Yeah, i'm thinking it was actually SOVL

SOVL

Zelda 2 is as underappreciated as it is undercooked. I kinda want Nintendo to try their hand at remaking and expanding it Samus Returns style, not gonna lie. They probably won't though.

>>715569836
That was something I thought about too, how a remake of Zelda 2 would be much better than those of Link's Awakening, or the Oracle Zeldas, ect
I would really wish for them to make it a 3D open world game, all of the champion abilities were inspired by spells from Zelda 2

>>715569836
>They probably won't
Never say never. Even the niche Famicom Detective Club series got remade and also got a new game in the series.

>>715569836
It absolutely deserved its shit reputation and no amount of cooking would have helped because the tediousness and jank was by design.

>>715569836
It's fine the way it is and I'm glad they didn't go back and ruin it

>>715571553
I would sooner play the LiA fangame than touch another Ubisoft Zelda ever again, so it can't be all that undercooked.

est

I really enjoyed the game
I do think it was a bit too cryptic here and there, I had to look up how to advance once or twice at least.
And I simply didn't like how short the swort hitbox is. Feels like you are fighting with a knife.

>>715572443
obviously if your benchmark is nu zelda I can see why you'd think adventure of link isn't so bad.

>>715569836
I'd like a new game where you have items to use as sub-weapons as well as spells.

>>715573050
Why the fuck are you being rude to me, bitch?

>>715569365 (OP)
I wish there had been more room to do "builds." As it is you always end up at 8/8/8 by the end of the game, with the only real difference being how you manipulate your end of palace level ups on the way there

>>715569365 (OP)
good example of why soul doesn't automatically mean good

I wish we had a modern game with the same art style and especially color pallette. I feel modern games are afraid to use simple but well detailed scenery and bold colors that NES games used.

>>715580314
nes color palette was horrible though

>>715569365 (OP)
This and castlevania 2 are very overhated by people who have never played an actual bad game in their life

>>715581417
Simon's Quest was fucked by the shitty translation

>>715581298
I like it. It really didn't hold back on what type of color it wanted to be, giving a very sharp contrast. And well sprites were often more simple geometry, they were usually made quite crisp to give a them more depth. Modern games, especially new Zelda by contrast, uses softer shapes and especially softer textures, with more muted colord.

>>715572546
>Feels like you are fighting with a knife
This is true, but you do get used to it after a while and you do also get a lot of spells to help you out.
I guess I wouldn't be against a new sword about halfway in though, if only because it's a nice way to provide a progress indicator.

>>715581417
Castlevania 2 is bad. Far from the worst of what the era has to offer, but still bad. It functions fine. But the combat is bad, the level design is bad, the enemies are bad, and the exploration is bad. It's a very ambitious game for its time, and probably is responsible for the existence of the later metroidvania games. It's not absolutely ireedeemable, but it's definitely not good compared to CV 1 or 3, or games like Faxanadu.
Zelda 2 is good though. The only issue it has is people being filtered by its difficulty which isn't even that high. And yeah, the sword feeling so short is a bit lame like others have said, but you can get used to that.

>>715581519
CV2 is also just boring though. It looks and sounds and feels pretty nice, but the shit you actually do in the game is fucking boring.
There is no challenge other than parsing the nonsense spouted by NPCs and some tricky jumps in the mansions, but the punishment for dying is nothing, so there is never any tension.
Bosses are also a joke, even without abusing sub-weapons. It's like they weren't programmed correctly and only had half their arsenal available.
Game is boring. But, just like with Zelda 2, I really appreciate that they tried something different and a lot of the elements found in CV2 and Zelda 2 alike carried over into more refined sequels, so it wasn't a waste.

>>715581921
people weren't filtered by its difficulty but tediousness

>>715583074
No, people were definitely filtered by its difficult. As in, it was difficult to make it through the game, which is hard.

>>715583074
The only part of Zelda 2 I found tedious was how big the final dungeon is.

>>715569836
Nintendo tried remaking it once but decided to make a new game fairly early on.

you are now aware of why Ocarina of Time has combat mechanics the way it does.

>>715583137
the semi random encounters were tedious as fuck. Standing still still spawned mobs. Walking in forest triggered random encounters on top. Getting hit on a road still triggered a battle with no enemy in it for crying out loud...
And until you got the healing spell and enough mana most of the time is spent grinding xp and going back to town to heal. Combat is really frustrating until you get the upward/downward thrust.

>>715583137
at least you get a checkpoint at the entrance which was surprising given how unforgiving the game is. Still didn't help if you had the misfortune of not having the thunder spell (spoiler: I didn't)

>>715569836
There's already a fan-remake that is genuinely fantastic.
I'd highly recommend it to anyone, whether they're trying Zelda 2 for the first time or going back for a replay.
https://hoverbat.itch.io/ziiaol

>>715583124
The only way to lose at CV2 was to quit playing. Death was an inconvenient loss of currency, but you were always put back exactly where you died. The hardest challenge in the game is finding where you need to go.

>>715583437
Instead of spending all your time grinding and backtracking for healing, you can just get hit less.

>>715583592
I thought you were talking about Zelda II. Ignore my reply, I am legally retarded.

>>715583649
That part was about Zelda 2.

>>715583137
The NES era is the only one where I'm not bothered by repetitive architecture. Modern devs have no excuse but NES devs fitting their game into less than a megabyte on a deadline had every excuse

>>715583649
Sorry, I thought you were talking about CV2 and I'm not that other guy. I'm retarded too.

>>715583621
i accept your concession

>>715569365 (OP)
I like the swordfighting. But the ballbusting difficulty makes it grindy, death mountain fucking sucks too

>>715583576
Ill give it a shot

>>715569836
why is it called just zelda 2? where did the legend go

>>715569365 (OP)
I AM ERROR

>>715583576
My mind was blown watchin Vinny play that. To me, that's what a remake should be. Not just a face lift for graphics, but the content added, the way they retooled some of the rooms, turned the fairy spell into the cuckoo spell, and on and on. I couldn't fucking believe that playthrough. The gold standard, the dev clearly understood what the game was about and leaned into it.

>>715583576
I really didn't like the ''community rooms'' or whatever. Felt super out of place.

>>715569365 (OP)
Play the jap version.
The localizers made the USA version ten times harder for no reason.
>>715581298
I love it, especially on a CRT with ntsc/composite.
>>715581941
Gen x here.
People loved C2 for its music and atmosphere. And it was a group effort trying to figure it out. Every day, people would arrive at school/work and swap tips with each other about what they had discovered in the previous night's play session.

All that shit is lost nowdays but it was absolutely amazing fun to play it when it first came out.

>>715581921
>Castlevania 2 is bad.
It's not. Not even close to being a bad game.
I recommend you try some actual bad games some time, it will give you a whole new perspective on things.
For bad NES games Go try Dragon's Lair, or Waynes World, or Conan.

Your opinion of castlevania 2 will instantly go up to at the very least a 6/10 or 7/10.

>>715588160
>Meat contaminated with Salmonella is 7/10 because feces exist.

>>715581921
>>715581941
I always interpreted Order of Ecclesia as kind of like a spiritual successor to Simon's Quest but actually good.

It would've been a good game if Link's sword was longer than a gnat's dick.

>>715569365 (OP)
i beat this game when i was 4 years old. been chasing that dragon for over 30 years

Took me too long to learn this kickass theme came from Zelda 2
https://youtu.be/-51ZvV6ISD4?si=ZU0GFxGp7LbbQZdD

>>715591536
Palaces as a whole were the redeeming part of the game. Battle music was good too but you got to hear it so many times it ended up being fucking grating.