To this day we still don't have a consensus on which stat is better.

CHA

>>715571626 (OP)
INT or FTH

In this particular case, Dex won

strength because most in most games dex doesn't increase the speed of anything and is just another incremental dmg stat

>Dex vs Str

>>715571626 (OP)
quality

>>715571839
Str/Dex vs Str/Con/Cha

>>715571626 (OP)
+50% str while two handing makes it competitive with dex on pure dex weapons and is better on everything else

>>715571626 (OP)
>consensus

Consensus is for cha fags. A person can be the only person in the world with an opinion and still be the only one that's right.

Luck.

You cannot reach a consensus without first establishing exactly what str and dex actually does.

>>715571626 (OP)
well it's DEX, natura- AIIIIIEEEEE

listen here, I'll give you the words of wisdom you sad fucks fighting over nothing
If a game, especially fucking dark souls/whatever souls game, let's you finish it completly by not using weapon or better - not leveling at all, fisting every boss with a naked retard in no hit runs, then all those stats and weapon become just preferences. Someone with preference for Str weapon will think str is better. Sam for <insert stat>, because if a game can be beaten without using any of it, then what's the point of discussing which is better, if it's just preference. You're not making yourself look better by being a fanatical retard about a stat. You're becoming just a retard, because someone over there invalidated your whole str vs dex fight by not using any of it

>>715571626 (OP)
I mean, Dexterity is just a hand while Strength is a fist AND an arm

>STR weapons require both END and VIT because they're heavy as shit
>DEX weapons are light and don't consume any stamina at all
STRbros....

>>715571626 (OP)
Strength is punching a guy in the gut.
Dexterity is dodging the punch and planting a knife in the guy's wide-open groin in return.

DEX wins.

>>715572026
This is seriously missing some Benny Hill music.

>>715571626 (OP)
>STR
Fatroll
>DEX
Proper dodges
It's not even a contest. Halved damage hardly matters when you can reliably survive twice as long. Makes studying boss choreo a breeze too.

I pick both!

COME AT ME!

>>715573026
Shit take, just because you can technically beat the game by doing 1 damage to a boss doesn't mean it's any way to play the game. Which weapons are the most fun and are the coolest are the only things that matter. Would be a different story if using your fists had different moves and was actually fun.

>>715573468
holy shit get some vit!!

>Elite Knight Armor.
>Longsword +14 / Claymore +14 (dunno what I'd do with my Slab)
>Crest Shield / Dragon Crest Shield
>Wolf's Ring.
>Cloranthy Ring.
Committing to one stat over the other was my biggest mistake my first time around.

>>715571626 (OP)
Whichever gives you access to the coolest sword. Unfortunately that tends to mean STR, so really DEX needs to up its game with cool looking weapons beyond "muh dagger" and "muh scimitar"
Ironically enough my favorite DS1 sword is DEX, fuck my life

>>715571626 (OP)
Who would win, 100 diverse faggots or 1 strong gorilla?

>>715574328
No, it's exactly, precise take every retard need, just like powerlevel faggotry when discussing dbz in duels where it doesn't matter or it wasn't simply states because things like fusions are devices always strnger than current opponent, not something with set power

One retard will say dex is better, but simply due to your preference, the better weapon can be actually worse than let's say, dex weapon that despite being "worse" is actually better due to prefered gaming style. Like retards can spam powerstance ultra greatswords is OP, and then someone tries it and fails because slow weapons are not his

and because you can beat bosses with the weapon with lowest performance in the game possible(fists) that means you can beat the game with every weapon and how easy/ahrd worse or better is simply down to your preference. Unless the weapon let's say is full magic damage and that certain enemy is completely immune to it

Strength in DS1
Strength in DS2
Dex in DS3
Skill (Dex) in BB
Strength in ER

Isn't that Dark Souls 1? Pretty clear winner in this case.

It depends. Do you wand to UNGA BUNGA or spaz out?

STR for fists
DEX for claws
It really is that simple

>>715571626 (OP)
And that's a good thing.

STR v DEX has always been a false dichotomy.
D&D has done irrevocable damage to gaming.

Dexterity is better at lower levels. Why? Because strength usually requires good armor which isn't affordable at low levels while dex can just get away with dodging more. Also strenght usually requires high endurance or whatever decides how much stamina you have since swinging dex weapons consumes fuck all stamina.
Strength requires more investment which makes it better at higher levels.

>>715571626 (OP)
There is only one.

>>715572987
Frenchmen used to look different in the past.

I always only level stats that feel realistically attainable to my character. this always ends up being FTH/DEX where I level stamina instead of health.

>>715578819
This looks like a joke but it goes on too long and I know Japan thinks this is kino.

>>715573468

>>715578982
These are called mercenaries.

>>715571626 (OP)
Strength duh who wants to be a sissy swordsman? Get a big weapon and wreck shit.

>>715579165
i agree, its 10 too many, wish i could put them in str

strengthlets kneel

>>715571626 (OP)

FAITH is meta in OHKO but it becomes useless because of the tumblebuff which makes it the worst stat dump in the game. VIT only improves HP. END is where you go stat dumping because poise is OP in both PVE and PVP, DEX because it's meta and INT because of curses. DS2 and DS3 improved this with split stats. STR improves frame data on strong weapons but is negligible compared to the benefits of DEX.

>>715571626 (OP)
In most games, dex is better because they don't program enemy flinches enough to favor strength weapons. Frame data in most games are out of control so its easier to get out of attack animations as soon as possible

Why not max spec everything?

>>715572026
> Taf at softcap

>>715573105
Counterpoint: I see loads of people screeching about "rollslop" "waiting for my turn to attack" and "one hit kills" yet my str character just walks up to bosses and beats them to death with a big stick while my heavy armor tanks blow after blow

>>715573325
>Halved damage hardly matters when you can reliably survive twice as long.
This is the same total survivability, it just takes longer.

>>715580789
I didn't know they made game dubs, I've only seen the movies

>>715571626 (OP)
Action economy and range are the two most important things in any game. This does not help strength.

In most games I think STR is more fun and interesting.

>>715571626 (OP)
You can use many of the same weapons with either.

>Stat doesn't change how the game plays

>DEX
>Generic katanas
>STR
>BRICK HAMMER
It insists upon itself

>>715571626 (OP)
Stack both and btfo INTcels

>>715572941
>Strength is how strong you are
>Dexterity is how dextrous you are
Sasuga zone-tan.

>>715573026
This is definitely something a dexfag would say

>>715571802
Both.

>>715571802
INT is probably better but FTH wi forever be more soulful and fun.
btw FTH + STR is the best build

>>715582871
is there a single game where you can spec into high DEX to be a fencing knight?

>>715571626 (OP)
Neither. Endurance.
Mostly because in 1 and 2 it's a better attacking stat than either sex or str for the first half of the game. Safely getting an extra swing or two > a few extra points in damage, and that's not even counting the other benefits.

Luck

>>715583878
based 300 iq gamer.

endurance is solid in elden ring as well, but you'll need stamina recovery gear to have it pay off

>>715574542
>vit
are you getting hit...?

Faith

>>715573095
Just dont wear armor

>>715571626 (OP)
For souls?
Strength. Slightly.
Strength is more versatile and lends itself to more playstyles, while Dex is somewhat more limited.
With Strength, you can two-hand to improve your stats, something Dex doesn't really benefit from.
With Strength, you can equip bigger shields, something Dex cannot be used for, that it offers nothing in exchange for.
With Dex, you are mostly limited to daggers, one handed swords, curved greatswords, spears, some halberds, bows.
Meanwhile for Strength, literally every weapon category except bows and I think Whips, has something you can use that's pretty good, including some that really, nobody but you can use, like Greathammers, which are often some of the best weapon types, period.
Two handing also gives Strength better synergy with casting builds, since you can two hand your weapon until it's time to actually cast, and use better weapons while doing so than Dex would usually let you get away with. Strength can do almost everything Dex can do, but Dex cannot do some things Strength can do, essentially, and two handing makes it a better stat to have partial investment in, over Dex which is very often a stat non-dex primary characters want to keep as low as possible to use one specific thing.

>>715573095
>STR weapons often require DEX to use
>DEX weapons can be two-handed if at least 50/75% of the required stat is reached
I don't feel so good, STRbros...

>>715573105
>Dexterity is dodging the punch
No, that's ADP, the stat you all hate

>>715571626 (OP)
In Dark Souls 1, yes we do, it's Dex
The best weapons in the game are Dex weapons (Great Scythe and Lifehunt Scythe)

>>715585757
You kill bosses faster if you get hit.

>>715583541
The funny thing is, his ending is actually the INT ending. You don't need any FTH at all, but you do need INT - Law of Regression needs 37 INT.

>>715587127
But first you gotta have faith in his divine calculus.

>>715574542
I know! I know!

>>715579165
Black Knight's Halberd + Pyromancy Spells = Prestigious Master Race!

You're a chumpy boy!

>>715586845
You're such a funny silly boy!

both are strong, none is better
there is also the question of which is more gay, where the answer is again, both are gay. and that's the reason why they fight so much over who is better.

>>715587901
ya just gotta have FAITHHHHHHHHhhhhhHHHhhhhhhh!

str wins because the best weapons in pvp were str
>b-b-but i don't care about pvp
1. pve is easy with anything
2. you were getting invaded whether you cared or not, little bitch boy

>>715587127
You can meet that requirement without any INT investment, just wear a bunch of int-boosting items and use the physick tear that boosts it even further

>>715586339
you get more cast speed with dex in a game with minimal spellcaster investment (pyro)

>>715573468
this way of playing das1 is boring, I've gotten sick of it. last run I did I intentionally put as little points in str/dex as possible, dumped vit/end, and wore the heaviest armor I could midroll in. It was great fun, feels good to play a game where armor actually does something.

>>715588482
How can you do this to me? I had an excuse to post that image where someone actually had only 10 Int and you call me a chumpy boy? How could you?

>>715571626 (OP)
INT

Technically, dexterity is a function of strength. As is constitution. Strength even plays a role in intelligence. This is because (from a physiological perspective) strength improves the central nervous system's capacity for energy. Increasing your strength is like upgrading your dinky little 20 GA, 12V body up to a 10 GA, 20V. The more literal electric power you have at your disposal is far and away the most important factor for performance across the board. It turns out that strength training is the only way to see any kind of significant gains in this capacity.

>>715586359
Pointing out that two handing increases the effectiveness of each point you have in STR is not a point against STR.

>>715571626 (OP)
In real life, STR is what makes you faster.

>>715592690
how many IQ point is gotten from 1kg of mussels?

>>715592690
High int low wis post.

>>715571626 (OP)
strength has the cost of endurance to carry heavy weapons, but has higher stagger

dexterity doesn't have the same carry weight cost, but doesn't have as much stagger

pretty simple

>>715583335
Too vague. Try again, and make it quantifiable.

>>715593336
thats not the point I was making, anonkun
but its probably on my poor wording. its that Str weapons need dex to use some str/quality weapons while dex only needs enough str to two-hand it. Dex cannot be cheaped out. so if you need 18STR/16DEX, then a str user will need to reach that 16DEX, while the dex user would only need 9STR or, depending on the game, 13 or 14STR

alone its not that big of a deal, but combining it with other factors shows the "bias"

>>715571626 (OP)
Depends on the underlying system. For Dark Souls specifically though, it's definitely dex, since the highest DPS weapons by far all scale with dex, and the much faster attack rate also applies bonus damage faster. Also, many of them in addition cause bleed.

>>715593605
>mussels
Muscles don't get you shit. I'm talkin' 'bout CNS.

>>715593707
>low wis
Explain.

>>715592690
>>715594201
So muscle control i.e. yoga/calisthenics would be the best use of your time? Or is it more related to power generation like sprinting/jumping etc.

>>715593843
Nigga that's not DS2/3 split stats in DS1 are irrelevant.

>>715594147
DEX only affects the frame date of DEX weapons. Negligible return on weapons with split stats

Is "what is the best stat" different from "what is the better stat if you are playing blind"?

>>715594201
I was shitposting before, but building a stronger/better-integrated CNS is a byproduct of lifting, no? Or do you just mean that hypertrophy is irrelevant?

>>715571626 (OP)
>Strength : 2
>Dexterity : 1
>Endurance: 3
>Charisma : 4
>Faith : 36
>Intelligence : 1
>Luck : 25

Oh yeah it is gaming time

>>715594617
Blind ? Anything since you'll pace yourself with any stat. When I played DS2 vanilla on the 360 I spent a solid 10 hours farming in the crypt because I felt lazy about learning the game. Hence the “PVE is meaningless” argument.

Luv me giant swords, DBS is still the most based sword to ever exist.

>>715571839
What game is dis, looks fun

>>715594510
Dex only affects casting speed in DS1.

>I'm sure to win because my speed is superior

>>715590164
The difference in cast speed is almost irrelevant.
It's not nothing, but it's not worth building for.

>>715595087
True, I forgot that DEX only affected Bleed build up and DEX weapon damage

>>715571626 (OP)
for me?
it was always 99 in all stats
999 in cheat engine if i was getting bored

>>715595362
DS1 simplified level formula on paper sounds great because you don't need stat spread. But for replays and pvp it makes the game feel like shit.

>>715571802
INT is better if you focus on it, where as FTH is better for hybrid builds IMO.

>>715571626 (OP)
>DS1
tied
>DS2
strength
>DS3
dex
>Sekiro
dex
>Elden Ring
strength
>Armored Core 6
strength in pve dex in pvp
>Lies of P
tied
>Real Life
dex

>>715571626 (OP)
Wrong.

>>715571626 (OP)
>dex doesn't make your aiming better
>agi doesn't make you move faster

>>715598804
dex makes you cast spells faster

>>715571626 (OP)
irl AGI dudes inject steroids because STR & DEX / AGI are related. Irl Quallity Build is the best build.

>>715571626 (OP)
str is easier because stunlocking
dex is just retarded

>>715599007
dex is better in like half of the souls games including in Demon's Souls. Same damage but quicker way to deal it also bleed which is OP.

>>715571839
seconding >>715595079
what game is it, looks kino

>>715571626 (OP)
If you're talking about Elden Ring strength is better.

>>715595396
It only affects Bleed in DaS2, the game where bleed is utterly useless in PvE because it does a 100 flat damage and debuffs stamina recovery speed for a while. 100 damage is less than a dagger’s light attack and stamina regen penalty is completly useless vs 99% of pve enemies, and extremely minor benifit vs the 1%.

>>715599923
>DaS2
>bleed is utterly useless
absolutely not

DEX is vastly easier but STR is more fun.

>>715572026
>this is the greatest game ever according to theiffags

Quality builds are king