you just can't

>>715619871 (OP)
I can't, it's too useful.

>>715619898
>i can-ACK

>>715620327
No good platformer has a double jump

>>715619871 (OP)
double jump

>>715619898
nigger

>>715620327
zero skill dogshit

>>715619871 (OP)
jumping

>>715619871 (OP)
Double Jump To Air Dash.

Roll

>>715619871 (OP)
the original x trilogy has the best movement in any platformer ever
4 is good, too, but it's not on the same level

>>715620327
>>715620952
Double jumps are useful, but dashes are cooler. It's fun to speed up and try to retain your momentum from a dash, and it can lead to cool movement tech like dash jumping in Mega Man X/Zero. That's not mentioning the i-frames you get from a dash, air dashes, and shit like the shinespark from Super Metroid or the crystal dash from Hollow Knight. Double jumps are just a supplementary mechanic to grounded jumps, and the most they can do is give you a bit more height off a jump or extend your air time.

Are you a “double tap” or “R” kind of player

Wall kicks.
Backslides.

Dodge offset

>>715624173
Dash spamming is impractical with command dash.

>>715624173
For me, it's the L button.
I like double tapping, but eventually you'll get to inconvenient situations where the L button will be superior. Also, dashing wall jumps are impossible with double tapping.

>>715619871 (OP)
ENTER
>>715624173
NTA but R is unanimously considered the better option, and for good reason. Pressing 1 button is easier than pressing the same button twice to perform the same action.

The dash sound effect in x4 is so good, bros. The one in x8 is kinda meh, I mean it serves it's purpose. But the x4 sfx is imprinted into my brain, I can instantly imagine it.

>>715619871 (OP)
Is it though? Like when you get a dash most of the game is spent holding the dash button down because faster is better. What makes having a dash better then just moving faster.

Now if the game has actual momentum dashing gets complicated. But in the x games momentum doesn't exist aside from armored armadillo's stage.

>>715625256
Momentum does exist in the X games? A lot of the jumps and platforming takes the dash into account. My biggest peeve though is having to hold the attack button to charge the X shot, I think the x5 improvement patch had an option to auto charge it for you, it was really good. My index finger starts hurting in long play-sessions

>>715623995
>and the most they can do is give you a bit more height off a jump or extend your air time.
No, hold on. Mid air jumps are rarely pushed. But you usually get one 'fall off under an obstacle and jump up' or 'reverse direction mid air to climb vertically' scenario.

>>715619871 (OP)
How to dash in RL?

>>715620327
/thread

There's something about unlocking double jump that makes me very happy, it's pretty much quintessential "core videogame" to me.

>>715625568
No, momentum doesnt, when you dash, the player movement speed is increased, but you can always turn around in mid air retaining that speed. The only time momentum is actually applied is the carts in armored armadillo's stage, where you can combine the speed of the cart into your jump.

>>715625981
These both fall under the categories I mentioned, and are more so level design elements than inherent techniques unique to the double jump.
>fall off under an obstacle and jump up
Extends your air time.
>reverse direction mid air to climb vertically
Gives you a bit more height off a jump.

>>715626323
You need the boots upgrade
Go fight a penguin or something, it should be in your way.

>>715627543
Kek.

>>715620327
Double jump is fine and all but have you ever tried space jump?

>>715619871 (OP)
>>715623995
I started with the zero series so the dashing in the Xs felt really stiff

>>715626331
I see, I misunderstood you.
>>715628370
I can't play Zero series at all, The 1st one has boring OST and the combat feels really bad.
>>715619871 (OP)
Long Jump or Double Jump? You can only pick one. Also you can long jump and dash, but you can't DJ and dash

>>715624173
How does double-tap even work off of walls, never tried it

>>715627371
These kind of techniques and level design gimmicks depend on a double jump.

You cant just seperate mevement tech from level design one depends on the other.

>>715619871 (OP)
Criminally underrated.

>>715629373
>the combat feels really bad
I thought the Zero series' movement and combat were incredibly fluid and fun, and I started with MMX. The only issue is the GBA's small screen size, which makes it difficult to see what's ahead of you. I urge you to give it another shot. MMZ is a fairly short game all things considered, unless you go for S rank or try to collect and evolve all the cyber elves.

>>715628304
Space jump sucks ass to control in any metroid game

>>715624629
It's in Rivals but it feels like it doesn't do anything. Sliding smash attacks and tilts out of a dash aren't hard to do, so I don't really get what they're for.

>>715629373
>The 1st one has boring OST and the combat feels really bad.
that's a strange opinion to have, maybe you just haven't played enough of it?
the zero games are the most polished version of X's movement and combat I feel

>>715630902
You're confusing strange and stupid again anon. It's a stupid opinion to have, stupid.

>>715619871 (OP)

>>715619871 (OP)
Wall kick
Air dash

The best game mechanic is the plasma laser from Raiden 2.

>>715630902
The first one has that shitty xp system. Biggest mistake the franchise made.

>>715619871 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lEDDMCstDw

>>715619871 (OP)
Dash Jumps are more fun than double jumps, and air dashes are overrated.

>>715624173
A button (that's the rightmost face button), like god intended

>>715626331
Momentum does exist in X, but you're right that dashing doesn't use it. i think there are some ice slopes in one of the X games that also affect your momentum iirc.

>>715619871 (OP)
Brave/Default

>>715635271
tying boss weapons to score attack faggotry was a bigger mistake.

>>715619871 (OP)

>>715619871 (OP)
really though, how were you supposed to know to start with Chill Penguin?

>>715637958
Nah, it covers up the fact the boss weapons are actually hot garbage.

>>715619871 (OP)

>>715641284
Air dash is a shit mechanic that makes good games worse. although X3's vertical Air dash was pure kino i'll give you that.

>>715619871 (OP)
I like OG megaman slide better

>>715638393
Trial and error. X2 fixed that by giving you the dash from the get-go, fortunately.