Play Trails through Daybreak

>Japanese """"humour""""

it's good for cooming, finished kuro 2 years it was alright, but nothing too groundbreaking

>>715566967

>Playing Ao
>keep waiting for the "good" part
>days and days of filler jobs

>the fucking city nearly gets burned down
>the villains just fuck off
>1 day later you're right back to doing more filler work
holy hell lmao this fucking franchise

>>715567643
Ao is pretty overrated, but the whole series is like that you can't escape the padding. I guess it depends on whether you like the cast and the slow burn of the series, but it's also the reason on why the sales are getting lower with each new game, people are just gettin burned out.

>>715568229
I guess the intrigue was higher with FC and SC, and I genuinely loved 3rd. I thought CS1 dragged but at least I felt satisfied by the end.

Zero was "okay", but Ao so far is agonizingly boring. I genuinely wish I was playing CS2 instead (which I was 20 hours into before the Crossbell games finally got translated)

>>715568521
>I genuinely loved 3rd
Same, I never understood why people always say it's a filler. I personally still think it's the best kiseki game I've played. OST was amazing too and Kevin got so much development in just one short game.
>I thought CS1 dragged but at least I felt satisfied by the end.
Yeah I have a soft spot for CS1 and 2 even though i didn't get as much as enjoyment as with sky. CS3 and 4 were genuinely atrocious and I basically had to force myself to finish them. Reverie was good due to nice pacing and fun combat. Kuro 1 was alright, likeable cast and refreshing protagonist, I guess it just felt refreshing after 5 games in Erebonia so I ended liking Kuro 1 quite a bit. Kuro 2 was ehh... i didn't hate it as i thought i would, but i understand why people think it's the worst game in the series. Didn't play Kai yet.

I wish Towa was playable in Daybreak 2, but I get why she isn't. Daybreak's real time combat makes it hard to implement characters who don't use melee attacks, and I can't really see Towa dodge rolling.

>>715566517 (OP)
>will never have a cute JK girlfriend who wants nothing more but to marry you and bear your children
why live...?

>>715569795
she isn't playable in kai as well and we are already at that point where we're getting too many playable characters

>>715569795
I'm pretty sure it has nothing to do with that, she's just not much of a fighter. Only playable in CS2 for like 10 minutes and Reverie because it's a fanservice fest.

>>715566517 (OP)
>Trails
I did. I started with Sky in 2021 and now I'm so deep into this fucking rabbit hole I can't get out. Now I have to wait 2 years for the sequel of the game that ended on the biggest cliffhanger so far.... fuck you falcom haha

>>715571659
beyond the horizon comes out in like 5 months not 2 years wtf you on about

>>715566517 (OP)
Now show me the gameplay

>>715572672

>>715566517 (OP)
When are they remaking cold steel and condensing it down to 2 games

I checked out after Cold steel 3. The haremshit and a world war where no one dies was too luch for me.

>>715572604
I was talking about kai 2 aka Van's final episode
I've played Horizon/Kai already with a fanpatch

>>715566517 (OP)
Fuck no, I beat Sky 1/2/3 and that is enough for me.

>>715572672
https://files.catbox.moe/mnt0x6.mp4

>>715566517 (OP)
It's funny that they prepped daybreak by saying the entire thing is filler by having the society retire for a few years. Calvard didn't deserve this.

>>715566517 (OP)
Bottom-tier JRPG, which is a bottom-tier genre.

>>715573310
Still waiting for gameplay.

I don't play falcomshit anymore after announcing the remaster of Nordics like a week after western release. Also the gameplay in it was spammy ass.

>>715573337
The first game works because it's an introduction to Calvard and its cast, it also establishes important plot point for the future and funny enough they still didn't get resolved as of Kai. I'd say it was decently paced, but the final chapter was really padded. Kuro 2 is pure filler with some tidbits. I have a really mixed opinion on Kai, but overall I guess it was good and my final opinion on this game will be formed after Kai 2 releases, because it's just half of the game.

>>715573690
But digital foundry said it was one of the best games that year

>>715573404
you can just watch it on youtube, it's basically like metaphor but the action part isn't complete dogshit (at least in kai) and the overall switch between turn-based and action is seamless

>>715566517 (OP)
Too expensive

too woke

too many dlcs

too slow burn

no romance all implied and non canon

>>715573961
Looks like total garbage. Like FFX for retards.

>>715574202
it's nothing like ffx tho

>>715571659
Same. I wouldn't have minded the wait if they were at least releasing soemething of worth this year... But they're not.

>>715574398
Fails is largely a ripoff of FFX and Xenosaga's combat systems. Daybreak is for absolute retards, though. Truly one of the most braindead games of the era.

>>715574496
I'll play sky remake, but I feel like I won't be able to fully enjoy it due to me constantly comparing the changes to the original, but the OG seiyuu replacement is probably my biggest problem so far.

>>715566517 (OP)
Does this and it's sequel have bikinis?

>>715574961
yeah, the first game needs a dlc, but in the 2nd game you can actually unlock them in-game

>>715566517 (OP)
I will eventually, I'm still on CS3 currently. Its kino so far

>>715569391
Best character. Too bad he'll never get another game.

sorry, dropped the series after the abomination of sen 4. what garbage. this series had potential.

>>715575464
He's a supporting protagonist in Kai together with Rean. If anything the church actually got a lot of relevance in the last game and we might visit Arteria at one point.

>>715575789
I've only played up to CS4; Might have to give them a try.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QD7StpwpH1A

>>715576195
well you're not in a hurry, especially after the cliffhanger that was kai

This franchise needs like 3 leadership changes to be fantastic. I do not understand how they put so much effort into the setting and world building, just for the fucking dialogue and main story plots to be so fucking bad.
>Show up to the main mission.
>Every character they've ever written is also there.
>"Not so fast! It is I, Derrick: the Dragon's Nutsack!" x 20
>Nobody dies in the bossfight. Again.
>"We were just stopping by to say hello! WILL YOU OVERCOME YOUR DESTINY, ASHEN CAVIAR?!"

>Repeat this for 8 fucking games until your player base kills itself.

>>715577875
Would require them tackling some big issues which is 1. They dont know how to end this series, and its still profittable so way would you? And since they wont do so you run into the growing 2nd issue which is they have too many fucking characters, you were starting to run into this slightly with zero/ao but it gets cranked up to 11 with CS1-4.

They also just cant commit to any stakes in getting rid of characters unless its a truly evil person and even then they could just become good in the end anyway, because hey maybe we'll need them later for a "real" climax.

It's really just become spinning the wheel; the franchise and its really a shame since it started on a pretty solid foundation

>>715578418
in retrospect weissman really got done dirty. everyone else is simply tragically misunderstood

>>715577875
yeah but I'm easily entertained so all I want is more pole dancing and for van to become a harem master

>>715578418
Why are some of you people so desperate for them to end the series when the whole appeal is how long running it is, and they've done usually one Sept-Terrion per arc and we've known how many there are from the start? Would you really rather they rush to an ending for literally no reason?

>>715577875
I think Kondo mentioned they have shit ton of writers, so they come up with the kiseki formula to make sure every writer knows what to write in certain scenes. Japs call it kiseki syntax and Kondo is actually aware of this problem, one of falcom's shareholder brought this topic to Kondo and he said he'll talk to his writing team about it haha.

>>715579143
because they dont actually know what they want

>>715578547
Joachim? Dantes? Gardenmaster?

>>715579143
they themselves are rushing to shit it out due to declining sales. never recovered from cold steel. I think fans would like to see everything tied together succinctly but that is a pipe dream.

>>715579272
Kondo saying there's only one more arc after this doesn't mean they're "rushing" it, considering we don't know how many games each arc is and they've changed their minds on that constantly. Not to mention they still put out filler games like Daybreak 2, I don't think they're in any real rush to end.

>>715579272
I don't think falcom are THAT desperate to finish the series. Kondo said he's not sure they'll be able to finish kiseki by 2030. While the sales aren't as impressive compared to Cold steel days, they still make a decent amount of money from old fans and selling merch. After Calvard ends we'll enter the final arc and who know how many games it'll take to finish.

>>715577875
Trails is the most frustrating series I think i've ever been into. For every one thing it does really well, it does something that is just completely fucking terrible in tandem. It's a series of such extreme peaks and valleys. It's juuuust interesting enough to keep you wanting more but at times it gets so fucking bad that you kind of regret ever getting into it in the first place. Theres nothing else like it but I think that being a fan of this series is some kind of emotional torture.

I was so hyped to finally play in Calvard, but I never touched the new games because Cold Steel killed all my enjoyment for the series.

I'll play the TitS remake when it comes out because the last scenes are too fucking kino, but I don't have the energy to keep going afterwards.

>>715579143
Because the longer you drag out a series with a growing cast of characters/plotlines the more of a mess it becomes trying to tie any of this stuff together in a satisfying way, along with resolutions to characters. If they were self-contained stories that would be one thing but they all tie into this grand narrative and that's been getting more and more ridiculous every game.

>>715579272
Sales would need to fall drastically to consider dropping trails, especially since falcom isnt doing much else. They're also comparatively cheap games to make so they are generally solid successes even post CS decline

>>715580437
Calvard had a nice start but it ran into the same problems as CS if not worse. The cast is enjoyable enough to keep me going, but waiting for the sequels has been a torture. I wonder how newfags will reacts to Sky FC remake ending, then again I doubt sky remake will gather that much attention with tourists.

>>715580604
i had so much hope for calvard because i thought that falcom would learn from the mistakes they made with cold steel but then they just went and remade every single mistake again

>>715566517 (OP)
best girl

>>715581115
Kai really made me like her

>>715577875
>>715579146
>dialogue/syntax got bad
How when in the Sky games it was genuinely one of the best things about Kiseki and miles ahead most other JRPGs? Was that just XSEED’s doing and the dialogue was always bad back in the original Japanese?

>>715581195
I never really hated her, but she was kinda bland. It's insane how falcom managed to make her the best girl in just one game. I genuinely didn't expect falcom to write such a good confession scene considering falcom's track record with romance post sky arc.

>>715579146
That's the biggest problem with Trails imo is that Falcom has a constant revolving door of writers for every game so they have to make everything so uniform to compensate. It's why every game just kinda feels the same after a while and they don't really do a lot of new things. Personally I also think that the longer the series went on the less the worldbuilding really felt like it had any cohesion and it's impossible to when theres so many cooks in the kitchen.

>>715573310
What kamen rider game is this?

>>715581349
I didn't hate her either but she didn't really leave an impression for most of Kuro 1 or 2. She's a lot more forward about everything in Kai which makes sense since she knows shes on borrowed time and it makes her a lot more interesting. Hopefully they retain that in Kai 2 cause i'd hate if she just went back to being generic shy heroine girl.

>>715573310
what game

I’ve only finished FC-SC and played a bit of the 3rd and CS1 before I got distracted by other games, I’ve somewhat kept up with the series and spoiled myself though. From what I’ve seen of the overall plot it looks like Kiseki might be heading in a Star Ocean 3 “it was all just a simulation” direction? Can someone confirm if this is true or not? I don’t want to waste my time on the rest of the series if so, should I just wait till the entire series is finished before going any further just to be safe?

>>715581447
Falcom seems to be obsessed with their word count and considering their yearly release schedule and small team it's nosurprise their writing never got better. I do think that Kuro 1 had less annoying shit in it (like test your resolve, that won't be necessary etc), but not by much and Kai brings that shit back.

Finally finished CSIV yesterday, and that was probably the hardest I've forced myself to finish a game. Feels like you can really only enjoy these games if you give a shit about the main characters because after 4 games, I just did not care about 90% of Class VII and Nu Class VII somehow managed to be even worse.

>>715581769
Nothing in the series is a "simulation" the people who keep repeating that shit are either trolling or just genuinely retarded and didn't understand the plot of the newer games.

>>715581641
Kai no Kiseki

>>715581978
Did appealing to this braindead monkey make your dick leak in excitement?

>>715581830
once i got to that scene in cs4 where everybody he knows in the entire country telepathically sends rean their power of friendship any ability to take the games plot seriously vanished

Trails has a similar fate as the Persona series, both went down hill with their third game/arc. Both the first two arcs in Trails were good and so were the first 2 Persona games, but then it just starts going downhill. Hell just like with Persona 3 Trails started doing that school shit with Cold Steel. Not to mention that both games also now always have the MC and party members babbling on about bonds and the power of friendship.

win in the battle, lose in the cutscene: the series

>>715582090
Build is based

>>715582120
falcom was always chasing trends so it's no surprise, i guess only sky arc was made out of passion, but it even sky rehashes a lot from the gagharv trilogy
kiseki is a long running series, some even say it's the longest series with the world and narrative connectivity in vidya so in a sense i understand that writing such a long series can be draining plus falcom probably planned up until CS2 then we started to get bunch of retcons

>>715581801
>their writing never got better
Their writing was genuinely good during the Sky games though, what happened? Or was it all just an illusion by XSEED?

>>715566517 (OP)
Worst Trails. What the fuck were they thinking?

>>715582120
>Not to mention that both games also now always have the MC and party members babbling on about bonds and the power of friendship.
That’s all JRPGs though.

>>715582504
Sky was a passion project made by people who were fans of the Gagharv trilogy. The director of the game joined Falcom because he loved White Witch so much. Crossbell onwards is when they just started following every market trend (this is even confirmed in interviews there was a huge internal staff argument over the direction of Crossbell) and it worked out for them for a while but it's all come crashing down for them now. Trend chasing might be effective for one off games but if you want people to play what might end up being 20 games with a continuous story then it needs to feel cohesive. Instead each arc completely shifts tone from the last one and feels like it takes place 50 years later.

>>715582621
Kiseki always had the same problem with its formula
>Or was it all just an illusion by XSEED?
I'd say yes, xseed made a lot of librites to the script and it's pretty easy to notice if you play with EVO voice patch. Just listen to how much character talks and how much more text there's in the textbox
Frankly I still think sky is the best arc simply because it had a good set-up and great payoff and falcom managed to do it in just 2 games. I think sky benefits from its simplicity and focus on 2 main characters. Also incredible OST, RIP Wataru Ishibashi.

>>715582701
I liked it

>>715582835
Who has been a worse asset to their franchise? Kondo with Trails or Baba with Tales?

>>715582835
>Instead each arc completely shifts tone from the last one and feels like it takes place 50 years later.
Would have been interesting if they made the gaps between each arc something like 10-20 years instead of 1-2 years. It'd make the tech advancements feel more reasonable and would force them to wrap most things up within their respective arc instead of dragging things out just for a weak payoff several games later.
Though a significant downside would be seeing all the cute girls from previous arcs turn into hags...

>>715582621
It's just the risk you run with continuously running a series without a solid plan at the core, things get sloppy over time and if you dont course correct early it can spiral into a shitshow.
And XSeed added some "liveliness" to the sky script for better or worse, will say it did end up giving the cast more character at least.

>>715583321
Pretty sure baba has tanked everything hes touched in recent yrs, kondos got some shit ideas but the games are cheap to make so unless its a disaster they still make money

>>715582835
To be fair Kai does explain why Calvard is so technologically advanced compared to every other country, but I agree that the shift of technology from Sky to Zero was prominent. But I also kinda like that every arc feels unique in its settings, orbments and combat mechanics. At least falcom actually puts an effort to refresh things with each new arc. But then you'll get bunch of asset reuses which I honestly don't mind considering the speed falcom releases these games.

>>715582504
>kiseki is a long running series, some even say it's the longest series with the world and narrative connectivity in vidya
Closest one I can think of for JRPGs would be Rance, which is funny since that series was the opposite problem of Kiseki. Rance games started out bad and the final game ends up being the best in the series that gives the series a satisfying conclusion, while Kiseki starts off amazing and has been going downhill in quality the longer the series continues. Hopefully Falcom gets their shit together for whenever they make the final Trails game, since having the finale be an unsatisfying would make the time invested in this series feel like a waste

>>715575119
I own both with all DLC, good to know

>>715567226
Which game?

>>715583781
thats one of my biggest worries that they just completely blow it at the end and make everyone regret that they hung on this long but i think falcom just kinda look at these games as shovelware so it feels like its inevitable

>>715583781
I think falcom's yearly release policy and being a publicly traded company are the reason why falcom never really took off, but it's also the reason why they're still alive to this day because they're simply keep making games and never stop. If falcom actually had more time to develop games then the end product might have been better. It's also the first time since Sky FC falcom delayed the sequel for 2 years after such a huge cliffhanger, so I hope that extra year will help them at least to polish the script for Kai 2.

>>715582835
>Sky was a passion project made by people who were fans of the Gagharv trilogy. The director of the game joined Falcom because he loved White Witch so much. Crossbell onwards is when they just started following every market trend (this is even confirmed in interviews there was a huge internal staff argument over the direction of Crossbell)
Crossbell is better than Sky though…

>>715584186
Sky 2nd trumps Crossbell.

>>715584186
Shits the bed at the end and unlike sky its finale is something of a cliffhanger that doesnt get truly paid off til 5 games later.

>>715583830
it's funny how falcom lets you unlock previous dlc costumes for free in in-game gacha in sequels, you'll still have to buy new dlc costumes, but these bunny costumes will be an unlockables in Kai 2

>>715584186
crossbells cast is kinda bland, the villains are all terrible and azures final dungeon just shits the bed hard and it all ends abruptly with "please play cold steel to find out what happened"

>>715584318
>>715584326
>For years before Crossbell was localized and was Japan exclusive only, /v/ was sucking off it’s dick as “the pinnacle of the series” and 10 times better than Sky
>Finally localized and now “Sky was always better”
Curious…

>>715584598
Happens with every game that was JP only for years. They get overhyped.

>>715584649
Overhyped or is it just an excuse to dab and mock EOPs?

>>715584598
>was Japan exclusive only,
This is the problem. But now that it's accessible to everyone opinions tend to change.

>>715584598
It left the JP only/fansub club. Though ill still say i prefer crossbell as a whole to sky, the last 3rd of ao is shit and the fact its not fully resolved til hajimari is bullshit

>>715582835
>Crossbell onwards is when they just started following every market trend (this is even confirmed in interviews there was a huge internal staff argument over the direction of Crossbell)
Link/Sauce for these interviews?

>>715584417
I don't mine paying extra for fanservice, I do mind when theres no fanservice, they can exploit my wallet as long as eyes and dick are pleased

>>715585034
haha

>>715566517 (OP)
Kuro 2 and Kai just killed my enthusiasm for this series.

>>715566517 (OP)

>>715585228
>Kuro 2 and Kai just killed my enthusiasm for this series.
Not Cold Steel? (especially 4)

>>715585718
At least back then you could still cope and think that the next arc would be better. Can't do that anymore.

>>715585718
nta but I liked the school theme of Cold Steel and 3 has a special place in my heart. 4 was great in it's own right as well considering that it's the end of an arc. Calvard was just straight up dogshit.

>>715585942
CS4 is terrible you're insane

>>715585792
The way Kai ended makes me think the next game could be good I know it won't be good but still

>>715582504
>>715583781
>Kiseki is the only long-running, interconnected series
Bros, your Xeno? Which Falcom has admitted to ripping off from ironically enough.

Also the Xeno series’s overarching story starting from Xenogears and Perfect Works has always effortlessly mogged Kiseki’s, yes even Sky, and it’s not even particularly close! Kiseki has always been generic cliche JRPGslop of the highest order.

>>715586224
takahashi is a hack whos just been remaking xenogears for 30 years

>>715586091
This. CS3 and 4 almost killed my enthusiasm for the series, i even had to take huge breaks from playing it which never happened to me with the previous games. Reverie and especially Kuro were a huge improvements for me.

>>715566517 (OP)
I will play my loli-girlfriend's cunny. BRB

>>715586314
Takahashi also worked at falcom haha...

>>715586479
Haha....

>>715586479
thats where he learned how to rehash

>>715586410
hmmm based

>>715586091
Nah. CS4 was a valid conclusion for that arc.

>>715586564
CS4 undid everything interesting from CS3 and has some of the most retarded writing i've ever seen in any fiction.

>>715586479
Now Kondo needs to learn a thing or two from Takahashi

>>715586637
>the most retarded writing i've ever seen in any fiction.
Then you haven't seen nor played that much fiction.

>>715583321
Kondo is worse, because at least Bamco eventually got rid of Baba and Tales recovered with Berseria and Arise.

>>715586693
You clearly haven't if you think CS4 is good lmao.

>>715586637
>the most retarded writing i've ever seen in any fiction.
No, simply because FE Fates and Tales of Graces exist.

>>715586756
Read my posts again instead of being a retard trying to form his own conclusions.

>>715586314
haha...

>>715586696
isnt tales kind of limbo currently because what good arise did was immediately wasted funding a new tales gacha that only used arise characters that unsurprisingly flopped, and all they do now is remasters?

>>715586809
>>715586796
What part of "some of" do you not understand? CS4 is easily as retarded as Fates is lmao.

>>715566517 (OP)
Falcom needs to bring back harem and as much fanservice as they can with Kai 2.
My nigga Van also needs to take his shit together and bang his girls already and cuck that faggot Albert.

>>715566517 (OP)
dont play it, worst cast of characters

>>715566517 (OP)
play it, best cast of characters

>>715585182
She needs to be a permanent party member in a game, last game I played was Reverie, don't know nothing about Daybreak

>>715586926
All the trails games suck thoughbeit.

>>715588151
She's a guest character in Daybreak and she's also kinda shit in combat compared to reverie. At least you can coom to her ass and tits, strangely she never received any dlc costumes so far despite japanese fans begging for bunny costumes for her and Jolda.

>>715588247
>All the trails games suck
Not Sky

>>715584417
I'm still disappointed that a bunch of the swimsuits in kuro were recycled from sen 4.

>>715588491
>She's a guest character in Daybreak and she's also kinda shit in combat compared to reverie
ALL of the returning characters are awful in Daybreak.
>Rixia is playable for all of two seconds in D1, not in D2 at all
>Fie can't even dodge tank, which was her big gameplay niche in Cold Steel
>Zin has tiny AOEs, whereas he was basically the only character in Sky with a decent AOE craft
I guess Renne was treated decently, but it's hard to mess up a character who is mainly just a glass cannon mage.

MY FUARKING HEROES
...and Elie

>>715566517 (OP)
I have. And I enjoyed it.

When does it get good?

>writing sucks
>gameplay sucks
>pacing sucks
>graphics suck
>BUT MUH POORLY-MODELED ANEEM TITTIES
Lol, Falcomfags are a lost cause.

>>715590208
Genuinely asking, what current day modern JRPG is any better though?

>>715590784
is this the part where a non-Falcom game is mentioned and you post your default ridicule? Haha...

>>715590784
e33

>>715592018
>e33
Not a true JRPG, try again.

>>715590784
Konoha's game.

>>715594057
E33 is a partial JRPG then?

I have a confession to make, I’ve NEVER found the NPC dialogue in this series impressive, it’s just discount Lunar and Grandia. Why the fuck should I care about some faceless NPC’s “constantly changing dialogue” if they won’t even allow our party to converse and talk back like the former two series did?

>>715594652
It's a French RPG in the same sense that Trails is now and Indian and Chinese game.

How is the azure port on switch 1
Kinda wanna replay in bed.
Last time I played was the flame patch on PC

>>715596607
its fine its only the playstation versions that are ass

>>715566517 (OP)
why this shit so expensive. tell them to put it on a deep sale and I'll think about it.

>>715597639
it's niche japshit 50% is the most you'll ever get and not for 5 years from now

>>715588247
cope and seethe, zoomer. Sky and Zero/Ao are still top-tier JRPG kino. Not my fault your attention span disintegrates the moment a textbox doesn't have a waifu moaning in it. Go back to gacha hell.

>>715597837
Why are you posers constantly latching Zero to sky when zero is boring as fuck and the harem shut ruins interactions even more than CS games?

I want to finish TS first but they're so long

>>715598941
>the harem shut ruins interactions even more than CS games?
Why more than CS?

I was so looking forward to kai bros...

>>715566967
God. This cliche is so annoying.

>>715566517 (OP)

I refuse to play until they stop using hypnotism, brainwashing, mind controlling, etc as a plot.

>>715600784
Yes, with cs you just laugh at how bad it is, with Zero you get triggered since they obviously don't want to commit to any relationship, meanwhile Sky had Estelle and Joshua feelings as the central plot while Crossbell refused to at least give us a love triangle with Elie and Rixia

>>715603050
haha............

>>715603050
you will play yet another brain-washing mask episode and you will like it

>>715597639
They did have a discount on summer sale, but NISA are greedy fucks.

>>715603062
Lloyd is for Wazy

>>715603702
NOT SO FAST!

>trails sky remake
>Rean is remake Aerith and actually remembers EVERYTHING
HAHA...

>>715606952
love this dumb bitch

>>715606952

>>715607194
best girl

>>715603062
>Crossbell refused to at least give us a love triangle with Elie and Rixia
Well you'll get a canonical love triangle with Van x Elaine x Agnes which is actually gets pushed in the main story. But falcom really wants to milk it till the last game, plus there're other harem teasings with Renne and Shizuna so who knows haha..

>>715606672
What are the chances the Sky remake will be another 7R type of “remake?”

Hey can someone give me a rundown on this rean guy? He seems kinda cool but i dunno

>>715610540
the remake is supposed to introduce the first arc of the series to newfags since its currently only available on pc and to serve as a definitive entry point so it would be counterproductive to make it a 7R style sequel but you never know with falcom

>>715610540
extremely low, Kondo wants newfags so introducing the time jannies to remake will only make everyone confused, but i do expect falcom adding bunch of retcons from later games and mb some name/event drops for the future well

>>715610835
>but i do expect falcom adding bunch of retcons from later games
I'm fully expecting Franz, the curse and Ash to be established in the remakes, maybe even tone down Osborne a little bit. These moments are probably the biggest retcons introduced in CS3/4.

>>715610780
>Nips
>Not being retarded
Also they are still making it hard for newfags since they still need more games. It would have been better to combine fc and SC as one game as well as zero and ao later

>>715611089
theyre already adding new side quests that werent in the original so theyll definitely add references to things that were retconned later

I played through the prologue and thought the story and combat was pretty fun desu. The story and combat alone already felt better than ToCS. Sadly I sold my PS5 for an XSX, so I can't play it except on PC now.

The third game is coming to NA in January 2026, and I barely have even started the first one. I'm scared my PC won't run it very well, like my PC is getting on in years. I don't have the money to get a newer one with a better GPU and CPU. I got a Ryzen 3700x and a 2060 Super I mean...I'm sure it's fine as the games aren't super detailed visually. I played ToCS 1-3 on my PC, and I remember it ran perfectly, so I can probably play them on Steam. I also heard the games are on Nintendo Switch and the third game is getting a Switch 2 version. I figured they don't run at 60 FPS on Switch, or do they? Probably doesn't matter since I have a PC and might as well just play it on Steam for optimal satisfaction.

>>715611254
the games run like total shit on switch and look awful your pc should easily be able to handle them even the newest games arent demanding

>>715611089
>I'm fully expecting Franz, the curse and Ash to be established in the remakes
yeah, Ash especially needs to be established early because of how shoehorned he felt in CS3/4 as another Hamel survivor
mb there'll be more hints about the time sept-terrion in Aureole but it'll have to wait for sky SC remake and if they'll remake sky 3rd i also expect Van cameo at the end credits where he meets Renne

>>715589830
You're literally in the prologue, retard. You gotta give time to build. It got fun for me right after the prologue. I was hooked on the story and combat. If you aren't feeling by the end of chapter 1 or 2 then it probably isn't for you.

>>715611409
I don't get how they made Van this guy that knows everybody but never once was hinted prior to his game lmfao. I'd of thought his character was planned out ages but guess not.

>>715611254
My gtx 970 can still run these games with ease on high settings with 2x msaa 1080p with 60fps. Durante pc ports are extremely good with bunch of setting options, he recently added TAA and DLLA/S options to Daybreak 2 too

>>715611353
Kek, I figured as much. PC is obviously the way to go since I don't have my PS5 anymore.

>>715611667
Deck is just perfect

>>715611637
This series isn't really planned out. If you ever replay it you'll notice how shockingly little foreshadowing there actually is and it only got worse with each arc. They literally had 0 idea what Calvard looked like even when they were finishing up Cold Steel 4.

>>715611637
My guess they wanted an experienced guy as the protagonist after having teens who learn about themselves and the world around them (aside from Kevin and Rufus but they're gaiden protags). I think Van works well for the oldfags who already know about every character and event. I do agree that Van is a retcon especially when it comes to Renne. But
considering the time loop setting and Bergard hinting that 5 demon lords appeared out of nowhere during the great collapse, falcom can actually wiggle their way out by establishing that Van never existed in the all the 19998 previous loops and was added to Zemuria in 19999 loop together with other demon lords.

>>715611720
I don't have a Steam Deck and have no plans or desire to buy one. I barely played my Switch and it was just an expensive paperweight. It's why I opted not to buy the Switch 2 because I had a feeling I'd never touch it.

Handheld gaming just doesn't appeal to me anymore I suppose? Not since the days of the PSP, DS, and Gameboy. I don't know if I got older/jaded, or handheld gaming just became garbage. The devices are too heavy/big and hurt my hands. The older handheld gaming devices weren't as big and felt way lighter. I just find it cumbersome to game on them, at least for long periods of time.

Of course, that problem is eliminated if you play it in docked mode hooked up to the TV with a controller. The other problem is that most Switch games were boring to me. I liked Astral Chain and that was about it. There is a lot of stuff on Switch that you can play on PC and consoles, and unless you're REALLY into first party Nintendo games like Kirby, Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Donkey Kong, Fire Emblem, etc., then there is no reason to really get a Switch 2. Switch 2 has only two exclusives currently and that's Mario Kart: World and DANKEY KANG BANANA RAMA or whatever. I don't dislike Nintendo, but over the years I've learned that I find Mario games boring and same for Zelda games. I like Fire Emblem, Metroid, and Xenoblade.

>>715611637
I think the games were planned all the way to the civil war in CS2, but then Kondo ran out of ideas so he just started spitballing and see what stuck.

>>715611637
They've said before that the way they plan the stories is basically like "we know the broad strokes but the details will be written when development of the game begins".
So for example, they knew from the start how the conclusion of the erebonian arc would be, but not all the characters involved or every individual event.

The specifics are adapted based on various factors, like different angles they want to cover as they develop the series, fan response, market tendencies, etc.

>>715612201
There were mentions of Crossbell and things like Emperor Dreichels and the War of the Lions as early as SC so it's clear that early on they at least tried to plan what the future of the series would be but yeah all of that completely stopped after CS2. CS3 onwards never has this level of detail about things that might be relevant later because by that point they were just writing each game as they came along and weren't putting any thought into the future. This is why I think so much of Calvard just feels like an asspull because they had so many opportunities to mention things during CS3/4/Reverie but just didn't.

>>715603062
>while Crossbell refused to at least give us a love triangle with Elie and Rixia
Good. They should instead give us a love triangle with Tio and KeA

>>715612201
>I think the games were planned all the way to the civil war in CS2
Crossbell wasn’t planned though, they explicitly said so.

>>715613016
crossbell's story definitely was planned from the start. what changed was to dedicate its own arc for it instead of just being background events for the erebonia arc like the northern war or jurai's invasion.

(laughs)

>>715613309
The Sky boomer fears the Cold Steel chad

>>715613438
>haha rean chad xD
why are reanfags just perpetually stuck in 2018 this shit stopped being funny years ago

>>715613309
Our harem chad cant stop winning

>>715566517 (OP)
>enemy tank

>>715613757
It's okay when Cold Steel did it.

Post her please.

>>715613747
Because it makes you perpetually mad

>>715613747
>he wants the quick Reandown
Haha, guess it's time to not hold back... >orphaned and adopted into a Noble family >final student of a legendary swordsman >secret son of the mysterious big bad who's actually good >such a chad that he not only adds every woman to his ever-expanding harem but he makes all the men wet too >his sister and her friend (who is the royal princess)'s vaginas becomes waterfalls at the sheer mention of his name >chosen to pilot an ancient super mecha >masters and can fully control his *psh nothin personell kid" demonic powers >wields a tachi (a better version of a katana) and can teleport behind you >beats one of the most powerful swordsmen in history that's hyped up in trails in the sky >grows up to become a teacher, can romances his underage students >just saying "haha" makes everybody drop their pants for him >uses the power of friendship to defeat the true antagonist interdimensional hatred curse that appears at the last second >even the protagonists of previous games hype him up >becomes a national hero >is technically royalty, his biological father is the reincarnation of an ancient Emperor >breaks up budding romances between other characters that were developing in the third game because everybody sucks his dick in the fourth game >can marry any girl of his choosing, will impregnate them with his chad thundercock >kills himself in a noble self sacrifice with his fujobait boyfriend to break a curse but not really because the even bigger bigger villains rewrite the timeline to get the true ending >becomes one of the strongest characters on the continent >gets raped by a girl in a cave >has the option to cuck Estelle away from Joshua, Tita away from Agate, Tio away from Lloyd, etc. >tops Japanese official popularity polls, brought his franchise to the spotlight, >made it so that the majority of the franchise's games are about him >is the writer's favorite character, writer goes on to call the previous protagonists embarrassing

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>>715566517 (OP)
not so fast. first you must play trails 1 2 3 then zero and azure then 4 more games of cold steel.
this is mandatory

>>715601327
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsCYlnvy0S8

Kek this is actually not edited

Ugh abyssal darkness consume me

>>715613839
goddamn shame that nodu didnt make a proper sex animation

>>715566517 (OP)
Love this cute little slut

Sell on me this game anons, I liked Wizardry, hated Stella glow. Would I like this game?

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>>715613839

>>715615329
play dinosaur resurrection

>>715566517 (OP)

>>715615410
Wtf, is this game made in Koikatsu?

>>715616769
no, but it's made with a budget of 2 cups of ramen
post AA jrpgs with better looking models

>>715581585
This is why Rixia is Lloyd's plapsow while Judith will only ever be Van's friend.

>>715614272
Damn Leon is a zesty faggot

>>715617697
They can be friends with benefits

>>715618261
I wish...
Judith gives me "hot cousin that I'd definitely bang given the chance" vibes.

So we can say good bye to any hope of us getting simultaneous next Trails release with Japan since they postponed Kuro 3 release to next year?

Lets be honest, nips can't write decent stories to save their lives.

>>715618505
the reason why sky remake will have a simultaneous release is because falcom sent the script to gungho very early, with kai 2 falcom will work on the script and make changes till the game goes gold so it's practically impossible to send NISA jp script early, but i do think we won't have to wait 2-3 years for the release, it'll probably take a year at most to release in the west

>>715618408
yeah, i doubt there'll be judith romance in kai 2
it all boils down to agnes vs elaine and i guess shizuna has a fare chance due to her popularity and falcom kinda pushing her in the connect events for van

>>715566517 (OP)
I haven't bothered with Trails ever since I got to CS and it became embarrassing 2010 anime battle harem slop, and it looks like it hasn't changed since.

>>715619790
>and it looks like it hasn't changed since.
it did change to an extent at least the first kuro game which is the reason why csfags dislike it

>>715618878
>falcom will work on the script and make changes till the game goes gold so it's practically impossible to send NISA jp script early

that's how most studios do it today and you can still have simultaneous releases with the proper workflow. the studio sends the early versions of the script to the translators and they begin working on that. then, as the writers make revisions and changes, they send those again to the translators which keeps going throughout development. so basically they're working of the translation at roughly the same time as the writers are working on the script. because otherwise, like you said, it's impossible to translate the whole thing in such a short amount of time even if you were lazy as fuck and decided MTL was good enough.

i'm not entirely sure but i believe this is what falcom and nisa are trying to do for kai 2 so that even if it's not completely simultaneous, that the delay is minimal.

There is something off about these Falcom games, specially the most recent ones. Like there is a lack of "soul" in them, as if they weren't made by humans.

>>715620308
Aside from formulaic and bogged script falcom games are still fun. I do think that OST got worse in recent years, since falcom are cheapening on the music a lot. Falcom OST was always consistent in its quality, but starting with CS3 we started to get more Bingus and less Unisuga/Jindo/Sonoda + falcom's sound director is a clown who doesn't care about the context.

>>715620308
You're just dumb, Kiseki is peak soul. It just has a cheap look sometimes due to being a smaller studio.

Im still getting through sky 2

>>715621095
unisuga no longer making music is one of the biggest crimes that falcom could possibly do. imagine having one of the greatest game composers of all time and being like "you are now the webmaster, cheers fuck you"

captcha: mr kys

>>715621670
I just wish they'd improve ost and direction

>>715622262
Koguchi is fine, but I miss Unisuga especially for his boss themes. Falcom actually used his old unused track for kai final boss battle and it was soo good.

>>715622449
yeah not that i have a problem with the current composers. even singa can make good shit sometimes if you ask me but no one beats unisuga, he's just on another level.

Is Kuro 2 as bad as everyone says?

>>715623609
No not really, it's retarded but in a fun kind of way. But I understand why people think it's the worst kiseki game, mb because of my low expectations I enjoyed it more than I thought I would. The writing is bad especially in act 3, but it was so ridiculously retarded that it ended up fun, the game literally throws at you the most retarded dead ends and then gives you non stop boss fights with tanks, mechas and aircrafts.

How grindy is it? Had to quit my last gacha RPG because the grind was so bad, don't have time to level up characters and equipment anymore

>>715625161
if you skip marchen garten then it's not that grindy, marchen is basically a half-assed version of reverie corridor but it's optional

>>715625161
average jrpg grind i guess? If you arent on the highest difficulty you can pretty smoothly go through the games and if you figure out what way the system is broken in this arc then youll breeze through it np

>>715625161
Depends on the game, but generally they are not that grindy and you don't have any random encounters.

>>715621095
>Falcom OST was always consistent in its quality,
I always thought they were mid.
Most games only had maybe 2 tracks I'd go back and listen to.
Square Enix and Atlus mog them in general in regards to this

I enjoyed Cold steel 1 muuuuch more that Trails 1... trails 1 was hot GARGABE until the very last 2 hours with *that* twist, that was super kino.
Trails 2 was overall great and i liked it a bit more than Cold steel 1.
Trails 3 is extreeeeemely fucking overrated holy shit.
Anyway im at the early parts of CS2 right now, hopefully it's as good as CS1.

>>715566517 (OP)
Van needs to fuck and tame this slut

>>715626515
I liked wataru ishibashi era which is 2000-2006.

I was already tired of the writing by the time I got to the end of SC. At least Ys games are over with quickly.

>>715566517 (OP)
Already have. I'm currently burnt out playing Daybreak 2 and I haven't touched the game in months.

>>715628395
Funny you say that because ys started getting kisekified with celceta. Ys x unironically had an atrocious pacing in the first 10-20 hours.

>>715628623
I finished kuro 2 in 4 weeks or so compared to like a week for kuro 1.
Kuro 1 was honestly so enjoyable to me I literally couldn't stop playing, kuro 2 on the other hand was testing my patience, the final boss fight was kino thoughbeit.