliquents even when they're part of the main cast who are all nationwide criminals.

>>715503178
>>715503217
finding out that strikers and royal were developed parallel to each other was one of the most depressing “oh that fucking explains it” moments ive ever had

>>715502818
>acts the part the best as a Phantom Thief

A Phantom Thief would have opsec

>>715502818
Ryuji is technically more of a mascot than Morgana btw

>>715503537
Yeah but the phantom thieves are retarded kids and retarded kids have shit opsec.

>>715502818
Yusuke could've been presented as much as a rebel as Ryuji if he kept that anger he showed in his Persona awakening throughout the rest of the series on a switch. Think Fugo from JJBA.

No Temmie porn, BIG FLAW

>killed the thread

>>715494696 (OP)
Romance choices not integrated into the ending.
I'm not expecting completely different ending for each love interest, but at the very least I wish that instead of
>Joker walks into the sunset
it would've been
>Joker walks into the sunset with his love interest

>>715505457
That'd be interesting. Maybe Joker could exit jail and his gf is already waiting for him before Sojiro even shows up. She could run up and tell you that she's so relieved that you're finally out

I can't remember much of the game, but I played it back in 2017 on the ps triple. From what I remember:
>Igor twist was obvious
>Akechi twist was obvious
>unmemorable social links
>SP management in dungeons was kinda fucked until late game
>game was too easy (I played on normal, so thats on me)
>all of the villains except the first guy and the politician sucked ass
>party members were mostly unlikable and uninteresting, the fucking cat was the absolute worst
>I cannot for the life of me remember how Yaldy worked into the plot at all at the end, I think at that point I'd checked out
>Ryuji's fake out death was stupid
>Morgana's fake out "death" was also terrible, I was fucking glad to see that fucker go back to the shadow world. I actually got mad when he came back in the epilogue.
I remember thinking it was the weakest persona game in the series when I finished it. I've heard that a lot of my gripes were addressed in the Royale release, but I haven't bothered to play that one yet.

The music was pretty good though.

Shitty adults

>>715495314
Why are they meeting?

>>715502840
I thought this was a spin off? It didn't even use the same battle system.

>>715494696 (OP)
You never see Ann naked even after the game teases you

>>715510635
It is. But Atlus makes all spin offs canon even if no one remembers it by the end

>>715495930
Big enough for a non fat japanese teenager

>>715494696 (OP)
Haru needed more development
Mementos can be a chore
Sumire is present for the entirety of Royal and is meant to be the "main girl" but you only use her for one palace
DLC personas wreck game balance
it caused P5X to exist

>>715494696 (OP)
Can you just trash every dungeon in one night like in Metaphor?

>>715494696 (OP)
Childish, too "safe" (while attempting to deal with some serious stuff) and thus lame in therms of the story.
I mean if you imply rape - just say it. Make everyone shocked and furious. Same with Kaneshiro. That was the most lame mafia boss ever. Drugs? Trafficking maybe? Nah.. let's just scam some kids instead.
I kinda get that they probably weren't aiming for the "dark" game, but you have P4 for that already.
>>715510575
It's 4/20. Celebrating someones birthday probably.

>>715494696 (OP)
Only one?
Ok
Fucking boring

>>715498630
Do you think she knows she is supposed to wash it?

>>715494696 (OP)
I haven’t finished royal, probably for a good reason as it’s too long and half of the game resolves around the metaverse or whatever the fuck it’s called and that’s boring as hell, the only palace I had some enjoyment of was sae since it was supposed to be a turning point in the plot but other then that it’s meh, the slice of life isn’t all that interesting too in 5

>>715494696 (OP)
Sure I'll give you an easy one. Yusuke is a completely dead party member. He gets mogged unbelievably hard by Ryuji as the party's physical attacker because he never learns Charge. He rides the bench late game every single run regardless of the player and his baton pass gimmick is useless against all the bosses so he rides the bench for most of the key fights in the game too for the few people who do choose to stick with him. He's barely important to the story after his own scenario which is by far the least consequential one in the game.

Strong case for the worst party member of the entire series.

>>715494696 (OP)
Just a skill issue from me, but I was never a fan of the phantom thief gimmick. Feels tacky I dunno. But I powered through anyways. Oh yeah, Mementos is the poor man's Tartarus. Could've changed the music the further deep you go. Like how you go up Tartarus in P3 and the music changes with each new block you enter. This one is just monotonous

>>715516203
>Could've changed the music the further deep you go. Like how you go up Tartarus in P3 and the music changes with each new block you enter. This one is just monotonous
That got addressed in Royal. Different music depending on what part of Mementos you're in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGDe0C2YmjE

>>715515707
I consider him the wisest and most intuitive member on the team but he ends up having to share his ideas with shit like Makoto Futaba and Akechi

>>715494696 (OP)
Awakening got progressively lamer

>>715494696 (OP)
Not enough of it's fans have actually played it.

>>715505457
>seeing the gang freak out when you reveal you've been plowing your homeroom teacher

>>715494696 (OP)
Every single character
Can't believe I let myself be duped to buy this trash

>>715516991
I do actually think he has some interesting things to say, but the writers elected to let Makoto and Futaba drive the whole plot as soon as they're in the party with all of the other party members sort of just being there. Yusuke and Ann in particular are borderline accessory characters by the end which is why I ragged so bad on Yusuke's gameplay, it's all he has for 75% of his time as a party member.

Guys, how do I enter obelisk from the back side in Nocturne, I finished diet building. I put the game down a long time ago and I'm kinda lost

>>715519387
>I enter obelisk from the back side
lewd

>>715494696 (OP)
The gameplay just isn't particularly good, nor are the characters. No idea how this mediocre game managed to stick around for so long

>>715519723
>No idea how this mediocre game managed to stick around for so long
Menus looked stylish, music was kinda good and you could romance "older" women
That's about it

no animated sex scenes

Kawakami isnt explicitly canon

>>715516891
That's much better. I only played OG P5, so after finishing the game, I really don't have the desire to replay it even now. Seems like Royal added so much QoLs. I remember the DLC where you can dress up as past game protagonists too

>>715495102
>bought persona 5 recently
>read that you can romance the girls
>decide that I want to romance shiho
>kills herself the next day
>mfw

Also when am I supposed to boost the social stats. It takes so long. I only finished the second castle recently but only have guts + knowledge at 3 the rest at 2. Is it pointless to hangout with people if it says that our bond wont grow stronger yet?

>>715520850
>Is it pointless to hangout with people if it says that our bond wont grow stronger yet?
it means that you have fucked up some of the dialogue options or you didn't have a persona of that arcana with you. Hang out with them and after that you will be able to progress the confidant. You can also give them gifts which will help

>>715520850
Once you get the Fortune confidant and level it a bit you get the option to pay to level other confidants without spending time. From then on yes it is pointless.
Social stats mostly level on the days it doesn't let you leave the cafe by watching DVDs or playing games. Also in the first month there isn't much to do so I did a lot of studying. I'm at dungeon 5 and have max knowledge and charm, need to level kindness now to access another confidant.

>>715494696 (OP)
Every character became irrelevant after their part of the story was completed.
If you got the sp patches early(which you obviously would if you were going for best girl) then you can easily beat every palace in the minimum number of days and then have a month of the characters stressing if they're going to be able to make it when you already know you won

>the antagonist is le bad because... sufering is LE GOOD

>>715520697
I finished P5Royal a couple weeks ago and was a certified P5 hater after playing the original on release. It was my first one and the game did not live up to the hype at all. So many hours into the game and still getting tutorials? No thanks. The first palace was also riddled with talking (about the obvious).

After finally biting the bullet and playing P5R, I still think the games combat is meh. It only really shines on the burger bloke but even then they do it in the most PUNISHING way possible to the point where its frustrating. A few tweaks and it wouldve been alright.

The interweaving of foreshadowed moments were pretty nice, especially with Akechi, Kasumi and Maruki. The only one I flat-out caught was Maruki's ex-GF getting mentioned, but I didn't think it was because he'd be the antag of Semester 3.

The flaws I mentioned (with the handholdy palaces and such) are still present and annoying, but i just accepted them. The worst piece of dialogue is the exposition between Shido and Akechi, just fully explaining their plan to the audience over 5 minutes. So lazy.

I enjoyed the Akechi twist, and I enjoyed all of Semester 3. The questions it brought up I could tell were what probably inspired Clair Obscur 33, as the whole story is based around it. After checking some interviews i believe that was certainly the case.

That being said, the bosses of each palace are kinda shit. There's not really any strategy (bar the burger one) as most of them have some arbitrary damage you have to reach before you can "actually" fight them. And even then, they have no weaknesses -- making a lot of the combat systems even MORE simple.

But yeah, despite being a hater to begin and all of its flaws, I'd still give it a 9/10. Even though the day to day stuff and combat was getting a bit tiresome towards the end, I was sad it was over.

Also, Makoto.

>>715494696 (OP)
Uhhh heres some:
The game treats you like a moron sometimes (look at any palace "puzzle")
Some of the writing is pretty weak
Joker is bland (im counting him as his own character, with most of the dialogue options you can chokse to say a or a but differently)
Mementos can be pretty boring
Each palace section tends to be very hit-or-miss
Some of the writing sucks ass ,(Im including it again because Im remembering more of the game(
And I want to drown the cat
>arent you pretty tired joker
>there is nothing over there joker
>this is not the time to do this joker
But the one that gets me
>Hmm I can explain the mystery of this whole side story, arent I so smart and the dev team so smart for thinking this
after three hours of gameplay since you caught on to whats going on (the solution could be found by an actual retarded person)
Now that I think about it makoto is the same thing, just morgana is more frustrating
Basically refer to point 1 again

>>715521309
man lives in denial

>>715494696 (OP)
No good MC content

>>715521502
Makoto is cool until you realize that she is the one doing most of the talking and exposition dumping

>>715494696 (OP)
I can't have sex with Kawakami

>>715494696 (OP)
for almost the entire game you as the player have no real connection/motivation to deal with most of the bosses. your motivated to beat kamoshida and shido because your character is personally connected to them and there's a direct motivation to stop them because your personally affected. W
why the fuck do I care about harus dad using child labor in Indonesia to make burgers?

>>715523183
This was my biggest issue with the game. Why do I care that theres an artist thats exploiting his students? Why do I care about this mafia guy? Because I have to save Makoto, who got herself in trouble because she was trying to expose us?
The burger one really bothered me though, because it's so stupid. Yeah, we changed the CEO's heart, but the shareholders of his burger company are just going to force him out and replace him with someone else who maintains the status quo. It's like the story was written by an actual teenager.

"God is dead, we killed him,
and so in our infinite freedom,
we as individuals, and as people living together in a society,
are responsible for our own morals and actions,
and moving forward in life."

"...oh wait, never mind!"

>>715522171
Didn't really like Makoto from the start
>call me QUEEN

Midsona 5

I'm liking P5X story more than P5..... am I the only one? If only the palaces weren't so long though...

>>715524334
>>715523183
i think you guys are looking into it a little too hard. sure it may not make real change, but isn't it good to take down all these corrupt assholes? that's the whole story of the game, small changes makes big changes. you have to change people from within or they'll stick to build structure and with structure comes corruption. I don't mind the villains being literal whos but I do wish they were more competent especially Shido. also that calling card was cringe af.

>>715495664
Why the fuck didn’t you use the word voice actor? None of the other words you typed up were Japanese except for that one.

>>715526593
his brain got switched between japanese and english what a baka

>>715526069
fair, she is the least interesting character

the gap between 5 and 6 is gonna be longer than the gap betwween 4 and 5

>>715494696 (OP)
Ann isn't my wife.
An actual reason is that this little fag is in it.

>>715527436
it already is, p4 released in 2008 and p5 released in 2016. Worst of all is that we don't even know if it's in development

>>715527551
>this little fag
"Obligatory mascot character" is literally the worst JRPG trope in the existence.

>>715529448
You ain't kidding. It's not necessarily ALWAYS intolerable if the mascot isn't shoved down your throat but this little cocksucker feels like a ball and chain.

Main game could have done with another dungeon while you were close to full power

The Subway Slammer isn't in it.

>>715527551

>>715494696 (OP)
No real plot, story is just monster of the week fior each palace. Also, the vanilla version was maximized to waste your time by making you leave a dungeon once you ran out of MP. It was improved on Royal but was still annoying since P3 and 4 allowed you to heal your party at the entrance if you wanted to spend your money on that. That aside, everything else is amazing, definitely the FF7 of the 2010's.

>>715495102
The way they use Shiho and not use her as a character is so fucking gay. She is way more deserving of a spot in the cast then any of them, but japs probably dont want a rape victim as a romance option in a game thats solely made to sell plastic garbage of cartoon girls to waifu obsessed forever alone losers.

>>715494696 (OP)
The non party member social links being largely better then the party memebers who you spend a ton of time with

>>715494696 (OP)
No sex scene with Tae

>>715494696 (OP)
Gameplay is too easy

>>715515707
I’m impressed at how fucking ridiculously stupid /v/ is when it comes to rating party members please never make an objectively incorrect post like this ever again.
Yusuke is better than Ryuji during most of the game by virtue of having Giant Slice and Rising Slash which can lead to one shots. By the 4th palace he can get charge from the jazz club to make him even more deadly. You can also give him apt pupil via accessory from one of the dlc personas giving him easy max crit for brave blade. Lastly in Royal he gets aoe heat riser making him obiectively better than Ryuji. Ryuji at best is the perfect pair for him. Even if we are talking about base p5 Yusuke is still better than Ryuji for at least half the game Ryuji doesn’t get God Hand until late.
I swear you are just like the faggots that say Haru is a bad character even though she has the most broken utility and the best element for technicals and I don’t even like Haru I just recognize when a character is actually fucking good unlike the braindead waifutards

>>715494696 (OP)
Metaphor Refantazio is a better game

morgana existing.

>>715530095
>>715527551
based fellow kusoneko haters, i wish this guy killed him

>>715515707
Yusuke is better than Ryuji but he needs Ryuji to perform to his fullest potential because of Ryujis passive. If anything they complement each other and make for the best party together because Ryuji boosts damage via raging temper and Yusuke brings in aoe heat riser. The last slot can easily just be something like Makoto if you need the aoe debilitate, Morgana with Debilitate, Akechi for the support skill cost buff, or Kasumi for crit buffs. Really depends on your preference but I’d say the worst party members in 5 are morgana and ann and NOT because they are bad but rather because phys is just better than magic in general. The real magic dps in 5 is haru or Makoto depending on technicals so you use ann to support them with high energy

>>715494696 (OP)
>Haru gets her spotlight stolen by Morgana
>Morgana is an asshole and his tantrum is stupid
>Ryuji deserved better
>the writing around Makoto is pretty bad, she's never really allowed to be in the wrong and her SL is the worst in the game
>game doesn't do more to show Kawakami as the one true canon route