I put 1200 or so hours into hunt showdown before I decided to hack and buy an esp online.
My reasoning was, I was in high 5-6 star elo, and the playerbase would just camp and hold and angle indefinitely all match and wait for cheese kills. Playing aggressively even with good movement, game sense, and decent aim was heavily punished and not viable.
The first few days with the hacks I went a little ragey with it, wall penning people with long ammo through walls hunkered down in bases not moving with shotguns for 30 mins, as well as bush campers, but after that it got a little boring so I decided to run a double poison crosbow load out, I would dance around compounds and give people little bee sting shots and antagonize them for 10+ minutes before finally sending them to their maker, it was fun as shit to see em panicked trying to play safe.
I don't play hunt anymore because running esp furthered my realization that the whole playerbase just camps and holds angle and waits for you to approach to hold down left click.
1/10 players approach and play aggresive and I disabled esp against them because that is respect but the game is the most flawed fps I've ever played balance wise.

>>715544531 (OP)
>that the whole playerbase just camps and holds angle and waits for you to approach to hold down left click.
Literally every extraction shooter. Especially tarkov

>>715544654
Ye I've never played tarkov but I don't doubt it. I think tarkov is better and worse in some regards.
It's better in the fact that there are multiple objectives that you can go to for loot, while in hunt it's shoehorned to one or two compounds you have to play at for progression.
It's worse in the fact foilage is dense, movement is slower, and ttk can be way lower.

>>715544862
>It's better in the fact that there are multiple objectives that you can go to for loot
For maps there's a bunch of pre determined spawns for most expensive items that everyone flicks to. I think I dumped maybe 1.5k hours into tarkov and only 500 or so into hunt but I think hunt is the better designed game. They both have similar issues that stem from them being competitive shooters but tarkov comes with a ton of it's own baggage that ruin it

>>715544531 (OP)
I have about 800 hours on record. started playing 2019, stopped around 2022. The stale defensive meta is why I got bored. 3-4 Star elo was the most fun when people still tried whacky loadouts and aggresive pushs.
But the higher I ranked up the more "solved" the individual compounds became and the loadouts got more samey and everyone just kept camping.
Glad I uninstalled and never returned as it seems to have gotten so bad that people would rather cheat now.

>>715545084
Ye. Hunts mechanical gameplay is much more arcadey and suited for raw gameplay but it's still heavily flawed, concentrica shotgun campers in compounds , long ammo bush campers, its truly a disgusting game at high elo with little counterplay to the aforementioned strats aside from just outwaiting someone else.
Most fps games designed for competitive game get better not worse at high elo quake, halo, valorant ect.
Extraction shooters are a boring meme genre once you git gud.

>>715545485
>Extraction shooters are a boring meme genre once you git gud.
Since progression is tied to what you pull out of raid, the community streamlines tactics into exfil camping, ratting etc.

>>715545337
I agree with everything you said in your post and couldn't have worded it better.
Hunts elo system is so counterintuitive since a lot of the 4 star players 3 star to, are better than 6 star players in terms of aim and movement, they just run suboptimal load outs, and play loud and aggresive. No fps on the market I've played punishes you for playing aggresive granted your good at the game, i think it's uniquely an extraction shooter issue

>>715545670
Yep true, the problem is those tactics have little if no counterplay besides out camping the camper. High ttk fast movement designed extraction shooters would fit the genre much better i feel like.

>>715544654
ive played tarkov for 1,5k hours. the camping in hunt in 6 star lobbies is way, way, WAY worse than tarkov. sometimes id blow myself up at the start of the match just to spectate and the things i saw explain a lot. the game is fun when people move and push but the playerbase seems to have removed WASD from their keyboards.

Campers are just low IQ faggots. I had many games where they rather die because the time runs out than take a fight.
6* EU btw
It's doubly retarded because they can just hold dark sight and see if there is anyone in 75m radius.

>>715545732
>>715545864
I think the slow, methodical approach of Hunt is why I played those 800 hours in the first place. If I wanted fast paced action I would've played an arena shooter.
It's just that the devs failed to implement mechanics to still force an active playstyle. I was in lobbies where people would rather wait out the match timer than go for the bounty. My mates and me spent time killing one boss , killing 3 other teams, looting etc. while the other bounty was completely untouched. The remaining team could've easily just kill the boss but no, they waited the entire 30 minutes it took us to clear our side of the map to camp in a bush.

Traditional battle royales have that closing ring for a good reason. Extraction shooters need SOMETHING similar, otherwise the camp meta will always develop. I don't think TTK is the issue here, it's that you're not forced to move.

>>715546165
>I had many games where they rather die because the time runs out than take a fight.
kek ive done that before. bounty was holed up in the bosslair and surrounded by my duo and 2 other teams. instead of get the ball rolling as we always do we decided to just wait it out, see what happens.
we sat there for 30 minutes until the time ran out and we all died. just insanity

>>715546165
Campers always win. When I played high 5 to 6 star elo I would camp the majority of the time and wait for teams to push before I moved, i had a very high success rate.
Camping is just never peaking or moving until it is 100% advantageous and completely in your favor to do so, its not this outdated 90s definition of never moving that's some preschool shit.

>>715546253
I mean I agree, but most compounds need to be redesigned to. There's only a few entry points, and throwing consumables does jack shit to a high elo player, you can literally rotate to a small piece of wall geometry and completely negate the damage of a frag or dynamite.
There needs to be waaaay more entrances and holes in the majority of compounds along with better angle clearing items or techniques.

>>715546573
>but most compounds need to be redesigned to.
The devs could redesign entire maps (not minor changes but actual changes that matter) and the playerbase would still find ways to sit in a fucking bush most of the game.
If anything more entrypoints, angles and windows would make it easier to just holding those from outside instead of pushing in.

>>715546762
Maybe having portions of the compounds destructable with grenades? Idk man.

I find it pretty funny when people cry about campers and ignoring bounties and whatever, as I very very rarely see any of these problems.
T: 1200 hours, haven't been at 4-stars in years

>>715546358
>>715546358
But it's boring because what should be a measure of skill becomes a contest of patience.
It's basically just hoping that whoever your opponent is also does not adopt the same strategy, otherwise everyone would be just sitting there waiting for someone to make the first mistake.
Making defensive play better than offensive play is THE pitfall in PvP-game design everyone knows to avoid because it creates stale metas.
Doesn't matter if it's fighting games, shooters or RTS games.

>>715548017
Lmao this jsut reminded me of For Honor. Does anyone still remember this?
Around release players quickly found out that a few fighters could punish every single attack so it only took a week or so until everyone at the higher MMRs just stood there waiting for each other to attack because attacking was objectively the worst move.

IDK how that game evolved with updates and shit but this was hiliarious to witness. The lenghts tryhards go to for a win.

>>715548251
For honor had a similar problem ye, but i think it was because every attack was so slow that it 100% reactable so good players would just turtle and wait for their opponents to attack to parry.
It's kinda like dark souls pvp is adjacent to fighting games, everything in ds3 is reactable and can be iframed through on reaction so if both players don't commit nothing will happen.

Ye extraction shooters are trash I agree OP

>>715548017
>Making defensive play better than offensive play is THE pitfall in PvP-game design everyone knows to avoid because it creates stale metas.
This is basically League rn. Assassins were completely gutted in favor of safe, giga range poke mages which have about the same killing power and commit tons less. The point is, devs always end up acquiescing to these types because only cowardly, loud people play them, so the game must be bent to their flavor or else hell will be let loose.

>>715550669
It's more because of the fact that those are low skill easy picks. Champs with a high skill ceiling zed lee ect very few people are going to be able to master em and play em well were as ziggs, lux are braindead low barrier to entry. It's all about appealing to the braindead masses who don't want to work for sucess.

>>715544531 (OP)
so did you get banned?

>countless map redesigns ensuring every single spot has at least 3 entrances
>consumables that allow you to outright kill or at least flush out a camper
>free lanterns everywhere on the map if you don't want to lose a consumable for that
>explosive ammo that lets you do the same
>piercing ammo to kill the fucker through a wall
>high fire rate weapons paired with stupid fucking lag compensating grace period for shooting means you always trade at least 1 for 1 if you just rush in and spray
>people still bitch about campers and decide to cheat
I haven't played this game in years, but it was the exact same shit pretty much from the release, it's horrible that the devs only ever listened to retard like op
t. not a camper

>>715551450
Na and I used it for like 2 months straight.

>Admits to buying hacks
>Expects anyone to not think he's an absolute bottom tier whiny bitch
Shut the fuck up, retard. No one believes your "muh honor, I definitely disabled my hacks against people who EARNED it!" you just wanted to "win" even if it meant you're barely playing the game yourself. Commit rope.

>>715550669
Range having all the benefits of melee + the safety of range, and no realistic downsides is a very common problem in online games. MMOs do it all the time too.

Only thing I hate while playing this game is my lack of skill.

>>715544531 (OP)
>I was actually one of the best players BEFORE I started cheating
>I only cheat against the rats though
>If you fight me fair, I turn off my cheats. I swear!
This is pretty much how I imagine every single cheater thinks. Just excuses and cope. Just say you cheat because you want to win, instead of typing all this gay shit.

>>715556894
I wasn't anywhere near one of the best but I was placed in 6 stars pretty often during the last 300 hours of my playtime that's like 5% of the population. I know how the best players at the top of their game play so I don't have some weird ego bs going on since I got to those stars playing normally.but go ahead and shit talk.

>>715555516
You think this is some sort of gotcha?
As it stands in my elo players don't even play the game to began with so I'm not even changing much.

>>715557078
No, you're not. Look at this thread. Most of the people here are claiming to be 5/6 stars. Statistically it's incredibly unlikely, plus you're a self-admitted cheat that is trying to convince people you were actually good BEFORE you started cheating. That just stinks like cope.

>>715557816
nta, not sure how the rank system is implemented now, but back when it was new it was incompetent shit that promoted not actually playing the game, and people regularly climbed to the top by running around the map, sniping random retards, and extracting without ever getting close to the bounty. then the devs would wipe the leaderboard, supposedly fix the system, and then people would find another way to cheese it within a week. it's not that improbable that someone with average skill is able to get to 6 stars if nothing has changed in that matter

>>715557816

The best part is that he says it took him 1200 hours before he came to some sort of realization about how people play the game. Lmao. I promise you he played the game for 2-3 months tops and got tired of getting shit on by hackers just in general. Now hes on here trying to talk like he knows shit.

>ruins your game
I wish there was a version of "classic" hunt before they started adding all this shit and the nitro and winnie were still broken and fun to use.

>>715558868
>The best part is that he says it took him 1200 hours before he came to some sort of realization about how people play the game.
That is actually pretty funny. I never caught that. 'After a thousand hours in Hunt: Showdown, I've come to the sudden realization that people camp' LOL ...Yeah, bro is full of so much shit.

>>715558412
You know, I've been playing since early access and I don't think I've looked at the leaderboard once. Or bothered to learn exactly how the MMR system functioned. Caring about all that gay shit is extremely optional.

UI is still not fixed.
I don't fucking understand how anyone could approve this shit.

>>715559104
The game was harder or people just got better. I remember my buddy going down and I killed 4 people, and the hype was fucking crazy. We were both flabbergast about how I managed to kill all of them. Now its just 'oh yeah, there was a team here. no worries, I got them.'

>>715544531 (OP)
>shotgun
The core of the problem lies here, shotguns are simply too versatile after the pistol 1-shot headshot at any range buff. On top of that: you can just get gunrunner, equip any rifle and a shotgun at the same time and proceed to basically auto-win against anyone who doesn't have a shotgun in close quarters, but then also compete at long range.
Crytek should unironically make all medium and long ammo rifles 1-shot in the chest at <10m to indirectly nerf shotguns and remove gunrunner from the game.

I topped the leaderboard without cheating. Everyone accused me of bush camping to cope. I held W 90% of the match. I'm just better than you and you need the computer to play for you because you're an inferior human being. You may have gotten some temporary kills by cheating but you'll never have dignity and you will always be worthless.

>>715559505
I never cared about it either in the sense that rankedfags do, but I looked at it often to laugh at how retarded crytek was. Shit like picrel (56+ k/d with no kills) was happening regularly, and these people stayed on top for weeks sometimes.

>>715560041
>shotguns are simply too versatile
I hate shottys in Hunt. 9m is a 1-shot, 10m is a 2-shot, 11m is like 4-shots, unless you a bad roll then 11m is a 1-shot and 9m is a 4-shot. 0 consistency.

>>715560390
Lair level design is cramped and indoor fights almost never exceed 10m. And even if they did: just take an auto-4 with slugs and you can start sniping people half-way across the compound.

>>715560958
>Send in literal spy drone
>See who is inside and what weapons they have
>Pen them through the walls, or throw bombs through the million gaps in the wall
Or do what I do and concertina every single exit because its funny

>>715557229
No one buys your "Oh woe is me, I HAVE to cheat because of everyone else" bullshit. At least the people that own being a cheating faggot deserve a modicum of respect. You're just pathetic.