Thread 715501627

Why does everyone never shut up about Diablo II but hate 1, III and IV?

most ppl like 1
dumb dumb

>>715501674
This. OP, you are dumb stupid nigger and a faggot.

>>715501627 (OP)
2 is a slot machine simulator
45 year old millennials are gambling addicts

>>715501627 (OP)
I like Diablo 1 more than 2. Never played 3 or 4

Who the fuck hates 1?
People dont like 3 because the game early on was designed around the Real Money Auction House so drops sucked balls for the most part, along with the campaign being kind of bad and the most pathetic writing there was at the time. Didnt help the necro is overpriced DLC. Time has passed, stuff was added and changed, and while people still dont like its a lot more liked now and people realized its really meant to be played in short spurts every season
People dont like 4 because its gameplay is pretty much a more constrained and slower 3, had no endgame
(still kind of doesnt) and has retarded monetization. Its expansion basically could've been a patch and its overpriced too.

I SENSE A SOUL

>>715501627 (OP)
2 has the best necromancer so I don't care about the rest

>>715501674
>>715501697
>>715501764
OP saying people hate 1 was just his bait to get conversation started.

II is my second favorite game of all time. I like 1 quite a bit as well but it didn't keep me addicted as long as II. III made me feel betrayed and marked the death of Blizzard for me. I was waiting for III for over a decade and I got WoW graphics, Cain being killed by a butterfly, villains having comical dialogue, online only, and I can't even remember what else.

>>715503173
What’s your first

>>715503517
Tribes: Ascend...I lament.

1 was more fun

>>715501627 (OP)
Because you touch yourself at night.

>>715503575
I hate hirez forever

>>715504167
Me too, friend.

>>715501627 (OP)
I cant even remember most of 3 except they turned Tyrael into a negro, killed Cain and turned Diablo into an Alien Queen looking nigger.

>>715501627 (OP)
People don't hate 1, they just haven't played it.

>>715501627 (OP)
Nostalgia

Diablo 1 could be remade into a roguelite.
Make the floors bigger and harder, add permadeath but also a form of indirect progression.

>>715502554
IN SEARCH OF ANSWERS

>>715504768
Tyrael was always black

>>715501627 (OP)
because it's perfect. Blizzard is fucking scare of d2. They brought it back because it printed money but they'll never add to it because it doesn't print money like gacha mtx horse shit like 4 and immortal.
1 is also pretty good, but it's like 25% as playable as d2.

People hate on Diablo 1 because it isn't a loot grinder with a bunch of ultra specific gear, and at times rare runes, to unlock stupid builds. The only legitimate complaint about Diablo 1 is not having the ability to bring up everything that's dropped on the floor so finding rings and amulets cam be a bit of a pain. In general, finding a blue item in Diablo 1 can have a bigger impact on your run than any other game in the genre.

I like 3 even though I agree with the criticisms of it and having played 4 retroactively made me appreciate 3 even more. Going into 4 I foolishly thought 3 would be a baseline, if not basically the same game with a new story, of what to expect and not a severe regression from that. Kind of impressive they managed to somehow go backwards after spending years making 3 better, in fact each update I saw while playing 4 actively made the game worse than what it was on day one.

>>715501627 (OP)
diablo 2's monster design is god tier.
each monster has its own unique behavior and patterns that you have to learn and adapt to differently based on different builds.
for example the early game, the fallen keep getting up after falling unless you take care of their shamans who hide in the back and run away.
the hedgehogs? run away when you get near and if you give up and change directions, they will throw spikes at you to damage you again.
the rogues are fast and will run after you across the map.
and thats just the first map.
it had actual level and monster design and needed you to think.
every game that came after it was just number increasing and nothing else. every enemy was the same just different "elements" so you needed to raise different numbers.
diablo 1 also had this problem but diablo 1 was a proof of concept. imagine being as impressive as the tech demo that started the genre.
as for why 3 isnt hated as much as 4 is, 3 is casual and comfy. you got infinite respec and other things to make it a comfortable play without too much investment. 4 added complexity for complexity's sake to not appear casual and lost the only crowd that liked 3.

Do you start with Resurrection or IV?

>want to replay diablo 2
>

Well i love 1 im ok with 2 but 3 and 4 are disgusting shit
I love 2 because its most dark game, and does not force me to go and farm and farm same fucking mosters to get Item just to finish fucking game

>>715508756
Better than duriel

Every time I remember I bought d4 on release for full price I get depressed.
I can't believe I fell for it again.

>>715508756
gud luck! mwahahahah

>>715508997
Bro I’m downloading IV right now you better give me the drop

>>715508756
Every act other than 1 and 5 are shit in DII.

>>715508756
only miserable as a summoner, act3 jungle is 10x worse

>>715508756
Maggot lair as a summon necro is the GOAT experience

>>715502554
I, am a car

>>715501697
this is actually true

>>715508997
Yeah

>>715501627 (OP)
i remembered when i liked blizzard like 15 years ago, thank god I grew out of that

>>715501627 (OP)
i love 1 and 2, kinda hate 3, never tried 4

>>715509412
Well they were not that bad this time

>>715508997
Oh please, $80 is like three burgers.

because it was/is the peak of the ARPG genre, you dumb zoomer cunt? only PoE has matched it and that is solely because the devs made it out of frustration of lack of innovation in the genre after D2

>>715509647
>$80 is like three burgers.

>>715509647
Yeah but I dont want to give blizzard 3 burgers. Its about the principle.
I feel like I got robbed.

>>715509647
you exclusively eat here, nigga?

>>715502340
Zoomers are afraid of D1 because of it's slower pace. It's more strategic, so you need to actually think to come out ahead, that's what zoomers cannot handle, they want to just run into a room full of enemies guns blazing, press 1 button repeatedly and autowin. In D1 clearing a level might take over an hour, as you carefully clear rooms, you might have to run from enemies who are stronger than you. Camping in strategic doorways or using spells like Infravision to gain knowledge of what enemies are ahead. And if you get shit RNG you might just not get any good items at all. When a good item that you can use finally drops, it's extremely satisfying.

D2 is great but D1 is the true Thinking Man's ARPG.

>>715509647
>>715510076
>Fast Food comparisons
Fuck out of our comfy Diablo thread desu

No one saying which one has the best story

>>715509135
>only miserable as a summoner
Necro just spams CE, druid can easily reposition summons and directly target enemies with birds. Between those two, Arcane Sanctuary is actually more annoying.

>>715509610
nah, i tried replaying diablo 2. its not good compared to everything i have played since.

>>715510467
Yeah ARPGs have advanced significantly since then. The people that insist it's good today almost invariably have nostalgia blinders.

>>715508143
>The only legitimate complaint about Diablo 1 is not having the ability to bring up everything that's dropped on the floor so finding rings and amulets cam be a bit of a pain.
This is a great feature in D1. I almost universally hate so-called "Quality of Life". The fact you can't see items on the ground until you hover over them makes finding items harder (which is obviously good, games are meant to be hard, they are not movies). It would also sharpen your hearing, for example you would hear the distinct sound of a ring dropping but you just couldn't see that thing on the ground. You would scan the whole area with your mouse cursor for 5+ minutes until you finally find it
>Go to identify
>Ring of the Zodiac
Incredibly satisfying loot experience. Still remember that shit 20+ years later.

Since this is active Diablo thread I might as well ask here.
Despite playing D1 demo when it came out I never got to play the full game. Now I'm about to start it finally and I've originally planned to play as the warrior. But I've also read that warrior is just plain pain and suffering during the second half of the game and sorcerer on the other hand is basically plying game on easy mode.
Should I play as rogue than? I mean at the first glance, shooting bow and running away seems least appealing to me but it might actually be the most enjoyable way to play it.

>>715510076
Too real.

>>715510521
>ARPGs have advanced

What else is there apart from Exile and Diablo

>>715510467
>>715510521
I get the feeling that this is probably a skill issue. You went back and got filtered because of the higher skill requirement, now you cope by blaming the game instead of gitting guud.

>>715510583
>Diablo 1 demo

Was that bundled with Pizza Hut

>>715510604
The game should cater to me. Why do I need to rise to the games arbitrary skill requirements

>>715510467
that's why everyone plays project diablo 2 which beats the shit out of most games in the genre

>>715501627 (OP)
d1 and d2 were essays in the craft before the real work began. But then they threw all their notes in a bonefire and fucked it all up.

poe 1 and 2 picked up the notes and tried to use it but didint know how to translate correctly from old blizzardish.

>>715510583
Warrior is far more straightforward and easy than the other classes. Rogue falls off, and wizard is a chore due to mana and spell management.

>>715510706
Zoomer moment. I just imagine zoomers going out into the real world with this attitude.

>>715509128
>1
A bunch of green squares and a dungeon that takes 30% of the act.
>5
Pretty good visually, but the areas are too big and Nihlathak's funhouse is one long pointless filler. Also, Bhaal's fight sucks ass for a game where you're supposed to farm bosses.

>>715510637
I played it during computer class since IT guy was a cool dude and installed all the good shit directly on school computers.
Besides. There was no Pizza Hut here. I'm from the former eastern block.

>>715501627 (OP)
3 isn't even really an ARPG, it's more like a hack n slash. Fun for what it is if you really don't want to think at all about anything and just clear.

>>715510737
So chasing after multiple ranged enemies is not that big of a deal?

>>715510583
pretty sure diablo 1 didnt have actual classes.
each character just had different starting stats with different stat growth rate per level.
rogue was the middle ground, so go for it for your first playthrough.
dont bank on good pixel art horny armor, the only pixel porn in this game are the succubi.

>>715501627 (OP)
Nobody hates 1. 2 has the most staying power even today. 3 was garbage on release and is barely playable now. 4 was an exercise I how to design a game with 0 substance to milk money from returning players

>>715510892
A lot of zoom zoom's do hate D1, they can't stand the slow pace, they need fast-fast and instant gratification, and power-tripping.

>>715501724
I'm a zoomer that has never played or enjoyed any form of gambling game and I love d2

>>715501627 (OP)
They're just mad that the game got more popular. "No you can't like this thing, it was better before it got popular and the gameplay was archaic and slow".

>>715510856
It'll be your biggest pain as a warrior, but better that than trying to kite melee enemies as a rogue. You'll also be much further along the learning curve of the game to problem solve better when ranged enemies become a problem. Rogue just doesn't have the DPS to manage big hordes in my experience.

>>715510932
I don't think you'd even be able to get a zoomie to dive into diablo 1.

>>715510872
>>715510974
OK thanks. I'll start with warrior probably.

>>715511003
No I tried multiple times to get my zoomie friend to play D1 with me, he was addicted to Path of Exile and he would refuse to even touch it because it looked "too slow" to him. I think zoomzoom's get legit anxiety when confronted with harder, more traditional games, they need that insane level of arousal of the senses that you get from modern games like Fortnite.

>>715511064
It's a pretty short game too, so if one class disgusts you you can always switch. I honestly prefer rogue, but she just doesn't have the same staying power as warrior. Most people would say sorcerer is the best class/most powerful beyond the halfway point. The problem is getting there.

>>715501764
The moment I found out 3 would be online only I lost interest completely then the error 37 happen to everyone and I couldn't stop laughing. I didn't even bother to check out the console version which was completely offline.

>>715511083
Tbf diablo 1 is a different beast. I think I still have my ps1 copy somewhere. It's slow but intentional

>>715510932
>zoom zoom
no one over the age of 13 says this. no grown man is saying this.

>>715508997
I was tempted to get it on summer sale which was $30 then I heard it's much worse than 3.

>>715511572
Calm down bro it's just a bit of shitposting

>>715511246
Thanks again. In most RPGs I prefer melee fighters so that was my first choice. Also it just feels right to play as Warrior in 1 and Paladin in 2.

>>715511572
I say that.

Name your favorite Diablo soundtrack, now.
https://youtu.be/layjWs2IpS4

>>715501627 (OP)
Diablo 1 and 2 has a great boss combat mechanic, even better than Souls games.

>>715501627 (OP)
Diablo 2 is the only game worth playing in this genre

>>715512303
I wonder why we don’t hear composition like this anymore

>>715501627 (OP)
They ruined D2 with the 1.02(1.04?1.06??) patch that dropped the necromancer skelly limit. you used to be able to have 35 skellys and like 20 mages back in the day without getting any special equipment. I want hundreds of the little fuckers. I want my screen to melt and my CPU to explode from the hundreds of little skellys running all over everywhere. What type of loser settles for just 7-8 skelly swordsmen? Not I, thats for sure...not I

>>715512303
Even though I spend the most time in Harrogath in pd2, my favourite has to be lut gholein
https://youtu.be/SlUGs0hk5xY?si=UadSvcIloN9_adTC

>>715512303
It's hot down here.
https://youtu.be/B8klPYjS3ws

>>715513181
On the other hand they made skeletons stronger.

>>715513181
they ruined diablo 2 by adding sockets.
made getting rare equipment a bore.

>>715513562
This was terrifying. As a small kid I really wanted to play diablo 1 on dad's pc but the closest I could muster was to enter level 1 of the church and just hang around near the stairs up because I was terrified. Must have been around 4 or 5. Was very satisfying when I finally played through the game

>>715501627 (OP)
No one hates 1.
>III and IV
Don't exist. III was canceled and Blizzard North was disbanded. Meds.

>>715501627 (OP)
Nobody hates 1, come on.
3 has pacing issues - in that it's over before you begin and 4 is a live service vehicle.

>>715513750
>Doesn't even view 3 and 4 as canon
Based

>>715501627 (OP)
lk

>>715508756
SOVL

>>715512303
You can not beat this game
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5PBG92gkL7I&list=PL4C4D2047A5B1423D&index=7&pp=iAQB8AUB

>>715510286
More to the point I was surprised that the game pretty much expected you to reset and run through a few times with your character souped up from EXP and loot since enemies don't respawn and Caves 4 and on will wreck you. I think it took me and my buddy like 5 resets to clear the game co-op on normal on a blind run. We're older gamers who are going back and discovering popular games, but he's got a lot less patience than me and was losing his shit that we got stuck again after attempt 3 and I had to talk him down from ragequitting. I can imagine younger gamers not liking that specific design approach.

>>715501627 (OP)
I like all Diablos except 3 and Immortal, and 3 more because of the story than the gameplay

>>715517009
You can't just go in guns blazing. You have to be very careful, especially if playing solo. The game was clearly intended for co-op play. I don't remember restarting a lot but I do remember carefully clearing every level and getting all of the loot, also checking the vendors for the best possible stuff.

>>715519012
We were pretty methodical. I had to be careful not to blast him with spells, I kept killing him by accident when we started. It was an endless cycle of clearing as much as we could, taking loot back to Tristram, repeat. My friend is funny, it's like playing co-op with AVGN, but the endless bitching goes from funny to tiring after a while, I'm glad we stuck through it.

>>715510725
in your little space gap you should have mentioned torchlight aswell

>>715501627 (OP)
but I like Diablo 1

https://youtu.be/8-8s7bAxMsw

>mfw D2 Act 3

>>715501627 (OP)
1 is very respected, but it also an antique. 2 is hailed because it is one of the most influential games of all time. 3 and 4 are trashed because they were made console audience in mind.

i just want to say that i tried to get back into diablo 2 (the new one) but it doesn't have local lan, and the file size is too big for what it is..i went back and replayed the whole torchlight 2 game. it's fun. hope you guys have fun too

>>715501627 (OP)
cant stand these games they are so inferior to crpgs, played the first act of diablo 2 and put it down it was just boring honestly how do you people like them

>>715521627
Like Borderlands, it is exponentially more fun with a co-op partner.

>>715522006
so they are simply not meant for single player? I am trying to understand the craze, I played a bit of PoE 2 and didn't mind that one actually but I've tried diablo 1 and diablo 2. I like the music and the UI of the inventory menu and such but the actual gameplay loop bores the hell out of me. I was drawn to 2 because I love anything necromancy or lichdom but I just couldn't get into it. My build felt really weak too idk if I just didn't build correctly or what but I couldn't have any fun into act 2.

>>715522185
>so they are simply not meant for single player?
To me personally it would be as joyless as playing an MMO singleplayer, yeah.

>>715522185
2 is a great game for the community and the autism one can grind out with others. The game itself is just an outlet, a canvas.

>>715501627 (OP)
If I wanna play d2 as my first arpg, what are some braindead builds for learning the game

Why is D2R, Soicraft not on Steam yet?

>>715501674
Diablo 1 and 2 are simply too antiquated to be enjoyed today. They're too slow and clunky in comparison to 3 and 4.

>>715522517
ice sorc, whirlwind barb, summon necro, hammerdin, werewolf druid, javazon, trapsassin

those are the easiest/most fun builds, one for every class, some might need some tweaking once you get to hell difficulty though (which will take you awhile anyway if you’re going in blind so don’t worry about it too much you can respec later)

have fun anon

>>715522706
>>715511083
Case in point

>>715522706
nah dawg they still do work, kinda like ur mom

>>715512303
Wilderness
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v31nYDRPN0Y

>>715501627 (OP)
I don't prefer Diablo overall but I do prefer its pace and that you find skills (well spells) while exploring tying character progression the the main gameplay loop. If all skills were gained through books, tomes, or trainers you found in the dungeon I think it might be an overall improvement for the genre. It's a genre all about killing things and getting things to kill more things with, so, really, why not the skills too?

I know the "but but but MY BUILD" guys would hate that they love their menus of skills that aren't tied to RNG. But I'm sure there's room in the genre for something other than what the minmaxing build blasters want to do.

>>715522185
It’s ok to not like certain games. Doesn’t mean you’re doing it wrong. Dont listen to those other faggots, maybe co-op will make it fun idk but i really doubt that’s the sole reason you don’t like it. I play all arpgs solo and they’re my favorite genre by a landslide. It’s ok to not like certain games, play something else

>>715522706
1 maybe i never played it but D2 endgame is easily as fast as modern zoomerbait slop. D2 was the original adhd brainrot game

>>715501627 (OP)
2 is just really fun to play and you can spend 10 minutes or 10 days just running around in it. It feels really nice to progress in it. I don't find Hell immunities fun, though.