Why does AMD dominate the gaming CPU space now?

Why dont mods remove and permaban off-topic posting niggers?

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>>715611063 (OP)
because intel is just shit, theres nothing more to it

>>715611119
>video game hardware
>off topic

?????

>>715611232
>nigger logic
fuck off

>>>/g/

>>715611273
OP specifically asked about CPUs in relation to video games. How the fuck is that off topic?

>>715611273
>>nigger logic
Oxymoron, moron

They were when I got into building PCs as well.

>>715611436
Faggots like the person you replied aren't actually angry, they just want to ruin threads. So arguing them just helps them shit up the thread further.

>>715611436
>>715611546

then if i were make a thread about a nigger throwing his baby against a brick wall after he lost a game of madden then that would also be on-topic by your standards, nigger?

>>715611063 (OP)
AMD was getting smaller nodes from TSMC while intel was stuck on their old big ones.
smaller nodes means less heat, which means you can move things around/fit more cores and try crazy shit like 96MB of l3 cache.

Intel on the other hand cant keep up manufacturing wise, instead decides to juice the fuck out of the few cores they have and make them run really fast and really hot to keep up, this kinda worked but now they're out of ideas and the current Intel gen is worse in a lot of way to 14th gen.

cache is important for games, any time a CPU has to change/lookup stuff it has to load it into the cache, this is "slow" compared to other shit the CPU does, bigger cache means it has to do this less often which means faster games.
works especially well in games with lots of units moving around, or anything ECS based because CPU can really efficiently use this massive cache. less important for raw compute like maths or whatever else you're doing.

>>715611607
If it was about the psychological impact video games have on people then yes, we've had plenty of threads about it on /v/

>lmao just glue more memory
>+40% boost in a lot of games
That is fundamentally what is happening, though the actual nuance is quite ingenious.

>>715611684
alright lets discuss the withdrawal symptoms black people exhibit after getting their switch taken away by their teacher

Intel jews just self destruct
simple as

>>715611679
>try crazy shit like 96MB of l3 cache.

How much better is 128MB of L3?

>>715611786
If you want. Make your own thread for that first

>>715611679
Intels node is on par with tsmc. Node size isn't the reason.

>>715611895
i have a feeling that if i do, it will be removed because the mods standards and the opposite of yours

When the 12 core 10800x3d (or whatever the fuck they call it) releases that will be the signal for me to retire my trust AM4 system. I was a day one consoomer and bah gawd have I gotten some value out of this. 1700 -> 3900x -> 5800x3d has been one hell of a performance jump all using the same mobo, same cooler and same ram (though I did replace my ram recently because I got dat upgrade itch).

>>715611891
The answer is it depends on a lot of factors. It is even possible (and can be observed in existing v cache chips) it creates a performance regression, though those scenarios are niche.

>>715611970
>5800x3d

Does it still hold up?

>>715611891
more cache = more better.
if you have 10,000 enemies (position, speed, health, strength, defence etc), and only 100 fit in 96mb cache then it has to fetch 100 times.
but if you had 128MB of cache then you could fit 133 of those enemies and do ~75 fetches instead.

>>715612189
>but if you had 128MB of cache then you could fit 133 of those enemies and do ~75 fetches instead.

What games utilize the most out of the L3 cache?

>>715612159
Given I play at 4k with a 7900xtx yes it does. I do run into some very niche scenarios where it does (for example far cry 3/4 really need to be limited to 4 threads to work optimally and when doing so my gpu only gets like 80% usage). For 99% of cases it works just fine.

>>715612276
Games that are built with something like this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entity_component_system
or any games that need to do a lot operations to a lot of different things.
famously Factorio gets a pretty big uplift because it can work on more of the thousands of things in the simulation at the same time.
but it entirely depends on how the developers wrote their game.

but in general it's all games, then for certain games it's a huge performance bonus.

>>715612276
Assetto corsa sees extreme boosts from the cache, as does dawntrail. IIRC MSFS does as well.

>>715611063 (OP)
>now

>>715611954
>Node size isn't the reason
What is it then mr genius

>>715612670
They were using an old design that was blasted for being unsafe, if you remember spectre and other shit.
4 core limit, you won't need more ever.
Probably more reasons I don't remember anymore.

is it possible for intel to unfuck themselves or is it over?

>>715612670
nah he's technically correct, it's not node "size" it's TSMC is winning on density while Intel is winning on raw performance.
but TSMC is also now winning on performance in certain cases.

>>715612960
It's possible for them to unfuck themselves, but it's over.

>>715611063 (OP)
Intel fucked up once too many.

>>715612960
it's probably over, they'd need a breakthrough or some brand new architecture or something because they cant compete on the current stuff.

>>715611786
Fuckken lawl! Never get tired of seeing this! This is on par with the Supernigger man who literally fucking jumped over the judge's bench and attacked that female judge. Absolutely love it. Also, that teacher is a crazy kike and was hardcore out for blood after this and demanded that the nigg should go to jail for life, for this.

>>715613010
>>715613219
how's nvidia doing?

>>715611063 (OP)
10nm killed intel
i wish i still had the sceencap but a few years ago some anon explained exacly what and how did intel fucked themselves over

>>715612960
It's a bit of a gambit but competitive new architecture, competitive foundries and competitive GPUs could see Intel reinvigorated. I think their foundries business especially with the nodes being open to anyone will be their first step towards recovery.

>>715611786
lol i thought that was a girl at first
fags deserve it

>>715613420
Windows on ARM is basically stillborn because qualcomm are fuckups so if Nvidia want to step into the ring for mere mortals it has one hell of an uphill battle.

>>715613991
can they and will they actually do that though? i thought they had a lot of pajeets and are mass-firing people recently.

>>715614310
They were headed that way and then their last
CEO was fired, basically Intel with angstrom was using ASML's latest lithography tech and TSMC weren't, so with Intel's expertise they really had a chance of actually becoming competitive again, but.... it wouldn't surprise me if like everyone else they were jeetmaxing, it's a very short term strategy that ensures no future growth.
Also a part of AMD's competitiveness has been chiplets, the whole idea was smart, errors while fabricating chips create chips that are either cut down or worthless, split chips into many smaller parts and merge them on the die to increase yields, this has been a very effective part of AMD's CPU strategy, but with Intel they created their own system called tiles, AMD CPUs are linked via the infinity fabric which links all chips to each other, Intel chips are linked in sequence, if one cpu needs to access cache two tiles away it has to go through an intermediary tile, it's an elegant solution that just isn't as effective as AMD's, but maybe it has other advantages.

>>715613420
gpu situation is basically a duopoly with AMD and Nvidia price fixing together. Intel's stuff for comparable performance is 30-50% cheaper than AMD/Nvidia to give you an idea how much the price fixing is fucking over customers.

Won't change anything in the market though because intel's gpu's have huge driver issues and don't compete in the high end. It's going to be years before they get any of that resolved and actually threaten the AMD/Nvidia duopoly and that's if they're competent and good and Intel has shown no sign of being competent and good.

Because they've made better cpus for over 20 years.

>>715611063 (OP)
They make the best gaming CPUs.

lol,
intel + nvidia is the only way to go. amd is made of failure.

>>715616981
What is life like in 2010?

>>715616981
>>715617914
Why do AMD GPUs get so much hate

>>715617956
Decade old memes and general fanboyism.

>>715617956
Too expensive in india as a rule.

>>715611063 (OP)
for me it was circumstantial. every new gen of CPU I was purchasing was directly in the middle of a giant intel CPU meltdown, like the SPECTRE backdoor shit and the oxidization stuff. the problem is, if those things pop up so often then there's a good chance the hardware is going to be shit in ways we don't ever discover and even the "good" gens are probably fucking up in some way. AMD has just been safer to go with as a CPU for the past 20 years.

>>715613420
If you are hoping that Nvidia will go through the same process as Intel is going through right now, that's just wishful thinking. Won't happen. Nvidia are jews but they stay ahead of the tech curve and they always put in the work to keep it that way. Their R&D budget alone dwars the entire market capitalization of some other tech companies. Unless Nvidia spend a whole decade doing nothing, they'll still be in the lead.

>>715612276
>What games utilize the most out of the L3 cache?
Factorio

>>715611063 (OP)
3D Cache is a meaningful improvement in technology that makes games run better
They're priced very competitively
IIRC they have less heat/power draw than Intel but I have not kept up with the very latest Intel CPUs, for a long time it was just LMAO MORE WATTS!!!

>>715612276
Total War games get a big boost out of it. Any game that is CPU intensive does. I mean, even the modern Capcom games run better with them.

>>715611063 (OP)
no one cares about gaming now. it's all AI

>>715612960
AMD managed to unfuck themselves from the continuous assrape they were getting for a long time before Ryzen and I dare say AMD's CPUs back then were a lot worse compared to Intel's than Intel's are compared to AMD right now. It should be possible for Intel to come back if they make some actually good products and very importantly also price them competitively like AMD did with Ryzen at first.

Still I think this hill Intel seems to be dying on, making CPUs with crap little cores for "efficiency" as if they're meant to go into smartphones is a really bad design for traditional PCs I think. I can only hope that they come to their senses.

>>715614279
Windows on ARM is stillborn because Windows is a user-hostile hellscape that nobody likes or desires anymore, going on a downward spiral and getting worse with every change MS makes. People are still begrudgingly using Windows for the singular reason that is compatibility (both hardware & software), but nobody WANTS to use Windows. If you want to add ARM into the mix, they go together like oil and water. If you run Windows on ARM, you give up the compatibility. But the compatibility is the ONLY reason to use Windows, so if Windows on ARM has no compatibility then there is no reason at all to use it. This is exclusively MS' fault because they turned Windows into a repugnant turd bucket rather than a quality OS that people would actually want to use.

There are other problems too, like the fact that ARM doesn't really have a PC ecosystem. There are some crappy tablets and laptops to buy but they're all glued together, unupgradable shite. I can't really go out to buy some ARM mobo and then drop some ARM CPU in a socket, at best you can maybe buy some boards with soldered CPUs but overall ARM just isn't ready and in no shape to really enter the PC market. Beyond that it doesn't really seem like anyone is interested in bringing ARM to the PC market either.

>>715611063 (OP)
Intel was faking performance with massive power draw and shortcuts that lead to Spectre and Meltdown vulnerabilities.

RISC-V domination soon anons.

>>715611063 (OP)
Intel really fell off, no wonder they are laying so many people off lately.

>>715611063 (OP)
Intel hired a lot of pajeets in 2010s and they wrecked the company

>>715619519
>>715619340
Will PS6 have 128MB L3?

>>715621916
Probably not.

>>715621916
Probably not, consolefags are happy with low FPS and they don't play CPU-intensive games so it makes no sense to drive a console's price up by adding high-end CPU features to the design.

I have Ryzen 7 5700x3d and RX6600 for how long can these specs serve me ? (rx was bought used from some crypto farmer)

>>715611063 (OP)
V-cache
That's literally the only reason. Big boost on framerates and stability because of it but for some reason Intel won't copy them and instead focus on adding more and more cores. Intel CPU's still have way better single threaded performance, which should be great for games but not as great as V-cache.

If you play games and stream on the same PC at the same time and also do content creation, like video editing, Intel would be the better choice though.

>>715622107
PS6 will have V-cache, it's almost become a standard on Laptop Cpu, so making Cpu's without it could actually be more costly. Hard data shows over 70% of PS5 players play all games in performance mode, so framerate has become important, which is why Witcher 4 are hyping up high fidelity visuals at 60fps.

Also when it comes to PC gaming like 90% of people on Steam play games on PC's that are about the same as a PS4, most people don't even have PC's as powerful as a PS5.

>>715625772
V cache is in no way in the majority of chips AMD sells and the packaging inherently adds cost to the final product. Given how razor thin margins are on console parts even at scale and yields are of the upmost importance it is highly unlikely it shall be used in the ps6.

>>715611063 (OP)
>manufacture a good product at a reasonable price
>selling good
gee i wonder why

>>715625772
>it's almost become a standard on Laptop Cpu
lol what
AMD only has a few models with it, the vast majority of their mobile lineup has no such thing.

>>715625772
3D V-Cache is not used on any APUs, not even the top of the line Strix Halo.
Complex packaging will never be used on commodity parts.

Pretty simple actually
I don't need E-cores and they are a waste of money

>>715611063 (OP)
Because they're better?

>>715611063 (OP)
AMD capitalized on and perfected chiplet designs, chip stacking, vertically stacked L3 Cache and high-speed interconnect technologies for 15 years, while Intel spent their time perfecting their diversity program.

>>715611063 (OP)
Core Ultra 9 285K user here. I will NEVER give up on Team Blue. FUCK the Reds.