Thread 715541307

Discuss games like Bayonetta, Ninja Gaiden, DMC, Nioh

>>715541307 (OP)
I am thinking of compiling a list of action bidya
only thinking because I am too lazy

>there is a reason why this genre is almost dead
>replace main character with shit characters
dmc 4 sold even better than dmc 3
>companies making profit but being retards saying "if it doesn't make 50000 trillion sales its a flop"
bayonetta 1 was not profitable for sega
>sequels changing for retards who never liked the original games
this is wrong
bayonetta always had mediocre sales despite keeping the same character

This game has god tier weapon mechanics, now it makes sense why Team Ninja went with its devs for Ragebound.

>>715541634
Start with from software's forgotten magnum opus
https://youtu.be/buM7Ibjz2BU?feature=shared

>>715541307 (OP)
Stinky hairy jewess
I need this please

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>>715542073
bayo2 was locked to a shit console, same with 3 + viola

>>715542372
bayonetta 1 was not succesful either

>>715542526
bayo 1 was murdered

>>715542163
Too bad the weapons are kinda unbalanced, Sarmiento barely got any attention compared to how insane Veredicto and DLC Mea Culpa were.

>>715542247
The only hot girl in DMC5 and Nero doesn't even fuck her when he has better chemistry with her than with Kyrie.

I feel like a huge issue with older action games is their dogshit control scheme and camera controls. Terrible lock-on mechanics, wasting too many buttons to do what could've been done in a few button presses, directional inputs sometimes barely working thanks to the camera perspective. I think the best thing about Fromsoft is that they streamlined the control scheme, and Team Ninja further polished it with Nioh and Wo Long.

I'm kinda sad they are bringing back directional inputs with Nioh 3, but maybe it won't be half assed.

>>715542163
idk. I really really did not like blasphemous 1 and didn't finish it but I loved the ragebound demo

>>715541634
the combat overview channel is a good starting point, idk where he got it from but I think he picks games to review based off of some 200+ game tier list of "action" games

i cant believe how successful the god of war franchise is
no wonder THQ tried so hard with darksiders 2

>>715543019
I never had issues with controls or camera
are you guys stupid or something

>>715542754
Yeah the sword are probably the weakest of the bunch but they're still pretty fun to use.

>>715543029
Blasphemous 2 fixes practically all gameplay issues the first one had. I'm not exaggerating, it plays completely differently and there's a ton of options that are good that you can use at any time.

NG 4 looks awesome.

>>715543170
Souls players struggle if one button has multiple functions.

>>715543019
The only good thing about fromsofts control scheme is using the triggers for attacks as it pairs well with being able to put different equipment in left and right hand but even then it's actually underutilized and creates more problems in later titles. It gets worse and worse with each entry and shows they don't care about the control scheme. It would be very easy to fix it and make it capable of doing so much more. Weapon arts in ER are a great example of their bad control scheme fucking up the players potential.

Anyways, Ninja Gaiden has a great control scheme including the camera reset button which can fix a lot of issues people have with the camera and the game doesn't rely on lock-on mechanics while still feeling like you have a lot of control. DMC on the other hand gets really mess with it's used of lock-on and pre-4 the camera angles are HORRENDOUS. I played Onimusha for the first time recently and it has some of the worst camera angles I have ever experienced in a fixed camera game but other than that it feels good to control (unless ur using tank controls on OG hardware lol).
>I'm kinda sad they are bringing back directional inputs with Nioh 3, but maybe it won't be half assed.
No it's actually really smart, it makes those directional skills very smooth to use in combat

>>715543432
0 weight. Plat has 0 understanding of ninja gaiden

>>715543130
>classic GoW: 32.27 million
>DMC: 33 million
>>nu GoW: 38.33 million
Gaming is doomed.

>>715541307 (OP)
NG3 like any NG has some pretty grabby enemies on the higher difficulties. But for some reason human bosses are easier, I don't know if they don't scale based on difficulty. I'm still having trouble using most of the strings

>>715543130
These games were bundled with consoles so the numbers are a bit inflated.

>>715543019
>I'm kinda sad they are bringing back directional inputs with Nioh 3
sounds kino

>>715543019
Niohs camera is much worse than most old action games, Wolong atleast has a nice soft lock on feature that's fun

>>715543938
>These games were bundled with consoles so the numbers are a bit inflated
this is what ninja gayden. bayonetta and dmc fanboys repeat to themselves every night before crying themselves to sleep

>>715542980
Truly tragic

>>715543130
but darksiders 1 was a gow clone, 2 was a zelda+dmc clone

>>715543432
why are all the enemies so huge? Even the Shadow Fiends are bigger than Ryu.

cant they hide hp buffs behind bosses instead of forcing me to run around everywhere like a retard...

>>715545053
that webm is a boss fight

It's crazy how this game is better than 2 of the games in OP's pic but isn't as famous simply because of retarded /pol/ discourse.

>>715545210
mid souls clone

>>715545179
have you been checking out the other clips? The Shadow Fiends are 1/3 bigger than Ryu

>>715543432
>slowmo on dodge

>>715545282
It's better than Souls though.

>>715545321
I think the guy who splits in two is pretty big, yeah

>>715545282
lol retard

>>715541307 (OP)
bring back fixed camera
fuck normies and casualfags
also there should be a godhand successor by now like damn is it that hard

>>715545629
no one played god hand

>>715542980
>Nero doesn't even fuck her
She was made for Itsuno.

>>715545629
but you are a casual too

>>715542270
Thats Vergil btw

>>715543432
Looks like shit, thanks. In true platinum fashion we got slomo dodges. I bet we'll see a healthy dose of qtes and parries

>>715541307 (OP)
You forgot to include Sonic again OP

>>715545739
...on the left

>>715545734
atleast i dont whine about controls and camera memery

>>715543432
>we wanted to make MGR2 but Konami wouldn't bail so we are using Ninja Gaiden for that instead

>>715545964
they never wanted to make mgr2, that shit flopped hard

Reminder Urizen and Vergil are the same person and Vergil is still fully responsible for the deaths of a city's entire population after he's healed.

V was just a fraction of himself he cut off. V was a separate new being apart from Vergil. Urizen wasn't "born," Vergil expelling V from his body turned him into Urizen. This also means World of V is canon and he can summon V at will.

>>715545629
>also there should be a godhand successor by now like damn is it that hard
idk why dont you try making one smarty pants

>>715543619
What was Phil Spencer's thought process of giving this to Platinum? Is he not aware of how different their design styles area?

>>715546271
i would but i havent the time or money to research it and make one

>>715545210
get this glorified bop-it toy out of my face. it only got traction cause eve is hot but the game itself is hot garbage

>>715546243
Human casualties were always an afterthought in every single DMC game, the main focus is on the Sparda family drama and their shenanigans causing untold human deaths in the process, it's very similar to 80s anime like Wicked City, Devilman, Urotsukidoji and Akira in that sense.

>>715543130
The biggest takeaway here is how much AAA game audiences have changed over the last 20 years. The gap between the first few games and 2018/Ragnarok is huge, and even the first God of War was a high-profile game for its time if not the total center of attention the way the new games have been.

I miss the old games, but I suppose they had a mostly good run.

>>715546115
they did a little trolling some years ago

>>715546775
I remember seeing this and the last I googled it I found nothing, so I thought its fake

>>715546501
Not wrong but I point it out because it's easy to assume Urizen and V are 50/50 of Vergil when that's not the case. Urizen has his face, his voice, his mannerisms and even his moves. I think it gives more context to DMC5's story since all the demon shit Urizen does is really something Vergil does.

It's also interesting in relation to how they both come together. It seems a lot more natural for V to just be able to go back into Vergil if he's just a piece of him. Urizen fuses with him willingly too, which is interesting as well.

NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGEE NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER

I expect a full report on the catalog. Suck my nuts

>>715546385
Probably something like:
"Hm, seems like modern Team Ninja are incapable of making anything other than souls + diablo slop, better give the franchise to one of the few remaining developers that can still do the melee action genre justice"

>>715546420
pussy

>>715548162
>Hurrr durr Character Action mean le melee hurr durr
........I'm done playing nice......get a shotty & blow your brains out subhuman

Are the Batman Arkham games cags?

>>715548578
Does it have Mission Results?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????¿???????????

>>715548578
yes.

>>715548634
of course

>>715548634
I mean... Yeah?

>join an action server
>first thing I see

>>715548782
>>715548794
>some arcade side mode
Good enough I guess. Yep. It's CAG.

>>715548931
>inertia
dmc4 fags are unhinged

>>715548578
No but they're still very good action games.
I've been thinking about how fun it might be to have bamham style combat but without the extreme magnetism + some real juggles.

>>715548931
action games attract the most insane "content" creators unironically. Every single one has an insane ego or is just outright psychotic.

Halo bros.......................I think it's our time to finally shine.........................

>>715548931
Bros what the fuck is this nigga on about?

>>715549234
hell yeah

>>715549241
Slob on my knob.

>DMC icon
This party is getting cuhrayzee

>>715549913
>zSensy
This guy might be legit schizophrenic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEkUUnEIyZI

Gossip gurl general

whats a fun way to move around in dmc3? just waking is boring and stinger knocks down so can't follow up

>>715550134
You can buffer million stabs out of stinger

>>715550134
Beowulf, A&R and Nevan all have approach moves that don't knockback. You also have the Kalina Ann hook but that enemy-dependent. There's also Trickster and Air Trick, which you can combine with stuff like Killer Bee and Swing. I don't remember if Quicksilver slowed down things enough that Stinger knockback doesn't really matter but you can give that a try as well.

>>715549913
which discord is that?

>>715550134
Download the Crimson mod. It gives Dante a spindash....... it's so poggers.

>>715549097
>insane "content" creators
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuwWeBjfFqw
these guys really hate fromsoftware

>>715550603
>these guys really hate fromsoftware
Who can blame them

>>715550743
fromsoftware had nothing to do with the failure of the genre
the genre always had bad sales

>>715548931
>noooo why are you being meanies to israel
shalom

>>715550134
Skating on skeletons is fun

>>715550492
I cant...

>>715550914
i dont hate fromsoftware because of the sales of plat/clover/capcum/teamninja/etc. sales
i hate fromdrones because they can't shut the fuck up and always have to insert their ignorant takes about entry-level games while thinking they're well versed and not borderline secondaries
you literally can't talk about action games on stream without fromchildren popping up and chirping with some dumbass shit, they're almost as bad as fucking tendies talking about pokemon or smash

>>715550524
Action Junkies, it's dead doe

>>715550496
thank you gamer-san

>>715551210
FromGODS don't bother you action cucks, you're the only ones who seethe every time someone brings something like sekiro

>>715551210
sounds like you have imaginary enemies but ok

dark mid fans coming to these threads and telling I am the obsessed one... lmao...

>>715551283
Why bring up sekiro or souls in unrelated conversations?

>>715551283
i like sekiro and think it's a good action game because unlike fromdrones who spout about games they've never played, i have played every miyasloppi game and a lot of the classic from catalog too, and can recognize what games are good in what aspects
fromdrones, being 12iq terminal breakfast skippers, can barely even form coherent thoughts and just rage at any perceived sleight, even when they weren't the topic at hand
>>715551497
they shit up my chat regularly li'l nigger, that's not imaginary but look at you doing exactly as i said

>>715550914
>the genre always had bad sales
Not really. Look at this and compare it to the PS2 DMC titles: >>715543130

GoW1 and GoW2 sold only around double of what DMC3 and DMC1 did respectively, and those were massive titles back then. The Onimusha games sold less but were still around that range. And they did so in spite of being wildly mismanaged by Capcom. Back then basically every other IP game was being made in the template of these games (Ghost Rider, Lord of the Ring, Nightmare Before Christmas, you name it).

This whole idea that action games or hack and slash or however you want to call them sell bad doesn't hold up to scrutiny. Games like Stellar Blade and Wukong still come out and are super popular. Hell even at their worst they've been way above something like fighting games.

>>715551546
>unrelated
If it's a conversation of parry mechanics why shouldn't I bring it up, it is the single most defining aspect in Sekiro

>>715551574
blah blah blah
your persecution complex is amusing

bro trust the genre so dead microsoft begged TN to make NG4 =)))

>>715551754
>*shits self*

>>715551628
>Games like Stellar Blade and Wukong
Wukong would have sold if it was a racing game. It's chinklands' first attempt at AAA and it's journey to the west. Every bug under the fridge would have bought it regardless.
Stellar blade sold because of the controversy around tits. I can't recall a single conversation about the gameplay. I agree with you but I think those two aren't the best examples of sales due to genre

>>715551803
>ninja gaiden is the genre

>>715551691
>it is the single most defining aspect in Sekiro
It is literally the only aspect of sekiro

>>715552017
always was

>>715551628
>Not really. Look at this and compare it to the PS2 DMC titles: >>715543130 (You)
>GoW1 and GoW2 sold only around double of what DMC3 and DMC1 did respectively
that was me posting
classic god of war always was succesful and dmc to some extent
>Stellar Blade and Wukong
this is pure desperation especially wukong
just accept it this genre is dead

>>715552017
Yes

>>715551216
Zsenzy is Arab, I guess the other guys are jews

>>715552017
Always has been, it is the peak of action.

>>715549913
>[redacted] is a rotten evil cunt
Who is he talking aboot?

>>715552079
Nope. Sonic btfos your gay hardcore nerd cred gay garbage. Kys poser b*tch

>>715552193
>peak of action
yeah these bosses are amazing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSDtxkSKrGk

>>715552193
See>>715552231

>>715552231
Hello chris chan

Speaking of youtube schizos or w/e, I remember looking at a video claiming to show 3RE advanced techniques and the fucking way this guy talks was too much. This genre attracts the cringiest people possible, I love it

https://streamable.com/hd4ink

>>715551926
>Wukong would have sold if it was a racing game
>those two aren't the best examples of sales due to genre
In what other genre are you going to make a heroic cool dude/hot chick game? Why they're popular isn't important, GoW is popular because of things besides gameplay, but how else was a game like that going to play?

>>715552578
You should check his non-gaming videos.

>>715552409
Hey

>>715552694
>heavenly sword
Kino cast, should have been a movie instead.

what do you recommend? Ninja gaiden or dmc?

>>715552943
Both

>>715550603
What I hate about these type of people is that their hate is misguided.

It's ultimately the fault of the fans that have ruined these games and created a fandom of retard faggots who think fromsoft games are the hardest video games ever made with impeccably designed combat. Fromsoft then caters to those guys, believing that's all people care about when the early souls games have amazing level design and interesting worlds and since then all fromsoft does is rehash rehash rehash, with very few improvements between each entry. It's not fromsofts fault that their games got popular and everyone started copying them, it's moreso fans themselves again making the games combat to be more than it actually is.

I've known too many people who play the later games then try to go back and play the early souls titles and end up hating them and complaining that they're easy and it's purely because they're coming at it from the mindset that the games are supposed to be hard with challenging combat instead of viewing them how they're supposed to be viewed, action-adventure games.

>>715551926
There are some people who try to gaslight about Stellar Blade's gameplay but they can't actually have a good faith defense other than saying they personally enjoyed it and it was totally for the gameplay. When people call it out for being parryslop the defense is that "well you don't NEED to use the parry" which disregards that the entire game is balanced around the assumption you'll be standing around parrying.

>>715552943
dmc3 is the only good dmc btw
ng1 and 2 are peak action tho

the fans in this genre are delusional
imagine comparing single player games to multiplayer games like starcraft brood war

>>715553127
Dark Souls had the difficulty be its main point in marketing, look at the back of the box.

>>715552769
holy fuck i'm dying. I had no doubt in my mind he was brown but the fucking outfit. Dude definitely thinks he's sasuke or something

>>715552943
shut the fuck up. How are we supposed to choose for you retard? We dont know what you like, the series do different things. You have to play them to know what you'd like more

>>715553327
ninja gaiden black on MN is definitely harder and more skill based than modern fighting games

>>715553127
Nobody is stopping FromSoft from innovating their combat or having better level design. In fact just about every Souls-like has ideas that FromSoft could take but they don't even care to look at the competition.

The reality is that half the reason these games were even good was Japan Studio and that no longer exists. Demon's Souls and Bloodborne wouldn't have existed without Japan Studio, and FromSoft rehashes from those games the most.

FromSoft more-or-less just stumbled into success. It was Sony and Bamco that made Souls big.

>>715553551
>How are we supposed to choose for you retard?
It's not hard to assume he prefers good video games therefore it's easy to recommend ninja gaiden

>>715553637
>harder and more skill based than modern fighting games
where are your evo trophies?
if these games are so easy then you must be winning multiple tournaments right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuzlDAs3IOk

>>715553327
Yes. I like action games but the amount of stuff you're actually thinking about is very little. DMC enemies are jokes. NG enemies are very manageable as long as you keep moving and know what i-frame moves to use. Bayonetta lets you dodge at any time so defense is purely reactionary. God Hand is probably the toughest game in the genre but it's unironically because the game is straight up unfair and has a lot of RNG on level die but even then a lot of the time you're spamming up dodge until you can land a counterhit to launch into crowd control.

Actual competitive games are constantly having your brain trying to think several steps ahead to figure out what the opponent is doing with much more complex controls and available actions. A lot more working parts that you ACTUALLY need to think about.

>>715554057
I won all evo joints for every fighting game

>>715554057
How do we get the Saudi prince into action games?

>>715554274
Do you really want to see Bayonetta 4 feat. Ronaldo?

>>715554354
Dante x Salvadore would work THO

>>715553356
Bamco handles the marketing but they still went with that marketing because of des' reception.

>>715553729
I'm not saying modern fromsoft doesn't suck. They do. A lot. But people put the blame on the early souls games as if they're doing something wrong or bad. They're fun adventure games that people blew out of proportion and many many many games started copying.
>half the reason these games were even good was Japan Studio
There needs to be more documentation for this because I unironically believe every good thing about bloodborne came from them. Bloodborne was a new IP that had actual changes and innovations upon the souls format, it felt like an actual evolution. Then you get to DS3 and it's.....DS1 but with weapon arts, slightly faster combat, and bad boss design. then ER comes out and again, new IP new world new ideas....except it's just DS3 with a jump button and a TERRIBLE open world. They did so little to try and change the gameplay, they straight up re-use several sounds and animations directly from sous games it's EMBARRASSING

30+ mil copies sold tho

>>715554354
>he doesn't know
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwHwqlLAd1Y

>>715554209
is that fightinggm?
you are a troll and nothing else

>>715553356
They had to sell it somehow, and that was their marketers' main idea. The producer of demon's souls and Miyazaki deliberately made the game easier since there was a time during the production they wanted to have a perma-death

>“People were initially excited about the idea of a dark fantasy game, but they were so critical of the gameplay. Many people presumed we were still working on the combat at that stage of development, despite it being nearly finished! The truth is Demon’s Souls is just not well suited to previews, particularly at shows.
"You can’t possibly understand its approach in five minutes. Because of the action-RPG style people simply expected it to handle in the same way as Sengoku Musou. When it didn’t, they were left disoriented. This feeling was compounded by the fact that the controls aren’t based on any familiar scheme. Only a handful of players finished the demo. Some even put the controller down at the character-creation screen, which was particularly disheartening.”
While many claim the game is difficult, in reality it’s just unforgiving. For those who approach the game with the correct mindset, it’s both fair and rewarding. Fools rush in. “We were sure we went too far in this,” says Miyazaki. “The team kept waiting for Sony to tell us to rethink our approach but that instruction never came.”
“In truth, that we could allow the project such creative freedom was thanks to fortunate timing and release schedules. In that sense, we were lucky. This is not the kind of game that companies can generally afford to make without a perfect storm of good timing, skilled individuals and management willingness to take a risk.” “Initially the plan was to have the game feature perma-death, where death of the character would result in the save file being erased,”

>>715554661
yep that's me deaaaaaaah

>>715554785
go and keep crying about tekken 8

>>715553729
>>The reality is that half the reason these games were even good was Japan Studio and that no longer exists.
This, if it wasn't for japan studio From still would have been a jank c-tier jap dev

More proof that killing them was the worst move sony ever did, what a waste of good talents

>>715554847
Dropped the slop half a year ago

>>715554531
>people put the blame on the early souls games
No? I'd say most people agree the earlier games are fine as what they are. It's what the series became that's a problem.

>I unironically believe every good thing about bloodborne came from them
If I remember correctly it was JS that came up with the idea of having "souls" in DeS to begin with even. Which makes a lot of sense because there has been no improvement of the concept since DeS from FromSoft's part. The idea was huge in DeS with just about everything in the world being about souls then in BB and ER you just have them because that's how leveling works.

>>715554941
ninja gaiden black sucks and shitagaki is a hack
arena shooters are harder and more fair than any fighting game

>>715553551
anon calm down it was an innocent question about recommendations, you don't have to pop a vein because of it

>>715555275
fuck you

>>715555330
not him but fuck you too

>>715555275
>duhhh guys should I wear a red shirt or a blue shirt???

>>715555542
Red > Blue

>>715555542
You can't ask about recommendations from people with more experience than you anymore?

>>715555168
mad mid game lover

>>715555636
Objectively wrong.

trickster or royal guard?

>>715554695
now they make their games unfair for the sake of difficulty

>>715555985
Obviously royal guard. It's by far the most useful style in 5 outside of niche situations. Trickster feels good for movement but in gameplay it's nothing amazing.

No more heroes.
Which games in the franchise are worth playing?

>>715556297
NMH1. The rest are... Not as good to say the least... NMH2 combat is especially bad with bullet sponge enemies

>>715555684
Game shit game good shit game

all action games should have multiplayer

>>715556738
ng3 did and you posers hated it

For me it's Sifu

>>715557868
Sifu is cool but idk, feels like it's missing something.

bump

Do you really think capcom will let him make VJ3 next? Honestly like VJ1 a lot, haven't tried 2 so I don't really know where he would even go with a 3rd but I would love it if he could at least convince the cap execs to release a remaster with higher res art

>>715560129
If Okami 2 is successful I don't see why they wouldn't.

>>715560995
They likely only want Kamiya on bigger games.

>>715542980
>than with Kyrie.
that's not saying much

>>715561263
Anon Kamiya isn't back at Capcom. He has an external studio that's developing Okami 2 for them.

>>715561597
I didn't know that, that's good news. My point still stands tho, they likely wouldn't hire his studio to make VJ3 over some other project like a DMC1 remake or a new action game

Any C-Lovers ITT?

Combo brainrot doesn't make you hard core.

>>715562506
Sonic is trash for people with bad childhoods.

>>715562506

Sonic is trash for people with bad childhoods.

>>715562506
>furfag speedtranny talking about brainrot
the ironing

>>715562135
They're not going to give DMC to Kamiya. The franchise is way too big to risk on him, and mainline DMC has always been developed entirely by Capcom. We don't even know what his studio can even do so they're not going to put him on some big action game either.

Okami 2 is happening because it comes at very little risk for Capcom and the IP is big enough for it. Capcom wants to develop more games with their older IPs and Kamiya is free. If he fucks up that means minimal damage to Capcom itself. If he doesn't they just win.

If Okami 2 does well there's no reason they can't try VJ3. They can release the first two games as a remaster to test the waters like they've done with other stuff. VJ might not be the most profitable franchise they have but it was good enough to warrant a couple spin-offs and Joe being in UMvC3.

>>715562938
>In CAG thread
>NOT a speedtranny
Uhhhhhh. Ok. Casual lol

>>715556297
I like all three main NMH games to varying degrees. TSA is eh but it has its fans.

NMH3 has the best core combat by a mile, but the first NMH is clearly the best overall game.

>>715562506
Sonic is trash for people with bad childhoods.

Anybody recognize these freaks? There weirdly isn't a full staff list on there site, just this photo. Reading the story is funny. It wasn't Kamiya's idea to start a studio, it was the game designer for project GG (kento koyama) after kamiya announced he was leaving and then a bunch of other plat employees were really bummed that Kamiya was leaving and reached out so while Kamiya had to take his year off after leaving platinum, this kento guy fully created the clovers studio along with other platinum employees so it would be up and running by the time Kamiya was officially able to work again.

Honestly crazy sneaky, I feel like there has to be a lot of bad blood at Platinum over this.

>>715562947
>Risk
Anyways that's why I said a DMC1 remake. Itsuno is gone, who else could possibly work on DMC? idk why you think Capcom treats DMC as some coveted series, remember that chink gacha game? I just think vj3 is way more unlikely because it's a smaller game. Okami didn't sell super well but it's highly regarded and does have big sales potential because of that reputation.

>>715563478
Worry about your fading adulthood as you wither away reading this while shitting in your boomer diaper

Is Ninja Gaiden 2 Black worth $30 if I still have a perfectly functional copy of NG2 on the 360?

>>715563527
>that's why I said a DMC1 remake
Again, we don't even know if the studio is capable of doing a DMC1 remake, and why would they even wait for them to finish Okami 2? They're probably already working on a DMC1 remake if they're making one.

>who else could possibly work on DMC?
5SE's director is still at Capcom, there's probably plenty of the other staff that worked on DMC5 and DD2 since Itsuno didn't really have some big exodus.

>idk why you think Capcom treats DMC as some coveted series
It's literally their 5th biggest property:
https://www.capcom.co.jp/ir/english/business/salesdata.html

>remember that chink gacha game
Even that was surprisingly good for a gacha in its early stages, it only got worse later. Same thing with the Netflix show, it was like at the top of the viewer charts when it came out and came with a massive sales boost.

Same thing with the PRG collabs they did, people were all over that.

DMC sells, they're not going to give it to Kamiya and his recently established studio. Specially not after DmC.

>I just think vj3 is way more unlikely because it's a smaller game
It's MORE likely because it's a smaller game.

>>715563527
Getting everyone to do this C hand sign reminds me of the finger pinch that makes fun of Koreans for having tiny dicks.

>>715564297
>finger pinch that makes fun of Koreans for having tiny dicks.
wat

>>715556526
NMH2 is serviceable and even pretty cool at times, it just has a lot of stinkers too. definitely worth a play

>>715546243
>>715546501
>Human casualties were always an afterthought in every single DMC game
That's just plain wrong. In DMC1, it was an isolated incident. DMC3, its just the Temen-Ni-Gru rising up, and we can assume the demons are only targetting Dante and the city was evacuated. In 4, we don't see any casualties and the ones we do see are just makeshift demon guards. DMC5 makes it a point to tell you and show you all the people that are dying because of Vergil's actions then expects you to just wave it all off once Dante and Vergil make up. He is responsible for thousands of deaths, if not hundreds of thousands and it is the focus of his quest for more power. You can't just ignore it and say the casualties are an afterthought after you put all the focus in it to the point where you have husks embracing eachother in the street. They could have easily made the narrative in a way that it wouldn't make Vergil a mass murdering fuckhead and Dante an enabling retard had they chosen a way that actually kept any sort of human casualties out of the narrative.

>>715564710
>its just the Temen-Ni-Gru rising up, and we can assume the demons are only targetting Dante
We see demons have killed people brutally in the bar.

>we don't see any casualties and the ones we do see are just makeshift demon guards
The hell? We literally see the demons attacking people in Fortuna. Trish even says she's going to take care of it when Dante's part of the game comes on and the gates are fully open. It's also confirmed in the DMC5 prequel novel that Fortuna got massively fucked up.

How did you guys like Astral Chain? I thought the combat was decent and interesting, definitely the type of game that deserves a sequel where they get all the mechanics fully fleshed out with more improvements and quality of life to really expand on the combat and its possibilities. With how lackluster V was in DMC5, it really makes me want an action game that really takes the "stand" and summoning mechanics to new levels.

>>715564540
A Korean feminist site had this as a logo specifically in reference to Koreans having tiny dicks and apparently a lot of Korean feminists sneak it into advertising and stuff as a joke.

>>715564923
Oh and Leviathan ate things like a plane, a schoolbus and a communications tower.

It likely wasn't as bad as Red Grave but Temen-Ni-Gru had casualties.

>>715565129
>>715564297
>>715564540
Aw shit. Fuck. Ahhh damn. Another LITERALLY ME!!!!! Psy opera. Kino.

>>715565369
You're not supposed to call it out retard. Makes you look like a schizo

>>715565465
Your ant farm is shit. Let it get as bad as possible.

Character action is a nebulous genre. Everyone knows what major games fall within it (largely) but few can explain why some games do not or if some smaller titles do. It provokes interesting genre questions which I'd like to probe.

1. Why is Batman: Arkham Asylum not a character action game?

2. Why is Nights of Azure not a character action game?

3. If a game has generic "levels" does that instantly preclude it from being character action and instantly force it into action RPG?

4. Do Chaos Legion, Nightshade (PS2), Bloodrayne 1-2 and Oneechanbara also fall into the character action genre?

>>715564923
I admit to be wrong on that one then. Last time I played 3 or 4 must have been at least 3+ years by now, and when it comes to 4 all I remember was the Kyrie and Nero scene outside by the fountain at the start of the game with everyone running away and how empty everything was after by the end.

I do still hold that narratively what they did in 5 was handled badly. To put so much focus on what Vergil had to do, and showing it so intently. In 3, it can be waved off as collaretal from the tower rising up. In 4, it was another group doing it. However, in 5 it was all Vergil. I just hated how there wasn't any type of reflection towards it at all and there isn't any consequences to it because if there are no consequences or regrets, then why the fuck do we care if the roots and the tree grow and kill everything? If Vergil is back and Dante gets to be together with him then that's all that matters? Makes every character look like a massive asshole.

>>715565973
Furthermore is just weakens the whole point of 3 where you have the cruelty of humans rivaling that of demons, and that even demons can have regrets or suffer loss. Makes Vergil no better than Mundus or Arkham, and he just gets away with it.

>>715546243
Urizen was only created and started killing people because of Vergil, but he was also only stopped because of Vergil. He has not made up for his crimes yet, but to be fair at least he literally sends himself to hell (again) in the end.

>>715566379
He better drop Reuben and make Dante his again.

>>715566813
capcom already dropped reuben like absolute faggots, he didn't voice ken in sf6 either

>>715563873
They are very different in many ways so I would say for that price, probably yes. If you're not sure I would just recommend getting a month of gamepass to play it instead

>>715566901
*Sigh* ohhhhh wellllll *sighs some more* *huffs paint* good.

NG3's checkpoint system ‘'Just don't get hit, lol’' is kind of true for other games. But there was the tradeoff of buying items and Essence. Now the game calls for more cheesy tactics. Everything post-NG1 lends itself to cheap tactics. NG3 and NG2 are nice for cool ‘'MAD’' videos but bad for everything else. Dreadful games

>>715565971
1. Arkham series are considered close and case-by-case. A big sticking point is the lack of a ranking system and not being stage-based.
2. ARPGs rarely fit in the genre, both for the structural differences and also because often they have a disproportionate focus on stats over the combat having mechanical depth. Also they tend to be designed for a single playthrough and have long stretches of not having action when the standard of stylish action are that getting to the action is fast and usually a playthrough aims to be around 10-15 hours with a focus on replaying it.
There are some games which can get close but have an issue where combat can be determined more by numbers than player skill.
3. Don't know what this means, level-based games are the standard. If you mean the game doesn't have clearly marked levels a la Nier Automata then usually it does distance it from the genre but it doesn't force it out of the genre.
4. Yes to all 3.

>>715567023
You have at least two ways to heal in 3RE. Also cicada surge lets you cancel out of anything to counter an attack so just get good

>>715565973
>>715566746
>Makes Vergil no better than Mundus
That's the whole point Urizen as a character is making, Anon.

Why do you think he has eyes all over his body? It's because of Mundus was actually just a mass of goo and eyes. The eye in the middle of his chest is supposed to resemble the hole in Mundus chest and both are telling you they have no heart. Dante stabs himself with DSD in the same place to transform into his Sin DT as well. The eye represents power and makes up for what Vergil doesn't have anymore. That's why a some of the other demons either have a bunch of eyes (Goliath) or don't have any (Proto Angelo). The Qliphoth spires towering over you are also intended to resemble the Mundus cloud doing the same and represent Urizen watching over you.

Same thing with the Qliphoth levels, its just a giant heart like the final levels in DMC1 before Mundus. The structure inside the Qliphoth also draw from castle levels in DMC1, specially the concept art. The Qliphoth draws blood from humans because demons feed on human emotion in order to get more powerful, which is why Nero and Dante have "true power" while Vergil doesn't.

Finally you have the final levels in the game which are white and heavenly-looking and happen in the stratosphere. Nero saving Vergil comes off as a stretch but that's kind of the point. It's supposed to be a thematic echo of Dante and Trish's relationship in DMC1, where he saves her for no good reason and then she miraculously revives later on. It's supposed to be a sort of miracle that Nero can DT and Vergil can actually turn over a new leaf.

>>715567730
Also yes, Vergil *is* supposed to be a bad person.

People see him as an anti-hero because he's charismatic, but he's in the games he's always been nefarious, although noble to some degree. That's why I brought the whole Urizen thing up.

>>715567306
Still in NG3 ayane is really vanilla ryu. I just learned that she can dash + OT (under) enemies. I don't know if the game triggered the SOB animation, but it felt like vanilla.

>>715568171
And killing him would be introducing dead family to Dante and Nero that neither really wants.
Dante also knows it's kind of a dumb move and he was ready to kill Vergil on multiple occasions but he still loves his brother and doesn't want to go through with it. The family being able to have compassion for Vergil even though he's evil is also a part of the greater themes of the story - when Lady kills Arkham she cries even though he fully deserved it, because even though he's obviously evil and she justifiably hated him, she still is human enough that killing a family member takes a lot of mental strength.
Plus there's the idea that Vergil's selfish desire for power has been satiated and he is content on that front. Killing him at that point wouldn't really serve a purpose, when it wouldn't bring back the lost lives. It's kind of better if Dante and Nero tard wrangle him and force him to atone for his sins.

>>715568815
Bayonetta does the DMC plot better

>>715568818
DMC V truly ruined the cgg culture.

>>715569279
I think it started when console warriors snuck in via Bayo 2 being announced as a WiiU exclusive and only festered from there.

>>715569016
Bayonetta's plot is an abortion.

>>715542073
>dmc 4 sold even better than dmc 3
because all of the dmc3 fans bought the sequel to that game + it released on multiple consoles unlike dmc3 which was a single console game at the end of that console gen that had to follow up one of the worst sequels of all time
https://www.capcom.co.jp/ir/english/business/million.html
according to capcoms own tracking the OG release of dmc4 sold 3 million and dmc3 + se (counted as distinct games for some reason) are a combined 2.3 million, nero really didn't do anything to make the game sell more

>>715569626
I think it's really good. It has a sense of scale that even DMC V and DmC lack. In fact, the American writers of the DmC plot owe more to Bayonetta than to the Japanese games.

>>715567023
I'd rather play 2 and 3RE than 1

>>715564929
Haven't played astral chain yet, but if you like summoner action, you should play Chaos Legion.

>why is the genre dying? why doesnt it sell??
These discussions always show up in here and it feels so silly
the genre was just not doing very well, its not that deep. theres a lot of flawed/shallow aspects about them and they just didnt reach their full potential

It was never about a lack of audience, people not being into it, not being accessible enough, or whatever. Its not that deep and the games arent that hard

What do we think of MadWorld?

>>715571203
>newfag tries baiting for the first time

>>715571203
>newfag tries baiting for the first time

>>715571651
Very underrated as far as the game aspect goes, almost in part due to how incredible the presentation is. It's not exactly deep, but it has all the basics you need and the levels are pretty good across the board. It's like a whole game about being so good at a beat-em-up that you score chase instead of just trying to survive. Top 5 Platinum game.

>>715571665
>>715571831
its not wrong. you cant just keep thinking theres no audience when zoomer action games with far more button presses with autistic lategame content can sell multiple millions of copies

>>715567295
>3. Don't know what this means, level-based games are the standard. If you mean the game doesn't have clearly marked levels a la Nier Automata then usually it does distance it from the genre but it doesn't force it out of the genre.
levels as in RPG levels, not areas

>>715543432
>le witch time bullshit

Platinum recycles this mechanic in every fucking game they make, we’re also going to have the mixing mini game?

>>715543432
The only kind of cool thing in this clip is him seemingly clashing to deflect an attack at the end

>>715572147
>zoomer action games with far more button presses with autistic lategame content can sell multiple millions of copies
Got any examples?

>>715572658
https://ultrakill.fandom.com/wiki/P-2:_WAIT_OF_THE_WORLD

>>715574606
pussy ass bitch

>>715574318
>X is the shoot button, A is the jump button
>during the QTE, press X to jump from the exploding platform

>>715574318
It always depends on their implementation
>Elder God Tier
Asura's Wrath
>God Tier
God of War original trilogy
God Hand
Wonderful 101
Revengeance
>High Tier
Madworld
RE4 & 5
Vanquish
>Mid Tier
Bayonetta 2&3
>Low Tier
Bayonetta 1
>Shit Tier
Most AAA games that use them for shit you should be doing in gameplay (particularly boss fights)

>>715575272
Forgot to put NG3 in Low Tier.

>>715572167
Yes, RPG levels are counterproductive to the design of the games. For reasons alluded to in the first response.
Your road blocks in an action game should almost always be a matter of not being able to properly use the skills your character has, rather than not having high enough stats. Most games in the genre do have some sort of stat progression but it's very minimal, just things like HP upgrades or very minor damage boosts.
Some people don't even think that you should have upgrades that you buy but in most games they exist to not overload the player with all the complexity right out of the gates, and also a playthrough of a fresh save file involves some decision making on how to spend currency.

To use an example of why you wouldn't want traditonal RPG levels is because it would mess with the difficulty of the game. An experienced player should be able to run through a fresh save file smoothly, a player should not be road blocked by a problem being they don't have high enough numbers, nor should they be able to get through an encounter by grinding until they have better numbers (cheesing encounters with Holy Water does not count).

>>715541307 (OP)
Hack.
And.
Slash.

>>715541307 (OP)
Get.
To.
Level. Exit.

Real Fast.

>>715575883
Yeah, dunno who came up with this "Character Action" bullshit... It was always Hack 'n' Slash.

>>715575883
>>715576517
Hack and slash? Oh y'all mean like dang ole Diablo right? Jajajajajj

>>715575272
Horrendous bait.

>"people" unironically struggling to process what's happening in a 11s clip
The absolute state of this place.
>>715572287
There's no witchtime in the clip, the game is built around having a functioning melee at all times (unlike games with WT). The slow-mo here is just a togglable effect.
>>715572630
Absolute brainlet. The one who clashed and deflected the attack was the boss. And it was a UT of all things.

>>715579085
snatch is the only cool thing DmC did and they gave it to nero immediately in 4

>>715579653
DMC4 came out five years before DmC.

>>715578404
>The one who clashed and deflected the attack was the boss. And it was a UT of all things.
put your glasses on retard

>>715579778
>can clearly see yakumo recoiling away while the boss is in his guarding stance after successfully deflecting the UT
So you can't understand what's going on even after slowing down the clip. I am afraid there is no salvation for you at this point.

>>715568818
wow thats alotta mid for a buck

>>715581579
The boss is literally winding up an entire ass attack while the player charges UT then the player does some flash to cancel the UT to clash with the bosses attack.

You continually show yourself to be a retarded dipshit

>>715578569
hm... why does dmc5 look so bad...
>>715579085
and dmc dmc look so good... were dmc fans lying this whole time...?

>>715568818
wow thats alotta mid for a buck

>>715582519
I'd buy that for a dollar!!!!!!!! Lmfao

>>715562506
we should call this type of game a 3d platformer

>>715582970
We should call this type of anon brain damaged retard.

>>715582329
>the player charges UT then the player does some flash to cancel the UT
got an actual down syndrome survivor itt holy shit
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Owke926s01s
Not sure if you can watch shorts at a lower speed bro sorry...

Turn-based Character Action

>>715583816
That would be this

>>715584919
>No Mission Scoring
>Thinks Character Action means jugglan

>>715582329
Where did lilbro go.

>>715585032
It needs both.

>>715585175
Says who, your gay little YouTube hero?

>>715585261
Sez me, ugleh.

>>715585662
Cope & Sneed then buddy boy. You're wrong.

>>715543619
>ninja gaiden
>weight

>>715553371
Scarlxrd if he never blew up

Urban
Atmosphere
Kino

>>715586913
4chan didn't attach the picture for whatever reason...

>>715586913
>>715587014
DmC is visually more DMC than DMC4.

>>715587093
holy kino.

>>715587014
I would love to see whatever the fuck they planned for it before Capcom clearly forced them to tone down

I remember thinking a guy who spams Itagaki webms would be autistically knowledgeable but now I realize he has no clue what he's on about half the time and just idolizes based cookie man.
Did you really clear MN?

>>715583259
>moving the goalposts

>>715587564
Around 40 times across NGB, NGS, NG II, NGS 2, NG2B and NG3RE. More if you count UN clears for the latter.
>>715587865
No goalposts were moved, the retard thought the "flash" Yakumo did was some sort of cancel when it was just the UT release. Y'all must be sharing the only braincell

>>715568171
vergil needs another 10 years in the dungeon for the atrocities he did in 5

>DMC in limbo since Itsuno left
>Bayonetta in limbo since Kamiya left
>NG4 is already divisive with replacing Ryu and having PlatinumGames make the game, and is releasing in the same month as Sony's Yotei Slop
>Metal Gear Rising sequel never
>Sony isn't advertising Lost Soul Aside at all, so it will probably flop
The future of action games looks bleak.

>>715592068
You forgot Onimusha reboot looks like REalistic Engine slop.

>>715593064
It's not a reboot.

I am replaying DMC 3 to reevaluate the game since I thought it was hot garbage when I first played it, 7 missions in and I am not impressed tbdesu, not an awful game, but not a particularly great one either

>>715542163
loved the ragebound demo, should try out the second game someday

>>715587093
wrong

>>715588721
Upload all 40 runs

>>715601463
>he genuinely thinks itagaki webm poster plays
New around here are ye

using store tag search, these are the games in my steam library in the genre. yes, i know not all of them count, but it is just going off of user tags.

what am i missing? other than ninja gaiden, i know i am missing those on steam.

>>715601701
Oneechanbara Z2 Chaos
It's genuinely great fun
Nioh 2

>>715601756
>oneechanbara Z2 chaos
right, i have been meaning to get that and origin for a while now.
>nioh 2
i have it, it just does not have the store tag of either spectacle fighter or character action game, so it didn't show up in results.
there's a few that didn't show up in results now that i look at it. wanted dead and captain blood are both absent from the results.

>>715601832
Wanted Dead is shovelware like Gungrave Gore, don't waste your money

>>715601854
i already have wanted dead. i also have gungrave gore for that matter.

>>715565973
>I just hated how there wasn't any type of reflection towards it at all and there isn't any consequences to it because if there are no consequences or regrets, then why the fuck do we care if the roots and the tree grow and kill everything? If Vergil is back and Dante gets to be together with him then that's all that matters? Makes every character look like a massive asshole.
That's the point you fucking pseud, it was never about the human casualties because they don't fucking matter in the grand scheme of things, the main focus of DMC was always the Sparda family. Also DMC always had a devil may care attitude and I'm glad the games kept the tradition in that regard. No one gave a fuck about the human casualties in DMC3 and DMC4, this whole carebear schtick about muh human casualties in DMC5 is typical tourist zillenial moralfaggotry.

Vergil did nothing wrong.

>>715603787
jester's fault

i wish a stylish action game did something like this

>>715604351
>xhe wants dogshit hold trigger system from heavenly sword/dmc
Big yikes

dmc enemy design is so bad
no, dmc1 isn't good either

>>715604954
why have more buttons than necessary?

>>715607193
Pressing buttons is fun you stupid LE MINIMALISM LE FUNCTION FOLLOWS FORM tranny

>>715604351
holding buttons is lame unless its negative edge/charge other thing

>>715607246
>Pressing buttons is fun
Learn to play a piano then, styles in 4 and especially 5 are still just a lazy way of giving limitless options to Dante and weapon switching is clunky.

>>715607193
>anon is posting with morse code

-. .. -. .--- .- / --. .- .. -.. . -. / .. ... / ..-. --- .-. / ..-. .- --. --. --- - / .--. --- ... . .-. ... / .-.. --- .-..

>>715607651
I am glad you arent a game designer

>>715607651
Don't tell me you're one of those retarded people like Mork that go "le limitations is le good game design in single player"

>>715608224
I've been saying this way before I knew about mork. If you want to mash buttons to win just play a musou game. Besides the limitations make a game what it is. Even the polished turd that is DMC 5. Scoring is a limitation, time limit in BP is a limitation, arenas are a limitation, different enemies are a limitation, the fact that you can't change character on the fly is a limitation etc.

>>715608632
fuckin lmao this retard cannot differentiate between button mashing and high EPM

>>715601756
>Oneechanbara Z2 Chaos
I want to go back to good AA action games...

>>715608883
Boy do I have a game for you that came out just last year and was excellent. It's the only game in the RE Engine Era that Capcom said fell below expectations, we are cursed.

What do you mean, 'there's a third phase'?!

>game autosaves without checkpoints
NG4sissies, we eating casulslop.

>>715610602
multiphase fights are so lame, 1v1 fights in general is such bad design

>>715601701
Maybe resi 6?

>>715601701
yeah bro, where are the bmups at

>>715601701
Scarlet Nexus

>>715592068
>NG4 is already divisive with replacing Ryu and having PlatinumGames make the game, and is releasing in the same month as Sony's Yotei Slop
Oh I didn't realize that. I was hoping this game would be at least a moderate success but there's 0 chance of that if it's coming out near the overhyped and overshilled goyslop. We actionbros truly lost.

>>715610602
You know, I hadn't really thought about it before now but Ozma kinda has the same 3 phases as Isshin.

>>715607246
disagreed.
i like it when a huge amount of actions can be done without redundant controls
that way it's intuitive to combine actions by pressing 2 buttons at once, e.g. crouch + dash = slide

>>715617138
(far) center cam and (close) lock on is garbage

>>715617407
why?
if there's nothing to lock on to, it focuses the camera in the direction the character is facing

>>715617507
Because you still may want to recenter when fighting up close

>>715617138
>crouch
>sheath weapon
>sprint
useless shit

>>715617724
in that case you can control the camera manually, though it will still likely have your character in the foreground looking out at the targeted enemy

>>715617995
crouch would double as the royal guard input in dante's case
sheathe weapon is for context-sensitive inputs such as talking to npcs or picking stuff up off the ground
sprint would be the trickster input and depending on the preferences could also act as one half of a stinger input when used in conjunction with an attack toward an enemy

the best trilogy.

>>715612360
Didn't 3RE do this? Your respawns aren't all after the save falcons.

>>715618198
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipBYK4PT5Wg

>>715608962
There's no way Exoprimal met their expectations, unlike Kunitsu-Gami they actually promoted that game.

>>715618183
>in that case you can control the camera manually, though it will still likely have your character in the foreground looking out at the targeted enemy
moving the cam for 5 years or clicking one button, I wonder which layout is better...

holy shit i fuckin did it. and that's expert difficulty cleared with no advocates summoned. 56/57 achievements obtained.

>>715608837
>high EPM
if you want high apm play starcraft not a crappy single player game like dmc

>>715592068
Imagine thinking capcom or platinum wouldn't shit out another one of those games with whoever they want. It's not like Kamiya directed Bayo 2 and 3

>>715604351
Good control schemes? In my DMC? Get this nutcase outta here!

>>715623170
>>715623306
I'll get around to it eventually. I enjoyed the beta/demo quite a bit and even grinded to see more skills than what you're likely meant to see.

Is Khazan hard? Is it a grindy kind of hard or is there actually a big moveset to play with? I need lock-in slop to tide me over until Nioh 3

>>715625885
It's a great game but it WILL piss you off at times.

>>715627368
Big movesets, yes! There's only three weapon types but they're very distinct. Pic rel is the Dual Wield skill tree on early NG+. As you can see, I don't have everything unlocked despite maining this style for 55 hours. Some of these skills are mutually exclusive, and some of them I just don't use. The red skill at the bottom is a special aura unlocked by wearing a specific full set of gear.
You see? Lots of variety.
As for grindiness, it's not grindy. I just levelled up a lot because I fucking suck at the game.

>Mission Start
>Mash a bunch of combos to look like you're on YouTube
>"Look Ma I'm Character Auctioning!!!!!!!!"
>D-rank
Wow the cutscenes were nice but campaigns only get in the way of my shehdhdgaggehshdjdkxjspzlghdjdhdbshsjnzbxbxbxbxbxbeheusjsksjsgsyxjxjsgwnendyzoakbgjjghjfjkrkffiifigkgkg

It's only a matter of time before we get the first great CAG (Chinese Action Game). It's still mostly poor imitations but they're building the skill set. Some group of AA chinks will soon assemble their own DMC/NG.

>>715629321
>Chinese Action Game
thats how dmc feels after ng1 came out

>>715629321
>Chinese Action Game
thats how dmc feels after ng1 came out

Beat em ups > Action games
Fighting games > Beat em ups

>>715543019
directional inputs and movement inputs are both severely underutilized in 3D games

Wuchang next week
can't wait

Bing bing yahoo!!!!! ZIPEEEE!!!!!!!
Action within the confines of vidya's earliest days means jump button!!!!!!!!!

We finally in the big leagues now boyos!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jump! Jump! Jump!

Jump Action!!!!!!!

No true master ninjas on this timeline.

I'm doing it
I'm stylin'!

respect for effort but dmc style combat is mid

>>715638048
Cope. Your gay little combo stalling in CAGs is one big meme.

How do you fix UTs? The way 3 did it was also shit, we need something better.

>>715639345
don't make it drop essence on hit and go back to ng1 animations

>>715639320
Hello Chris chan

>>715639345
>wokeblader
Dude hasn't even beaten 3RE past normal, nothing he says matters.
https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198153024448/stats/1369760/?tab=achievements

>>715639691
Dante can rock Sonichu if he wants.

>>715639345
Do it the way 3RE did it, since that fixed everything.

>>715640885
>fixed everything
>cant use hold attacks during the charge
>UTs are most braindead they've ever been with Ryu just teleporting across the map to the next target

>>715640050
>Another NGfag is a poser
Everytime

>>715636968
neat but what does YOUR game bring to the table?

>>715545210
It feels bad to play at first, the part where you get ambushed by creepers and have to kill them with explosive barrels made me mad because using the barrels is jank. HOWEVER I struggled through it on hard mode and it's more fun as I get the hang of it.

>>715642724
>neat but what does YOUR game bring to the table?

>>715639320
Post Black Knight or Werehog to stay on topic Sonicbro.

The saddest part about talking to people about action games is that most normalfags just want a game where:
>There is 1 attack button, I don't want to "memorize movesets"
>There is 1 evade button, it doesn't matter what kind of attack is coming or what direction it's coming from you should be able to instantly nullify it

>>715644551
This is why soulstrash is popular, you don't need to think, just roll and spam R1

>>715639345
Charging speed reverted back to NG1
Manual charge only lets you get an ET at max
ETs reverted back to NG1 with much shorter animations with less hits.
Yellow essence works as a flat damage multiplier for attacks that absorb it
Essence can NOT be used to charge a UT without being in bloody rage
Ninpo works similar to 3RE but you can only charge it using Essence (all essence charges ninpo)
When performing Ninpo techniques, it will suck up surrounding nearby essence, leveling it up. Can alternatively do a fast version of ninpo to not suck up essence.
Bloody rage returns, the higher your rage multiplier the bigger essence orbs will drop which further multiplies the damage of ninpo/et/ut.
Kills caused by ut/et/ninpo instant cause essence to be sucked up (so can't be used to immediately charge another technique)
OTs only drop blue essence, which can still be used to charge techniques but will not multiply your damage nor level them up further (other than charging an ET).

To sum it up
>No longer able to cheese with pre-charged UTs
>ETs and UTs are weaker by default
>Back to back UT spam no longer possible
>More thought put into when to absorb essence, as each essence multiplies the damage of a charged technique and simultaneously you have more options to use UT
>OTs have more purpose while also punishing you for not spamming them
>A direct reason to keep bloody rage multiplier up other than score/XP
If you want my idea at it's absolute simplest, then remove manual UT charge, lower damage of ET/UT, each yellow essence orb acts as a damage multiplier, and ET/UTs don't refund yellow essence. At the bare minimum this would make the UT/Essence not just more balanced but more fun to manage

>>715644341
Slob on my knob.

>>715642479
Once again, trying to critic the most open-ended implementation of UTs in terms of available moveset is a bad idea when it only shines a light on how every other game is far far worse on restricting you due to constant essence on top of having less moves.
Similarly, crying about them being consistent after you actually hit as if that actually makes them easier to use than the games that constantly give you them for free, with ones that also teleport (poorly) and with more relative damage is ironic.

>>715644959
>Time Scoring
>Ring / Orb Scoring
I kneel. These are literally all the same game when you break it down. How could this happen????

this one dude who dickrides NG3 every thread with his avatarfag boyfriend popping up from time to time is very funny, and also the proof that these threads are worthless
everyone who posts in these daily generals should kill themselves, except the sonic schizo who's the best poster here just for ruining them

Is Bayonetta 3 worth going back to?

I loved 1, like genuinely immensely loved it. I played it through 10+ times over the years, multiple platforms. I even platinumed it on the dogshit PS3 version before I played better versions. I could probably do another playthrough right fucking now, honestly.

I remember loving 2. I felt like it was more of 1 in a good way and I genuinely thought the way it resolved a whole bunch of shit in the story from both 1 and 2 was really cool. I never did a second playthrough but I think that was purely because of it being on Wii U.

I got 3, I got a few chapters in and fell off. I don't know if I just wasn't feeling it or something. The one thing I do remember is thinking some of the weapons/abilities felt a bit too obtuse to feel "natural" to me. The train thing comes to mind, but maybe I just wasn't getting it right. I don't think I actively disliked it though.

I have a Switch 2 and I hear the frame rates for it are better there so that might help, maybe, but I don't think that bothered me in the first place.

>>715647209
literally and I mean unironically who?

>>715647245
Play Cereza's game instead.

bump

>>715543432
>NG 4 looks awesome
If you can turn the bullet time off.

>>715624310
>casual doesn't know the difference between EPM and APM

>>715623170
Good job. Now you must do it on Hardcore

This is just like a Ninja Gaiden fight.

>>715655103
not enough 1st person inverted aimed gun shots

>>715604351
>>715617138
Did you make these? or are they from something else