Thread 715596069

was this really necessary?

Maaaybeee

he got off easy

>>715596069 (OP)
not really, but that's why it's an option. you can take your revenge if you want, but you don't have to

>>715596069 (OP)
>Heh, thanks for finding a super rare chip and killing an entire army of mutants, but I can't let you back in because some retards might not realise that there's mutants with chainguns in the world. Surly this will in no way back fire on me by exiling the guy who can wipe out an entire army by himself away from the vault citizens.
I'd do it too.

He was right to ban you but you're also right for shooting him for it

>>715596069 (OP)
Anyone who did this did not and never will understand the fundamental message of Fallout.

>>715596069 (OP)
>hey i know i sent you out to the wastes where who the fuck knows what happened to you but yeah you're gonna need to stay out there while the rest of us live in luxury in the vault while you get bummed by mutants bye :)
completely

>>715596069 (OP)
In the microsecond between his faggot speech I put a bullet between his eyes.

>>715597142
Then you’re a fool. You completely missed the point.

>>715596069 (OP)
>You see Ed. Ed’s dead.

>>715596069 (OP)
is his death always that gruesome?

>>715597242
Shouldn't have made me homeless! And I had stuff in there!!!

>>715597118
I dunno, if the point was that the overseer correctly identified that The Vault Dweller had the capability of putting into motion radical change for every place they visit, taking the choice to kill the overseer is just another extension of that.

>>715597118
Yeah shooting Jacoren might prove the one point he has in that
>the wasteland makes you dangerous
But why wouldn't you want somebody like that on your side? Could you imagine how retarded it would be for the Arroyo elder to turn away the Chosen One after he blew up an Oil Rig to save all their asses. The Vault Dweller went above and beyond for Vault 13 just to be backstabbed.

>>715596069 (OP)
Even if you don't kill him, the Vault collectively decides to execute him anyway.

>>715596069 (OP)
If he didn't want that shit to happen, he never should've come out to talk to me. Bitch earned it.

>>715596069 (OP)
Nobody calls me a murderous psychopath and lives.

>>715597357
Yeah, I recall in Fallout 1 that Vault 13 citizens were already having rebeilous impuse issues over being forced to stay in. You as the Vault Dweller can even correct this in the game. Having the overseer ban the one guy who could protect them from mutants was the straw that broke the camels back.

>>715597293
I remember him dying like that, but only on one of my playthroughs. Other times he just does the "fall over and then blood pool" animation. Other times you don't kill him at all and he just walks back through the door. Maybe it's got something to do with picking the Bloody Mess perk

>>715597585
>Maybe it's got something to do with picking the Bloody Mess perk
That's exactly it, Bloody Mess makes the Vault Dweller shoot Jacoren, on top of it already be Bloody Mess, so the death animation is extra brutal.

>>715597118
The Overseer fired the first metaphorical shot in this case and continued the cycle of violence so its pretty fitting even if it doesn't conform to canon.

>>715596069 (OP)
>everyone in the vault sees this
>hell yeah let's follow this guy to make a new civilization on the surface
>let's also not teach anyone anything so we regress into tribals in like two generations
I think the overseer was right to want to keep these retards in the vault

>>715598025
Still a better life than just waiting to expire in the Vault. At somepoint you'll reach the Shady Sands into NCR or Vault City grind.

>>715597118
>Anyone who did this did not and never will understand the fundamental message of Fallout.
The only way to do this is on your own hotkey abuse. Otherwise, it is only triggered by low carma or Bloody Mess trait.

>>715596069 (OP)
Extreme gore is damn cool.

>>715598146
when gore is this little isometric blob of 3d pixels, yes. When is hyperrealistic 3d shit like MK thats cringe af

>>715597293
Yes. He has no other death animation. He technically does IIRC, in the overseer's post, but it is technically a different sprite and it is even more gruesome.

I’m with the overseer on this one. Two generations and everyone forgot everything.

>>715598303
I'm not sure if the entirety of Vault 13 founded Arroyo. I took it as the Vault Dweller and like 2 friends he knew integrated into an existing tribe. The rest of them likely became apart of Shady Sands.

>>715597486
>In for a penny, in for a pound

>>715598025
Or Fallout 2 is just schlock

>>715596069 (OP)
It was necessary. He had to give the vault people the freedom to settle in his new village of primitivism, drug abuse, and total ignorance.

I have no time for this fsggotry

Truth is that his justifications were bullshit. He was worried that they'd make VD the new overseer, since he was an actual hero who had done far more for the community.

Also, the overseer seemed like one of those cult leader types who jealously hoard the women in their harems. He didn't want to share.

>>715598459
They threw it together in a year. Considering that it's a masterpiece. If you ignore that it launched broken.

>>715598905
Yeah, the real reasons were likely just power tripping ones. He wanted the Vault 13 inhabitants to fall in line under his safety and control
Fallout 3 really did rip this off word for word didn't they?

>>715599031
I feel like the issues Fallout 2 has that isn't just the jokes, stem from Interplay. Its why theres a random temple for new players to get through and why there's lazy BoS bunkers just to integrate them in anyway. If the F2 devs had it there way there might not be any BoS or Temple of Trials and this would be the cover.

>>715596069 (OP)
The telling thing is he gave his speech next to the exposed skeleton of the last sap he sent out. Can't even be fucked to bury the corpse

>>715599407
Rip Ed. Died from low AGL to rats.

>>715596069 (OP)
I mean if you don’t do it the Vault Dweller lynch him. Honestly I wonder what the hell he was expecting
>overseer you’re back, where is the vault dweller
>oh I told him that despite being a hero he had to leave due to being a destabilizing force, can’t have anyone thinking of leaving
>so let me get this straight, you just told the guy who saved the vault, twice as well as the entire world outside the vault to leave because he might inspire people to leave?
>yup that’s the long and short of it
>…
>….
>…..
>and so we sentence you overseer jacoren to be hanged by the neck until dead
>hey pat are you sure you guys want to leave? i’m sure he’ll make his way back soon

>>715599031
No it fucking isn't. It's literally >>>/r/eddit incarnate. They replaced everything they had going for them in Fallout 1 with a bunch of cheap pop culture references.

>>715599406
>still whining about the Temple of Trials

I beat that tutorial level as a 14-year-old without much effort and it never occurred to me that it could be an issue for people. As far as I'm concerned, anyone complaining about the Temple is a verified mongol.

>>715599585
Ah, were you in this thread? >>715527776

>>715597118
>fundamental message of Fallout.
Might makes right?

>>715599691
No, I'm not terminally online like you are.

>>715599657
I'm not talking about the actual gameplay of it so much as why its there in the first place? Who built it, why are there ants everywhere, why is there plastique? Its very lazily added and purely serves to be the tutorial level.

>>715599753
You sure sound like it. Not the first time I've heard these buzzwords spewed.

>>715596069 (OP)
>left vault
>had a radical super awesome adventure
>got rich
>took a bunch of drugs
>still has a bunch of drugs on him
He was right not to let the MC back into the Vault.

>>715596069 (OP)
>Hey I'm kicking you out of the vault. I'm completely alone btw and defenseless and without any guard and no one can see us talking or do anything I'm also an old fart who can't even run and you just went through a lawless hell hole of a place that's called the surface so your moral bearings might change compared to when you stayed inside the comfy vault
>don't hurt me okay silly vault dweller-kun te hee <3
What did he expect to happen

>>715596069 (OP)
On one hand, the Overseer was right to exile the Vault Dweller, because he would inspire the other residents of Vault 13 to risk their lives and stability of Vault 13 for knowledge and adventure of the world above.
On the other hand, the Vault Dweller was right to kill the Overseer, to send a message to the other residents, that even if they choose to shut off the insanity of the world outside, that doesn't mean that it will last forever, and it's better to do something about it now than to live in ignorance.
We saw the Vault Dweller was ultimately right. He and others founded Arroyo, while going through troubles of their own, eventually survived and formed a great society afterward.

>>715599940
>Oh no, one of the boys got addicted to mentats and now's he's outdoing my ego.

>>715596069 (OP)
I shot him with the gatling gun and it didn't even let him crawl away

>>715597118
>the fundamental message of Fallout.
cool power armor, portable nuclear launcher and big laser weapons?

>>715600008
>We saw the Vault Dweller was ultimately right. He and others founded Arroyo, while going through troubles of their own, eventually survived and formed a great society afterward.
And whats funny is that he was right because he saw Shady Sands do the same thing from Vault 15. Who in 2161 even knew they would be the entire backbone of modern California in the Fallout Universe

>>715597118
Why the fuck is everyone responding to this like it's a decision? The game does it for you if you have bloody mess trait or whatever. None of you play video games apparently.

Average age of this thread more than 45+

>>715600140
You choose Bloody Mess or to have Low Karma anon.

>>715600170
You choose to be a little bitch.

>>715597585
wiki says bloody mess affects it but I never get it and still see the animation.
most likely cause the violence is cranked to max.

>>715599764
>Who built it
The first generation of the tribe, who had the education to do so.

>why are there ants everywhere
Why are there moths in my house at night? Insects get into buildings all the time.

>why is there plastique?
The first generation put it there as part of the trial.

>>715597486
>They saw him as a monster
>They treated him like a monster
>So he became one

>>715600301
iirc, Even max death animation wont cause the Vault Dweller to kill Jacoren. You'd have to have Bloody Mess or Low Karma or to just hit the A key and shoot manually.
>>715600320
Then why did the second generation not move into an entire building like the Temple all just to save it for Trials? I dont think even Aztecs did that. Arroyo would make more sense if the Temple just wasn't there and the Elder gave you the Pipboy, flask, and clothes.

>>715600427
>just hit the A key and shoot manually.
Yup that's what I usually do.

>>715596069 (OP)
>everyone knows you left the Vault and saved our lives but if you stay somehow you will cause more people even though you've already shown you can both survive and even thrive in the wastes
I feel like letting you stay would let everyone know that the Vault is better than the wastes.

>>715600631
>I feel like letting you stay would let everyone know that the Vault is better than the wastes.
Basically.
>Why do you stay here VD?
>Fuck if I'm going to see another mutie try and burst minigun me to death.

>>715598905
Exactly. He was just upset about the idea of losing his control over everyone. He wasn't actually concerned about anyone's wellbeing but his own and he got what was coming to him.