Thread 715558851

In what logical world is overwhelming praise and success rewarded with your franchise becoming dead and forgotten for all time

>>715558851 (OP)
Because the people who own those IPs now hate you

>>715558851 (OP)
furfaggotry
once they gave the franchises to the faggots it was over.

>>715558851 (OP)
Because the franchise has proven that it doesn't lend itself to long-term titles and anything with player retention.

It's the same reason Tony Hawk took 5 years to make a sequel on exactly the same engine.

>>715558851 (OP)
I have been doing a some research for a big post when it comes to why JRPGs lost their cultural stnading and the conclusion I came to is simple and reaches across the industry.
Big gaming companies at the size of Activision expect 10 million within the first week thanks to CoD and its like. And so having a studio making a "moderate" success when they could be making more CoD just isn't enough.

>>715559236
So basically it’s because big gaming companies are retarded?

>>715558851 (OP)
>be Activision
>chase down the CoD audience for years along with Blizzdrones and Candy Crush moms
>remember you own two childhood IP's from the 90's
>dredge up their corpses to make remakes
>the remakes are successful, you finally have earned the goodwill of all those 20's and 30 year old men who liked these silly cartoon characters
>ask Toys for Bob to make a fresh new game
>it sucks so they make a MOBA crossover game which also bombs
>now you have the validation to completely let these franchises die and when the players ask you can blame them
Its all corporate politics and manipulation. We were suckers momentarily swayed by the shiny new thing and promise of a better future.

>>715559402
Yes,
You see the line needs to go up and that certain market groups were captured early on in gaming's history and see no more potential in making the line go up.

"People who like to play 3d Platformers" is one of those groups where despite being able to successfully keep franchises alive for decades has reached its soft cap.
N-Sane got 20 million "lifetime sales" while in contrast a game like Mario Odyssey which was a flagship games on the most sold console in history has only reached about 30 million.
These are kids numbers in comparison to the CoD machine which with the latest game hit 500 million.

And so they chase the line going up instead of creating a diverse ecosystem of investments for stability.

>>715558851 (OP)
they can't sell you microtransactions like this

>>715560551
I don't think any company has an idea of a niche. They think everyone on the planet needs to play one singular franchise and game for eternity without end. Which lets be honest isn't that far off since retards still buy CoD games.

>>715559236
Exactly this. If it doesn’t have the potential for Fortnite-tier monetization or endless seasons of $20 skins, then it’s considered "unsustainable" by modern execs. Doesn’t matter if your JRPG moved 3 million units and had a fanatic community that kept buying merch and soundtracks for years - if it’s not breaking records every quarter, it’s effectively a waste of shelf space to them.

It’s not even art vs commerce anymore, it’s spreadsheet neuroticism. Mid-budget, cult-classic genres like JRPGs got caught in the crossfire of gaming becoming Wall Street's new toy.

>>715561293
Not to come across as a Nintendo shill but that's the lesson they learned with the Wii. Entrenching oneself in niches and accepting the limitations that come from is fantastic for Stability, Presence, and Loyalty.
Now we have reached a point where just a bit ago people were unironically getting mad at Astrobot becuase it was a praised platformer on a non-Nintendo console they thought didn't deserve said praise because of the work and support Nintendo has put into their platformers over the years.

Which again all pales in comparison to a nightmare juggernaut like CoD in terms of raw "line go up" power.

How much did Crash 4 sell again?

>>715562034
About 5 million, which honestly is the average for a game in a non-shooter genre with no brand recognition, but is slightly under expectations for an established franchise like crash this many years out form release.

>>715558851 (OP)
One where the publisher had to deal with a communist takeover thus sacrifices had to be made. Funny how everyone overlooks that part of the equation. Vicarious Visions wasn't sent over to clean up Blizzard for shits and giggles.

>>715561964
This just comes from the cost of gaming growing much bigger as a hobby than it was before. I don't really know much about DND but they seemed to have understood that theres an audience for those kind of roleplaying games with BG3. Now if this was the late 2000's and 2010's the idea of making something like was ludicrous. Same with so many other genres, including platforming or dungeon crawling games or other kinds of roleplaying games.

>>715562413
Isn’t this still one of the best selling games in the franchise, plus, wasn’t ctr nf said to have only sold 5 million until recently, how do you know we won’t see a tweet from the official crash account in a year or two saying it sold 10 million

Theres nothing to go forward with these abominations, they are all held up by good games from the past being raped for current consumer sensibilities. The follow ups dont need to be as good or dont even need to exist because there was never a plan beyond exploiting a successful formula.

>>715562817
That's fair
However the 20M number shown in the OP is from last year and the game came out in 2017 so about 7 years after launch
in comparison Crash 4 came out in 2020 and that 5 million quote is again from last year which puts it behind N-Sane in grown, again fantastic for a platformer in this day and ago, but behind par from what you would expect from crash.

>>715558851 (OP)
selling 20 million units of a game will never compare to the revenue garnered from live service titles, and these mascot games don't lend well to a live service format, they tried it with crash to massive failure, the crash audience doesn't want live service, so activision don't want crash

No they don't care that they could just do both and I can't really tell you why they refuse to, I guess it's just the big wigs thinking if it cant make all the money then who cares, they want to spend less money not more, even if it would mean they make more.

>>715563327
And I'm not saying it has to reach the same point as N-Sane since that had a bunch of factors behind it, but if it had the same legs it would of been closer to 10 million by now.

>>715562817
Theres no official tweet about 4 saying it sold 5 million. The 5 million number is pulled from an Activision employee on Linkedin who got fired. If Crash 4 had sold well then Crash 5 would've also been made, instead it was canceled and all we have to go by for its direction, is concept art of Spyro/Crash going on some random adventure to stop Uka-Uka from controlling the multiverse. It was also going to introduce Cortexs family including Nina.

>>715563515
Wasn’t 5 cancelled only a month after 4’s release because it was having trouble selling at first due to only having PlayStation and Xbox releases at the time while simultaneously coming out alongside the Ps5 and Xbox series x while being a last gen title?

>>715558851 (OP)
oy vey, remember the 20 gorillion! (given for free on ps+ and gamepass)

>>715562413
Actually, we don't know.

>>715558851 (OP)
It's not live service.
They tried to make crash into a live service and it failed.
No point in making anything that isn't live service slop like call of duty in the eyes of ms.

>>715558851 (OP)
The fact they put out remakes before new games shows they had no interest in the series.

>>715564848
Yeah but we need to go off what we have and again 5 million is still slightly below expectations so I'm willing to trust on the matter in lieu of other sources.

>>715558851 (OP)
>>715558972
first fucking post best fucking post, naughty dog went from being my favorite developer to abject indifference.
FUCK realism

>>715564126
No idea. We first saw concept art of 5 in 2023 after TFB went independent and Microsoft bought Activision.

Reminder: Activision lost out on a lot of those sales by pawning off publishing duties to Sony and Sega.

>>715566197
Fair enough.

>>715558851 (OP)
Why not post sale numbers for Crash 4 or Crash Team Rumble?

>>715558851 (OP)
Is the game more similar to Crash 1 or 2/3?

>>715558851 (OP)
It's because the same company owns Call of Duty, a game that pulls this numbers not at the end of their life cycle and after a years, Call of Duty is a franchise that dwarfs Crash and Spyro lifetime revenue on a monthly basis.

>>715569452
1 in the sense that makes shitters seethe

>>715569452
It's more similar to Wrath of Cortex but every issue you had with that game is amplified and there's some new fuck ups too like poor use of color and over population giving poor screen readability(a toys for bob special.)

I wish we lived in a world where toys for bob never touched these

>>715559236
It's exactly that

Look at anything that has become successful/popular since the 2010s
It was always some smaller studio doing a fun game and then the big corps jumped into that wagon trying to become the CoD of that new thing

>>715562801
>defending Kotick
Also is he seriously saying that there are just people out there trying to get him? He's retired with a shitload of money
All people talk about is what he did.

>>715571119
Not only is he saying that, he being completely honest. The "labor movement" happened after they announced the merger between Microsoft and Activision-blizzard where the employees did everything to sabotage said merger. Everyone is pissed that Vicarious Visions got gutted and became Blizzard Albany but they won't ask why.

TLDR; It was typical evil Corpo CEO vs typical Commie low talent devs. I hate both as both are responsible for Activision losing its Skylanders/Kids games division. And yes, Toys for Bob were on the side of the commie low talent devs.

>>715558851 (OP)
actishitzard wanted them to turn into the next mario or mickey mouse with multi-billion live-action games. they live-service plans fell through so they put them back in cold sleep

>>715559236
Dota is like that. Valve will crowdfund TI and get 100 Million Dollars and Dota players will wonder why Valve doesn't care more about Dota when the money it makes is like 3% of what Steam prints for them by doing literally nothing.

>>715558851 (OP)
jealousy

>>715571868
>where the employees did everything to sabotage said merger
based desu

>>715571868
>fuck people and their labor disputes, I want my games!
that's not how you get more games

>>715571119
Of course a rich jew ceo thinks everyone beneath him is against him. Its like a virus acting surprised the white blood cells are attacking it.

>>715572297
Unf.

>>715558851 (OP)
Activison having huge expectation on money return
some of thouse sales probably being for less than 5 dollars

>>715572297
Thank god. Nobody sane or dignified wants these faggot ass designs.