When will the trend of subversion end?

Brother shut the fuck up.

>>715624662 (OP)
For me its the last one.

>>715624662 (OP)
friendly orks and evil churches are both kino

>>715624662 (OP)
Pollyanna can get it. Right in the bumhole.

>>715624662 (OP)
When will the complaint about Modern Fantasy end? It's been 25 years.

>>715624662 (OP)
posted it again award

>>715625078
When modern fantasy is good. 25 years and still waiting.

>>715625078
What was the last time fantasy was actually good?

>succubus disliking physical contact
Impossible, she would die

>>715624858
Despite it all, whitemane is so good she's underrated. She should have her own spinoff game.

>>715624798
Tranny detected

>>715625173
total warhammer 2

>>715625173
This year.

>>715625547
tranny

>>715624662 (OP)
Name one game that matches this.

>>715625197
>implying these trannies care
drop and give me a barv, soldier

>>715624662 (OP)
I get the point that there isn't a whole lot of compelling worldbuilding to be done about a species that just wants to kill and eat people, but the problem with modern writers is instead of trying to come up with a believable dimensional species that has its own alien psychology they simply just make the species into humans.
Humans, for one, are pretty confrontational on a species scale. They need constant adversity in some form, be it a holy crusade or a videogame where they go on a holy crusade. You could have some species of demons whose fundamental psychology makes them constantly want to conquer, dominate, and subjugate others, leading to various tribes of warmongers and slavers, and you could sprinkle a in a few weirder demons who integrated into some regular society and channel this desire to be ultra-competetive and above everyone else into becoming top of the field scholars, athletes, or reach leadership positions. Few people trust them because they know these species of demons are control freak assholes, but the cunts pay their taxes and, make research breakthroughs, and autistically organize complex infrastructures no normal human could.

>>715624858
sex

Name me a game that has this
please

>>715624662 (OP)
>thing becomes popular
>competition increases for market share
>becomes harder to stand out among the other offerings on the market
>new products have to become brighter, flashier, more subversive, more shocking, more over the top, more controversial to get attention
>this only gets worse as customers become bored of what is already on the market

it has happened to every single fucking creative entertainment field that panders to the mass market

>>715626258
can't think of any. games that tend to have things like this don't tend to have ugly characters like the orc and demon. fantasy life comes to mind

>>715626258
Unironically Dragon Quest.

>>715626330
I see your logic, but this is simply untrue, thats the logic that troons used to justify their troonification. To the exent that people fatigue of something, you dont have to subvert it to gain market share...allow me to give some examples:

War games used to be ww2 exclusively, when market saturation peaked, the solution given by straight white men was not "clown costumes in ww2", but "now lets do iraq", as fatigue set in on mid-east conflicts, some continued on or began remakes, while others went into the future with drone warfare, or further in the past with ww1 settings.

Zombies were once all the rage, and all at once they were no longer the rage, even the king of zombie games, RE, tried to reinvent itself first by becoming absurd (re6, though it started in 5), but after backlash, decided to drop the "hordes of mindless dead" and go for a whole family of nemesis, and it paid off.

Would an irl succubus be awesome?

subverting subversion is in itself a form of subversion

>>715629838
Women irl are already succubi

>>715629838
>demonic entity that steals your soul
No.

>>715625659
Ultima 6 (1990)

>>715624662 (OP)
Why does this pic make people seethe so hard

>>715626258
Planscape torment has a reformed chaste succubus and a devil who Is forced to be good and kind.

>>715629859
the point is more, when subversion becomes formulaic, repetitive, and predictable; it's no longer subverting and just becomes a new form of the thing.
than's modern western rainbow-fantasy

>>715624662 (OP)
Subversion will continue until the Antichrist abolishes the Church.

>>715629838
they'd make excellent assassins. presuming you could discipline one enough to not try to fuck everyone on the way to her target

>>715629838
Look up Latin o stems.

>>715624662 (OP)
at this point subversion is such a norm that not doing it feels like a form of subversion

>>715624662 (OP)
leftists are mentally ill

>>715626258
D&D mostly
People make a lot of characters like that

>>715625197
you can dislike something and still depend on it for survival
but that's too nuanced for modern fantaslop

>>715625659
World of Warcraft

>>715629838
No, she would suck.

>>715624662 (OP)
When we kill everyone who doesn't have a degree in STEM.

>Everyone who doesn't have a college degree?
Dead.
>Everyone who has a college degree in the "social sciences?"
Dead
>Everyone who has a degree in anything business related?
Dead
>Everyone who has over a million in assets?
Dead
>Everyone who follows any sort of religion (this list is non-exhaustive) - Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduishm, Sikhism, Atheism?
Dead.

There. I just made the world a better place.

>>715626258
World of Warcraft

>>715633815
What a terrible and unfunny picture.

>>715634489
Bruh, the wojak and the pepe were the deathknell for the creative culture on the chinz.

I am planning on adding in demons to a game I’m making but while they're all bad, it’s more of a mix between petty dicks whose lives took a bad turn after betraying god and other demons who are pure evil, does that sound okay?

>>715635018
I guess. It's basic premise, so what matters here is execution. Having a demon actually become good isn't really that much of a big deal either.

>>715625173
The illiad

>>715635018
Demons represent the sins amplified by a 100 and angels represent virtues amplified by a 100
Everything else is headcannon wankfests

>>715624662 (OP)
Chill orks is based tho

>>715634489

>>715634558
>Bruh, the wojak and the pepe were the deathknell for the creative culture on the chinz.
Finally, for the first time, I meet someone on here who shares my opinion on this. It kills me every time I see someone claims that the poopoo peepee era of memes was the peak of 4chan.

>>715624662 (OP)
>write backstory of character on the right
>play the character on the left 90% of the time
it's literally that simple

>>715636117
>for the first time
I thought it was more common than that. Well, for what's worth the first iterations of pepe and wojak were more creative, but eventually it turned up like that.

>>715635018
It will hinge entirely on how convincingly you explain why anyone would knowingly betray a god that can turn them into a demon (and, additionally, why anyone would regret being turned into a demon, if demons are so powerful as to be a major force in the world without instantly being smote by god).

>>715624662 (OP)
"Nerdy succubus that dislikes intimate contact but still needs sperm" is way more interesting than generic succubus.

>>715636742
Kino.

>>715636742
doesn't matter if she likes it or not. she needs that essence

>>715625173
Lord of the rings 25 years ago
Nothing has top it movie wise
A different kind of "fantasy" was attempted with Dark Crystal, it was fabulous, enchanting and different, and Netflix pulled the plug.
Something close to good fantasy but still miles behind Dark Crystal would be Breath of the Wild.
Under Breath of the Wild, 50 miles deep, is the first two harry potter movies.
And everything "fantasy" under that is magma core deep trash.
This past 25 years haven't been kinds to the good fantasy genre.

>>715636742
You've never ever in your life ever seen a succubus depiction

>>715630683
isnt the 'chaste' succubus technically enthralled to a man?

imagine having such big dick energy you make all the rest of the dicks taste bad to a succubus

>>715638453
No she isn't

>>715635018
I think the way to go is making them, above all, selfish, fickle, and easily bored.
like greek gods
above all else they just want to follow their whims, and they have little to no capacity for empathy, especially with mortals.
they're not necessarily "evil," but many of them are perfectly alright with doing things which have evil ends.
one of them wants to reroute a river for no real reason? he'll go ahead and do it, never minding that it could ruin the lives of all the mortals who depend upon it.
one of them gets a liking for a certain mortal? sure, I'll use my powers to help you out, even if you want to become a warlord and engage in ceaseless slaughter.
but they, when a "favored person" suddenly starts getting cocky, that's when he's most likely to be abandoned.
of course, different ones have different priorities, and the powers of a "demon" CAN result in what we'd consider "good." one of them grows a fondness for a particular mortal who just wants to heal the sick and feed orphans? well, looks like that's a "good" "god"
you know?

>>715625173
It was good?

>>715625649
slaanesh wasn't in 2

>>715636117
>for the first time
welcome to your second day of 4chan, it only gets worse from here newfriend

>>715624662 (OP)
Recently I'm noticing a trend of double subversion where yes, the church is ruthless, but also justified, while the "nice" demons and succubus and so on are an exception and their reputation as a species is actually completely deserved, if maybe outdated.

>>715640929
Drizzt is from the 80s anon

>>715624662 (OP)
Both sides at the same time is the best option.

>>715626258
Hearthstone

>>715638840
they were right desu

>>715625173
Its been ages. If I was being generous as terrible as the plot and characters are maybe Elden Ring. Realistically it hasnt been good since the Jackson movies.

>>715640929
>double subversion
So... realistic?

>>715638280
I recently played a h-game in which a succubus mindcontrols you to mollest and fuck other girls, just so you collect "lust" and then she sucks your dick to harvest it.

>>715626330
A subversion would be evil orcs, and a good religion. We haven't had basically anything even RPG adjacent with that in the past 25 years.

>>715630683
Fhjull Forked-Tongue is not good, and he certainly isn't kind. He got conned into signing a contract to do good deeds, and he hates every second of it. He got brutalized, mutalated, and banished. He's hiding in the interplaner middle of nowhere in a effort to not be forced to help anyone.

The demons in planescape, and many of the races in all of D&D before 6e nu D&D crap couldn't go against their alignment. Telling a Modron to be unlawful is like telling a fish to walk on land.